tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post3549991993834260418..comments2024-03-29T00:04:32.434-05:00Comments on Althouse: In Wisconsin, when the dogs hunting bears are killed by wolves...Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger102125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-39395781710377650282017-06-10T18:08:08.405-05:002017-06-10T18:08:08.405-05:00The three S rule applies; Shoot , Shovel, and Shut...The three S rule applies; Shoot , Shovel, and Shut Up.DUSTERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17936298779710032344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75696377366212556622017-06-10T14:38:30.824-05:002017-06-10T14:38:30.824-05:00Several things don't seem right about this sto...Several things don't seem right about this story. I've hunted lots of bear with dogs....Most hunters bait bears with left over Dunkin' Donuts or other sweet sh*t that is easy and cheap to obtain. If you're using meat to bait bears you're asking for trouble. I'm not a huge fan of the bait pile, but I pass no judgement. Bear populations must be kept in check and that's a reasonable way to do it.<br /><br />A good "strike dog" can smell a bear off the hood of the pick up truck is worth many times more than the 2500 dollar fee paid by Wisconsin. Most of us who spend time in places wild enough to keep wolves know they kill for the pleasure of killing............and there's far too many of them. They've decimated elk and deer populations in Montana and Idaho and their numbers must be trimmed dramatically. Then this type of contact with bear dogs will become minimal. If humans don't trim their numbers...nature will surely do so and it will be far more inhumane. <br />Mash Your Mellowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03507536423249194926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91794096382308204882017-06-09T23:36:03.910-05:002017-06-09T23:36:03.910-05:00Beats sitting in front of a screen.Beats sitting in front of a screen.Mountain Mavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01576976955563915561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-8761501082582743392017-06-09T19:33:13.120-05:002017-06-09T19:33:13.120-05:00Good hunting dogs are quite expensive. Then vet bi...Good hunting dogs are quite expensive. Then vet bills and food, and I'd say $2,500 is not extreme. A really good dog may be insured for a lot more than that! A hunting hound pup can cost anywhere from about $450 to more than $1,500. Training costs anywhere from $500 to $1,000. It's hard to buy any decent trained hunting hound for less than $1,500. If a good female has three litters of four surviving saleable pups each, that's at least $4,000 in gross income. So a lot of these dogs are insured if they are really good. <br /><br />41 dogs killed by wolves isn't that many either. Lot of people hunt with dogs. I'm kind of surprised it is so few given the stats I found. <br /><br />If the financial losses mount up, the people in the woods with guns encountering wolves are going to shoot them. Nor is 41 dogs killed a year a lot, or a figure that in any way justifies some bizarre theory that people are deliberately getting wolf packs to kill dogs. According to WI state, you've got on the order of 28,000 bear in the state. In 2016 4,682 <br /> bear were taken by hunters. So 41 dogs is not in any way out of line. Plus, most people in the woods with hunting dogs will be after other prey. That's a really small number, to me. <br /><br />Googling (astonishing the information you can find) gives a 2016 list of dog depredations:<br />http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/wildlifehabitat/wolf/dogdeps2.html<br /><br />The state maintains a warning list of where these attacks happen, and it looks to me like people are using it to avoid the danger. <br /><br />Blueticks, walkers, Plotts etc are all hunting breed dogs. These are not dogs from the pound. There is NO EFFING WAY anyone would deliberately off a good hunting dog for $2,500. I don't know who came up with that theory, but it smells of Madison-level madness. Hunting hounds are particularly vulnerable because they are bred to find the scent and follow it without any diversion. Many breeds of dogs would realize that there are wolves in the area and turn and escape, but if the hounds have the scent, they are going to go. So collisions are inevitable. <br />MaxedOutMamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08011469804162511617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75980047715717293102017-06-09T18:15:44.436-05:002017-06-09T18:15:44.436-05:00"Paddy O said...
We had coyotes who knew how ..."Paddy O said...<br />We had coyotes who knew how to open car doors to get at what was inside,though only if they were unlocked."<br /><br />Hahahaha! See a coyote with a key fob and you are fuxored.Curious Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14440726941494085334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-88148050542756007572017-06-09T17:25:49.279-05:002017-06-09T17:25:49.279-05:00I'm not expressing any opinion here, just aski...<i>I'm not expressing any opinion here, just asking for yours.</i><br /><br />Frequently when man thinks he can take on Mother Nature, Mother Nature rips him a new *$$hole. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-33913920460931122522017-06-09T17:13:55.374-05:002017-06-09T17:13:55.374-05:00Some people think the hunters deliberate "run...<i>Some people think the hunters deliberate "run bear hounds through wolf packs" to get the $2,500.</i><br /><br />Anyone who entertains that theory longer than it takes to read is... well, stupid is an overused word but it applies here. Quaestorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688608372863540573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-87175265210858593842017-06-09T17:01:37.669-05:002017-06-09T17:01:37.669-05:00> I'm not expressing any opinion here, just...> <em>I'm not expressing any opinion here, just asking for yours. </em><br /><br />Easy, anytime the government is handing out $2500, somebody will immediately start looking for a way to game the system. Easy fix: prorate payout based on the worth and age of the dog. Nobody should get $2500 for a $50 mutt from a rescue shelter.Dave in Tucsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02591277562652290966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73185597256918044062017-06-09T15:48:24.831-05:002017-06-09T15:48:24.831-05:00What's being requested is discrimination again...<i>What's being requested is discrimination against hunting dogs. Pet dogs killed by wolves would still be reimbursed.</i><br /><br />Now it all makes sense. It's about compensating for bringing back wolves period. This is just one aspect of it.tim in vermonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06547980465313241972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34849864877333224962017-06-09T15:25:16.286-05:002017-06-09T15:25:16.286-05:00"I used to chase [coyotes] when they came too..."I used to chase [coyotes] when they came too near the house, they'd lope off looking confused and annoyed, looking over their shoulder as I chased them barefoot through the forest."<br /><br />It's the well shod coyote you have to worry about. Very clever they are.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17424384180201600935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56946209351386187482017-06-09T15:20:53.287-05:002017-06-09T15:20:53.287-05:00Bad Lt.,
I took my visiting brother-in-law to Chi...Bad Lt.,<br /><br />I took my visiting brother-in-law to Chicago's Chinatown for dim sum. He ordered the chicken feet.<br /><br />He got exactly what he ordered. They had no taste, and felt like eating erasers, but they were texturally less offensive than curry cow foot that a Jamaican friend once made. Francisco Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06352134756750456783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60589463379986361572017-06-09T15:20:35.232-05:002017-06-09T15:20:35.232-05:00They aren't paying hunters for the dogs. It...They aren't paying hunters for the dogs. It's a bribe to keep them from politicking against wolf restoration.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17424384180201600935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-10925552895243259582017-06-09T14:58:47.347-05:002017-06-09T14:58:47.347-05:00Francisco, tongue isn't my top fave (my dad go...Francisco, tongue isn't my top fave (my dad goes ape over it), but it's gotta be better than bear or dog meat. Obviously you turn to tongue when the pastrami, corned beef and brisket run out, but it's food. <br /><br />I check you on the texture issue. Kinda like chicken feet - even if good, I always give those a miss at the dim sum places; one chicken foot surfeits me, I can't finish a bowlful.Bad Lieutenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18091901464339059169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-42864432829953885832017-06-09T14:55:18.202-05:002017-06-09T14:55:18.202-05:00Blogger sparrow said...
"I don't understa...Blogger sparrow said...<br />"I don't understand why the state is liable for the loss; seems like it's a risk the hunter should underwrite."<br /><br />You are all missing the point.<br /><br />The state is paying the hunters to not shoot the wolves. Achilleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04109507896997459818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86179165249723224592017-06-09T14:48:00.409-05:002017-06-09T14:48:00.409-05:00Bad Lt,
I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood and ha...Bad Lt,<br /><br />I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood and have eaten at plenty of delis. I tried tongue and it did not taste bad. I prefer pastrami and corned beef.<br /><br />The problem is texture. Foods have a mouth feel that people react differently to. I love raw oysters and sushi, but most of my acquaintances gag on it. Tongue feels exactly like what you would expect it to feel like. Not my cup of tea.Francisco Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06352134756750456783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91656276286705902882017-06-09T14:47:59.322-05:002017-06-09T14:47:59.322-05:00When you hunt bear, sometimes you get the bear, an...When you hunt bear, sometimes you get the bear, and sometimes the bear/wolf gets you. Comes with the territory. Biotrekkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13823556763051918815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55124560171820351282017-06-09T14:20:58.464-05:002017-06-09T14:20:58.464-05:00What's being requested is discrimination again...What's being requested is discrimination against hunting dogs. Pet dogs killed by wolves would still be reimbursed.Left Bank of the Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04494310302328322830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-28753910683246552432017-06-09T13:58:47.181-05:002017-06-09T13:58:47.181-05:00My friend, Max, recently posted on bounties and ma...My friend, Max, recently posted on bounties and market forces here:<br /><br />http://maxredline.typepad.com/maxredline/2017/06/not-what-was-intended.html<br /><br />.OregonGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08096619871119860938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67360386356390986402017-06-09T13:48:26.046-05:002017-06-09T13:48:26.046-05:00@Dave,
Interesting points, I hadn't thought o...@Dave,<br /><br />Interesting points, I hadn't thought of.<br /><br />I am from eastern Washington and never bothered with bear hunting since, even though I spent a lot of time in woods, I don't think I ever saw a bear. (I may have seen one while huckleberry picking, but I don't remember now if we were on the WA side or into ID) All the (successful) bear hunters I knew lived in western Washington, where it is more densely wooded and bushy. <br /><br />Whenever I went backpacking in western WA or especially the Olympic Peninsula, I never failed to spot a black bear. I think they were just super-abundant in the west and more spread out in the east.dbphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00457585811847604584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29624583070276221232017-06-09T13:46:05.540-05:002017-06-09T13:46:05.540-05:00Also the very real investment of time and experien...Also the very real investment of time and experience to train the mutts.The Cracker Emcee Refulgenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14092601135276316645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74429571817012322712017-06-09T13:44:40.364-05:002017-06-09T13:44:40.364-05:00We're not talking random litters of Black Labs...We're not talking random litters of Black Labs here.The Cracker Emcee Refulgenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14092601135276316645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51792174606273173082017-06-09T13:42:58.584-05:002017-06-09T13:42:58.584-05:00Quality hounds from accomplished bloodlines are ve...Quality hounds from accomplished bloodlines are very expensive. Why would anyone assume the risk if they weren't compensated for loss?The Cracker Emcee Refulgenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14092601135276316645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77347918846615564662017-06-09T13:38:00.862-05:002017-06-09T13:38:00.862-05:00dpb said "I never hunted bear but knew people...dpb said "I never hunted bear but knew people who did and they were fairly successful sans bait or dogs."<br /><br />In the west, where bears can be seen in the open they can be hunted without bait or dogs. A hunter can find bears by watching open areas for bears, and then get closer for a shot. In the east, where terrain is flat and bears hunt primarily wooded areas, we don't have the conditions where hunters can find bears without bait or dogs. There are ~28,000 bears in WI; there are ~1,000,000 deer in WI. You can't just sit on a stump and wait for a bear to wander by like you can with deer.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08904242512931124180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-18042370487270665172017-06-09T13:35:26.426-05:002017-06-09T13:35:26.426-05:00Mountain Lion hunting requires dogs, you will neve...<i>Mountain Lion hunting requires dogs, you will never see one on your own.</i><br /><br /><a href="http://media.spokesman.com/documents/2011/05/0904_001.pdf" rel="nofollow">Unless you know where to look. They're at the grocery store.</a>rehajmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14554135440560051175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2154043279721845162017-06-09T13:29:40.447-05:002017-06-09T13:29:40.447-05:00In Washington, where I grew up, there is black bea...In Washington, where I grew up, there is black bear hunting but baiting is forbidden. I never hunted bear but knew people who did and they were fairly successful sans bait or dogs.<br /><br />Mountain Lion hunting requires dogs, you will never see one on your own.dbphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00457585811847604584noreply@blogger.com