tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post3888431365677396310..comments2024-03-19T03:55:23.248-05:00Comments on Althouse: Have you heard of the high school club called The League of Aspiring Gentlemen?Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55458217759344637172013-06-11T17:59:53.845-05:002013-06-11T17:59:53.845-05:00It's a local club, for local people. We canno...It's a local club, for local people. We cannot understand their customs, their local ways.Belialhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00492030719082936888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58041925905432969382013-06-11T17:04:25.365-05:002013-06-11T17:04:25.365-05:00Mode of dress is not the defining characteristic o...Mode of dress is not the defining characteristic of a gentleman.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17424384180201600935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-88679581383358436932013-06-11T15:21:56.047-05:002013-06-11T15:21:56.047-05:00An alternative definition I have heard is: "A...An alternative definition I have heard is: "A gentleman is a man who can play the accordion ... but doesn't."Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15741966714510339124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20878383542963030972013-06-11T15:20:12.028-05:002013-06-11T15:20:12.028-05:00One's effort to dress neatly and appropriate t...One's effort to dress neatly and appropriate to the occasion says much about one's dedication to doing things right and well. It takes almost no effort to throw on a Radiohead t-shirt, cargo shorts and flip-flops. It takes time and effort to select a clean shirt, match a tie, jacket and slacks, polish shoes, to shave and comb one's hair. Good grooming and dress says, your invitation to dinner means a lot to me; your wedding is a Big Deal for me too; the passing of your loved one is an occasion to commemorate with all the quiet dignity I can muster.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15741966714510339124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17221208586110250162013-06-11T10:14:47.506-05:002013-06-11T10:14:47.506-05:00My wife's definition of a gentleman, which I t...My wife's definition of a gentleman, which I think she got from Emily Post, is "A gentleman is someone who never gives offense...unintentionally."Mark Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01994430001543710190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53487516303211556402013-06-11T09:00:26.906-05:002013-06-11T09:00:26.906-05:00Odd but I domt trust those who dress sloppily as i...Odd but I domt trust those who dress sloppily as if they are meeting me as an afterthought on their way to golf or the hardware store. The intenional dressing down displays a lack of discipline that puts me off. Look at pictures of ball parks in the 40s and 50s when nearly every male fan had on a suit and tie and contrast that with any public event today. Appalling. Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08258681007386089907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-88101182600968162682013-06-11T08:59:45.126-05:002013-06-11T08:59:45.126-05:00Odd but I domt trust those who dress sloppily as i...Odd but I domt trust those who dress sloppily as if they are meeting me as an afterthought on their way to golf or the hardware store. The intenional dressing down displays a lack of discipline that puts me off. Look at pictures of ball parks in the 40s and 50s when nearly every male fan had on a suit and tie and contrast that with any public event today. Appalling. Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08258681007386089907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-10158143982637050812013-06-11T08:31:25.585-05:002013-06-11T08:31:25.585-05:00Drill Sgt: I wanted to like the Peshawar Lancers, ...Drill Sgt: I wanted to like <i>the Peshawar Lancers</i>, but it serially violated the prime directive of alternate-history fiction: Only Change One Thing. That's a SM Sterling fault in general, but usually he gives it a book or two before reverting to form.<br /><br />I dunno, I don't fully trust anyone in a suit. It whispers "salesweasel". Trying to sell me on something I don't need...Mitch H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01630047498946143646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-76647586306838322062013-06-11T07:15:33.607-05:002013-06-11T07:15:33.607-05:00For a good definition of a "gentleman" r...For a good definition of a "gentleman" read Robert Ruarks "The Old Man and The Boy"Rustyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938263272237104128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-78471070603909580782013-06-11T07:09:41.413-05:002013-06-11T07:09:41.413-05:00Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson could not be re...Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson could not be reached for comment... Being as how he was in the Broward County Jail for thirty days, courtesy of Judge Emily Post.Clydehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16736461252925227611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50590053493073024382013-06-11T06:37:27.319-05:002013-06-11T06:37:27.319-05:00Has everyone else noticed how young men these days...Has everyone else noticed how young men these days, don't comb their hair? It's been going on for quite a while.AllenShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08848966772462502893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38590219195776494412013-06-11T06:32:01.128-05:002013-06-11T06:32:01.128-05:00rcocean,
I'm rereading a book I enjoy a lot c...rcocean,<br /><br />I'm rereading a book I enjoy a lot called "The Peshawar Lancers", a dystopian story of the Victorian age after a comet strike, by S.M Stirling. Set in India, there is a scene in a Dirigible station (some steam punk flavor) where a group of terrorists attack a group of academics. The Gentlewomen narrator describes the bewilderment on the pistol wielding terrorists as they are swamped by men equipped with sword canes, fists, umbrellas, and it one case, a spittoon. <br /><br />She says: "What else could men of the martial classes do, when they saw a crowd attacked by assassins?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-40459424696731168592013-06-11T06:08:45.097-05:002013-06-11T06:08:45.097-05:00rcocean said...
A 19th century gentlemen would cut...<i>rcocean said...<br />A 19th century gentlemen would cut your heart out if you insulted him.<br /><br />But he would do it with class.<br /></i><br /><br />I'm thinking sword cane...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-88575928433051626592013-06-11T05:42:48.822-05:002013-06-11T05:42:48.822-05:00bagoh20 said...
You're still talking about pe...bagoh20 said...<br /><br /><i><b>You're still talking about people who put clothes before character. That's Barack Obama and Teddy Kennedy.</b><br /><br />Yes, and people like them are proof of what I'm saying. You can't say that how people dress is important and then admit that many terrible people dress well, probably with the same regularity as good people who do. I</i><br /><br />I never said many.<br /><br />You did.<br /><br />There will always be superficial people.<br /><br />Even among guys who dress like you.edutcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15033144261502435196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67029048096841463392013-06-11T05:15:20.362-05:002013-06-11T05:15:20.362-05:00Being a gentleman isn't about dressing up, it&...Being a gentleman isn't about dressing up, it's about treating yourself and others with respect. It does have something to do with clothes to the extent that the way we dress sends out positive or negative signals, but in the end it is the behaviour that counts, not the suit. <br /><br />Most modern dress codes are so ostentatiously ugly that the only conceivable message is that the wearer despises society (e.g. gang-style clothing) or that he/she despises himself/herself (e.g. tats, piercings and other forms of self-mutilation), or both. Wearing a suit could also be ungentlemanly if it drew attention to disparities in wealth and status between the wearer and those around him. A true genleman can interact with ordinary people and never make them feel uncomfortable or out of place.<br /><br />rcocean said:<br /><br />A 19th century gentlemen would cut your heart out if you insulted him. But he would do it with class.<br /><br />Here's my favorite definition: A gentleman is someone who never gives offence unintentionally. <br /><br />The "unintentionally" is the key, as a gentleman is quite capable of giving offense on purpose.Harry Limehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18171847331550199769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41931336752935272442013-06-11T01:30:24.785-05:002013-06-11T01:30:24.785-05:00Among other things, nice clothes might be:
-A ho...Among other things, nice clothes might be: <br /><br />-A hobby.<br /><br />-A giving-in to the expectations of an accepted social role. <br /><br />-A mark of social class, subculture, or other social signal.<br /><br />- A mode of artistic expression.<br /><br />- An intimate association between the self and things of personal or social value, for whatever effect.<br /><br />I don't know why anyone would criticize those things, at least in the abstract.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80077992204854213302013-06-11T01:00:08.120-05:002013-06-11T01:00:08.120-05:00I'm torn with regards to this. On the one hand...I'm torn with regards to this. On the one hand, I'm in the camp that would prefer to see our young people dressed up, rather than in "gangsta" style...but there's a whole big middle (jeans and T-shirts) that's being ignored here, and, as others have noted, dressing up while possessing poor character just makes one, well, an empty suit.<br /><br />But on the other hand, I love that they meet in the jazz band room (and that their school has a room specifically for that class!) and listen to Miles Davis. <br /><br />(And while Miles may have been the epitome of cool, he was evidently not always a gentleman, especially with regard to his wives/girlfriends.)Kevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01433235586096305061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67665594669360989512013-06-11T00:41:52.526-05:002013-06-11T00:41:52.526-05:00It's all about class. The ones who are willing...It's all about class. The ones who are willing to learn it will be rewarded greatly.traditionalguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706120413005530014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-43791603381109212252013-06-11T00:30:37.925-05:002013-06-11T00:30:37.925-05:00bagoh20 said...
Who really wants their daughter da...bagoh20 said...<br />Who really wants their daughter dating the best dressed man in town. She may like him, but you know in your heart that you would mostly feel the need to warn her of something, wouldn't you? What would that warning be?<br /><br />Er, okay, I'll take a shot. Is the warning: Don't marry that kind and well-to-do lawyer/police-officer/politician, small-business owner/doctor, because he is the best dressed man in town, and a proper lady will never be seen with the best dressed man in town. Because...because...oh, I get it. Because trusting your wardrobe selection to a fashion-savvy (and, therefore, presumably gay) clothing salesman necessarily means that the well-dressed lad has, uh, become gay himself?<br /><br />No, that can't be it. Alright, I'm stumped...?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68722537225309143182013-06-11T00:00:35.413-05:002013-06-11T00:00:35.413-05:00"An impeccably dressed guy or woman makes me ..."<i>An impeccably dressed guy or woman makes me imagine getting the short end of the deal if I come between them and their self-image and what they think they may deserve being the elite individual they are.</i>"<br /><br />There's always a lady in any church that is perfectly dressed and made up without a hair out of place. I always wonder what she's hiding.<br /><br />OTOH, there's the slut walk thing.<br /><br />I distrust a guy that seems too smooth, you're right.<br /><br />But I also wouldn't hire one of those fellows with his jeans down below his butt.Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36794156759965389472013-06-10T23:55:36.995-05:002013-06-10T23:55:36.995-05:00"Actually, this probably is the sort of thing..."<i>Actually, this probably is the sort of thing the level-playing-field types hate, but it's probably going to be a rewarding experience for them.</i>"<br /><br />I would think that it would be the type of thing that would help to level those playing fields.<br /><br />I mean... look. I'm not at all ashamed of my background and upbringing and I don't value the trappings of upper-classness, but there have definitely been times in my life when I felt culturally uncomfortable and out of place. Not that my manners aren't just fine as they are but I can see the value of being comfortable in slightly more formal social settings, no matter how wonderful and authentic the blue jeans, BBQ and beer socializing is. A sit down fancy dinner isn't morally superior to a potluck but they aren't the same thing.<br /><br />Part of what makes playing fields UN-level is how UN-comfortable you are with suit-and-tie formality.Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7365555654023938382013-06-10T22:53:35.523-05:002013-06-10T22:53:35.523-05:00Who really wants their daughter dating the best dr...Who really wants their daughter dating the best dressed man in town. She may like him, but you know in your heart that you would mostly feel the need to warn her of something, wouldn't you? What would that warning be?bagoh20https://www.blogger.com/profile/10915174575358413637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45728802580745802202013-06-10T22:53:22.044-05:002013-06-10T22:53:22.044-05:00BAck when I graduated HS in 1973, my particular gr...BAck when I graduated HS in 1973, my particular group of friends would, upom being introduced to a girl for the first time, would kiss the back of their hand. And would show up on a first date with a single rose. Some of the young ladies were baffled by it, but in the end, they all liked it.<br /><br />The rules for what constitutes civilized bahavior may change over time, but there are and should be rules. For example, prior to teh 1960's, men always wore a hat in public. I'm happy that one went away. But even the poorest of people got dressed in their Sunday best for services. The first time I went to mass in San Diego and a guy in the pew behind me had on shorts and a Primo Beer t-shirt, well, I kept my mouth shut. At least he was in church.<br /><br />Clothes say a lot. Can we all remember the recent phenonema of slut-walking? A woman dresses like one, well, some men will treat her like one...<br /><br />Persoanlly, I prefer that look over burqas. Any day of the week, including Sunday.Gospacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04570281939230746682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53697579220353014492013-06-10T22:34:03.385-05:002013-06-10T22:34:03.385-05:00My son and his friends had a "gentlemen's...My son and his friends had a "gentlemen's sport's league" at Middleton High School last year--they played Cricket and rugby and billiards and I forget what else. I don't think that learning etiquette or specific attire was on their agenda, but I don't really know. They had a number of foreign exchange students involved in the league and I think it was a great cultural experience too--I think one of the students was trying to start something like in his own country when he returned home. carriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18161943772504435936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7357378418346696642013-06-10T22:33:58.023-05:002013-06-10T22:33:58.023-05:00My son and his friends had a "gentlemen's...My son and his friends had a "gentlemen's sport's league" at Middleton High School last year--they played Cricket and rugby and billiards and I forget what else. I don't think that learning etiquette or specific attire was on their agenda, but I don't really know. They had a number of foreign exchange students involved in the league and I think it was a great cultural experience too--I think one of the students was trying to start something like in his own country when he returned home. carriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18161943772504435936noreply@blogger.com