tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post3554199751150646731..comments2024-03-28T17:25:15.969-05:00Comments on Althouse: "Thousands of people descended on the Wisconsin state Capitol for a second day of powerful protests Wednesday..."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger170125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35514266786656120212011-02-17T08:12:50.358-06:002011-02-17T08:12:50.358-06:00So, tell me, nina, what should we do about the sta...So, tell me, nina, what should we do about the state deficit? Should we tax corporations more? Do you know that a large corporation where I live decided last year to move out of the country? Should we have an extra tax for workers whose corporations might give a yearly bonus? Raise property taxes for everyone in the state? What should we do, nina?AllenShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08848966772462502893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69615932636807153982011-02-17T06:57:25.179-06:002011-02-17T06:57:25.179-06:00We don't have the money. We don't have eno...<i>We don't have the money. We don't have enough money for their salaries and their pensions.</i><br /><br />For an (ostensibly) "educated" "elite," they seem to be having an inordinate amount of difficulty grasping this excruciatingly simple baseline concept.kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11274416342492953621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-62926045987918418672011-02-17T05:58:19.271-06:002011-02-17T05:58:19.271-06:00nina said...
I'm not sure I understand why we...nina said... <br /><i>I'm not sure I understand why we would want to lower salaries of teachers and public employees based on some idea that others in the private sector have suffered more.</i><br /><br />We don't have the money. We don't have enough money for their salaries and their pensions. It's really not much more than that.AllenShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08848966772462502893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2981184998403724162011-02-16T22:43:56.614-06:002011-02-16T22:43:56.614-06:00"I love it when the youth at our esteemed ins...<i>"I love it when the youth at our esteemed institutions of higher learning are so smart they protest cutting the pay to public employees which would lower their tuition costs, but at the same time protest against higher tuition costs.</i><br /><br />From time to time I read the school paper at the local (private) institution of the higher learning.<br /><br />One year the students agitated for paying the food service workers a "living wage."<br /><br />Having won that battle, the next year they wrote opinion pieces questioning why food was so much cheaper at local eateries than via their meal plans.former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-40917057502711761142011-02-16T21:57:57.020-06:002011-02-16T21:57:57.020-06:00My boyfriend has a Ph.D. in engineering. He took p...My boyfriend has a Ph.D. in engineering. He took pride in his teaching and was awarded best TA multiple semesters. He can't find a job as an engineer and isn't "qualified" to be a teacher in Wisconsin because he doesn't have a B.A. in education. My sister has her master's in science education and her teaching certificate and has been a long-term sub but never hired as a full-time permanent teacher. There are a lot of experienced, capable people out there who would be glad to step in and take some of these jobs from union tools who walk out of their classrooms.wordsmith2https://www.blogger.com/profile/06780994615335737059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85673555373564259912011-02-16T21:50:20.817-06:002011-02-16T21:50:20.817-06:00I do know about my own back yard -- the university...<em>I do know about my own back yard -- the university -- and we know here that faculty are severely less well compensated than in private well ranked schools and also quite lower in pay scales as compared to other public universities, and as compared to the Big Ten schools.</em><br /><br />So, are they stupid? In most industries, when people find out that the competition is giving better pay, they get a job with the competition. Remember, if you are actually (as opposed to theoretically) underpaid, you are free to take a higher paying job.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17424384180201600935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75728107802759390722011-02-16T20:59:18.174-06:002011-02-16T20:59:18.174-06:00"a second day of powerful protests"
Doe...<i>"a second day of powerful protests"</i><br /><br />Does anyone remember the AP ever talking like this about a Tea Party protest? I would say the tone is edging toward reverential. The rest of the article reinforces that impression. It's a press release for the Democrats practically.<br /><br /><i>"Republican lawmakers met in secret Wednesday."</i> How about met privately? Isn't that more accurate?<br /><br /><i>"There were some signs that support for the plan...may be waning.."</i><br /><br />You can practically see the "Please, oh please, oh please" running through the writer's mind when he penned that sentence.<br /><br />The AP is a tool. And I don't mean a tool of good journalism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65117735157466095592011-02-16T20:52:06.890-06:002011-02-16T20:52:06.890-06:00your complaint is with Dubya, not the unions
And ...<i>your complaint is with Dubya, not the unions</i><br /><br />And Ted Kennedy, RIP.<br /><br />The great evil and the great virtue of NCLB was that it forced a standardized set of evaluations upon schools, allowing comparison and criticism. Unfortunately, knowing which schools are rotten doesn't actually help make them better.<br /><br />NCLB aside,unions have managed to muck up education quite substantially on their own, thank you very much. <br /><br />A great example is the seniority system that prevents teachers from switching jobs between school districts and between states. Switch jobs (say because another district needs a science teacher and you are a science teacher) and you lose your seniority. Instead, teachers stay put. Sclerosis results.<br /><br />Anyone who has children in a public school system knows the feeling of hoping particular teachers retire before your kid reaches their grade. That has nothing to do with NCLB.<br /><br />And it has nothing to do with the bigger issue -- a political movement that funds candidates whose job it is to vote them money of the public treasury.Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480329783749187372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20743598134991105272011-02-16T20:31:49.616-06:002011-02-16T20:31:49.616-06:00The public now knows many states have been playing...<i>The public now knows many states have been playing games with pension costs by deferring<br /><br /></i>Many states != Wisconsin.MadisonManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01212179466758420208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47970578160536070112011-02-16T20:06:05.425-06:002011-02-16T20:06:05.425-06:00Don't REPUBLICAN legislators understand that n...Don't REPUBLICAN legislators understand that none of those 17,000 union member will vote for them IN ANY CASE.F4GIBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12519321991096213331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69906314525013200142011-02-16T20:01:28.930-06:002011-02-16T20:01:28.930-06:00I hope their protest efforts fail.
I think you...<i> I hope their protest efforts fail.</i><br /><br />I think you'll get your wish.kjbehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02205930548533839170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60696779706050278532011-02-16T19:59:24.993-06:002011-02-16T19:59:24.993-06:00Not sure why the Governor has to be involved beyon...<i>Not sure why the Governor has to be involved beyond controlling the purse strings.</i><br /><br />Me either.kjbehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02205930548533839170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45277200486990555692011-02-16T19:30:41.911-06:002011-02-16T19:30:41.911-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.888https://www.blogger.com/profile/09852426183686801677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80591401743530592342011-02-16T19:26:24.466-06:002011-02-16T19:26:24.466-06:00Those of you blaming the 'union' mentality...Those of you blaming the 'union' mentality that requires teachers to have a degree in education and methods courses are blaming the wrong individual.<br /><br />Most states allowed individuals with a BA in Math or Science to teach in their field and giving them a temporary teaching license and two years to earn certification.<br /><br />NCLB (you remember... Bush's baby) changed all of that. Since 2005, teachers have been required to be highly qualified in their content area AND certified in their content area. Please recall that the unions were not big fans of NCLB and still are not.<br /><br />This means, for those of you bemoaning how stupid it is to have classes in how to teach elementary school, that elementary teachers actually have to know not only the content that their students will learn (well, duh!) but also the best practices for teaching that content, as well as child development, how to modify assignments, content and assessments for those with unique abilities or needs, how to teach ELL students... your complaint is with Dubya, not the unions.Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14568601798297965180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-62615645378219455022011-02-16T18:36:01.283-06:002011-02-16T18:36:01.283-06:00Modest cuts and secret ballots!
That's not ra...Modest cuts and secret ballots! <br />That's not radical - that's called a small return to sanity.Joe Biden, America's Putinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05802605309593881825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90460832879664582932011-02-16T18:12:55.719-06:002011-02-16T18:12:55.719-06:00And so it begins. The lefties are well practiced a...<i>And so it begins. The lefties are well practiced and organized.<br /><br />But the conservatives are armed.</i><br /><br />Okay?<br /><br />What the hell does this even mean? Are you going to go all <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_Unitarian_Universalist_church_shooting" rel="nofollow">Jim Adkisson</a> on the commies?Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04867655875547749047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24852714249041529612011-02-16T18:02:51.341-06:002011-02-16T18:02:51.341-06:00"I love it when the youth at our esteemed ins...<i>"I love it when the youth at our esteemed institutions of higher learning are so smart they protest cutting the pay to public employees which would lower their tuition costs, but at the same time protest against higher tuition costs.<br /><br />Filed under, 'Never hire a University of Wisconsin-Madison student.'"</i><br /><br /><a rel="nofollow">http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2011/02/university-of-wisconsin-madison.html</a>LordSomberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08483452672640797537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14349204173750121992011-02-16T17:57:33.941-06:002011-02-16T17:57:33.941-06:00...Fish sticks, soon to be made with real sticks!...Fish sticks, soon to be made with real sticks!KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20136659857424862722011-02-16T17:47:27.766-06:002011-02-16T17:47:27.766-06:00I bet they serve fancy shmanchy food at the teache...I bet they serve fancy shmanchy food at the teachers lunchroom.<br /><br />Quail. Big quail.<br /><br />And the people who pay the bills get Sloppy Joes and fish sticks.Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25596427260078302842011-02-16T17:45:35.009-06:002011-02-16T17:45:35.009-06:00That's not fair DBQ.
She is quite typical for...That's not fair DBQ.<br /><br />She is quite typical for college professors.<br /><br />Those that can't do, teach.Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-64157804415241933172011-02-16T17:40:35.132-06:002011-02-16T17:40:35.132-06:00"But I would like to hear a discussion of wha..."But I would like to hear a discussion of what created this sudden deficit in this fiscal year..."<br /><br /><i>A degreee in economics?<br />Criminey.</i><br /><br />@Pogo<br /><br />My very thoughts. Nina must have gotten her degree from a Cracker Jacks box.<br /><br />Sheesh.Dust Bunny Queenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15115422951538885247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70092997914688125592011-02-16T17:22:46.181-06:002011-02-16T17:22:46.181-06:00Apparently, blogger sez No mo linkz!, and wrecks t...Apparently, blogger sez <i>No mo linkz!</i>, and wrecks the whole internet.KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11812830145064723212011-02-16T17:21:16.771-06:002011-02-16T17:21:16.771-06:00Hey my link to the story was deleted twice already...Hey my link to the story was deleted twice already!!!!!!!<br /><br /><a href="http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/uft_honcho_in_food_fight_with_albany_BVdH4gwlRPni8nySs4SVWI" rel="nofollow">Read all about a typical teacher and Union honcho from the UFT.</a>Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37282182050983991172011-02-16T17:21:07.385-06:002011-02-16T17:21:07.385-06:00Don't worry. President Obama will demand the ...Don't worry. President Obama will demand the governor step down in face of the "massive" protests. People want freedom in Wisconsin!!!! The President will send SEIU thugs to fight off the police trying to keep order. SEIU thugs will take over and see there is an orderly transition of government.<br /><br />A new governor will be appointed from the SEIU ranks. Wisconsin will celebrate. The world will be a better place.Peter V. Bellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04209902525167395224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16297863010968719282011-02-16T17:19:14.301-06:002011-02-16T17:19:14.301-06:00I know Pogo....but going batshit because the "...I know Pogo....but going batshit because the "quail was too small"<br />I mean that tells you it all right there.<br /><br />FIRE THEIR ASSES!!!!!!!!!!Trooper Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978703998566102194noreply@blogger.com