tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post3549161301996645575..comments2024-03-28T01:44:47.253-05:00Comments on Althouse: The first 2 chords of Beethoven's Eroica, as played over the years...Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38261129137491898382012-03-04T23:14:05.863-06:002012-03-04T23:14:05.863-06:00"Rocky on the water".
Hm? That sounds ..."Rocky on the water".<br /><br />Hm? That sounds odd. <br /><br />It would look odd too.<br /><br />Imagine the Grand Tetons floating!<br /><br />And there you are, a gun your only protection.<br /><br />Honestly, it's no WONDER people find religion.<br /><br />Not like you're gonna get on your cell and call "Ghostbusters".Pennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02094488084214911115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49175655649044371752012-03-04T22:55:57.432-06:002012-03-04T22:55:57.432-06:00But if I did live on a boat...
I'd probably h...But if I did live on a boat...<br /><br />I'd probably have a gun. I might even invoke the name of Jesus Christ if things got too rocky.Pennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02094488084214911115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17594553766657746752012-03-04T22:45:41.666-06:002012-03-04T22:45:41.666-06:00Titus asked,
"...how can you people that don...Titus asked,<br /><br />"...how can you people that don't live on the ocean do that?"<br /><br />We don't have any interest in living on a boat, silly.Pennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02094488084214911115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11782347882948973352012-03-04T21:09:51.160-06:002012-03-04T21:09:51.160-06:00The pitch variation in the early examples can be a...The pitch variation in the early examples can be almost entirely explained by incorrect playback speed used for the transcription from disk that we are hearing. We are all familiar with the "78" speed on our phonographs, but the actual speed of the recording was not standardised and varied between record companies.<br />A440 was easy to have as a reference tune to long before electronic tuners by using a tuning fork. Nevertheless, each major world-class symphony orchestra has it's own tuning pitch even today, and many are higher (by a few cents) than 440 Hz.<br />The variation in tempo is partly artistic choice on the part of the conductor, and partly acoustics -- the radio-orchestras in auditoriums with very short RT60 are necessarily faster than the recordings made in places with long tails such at the Cleveland Masonic Auditorium.<br />As to the tone, the microphone choice and placement with have an emphasis, but the highly-paid orchestras will have a sweetness and warmth to the tone from the use of finer string instruments that cannot be replicated by lesser orchestras or ameliorated by use of electronicsDouglas2https://www.blogger.com/profile/18142485990801143191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49629709964490271912012-03-04T21:07:22.458-06:002012-03-04T21:07:22.458-06:00They used to build concert halls in mono?
Built i...<i>They used to build concert halls in mono? <br /></i>Built in the lean years.Ralph Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915708905660273961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-64482592751920866142012-03-04T20:49:09.141-06:002012-03-04T20:49:09.141-06:00tradguy,
"The greatest symphony ever written...tradguy,<br /><br />"<i>The greatest symphony ever written...</i>"<br /><br />Huh??? You heretic, you'll burn for this! (Chip S., you too!)Kirk Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05921711310191924997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23243491165306252802012-03-04T20:21:29.227-06:002012-03-04T20:21:29.227-06:00IMO Beethoven and Mozart are the opposite of compl...<i>IMO Beethoven and Mozart are the opposite of complex music, because they mastered simple romantic themes in precise sounds encoded for eternity</i>.<br /><br />Beethoven, at least, is far more than simple romantic themes. Consider, for example, the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp1DH9--vGo&feature=related" rel="nofollow">Grosse Fugue</a>.Balfegorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08012196656096263507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86493796547818935102012-03-04T19:36:25.890-06:002012-03-04T19:36:25.890-06:00Cincinnati hands down -- if only for stressing the...Cincinnati hands down -- if only for stressing the strings. I've no particular love of strings, but it stood out for originality.Craig Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17778080830068892260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58877368959327726452012-03-04T19:08:10.043-06:002012-03-04T19:08:10.043-06:00IMO Beethoven and Mozart are the opposite of compl...IMO Beethoven and Mozart are the opposite of complex music, because they mastered simple romantic themes in precise sounds encoded for eternity.<br /><br />Now Wagner is complex, and very confused.traditionalguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706120413005530014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65349484505382370522012-03-04T18:57:44.993-06:002012-03-04T18:57:44.993-06:00Oh. I forgot to mention the concert halls and the ...<i>Oh. I forgot to mention the concert halls and the fact that about half are in stereo and half in mono.</i><br /><br />They used to build concert halls in mono?Icepickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09616554052707230326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82836536715342152422012-03-04T18:52:20.342-06:002012-03-04T18:52:20.342-06:00The lack of a standard may explain why the Concert...The lack of a standard may explain why <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concert_of_Europe" rel="nofollow">the Concert of Europe</a> exploded into WWI.Ralph Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915708905660273961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11775176760640170812012-03-04T18:23:23.462-06:002012-03-04T18:23:23.462-06:00Titus said, "Also, my husband and I did it 3 ...Titus said, "Also, my husband and I did it 3 times within 48 hours. My hog is tired and doesn't want to come out to play for a long time."<br /><br />How old are you? I'm almost 50 and my wife do it every morning and most nights. <br /><br />God I love being married to an Ukrainian woman :)Bill, Republic of Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06205704962575861378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81568396921576061032012-03-04T18:22:28.078-06:002012-03-04T18:22:28.078-06:00When I was in Connecticut my thoughts turned to......When I was in Connecticut my thoughts turned to...how can you people that don't live on the ocean do that?<br /><br />I fucking love the ocean.<br /><br />I could never live anywhere that is not on the sea.<br /><br />So sad for you non ocean people.<br /><br />And lakes or lake "beaches" don't count. Do you know if you ever say to an Ocean state peep that there are beaches in your non Ocean state where you came from they laugh?<br /><br />tits.Titushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09505398901816313803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11285065229913818942012-03-04T18:09:43.020-06:002012-03-04T18:09:43.020-06:00Setting A above middle C = 440 Hz is the internati...Setting A above middle C = 440 Hz is the international standard as established by the International Organization for Standardization (see p. 3 of this <a href="http://www.wam.hr/sadrzaj/us/Cavanagh_440Hz.pdf" rel="nofollow">article</a>, but it's not in the <a href="http://www.firstworldwar.com/source/versailles.htm" rel="nofollow">Treaty of Versailles</a>. If it had been, that would have been awesome.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11386165669907559416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77883771631465435682012-03-04T17:55:24.216-06:002012-03-04T17:55:24.216-06:00I spent the weekend on the coast of Connecticut an...I spent the weekend on the coast of Connecticut and abs loved it. You can take a 30 minute ferry to Long Island-I never knew it was so close.<br /><br />I have lived in the Northeast for 20 years and have never been there.<br /><br />My hubby had a senior level meeting at Foxwoods which is huge and gross. We saw John Leguizamo perform and he was great. Our room at the MGM was only 500.00 each night. Our front desk attendant informed us that he was there until 11 and would be happy to come to our room for any need-I was like bitch we are married.<br /><br />Went to Mystic, New London, Norwich, Groton, Block Island-so fab. Quintessential New England seaside towns. Yet very multi cultural. New London was home to the Kelo decision as well as a magician named Magic Dick.<br /><br />Lot of organic and vege places in these small hamlets, which I always find interesting. You expect fish and chips, which you can get natch, but there is so much more.<br /><br />God I love New England. And not a domestic car or republican sticker in sight. Although, in general there are no bumper stickers in New England-which I attribute to being reserved and not wanting to draw any attention.<br /><br />Connecticut liquor stores are closed on Sundays because of Blue Laws but they are trying to do away with that.<br /><br />And interesting fact about Connecticut. I was always the impression that the state was mui fab. But it's not. Yes, it has it's incredible zip codes, but the majority of the state is a piece of shit. New Haven is a fucking dump and a little scary. Once you cross though Ivory Towers you are in the ghetto, which is so much different than Cambridge.<br /><br />Also, my husband and I did it 3 times within 48 hours. My hog is tired and doesn't want to come out to play for a long time.<br />tits.Titushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09505398901816313803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66194334775412123322012-03-04T17:50:05.487-06:002012-03-04T17:50:05.487-06:00Speaking of the same music sounding different, Oba...Speaking of the same music sounding different, Obama said today that he has Israel's back "when the chips are down."<br /><br />Does that mean "when an election is coming up?"<br /><br />Or when they are attacked?<br /><br />Just what does it mean when Obama starts to talk manly talk?Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17424384180201600935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89711164106139559792012-03-04T17:06:01.772-06:002012-03-04T17:06:01.772-06:00"I'm amazed at the variation."
Yes!..."I'm amazed at the variation."<br /><br />Yes!<br /><br />That must mean classical music is outside the political arena.Pennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02094488084214911115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58264635212212161432012-03-04T16:53:34.254-06:002012-03-04T16:53:34.254-06:00Call it what you like but it sounded exactly like ...Call it what you like but it sounded exactly like Beethoven's third to me.Chip Ahoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12597726289890879627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-46060432027854891122012-03-04T16:15:34.211-06:002012-03-04T16:15:34.211-06:00Appropriately, James Levine and the Met produced t...Appropriately, James Levine and the Met produced the most full-bodied sound.<br /><br />I always assumed chords like these were designed to get the audience to pipe down, with a long coda to wake them up and tell them when to clap.Ralph Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915708905660273961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26464371823329852462012-03-04T15:09:27.126-06:002012-03-04T15:09:27.126-06:00What a treat! Thanks, Ann.
Like many of the abov...What a treat! Thanks, Ann.<br /><br />Like many of the above, the most interesting shifts emerge when the period-instruments movement emerges.<br /><br />But none is no surprising as Jordi Savall's Concert de Nations (1994). Even in a single second, he helps me to hear again.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05138689615443756822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71914913232521827332012-03-04T15:05:35.605-06:002012-03-04T15:05:35.605-06:00Chip S. said...
Huh?
Good point! Two is a prime ...Chip S. said...<br /><i>Huh?</i><br /><br />Good point! Two <i>is</i> a prime number, mea culpa.<br /><br />The cords reminded me of the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmSYXbgcozY#t=6m23s" rel="nofollow">extraterrestrial sounds in the movie "Contact"</a>, where the radio impulses were received in sequences of prime numbers thereby indicating an intelligent source.Wincehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15002449963597087316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56621945424661147222012-03-04T14:35:25.202-06:002012-03-04T14:35:25.202-06:00rhhardin wrote:
I think everybody is supposed to b...rhhardin wrote:<br /><i>I think everybody is supposed to be using 440 A in the last century</i><br /><br />Nearly everybody without doubt. However over the last half-century there has been an increasing interest in so-called ancient music, specifically groups that play instruments and use techniques to reproduce a sound which some musicologists believe most nearly replicate what a concert goer in the 18th century or early 19th would likely hear.<br /><br />In this case I think some of the variation can be attributed to the various form of equal temperament which classical and baroque composers often played with (well temperament and 31TET are just two of dozens of alternate tuning schemes) Most people think of classical and baroque as the product of peruked fuddy duddies trapped by strict artist fomulae. Nothing could be further from the truth. many of these men were true pioneers who experimented with physics of sound. Western popular music from the late 20th century to the present <b>is</b> formulaic trash by comparison. Listen to Christopher Hogwood's Academy of Ancient Music, to Norrington's London Classical and to John Eliot Gardiner's Orchestre Revolutionnaire et Romantique and I think you'll hear those chords played in tunings other than 440 12-tone.<br /><br />These group also tend to be much smaller than the grand symphonic orchestras which became widely popular around 1850 and became the norm after 1900. The smaller "ancient music" groups just can't compete when it comes to rich bottom sound.Quaestorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688608372863540573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21546637732082865732012-03-04T14:25:56.911-06:002012-03-04T14:25:56.911-06:00Thanks, Mark.Thanks, Mark.Peter Hohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06916196998855947137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57596350620006356832012-03-04T14:16:40.954-06:002012-03-04T14:16:40.954-06:00Peter, that would be PDQ Bach, and the Fifth not t...Peter, that would be PDQ Bach, and the Fifth not then Ninth symphony...<br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="http://youtu.be/f0vHpeUO5mw" rel="nofollow">link</a>markwarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09225766058190151714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25814454126283191652012-03-04T14:13:53.547-06:002012-03-04T14:13:53.547-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.markwarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09225766058190151714noreply@blogger.com