tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post322179155505929654..comments2024-03-19T07:40:22.649-05:00Comments on Althouse: "Sanitation Department's slow snow cleanup was a budget protest."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84837058252771282572010-12-30T23:14:10.257-06:002010-12-30T23:14:10.257-06:00I think Bush is responsible for Katrina and all of...I think Bush is responsible for Katrina and all of global warming. Thankfully Obama was elected and he is so cool he not only stopped global warming, he reversed it. Hmm perhaps Obama is just a little too cool. /sarc<br /><br />wv jaybe: jaybe, just jaybe, some of those responsible will be terminated.The Muskethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17723154005271363555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-43495158174504408562010-12-30T22:26:05.541-06:002010-12-30T22:26:05.541-06:00By the way, it was quiet on Sunday. Usually they ...By the way, it was quiet on Sunday. Usually they are out and ready, salting as it comes down, ploughing as it comes down. This time, they aren't there until Tuesday.<br /><br />And on Sunday, the not only made overtime, but double time.CatherineMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04909616844180482228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84922927575531845912010-12-30T22:20:17.547-06:002010-12-30T22:20:17.547-06:00Andy Levy from Red Eye made a good joke.
"...Andy Levy from Red Eye made a good joke. <br />"I'm assuming the reason NYC is still a total mess from the blizzard is because Mayor Bloomberg won't let salt be used to melt the snow."CatherineMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04909616844180482228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74052694868121914612010-12-30T22:20:10.798-06:002010-12-30T22:20:10.798-06:00Andy Levy from Red Eye made a good joke.
"...Andy Levy from Red Eye made a good joke. <br />"I'm assuming the reason NYC is still a total mess from the blizzard is because Mayor Bloomberg won't let salt be used to melt the snow."CatherineMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04909616844180482228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15320374404235544302010-12-30T22:16:48.704-06:002010-12-30T22:16:48.704-06:00I live in Queens and this storm was not as bad as ...I live in Queens and this storm was not as bad as the blizzard of January 1996. The drifts were just as high if not worse. Then, I opened my door to find snow up to my shoulders. It also started on a Sunday mid day and ended Monday. That was as much snow, but it was much heavier snow (because the temp was higher). This snow is light and fluffy.<br /><br />Guiliani had the side streets plowed on Monday that 1996 storm and by Tuesday morning 5am it was clear enough to drive and my bus had chains on the tires! No chains this time around and my bus and others were stuck everywhere. Bloomberg didn't make a first plow until Tuesday late morning. As of today, Nostrand avenue wasn't plowed. He makes Manhattan a priority for business, but forgets the workers who live in the outer boroughs need to be able to get there to work!<br /><br />Guiliani never forgot the outer boroughs. Every borough was equal and were his keys to reelection. If there is one complaint over and over it's, "Bloomberg doesn't give a shit about MY neighborhood."<br /><br />Bloomberg was such an arrogant prick on Monday. He finally is acknowledging mistakes today. Jerk.<br /><br />Now I can walk to the store, etc, but if I or any of my neighbors had an emergency we would have been screwed.CatherineMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04909616844180482228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69458719797475130742010-12-30T21:34:14.080-06:002010-12-30T21:34:14.080-06:00Or, more likely, this story is more horsehit being...<i>Or, more likely, this story is more horsehit being shoveled by Murdoch and the NY Post.</i><br /><br />So basically it is a toss-up between "the union workers are incompetent" and "the union workers deliberately did a bad job"?<br /><br />Why, in either case, is it worthwhile to keep employing them? Sack the lot; there are plenty of people looking for work who would be willing and able to plow a street successfully.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31010076318867274002010-12-30T20:17:06.142-06:002010-12-30T20:17:06.142-06:00Of course there is no mention in the NY Times of t...Of course there is no mention in the NY Times of the possibility that a union protest was at underway. Or if is is there, it is buried somewhere.CBCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18190461038334131054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50031973441293921442010-12-30T16:50:59.224-06:002010-12-30T16:50:59.224-06:00So I guess we can believe Bloomberg's protesta...So I guess we can believe Bloomberg's protestations that he is NOT interested in a presidential campaign. Can Cuomo forget his ambitions if he doesn't do a thorough investigation and provide consequences?Christyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12623422545436294378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77250729187469044372010-12-30T16:42:41.740-06:002010-12-30T16:42:41.740-06:00Or, more likely, this story is more horsehit being...<i>Or, more likely, this story is more horsehit being shoveled by Murdoch and the NY Post.<br /><br /></i>Truly lame.knoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13231876226573540476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24362518587112939232010-12-30T16:39:37.433-06:002010-12-30T16:39:37.433-06:00Selfish Sanitation Department bosses from the snow...Selfish Sanitation Department bosses from the snow-slammed outer boroughs ordered their drivers to snarl the blizzard cleanup to protest budget cuts -- <br />===========================<br />Wait a minute. You are talking about part of the Heroes of 9/11. While people run from burning buildings and Hero Cops and Firefighters rush in, remember people run from smoking debris that New York's Strongest (the 3rd Hero Union) clean up.<br />The Hero Cops and Firefighter Heros got a 8 billion pork bill passed for renumerating their Herohood, reduced to a mere 4 billion by heartless Republican people that do not properly worship the NYPD and NYFD.<br /><br />But the Hero NYGC (New York Garbage Collection) union did not have the NY Media, Bloomie, and various Congresscritters out to bring home the bacon - raise a protest or lift a finger for the Other Heroes in Uniform. Who were at Ground Zero for All Of Us, Helping Bring Closure...by moving the toxic debris out.<br /><br />All they got is budget cuts! No mention of why they also deserved not just no cuts but 4 billion in gravy spread around.<br /><br />No wonder the "NY's Strongest" trash collectors are pissed!<br /><br />Fortunately, like the private contractors who were also in the Pit with the Hero Cops and Hero Firefighters - the garbagemen, ironworkers, engineers appear to have better health than NY's Finest and NY's Bravest.<br /><br />And their fault for not using 9/11 from Day 1 to get the moolah and perks Head Pimp Rudy got for his beloved cops and firefighters...<br /><br />I mean, Americans are gullible enough and readily susceptable to moral blackmail - had the trash collection union people and heavy equipment operator people and engineers at Ground Zero cultivated the same Hero-Victim narrative - they could have demanded and got billions in gravy.<br /><br />Poor souls! Now protests in a broke city that only cares for teachers, Manhattan Elites, cops, Wall Street bankers and firefighters - are their only vehicle for demanding their own gravy from NYC and America's taxpayers.<br /><br />Too late people! Had you had Rudy pimping you too, early, the nation would have paid for the privilege of kissing your heroic asses!Cedarfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602418702398818596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41225834413193406312010-12-30T16:29:33.808-06:002010-12-30T16:29:33.808-06:00You're assuming the story is true again. But i...You're assuming the story is true again. But if it were me, I'd just plow the goddamm streets.garage mahalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485491995866513686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60178682904072879102010-12-30T16:18:53.280-06:002010-12-30T16:18:53.280-06:00re Bush, who said? You mean by not blaming him al...re Bush, who said? You mean by not blaming him all the time? Funny your guy keeps coming up with ways to extend/expand Bush's programs.<br /><br />Answer the question, Garage. If it was YOU, would YOU want to remain anonymous or would you cower and not report the union holding the city hostage (to use the President's words) in order to affect a protest?Scott Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02459388007426664813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-12503801862093848682010-12-30T16:17:44.661-06:002010-12-30T16:17:44.661-06:00Hoosier Daddy wrote:
Let the rest of us know when ...Hoosier Daddy wrote:<br />Let the rest of us know when you find one mkay? I mean don't you think a city with a $64 billion budget should be able to at least perform its most basic service?<br><br />Are you suggesting that no streets were plowed? If streets were plowed then govt is performing its most basic service. If not every street was plowed in your alloted time frame, maybe you're not being particularly realistic about expectations. <br />Why wasn't the Iraq war won in a day? Why didn't Bush evacuatte everyone from NO in two days? Maybe because its not realistic to expect them to do so. Maybe the govt should have used one plow for every street, and hired people to shovel out everyone's driveway while they were at it. Why not also set up personal cabs for eeryone in an outer burrough that were hovercrafts so they could simply float over the snow, and that way noone would miss work? Maybe Bush should have bought all NO residents a car a week before hurricane Katrina? <br />That doesn't mean that govt still can't be incompetent, but for someone who thinks that govt is incompetent you seem to expect them to do an awful lot. If the reason you think they are incompetent is because they can't move heaven and earth in the limited time frame you've alloted, maybe govt is not the problem.jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/07630491937904835553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9070571699927620912010-12-30T16:08:30.813-06:002010-12-30T16:08:30.813-06:00Mitch H wrote:
He honestly believes in that mythic...Mitch H wrote:<br />He honestly believes in that mythical creature of the imagination, the well-functioning government.<br /><br> In the case of disaster like this that(govt) is the only option you really have, so I'd hope you want it to be well functioning. If your idea is to have a govt so limited that it can't deal with removing snow from roads then you're going to have areas that aren't cleared of snow till it thaw in the spring.<br />So in this case I'm for effective govt. But what does effective govt mean? not taht all roads will be cleared of snow in 24 hours. that is simply not realistic. To fault govt for not surmounting insurmountable problems in a time frame that you set, based on no realistic criterion based on actual fact means that you are not really credible about dealing with issues. You just want to hold govt accountable. And it was wrong when the libs did it to Bush and it's similarly wrong now when the conservatives do it to Bloomberg. people suggest that if their side were in power you'd have adequate govt to deal with these issues and that any problems are simply incompetence.<br />More likely, there are problems becuase the issue is not easily fixed. And plowing a street takes a long time, and there are limited resources to work with (even if the amount of resources is larger than used in the past). You are not going to clear out NYC and all of it's burroughs in a day. To expect otherwise means you are a moron.<br />And it's not made better when the people who are supposed to be doing a job (clearing the snow) are in fact not doing so out of some need to punish Bloomberg for abudget protest.jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/07630491937904835553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59563190116911122212010-12-30T16:07:24.656-06:002010-12-30T16:07:24.656-06:00We're not supposed to talk about Bush and the ...We're not supposed to talk about Bush and the past, remember?garage mahalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485491995866513686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81232281683672857082010-12-30T15:56:09.123-06:002010-12-30T15:56:09.123-06:00Garage Mahal wrote:
Mmm I don't know, I'm ...Garage Mahal wrote:<br />Mmm I don't know, I'm thinking maybe a blizzard with a few feet of snow piled on top of 10 million people would tend to slow things down. Only a well functioning GOVERNMENT can save us!<br /><br> All true, except where was this talk when Bush was dealing with Katrina? All of a sudden you are suggesting that natural disasters were hard to deal with, yet when Bush handled Katrina the fact that the entire city of New Orleans wasn't evacuated by day one was an example of Bush incompetence and an example of how he dawdled because he didn't care for black people. <br />Yet now, you suddenly want to get into the intricacies and hardships of emergency management.jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/07630491937904835553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68305023309417470282010-12-30T15:27:57.006-06:002010-12-30T15:27:57.006-06:00Why bother with garage? He honestly believes in t...Why bother with garage? He honestly believes in that mythical creature of the imagination, the well-functioning government.<br /><br />But please, tell us about the evil of "snitches". It has such a very mafia flavor to it, that word, "snitches". Almost as taunt as "rats". Such a very good word for the purposes of criminal conspiracists. The real ones, not the imaginary sort which plot to assassinate left-wing politicians and blame it on eccentric Communists.Mitch H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01630047498946143646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-79297876081726605682010-12-30T14:07:22.252-06:002010-12-30T14:07:22.252-06:00Only a well functioning GOVERNMENT can save us!
L...<i>Only a well functioning GOVERNMENT can save us!</i><br /><br />Let the rest of us know when you find one mkay? I mean don't you think a city with a $64 billion budget should be able to at least perform its most <i>basic</i> service?Hoosier Daddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12872965118921894534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16210714138539359692010-12-30T14:01:40.702-06:002010-12-30T14:01:40.702-06:00Why hasn't anyone blamed Obama? Bush gets shi...Why hasn't anyone blamed Obama? Bush gets shit for letting a hurricane hit a city below sea level. Obama gets no grief for letting a blizzard cripple the eastern seaboard?Rialbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16448720771565399312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47669912288267974792010-12-30T13:45:13.747-06:002010-12-30T13:45:13.747-06:00That wasn't the question. Try again.That wasn't the question. Try again.Scott Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02459388007426664813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-10944093291478277842010-12-30T13:42:30.331-06:002010-12-30T13:42:30.331-06:00LOL. Yes ScottM, IF some union workers were ordere...LOL. Yes ScottM, IF some union workers were ordered to not clean the streets, that could have led to a baby being born in a lobby somewhere, they would probably want to remain anonymous. So instead of going to the NY Post with their story, maybe they should have .......just cleaned the streets?garage mahalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485491995866513686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-64577956048167261192010-12-30T13:38:29.130-06:002010-12-30T13:38:29.130-06:00Answer the question.Answer the question.Scott Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02459388007426664813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51565251745945107442010-12-30T13:23:52.880-06:002010-12-30T13:23:52.880-06:00Now WTF is the excuse for the failed cleanup?
Mm...<i>Now WTF is the excuse for the failed cleanup? </i><br /><br />Mmm I don't know, I'm thinking maybe a blizzard with a few feet of snow piled on top of 10 million people would tend to slow things down. Only a well functioning GOVERNMENT can save us!garage mahalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485491995866513686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49873172217885491532010-12-30T13:16:42.228-06:002010-12-30T13:16:42.228-06:00Answer the question.
Don't wait for the trans...<i>Answer the question.</i><br /><br />Don't wait for the translation! Answer me now!Hoosier Daddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12872965118921894534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44446894927028563132010-12-30T13:14:57.069-06:002010-12-30T13:14:57.069-06:00I so totally believe this story from anonymous sno...<i>I so totally believe this story from anonymous snow removal snitches. </i><br /><br />Why not garage? I mean its not like it came from a Brit tabloid.<br /><br />But hey, lets assume for the sake of argument that the story is bogus and no orders to snarl cleanup were ever given. Now WTF is the excuse for the failed cleanup? Hmmmmm? Bueller? Anyone? A city with a <i>$64 billion</i> budget and they can't keep the friggin streets cleared? I guess when the government wants to do EVERYTHING for us they manage to fail on epic levels. <br /><br />Heckuva job BloomieHoosier Daddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12872965118921894534noreply@blogger.com