tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post3797998819668930171..comments2024-03-28T05:57:30.673-05:00Comments on Althouse: The Guantanamo suicides: acts of asymmetric warfare or expressions of despair?Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81443763636810032442011-04-26T18:34:26.689-05:002011-04-26T18:34:26.689-05:00"Given that some of the people we *have* rele...<i>"Given that some of the people we *have* released went right back to the fight, I'm unwilling to take the risk of releasing any of the people we were less sure of."</i><br /><br /><i>Who? How many? 200? 100? 5O? 5?</i><br /><br />According to the Obama administration, 81 out of 600, with an additional 69 suspected. The <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/04/24/world/middleeast/took-up-arms-graphic.html" rel="nofollow">New York Times</a> has independently confirmed 42 of them so far. The list includes suicide bomber Abdallah Saleh Ali al-Ajmi and Yemeni al Qaeda leader Sa'eed al-Shihri.<br /><br /><i>All we have are assertions by the government</i><br /><br />That's incorrect.<br /><br /><i>How do we know that, of those released prisoners who may actually have turned to violence upon their release, they had not previously been peaceful, and were radicalised by their treatment?</i><br /><br />That's not a rational explanation. The issue is also moot; regardless of the cause of their radicalism, releasing radicals is a dumb idea.<br /><br />I realize it doesn't matter to you, because when a "radicalized" Muslim detonates his suicide bomb and blows up a bunch of Muslim civilians or American soldiers you just smugly add the dead to the "America's fault" column of your scorecard. But it matters to the rest of us. :)Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60011073973442391592011-04-26T06:36:27.498-05:002011-04-26T06:36:27.498-05:00"Given that some of the people we *have* rele...<i>"Given that some of the people we *have* released went right back to the fight, I'm unwilling to take the risk of releasing any of the people we were less sure of."</i><br /><br />Who? How many? 200? 100? 5O? 5?<br /><br />All we have are assertions by the government, who have already shown themselves as eager liars in support of their agenda. How do we know that, of those released prisoners who may actually have turned to violence upon their release, they had not previously been peaceful, and were radicalised by their treatment? If YOU were kidnapped and held and abused for years in prison by a foreign power, wouldn't you find it hard NOT to want to strike back at them if you had a chance and were released to freedom?Robert Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06951286299515983901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51537485870092052982011-04-26T06:15:30.517-05:002011-04-26T06:15:30.517-05:00@Robert Cook
"I'm someone who believes i...@Robert Cook<br /><br />"I'm someone who believes in that America that truly could be exceptional,..."<br /><br />Please cite for us your model country, the model that we really should strive for.<br /><br />Again, self-flagellation did not get the US to the forefront of many technological advances that benefit the entire world.<br /><br />If your larger point is illegal detention, then call it that, not a blanket criticism of those that choose to have a more positive attitude towards their country.<br /><br />Frankly I couldn't care less if all the Gitmo detainees were let go today, for I believe they will find their way into oblivion all on their own. Where do you live, Robert? Your neighborhood could be a really good release point for these misunderstood world citizens. You okay with that???<br /><br />The dim view you choose to take in many of your posts places you pretty firmly with the elitists and guilty rich that seek to ruin what IS good about this country.Toad Trendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03113877205525601966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86652991310819666802011-04-26T01:40:25.323-05:002011-04-26T01:40:25.323-05:00Fudd loves the way Hezbollah fights, hiding in the...Fudd loves the way Hezbollah fights, hiding in the women and children. He's chowing down on that Hezzie dick, hoping to get it up the ass some day. Or at least that's what he fantasizes about jacking off in his flophouse room.Gary Rosenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00338791760274457388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16287335160681455892011-04-25T23:28:40.667-05:002011-04-25T23:28:40.667-05:00"The Guantanamo suicides"
Don't you..."The Guantanamo suicides"<br /><br />Don't you mean, "The 72 Virgin suicides"?veni vidi vicihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14720172060048711733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49284129231029303182011-04-25T22:48:58.954-05:002011-04-25T22:48:58.954-05:00How do you know the prisoners who killed themselve...<i>How do you know the prisoners who killed themselves ever killed anyone or committed acts of violence of any kind</i><br /><br />It's a guess. We're guessing why they killed themselves.<br /><br />Given that some of the people we *have* released went right back to the fight, I'm unwilling to take the risk of releasing any of the people we were less sure of.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85508772150152075062011-04-25T21:47:06.124-05:002011-04-25T21:47:06.124-05:00"'How do you know the prisoners who kille...<i><b>"'How do you know the prisoners who killed themselves ever killed anyone or committed acts of violence of any kind?'</b><br /><br />"How do you know they didn't?"</i><br /><br />I don't.Robert Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06951286299515983901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-3328646564580989792011-04-25T21:44:32.388-05:002011-04-25T21:44:32.388-05:00"Spoken like a true apologist for terrorist s...<i>"Spoken like a true apologist for terrorist scum. Are you a lawyer or just wish you could be so you could defend what you seem to be sure are just misunderstood 'political prisoners'?"</i><br /><br />I'm someone who believes in that America that truly could be exceptional, a country that truly gives due process of law to the accused, and doesn't simply take the word of the authorities that bad guys are bad guys simply they're accused, and who doesn't believe that accused bad guys who haven't been charged, haven't been tried, haven't been proved to be guilty of anything should be held in prison without hope of release, or tortured to extract confessions.<br /><br />All those who bray about "American exceptionalism" are, to the extent they applaud the maltreatment we have meted out and continue to mete out to these prisoners are traitors to and haters of America. I don't know if they're hypocrites or simply deluded or ignorant, but it doesn't really matter, as the end result is still evil done by and in the name of "America."Robert Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06951286299515983901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9776024673712988992011-04-25T21:11:26.412-05:002011-04-25T21:11:26.412-05:00A silly never in the military female attempt at di...<i>A silly never in the military female attempt at distinguishing combatants from non-combatants. </i><br /><br />Why is it that you have to make an informed point, Cedarford, by showing one of the very many biases that you have?vbspurshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00992013640447117624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41443275793249352422011-04-25T21:07:32.456-05:002011-04-25T21:07:32.456-05:00Cedarford, your little comment directed at Carol s...Cedarford, your little comment directed at Carol seems uninformed about uniforms. This is an issue much in dispute over the last seventy years.<br /><br />Anyway, the <i>NYT</i> article seems pretty good to me. Just the news this time. We should be debating these things.Bob Ellisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10446972838620138676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-61000556459142670622011-04-25T20:38:50.176-05:002011-04-25T20:38:50.176-05:00Julius wrote: Suicide is a noble way to die.
Some...Julius wrote: <i>Suicide is a noble way to die.</i><br /><br />Sometimes. Care to comment on this noble and redemptive <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-S33882,_Adolf_Hitler_retouched.jpg" rel="nofollow">suicide?</a>Quaestorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688608372863540573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85382063462942765952011-04-25T20:31:15.514-05:002011-04-25T20:31:15.514-05:00Carole Herman - "You want to call them "...Carole Herman - "You want to call them "combatants?" They don't wear uniforms. (Unless you want to count them by their turbans.)"<br /><br />A silly never in the military female attempt at distinguishing combatants from non-combatants. <br /><br />My mail truck driver wears a uniform. She is not a combatant.<br /><br />However, Jihadis throughout their history do not wear uniforms. Nor did most native american warriors, mst Confederate soldiers. Nor partisans or Tamil Tiger enemy combatants. There is no "uniform" for the Hezbollah soldiers that match up well man for man against the Israelis.<br /><br />No enemy combatants sent in on deep penetration missions as scouts, spies, saboteurs, or as terrorist fear sowing teams wears a uniform.Cedarfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602418702398818596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41120802566144684612011-04-25T18:54:14.130-05:002011-04-25T18:54:14.130-05:00Hollowed out Koran...check. 10' of 1/2" ...Hollowed out Koran...check. 10' of 1/2" line...check. USPS Priority Mail Flat Rate Box...check.Curious Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14440726941494085334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86283497776529519292011-04-25T18:45:56.520-05:002011-04-25T18:45:56.520-05:00@Julius
"Suicide is a noble way to die."...@Julius<br /><br />"Suicide is a noble way to die."<br /><br />Please, show us the way, oh great one. Set the example for nobility, why don't you?<br /><br />You are an idiot.Toad Trendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03113877205525601966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80556113077386757842011-04-25T18:43:52.317-05:002011-04-25T18:43:52.317-05:00@Robert Cook
"How do you know the prisoners ...@Robert Cook<br /><br />"How do you know the prisoners who killed themselves ever killed anyone or committed acts of violence of any kind?"<br /><br />How do you know they didn't?<br /><br />"For our military officials to characterize prisoner suicides as "acts of asymmetric warfare" is equivalent..."<br /><br />Further proof that PC horseshit has done its damage in the State Dept. and the Pentagon.<br /><br />"Whatever the truth may be, it is certainly different for each prisoner, and remains to be proved."<br /><br />Spoken like a true apologist for terrorist scum. Are you a lawyer or just wish you could be so you could defend what you seem to be sure are just misunderstood 'political prisoners'?Toad Trendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03113877205525601966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44687432180552023842011-04-25T17:10:20.451-05:002011-04-25T17:10:20.451-05:00"I do agree with Mr Cook that the prisoners s...<i>"I do agree with Mr Cook that the prisoners should get their day in a court--"</i><br /><br />I also agree, but if it weren't for the likes of Mr. Cook, they would have had that day a long time ago.Original Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714345479248980398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77814935563725808392011-04-25T17:00:17.078-05:002011-04-25T17:00:17.078-05:00GITMO Suicides....
Terrorists doing the job that ...GITMO Suicides....<br /><br />Terrorists doing the job that Americans won't do.<br /><br />I likey.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7696989840072086822011-04-25T16:52:34.147-05:002011-04-25T16:52:34.147-05:00I do agree with Mr Cook that the prisoners should ...I do agree with Mr Cook that the prisoners should get their day in a court--now from what I can tell it will be a military tribunal, which in my estimation, will suffice for a day in court.Roger J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12639676792043324100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45357477848529317642011-04-25T16:44:58.040-05:002011-04-25T16:44:58.040-05:00"These people renounced their human rights wh...<i>"These people renounced their human rights when they signed up with Al Qaeda."</i><br /><br />How do you know they're members of Al Qaeda?<br /><br /><i>"They kill indiscriminately, including other Muslims."</i><br /><br />How do you know they've killed anyone?<br /><br /><i>"The Bill of Rights doesn't apply to the entire world."</i><br /><br />It limits what American authorities may do to any person incarcerated by them. We have yet to charge or try these prisoners, and aside from unproven assertions by the government, we have no knowledge whether they ever committed acts of war--however liberally defined--against the United States, so to call them "illegal combatants" or even to dignify them as "prisoners of war" is to assert that which has not been demonstrated as true.<br /><br />Whatever the truth may be, it is certainly different for each prisoner, and remains to be proved.Robert Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06951286299515983901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-18556640350007148142011-04-25T16:40:13.850-05:002011-04-25T16:40:13.850-05:00@Robert Cook: What public statement?@Robert Cook: What <i>public</i> statement?Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480329783749187372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86653355617776251352011-04-25T16:37:26.479-05:002011-04-25T16:37:26.479-05:00For our military officials to characterize prisone...For our military officials to characterize prisoner suicides as "acts of asymmetric warfare" is equivalent to a bully who is pounding a victim to say, "Why do you keep hitting my fist with your face?"<br /><br />In other words, absurd on its face, and a shameful denial of who is actually the victim and who the victimizer. Of course, the military is notoriously dishonest in its public statements on just about any matter, so no one with a brain would take this particularly disgraceful lie seriously.Robert Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06951286299515983901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-28570935062726968062011-04-25T16:32:37.950-05:002011-04-25T16:32:37.950-05:00"I would go with guilt and despair for killin...<i>"I would go with guilt and despair for killing innocent people which is condemned in Koran, the book of the religion of peace."</i><br /><br />How do you know the prisoners who killed themselves ever killed anyone or committed acts of violence of any kind?Robert Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06951286299515983901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60789533644379382652011-04-25T16:26:47.491-05:002011-04-25T16:26:47.491-05:00Next question: Do I care?Next question: Do I care?Known Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15029003649395214104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7924017321190361412011-04-25T16:06:06.033-05:002011-04-25T16:06:06.033-05:00I guess the Tiger Beat story fell into the "t...I guess the Tiger Beat story fell into the "too good to fact check" category."<br /><br />As for whether suicide at Gitmo is part of their the terrorists' war plan or a <i>cri de coeur</i> doesn't concern me. These people renounced their human rights when they signed up with Al Qaeda. They kill indiscriminately, including other Muslims. The Bill of Rights doesn't apply to the entire world.ASThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14591247136037620408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6252738546520079082011-04-25T16:04:39.199-05:002011-04-25T16:04:39.199-05:00Our so-called leaders are committing national fina...Our so-called leaders are committing national financial suicide and the New York Times says nothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com