tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post3179227311102431000..comments2024-03-28T23:47:08.912-05:00Comments on Althouse: Who gets free school dinner in Madison, Wisconsin?Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger77125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63057620418577733152012-09-17T03:41:50.297-05:002012-09-17T03:41:50.297-05:00We want, wish and hope our schools will provide ou... We want, wish and hope our schools will provide our children an effective education that will help them become successful and engaged adults and citizens. Most public schools are primarily funded through locally-raised property taxes paid directly and indirectly by everyone living in the district. The monies are spent on physical plant capital construction and maintenance (e.g., clean, safe and comfortable building, playgrounds and ball fields;) on salaries and wages of teachers, support staff, and administrators; and on a wide number of programs and supplies for the students (e.g., books, computers, athletic and scholastic competitions and contests.<br /> Am I being jejune in thinking that free meals are hardly some baleful expenditure beyond the pale, but rather, are a reasonable and thoroughly useful addition to our children's school day? Most schools have provided a variety of meals and foods throughout the school day for some time. They have also provided access to running water at the fountain and in the washroom, heated rooms in the winter, an auditorium to hear the school band or the school's principal, and a school nurse to attend to the bumps and bruises that are often apart of most kids' school days.<br />As an interested and concerned community, why should a meal of an apple, a ham sandwich and a glass of milk something we decry offering to all of our school kids?Nicodemus Boffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04949215646455748559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63787380988780066302012-09-16T14:03:30.941-05:002012-09-16T14:03:30.941-05:00This is Arne Duncan's vision of community scho...This is Arne Duncan's vision of community schools. The government wants to supplant parents and become the Nanny.<br /><br />http://www.missourieducationwatchdog.com/2012/04/community-schools-in-chicago-arne.htmlstlgretchenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05148560735290088930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21619534042422464122012-09-16T05:56:46.611-05:002012-09-16T05:56:46.611-05:00The safety net feels safe when you're falling ...The safety net feels safe when you're falling and it catches you.<br /><br />It feels treacherous when you try to stand up again, and you realize it has morphed into a steel trap.<br /><br />I live 10 miles out of town, because all the apartment buildings in town are Section 8. I'm not poor so I can't afford them.kentuckylizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08110491371985845560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26758640424859280042012-09-16T05:32:51.123-05:002012-09-16T05:32:51.123-05:00sleepless nights said...
People tend to get mad a...sleepless nights said...<br /><br /><i>People tend to get mad at the "beneficiaries" they think should be working harder, but really it's the government-funded landlords that break the system.</i><br /><br />I wonder how Valerie Jarrett would stand up under an audit of her rental properties in Chicago? <br /><br />Oh, wait ....Aridoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18345930150667529742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91647663989671773772012-09-16T00:53:10.448-05:002012-09-16T00:53:10.448-05:00@Jane
Yes, that's it. I had never known about...@Jane<br /><br />Yes, that's it. I had never known about Section 8 housing (subsidized housing) until a project on my then-job put me in contact with the system for a few months. I still don't fully understand the amount that Section 8 pays, but I was surprised to learn that it didn't cover the total rent. (Don't have time to google it right now, sorry.)<br /><br />From what I observed, the landlords were the ones milking the system, not the tenants. Let's say a going private market rate for a crap apartment in a not-great neighborhood was $600 a month. The subsidized housing voucher would discount it a percentage, but the Section 8 landlord would inflate the price to $1500 for the equivalent of the $600 apartment. That way he cleaned up on a huge subsidy of the inflated price, while the tenant only got a real world break of a much smaller portion against market rates.<br /><br />Meanwhile, the people living there were artificially limited to about 2 residents plus 2 kids. But the only way they could save any real money was to pretty much "illegally" move their boyfriend, extra kids, or anyone they ever met into the apartment, too, until they were all evicted - a very long process. <br /><br />There were only one or two section 8 landlords in the whole area, but they owned nearly all the official section 8 apartments. <br /><br />People tend to get mad at the "beneficiaries" they think should be working harder, but really it's the government-funded landlords that break the system.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24316978071882610192012-09-15T19:18:23.122-05:002012-09-15T19:18:23.122-05:00Ralph L said...
Could the federal government ple...Ralph L said... <br /><br /><i>Could the federal government please send somebody to do my dishes?</i><br /><br />Certainly, Mr. L...we'll do your dishes, daily if you'd like. <br /><br />However, OHSA requires we confiscate your knives and forks because sharp or pointy objects are too dangerous for your use unsupervised. Now, if you have the audacity to ask us to use soap, well, there's this EPA penalty...er, uhm, "tax" you will need to pay to the IRS.<br /><br />As always, we're here to serve you. <br />Aridoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18345930150667529742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-5307165543626574672012-09-15T19:17:51.501-05:002012-09-15T19:17:51.501-05:00Oh, quityerbitchin'. All Americans must genufl...Oh, quityerbitchin'. All Americans must genuflect in silence at mention of our Americen God, The Pore. Smilin' Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01501763605001379362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47973184231626058442012-09-15T17:34:37.868-05:002012-09-15T17:34:37.868-05:00They won't let the locals feed the kids--the f...They won't let the locals feed the kids--the feds want the power. Our queen just told the Dr. Oz show that she got Congress to appropriate even more money for school lunches/dinners/breakfasts because it hadn't been raised is soooo many years.<br /><br />Dr. Oz swooned.PatCAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02827568087023000839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38788410648080568182012-09-15T17:26:14.072-05:002012-09-15T17:26:14.072-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.I Have Misplaced My Pantshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16170206151454145154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29728330001120074592012-09-15T17:22:21.279-05:002012-09-15T17:22:21.279-05:00I don't mind the lunches or the dinners. Feed ...I don't mind the lunches or the dinners. Feed all the kids as far as I am concerned and take it out of the school budget. But require that the local governments pay for it. That way people can decide if it's really a priority. Will they pay for it iout of local tax money?<br /><br />Thirty five cents of every dollar the federal government is spending is now borrowed. The lunch is not free. It's going to be paid for in the future by the kids who are eating the meals now. Those who get educated well enough to,hold jobs, that is.<br /><br />By the way what is the educational outcome of the kids in this school?Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17424384180201600935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-8271107512534746512012-09-15T15:24:38.583-05:002012-09-15T15:24:38.583-05:00Could the federal government please send somebody ...Could the federal government please send somebody to do my dishes? Three times a week should be enough, but please hurry before I run out of counter space.<br />Ralph Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915708905660273961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30200670653375314412012-09-15T15:18:56.610-05:002012-09-15T15:18:56.610-05:00Kcom, it isn't that the paperwork was to much ...Kcom, it isn't that the paperwork was to much effort, schools get extra money for each kid that qualifies for the free or reduced meal program.Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01287996275271771456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86718862925764877742012-09-15T15:08:57.241-05:002012-09-15T15:08:57.241-05:00I use to substitute in a much less affluent city. ...I use to substitute in a much less affluent city. It was a military town in fact. Out of 12 elementary schools, 5 middle schools and 4 high schools, none of them had free dinner programs. <br /><br />Only two of the elementary schools had a free breakfast program. These were extremely low income schools. The kids ate breakfast in the classroom, the teacher had to pick it up, serve it and clean up. Even if a student was late, up until 1030, they had to be offered breakfast. My guess is maybe 2 kids in each class seemed really hungry for the breakfast. Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01287996275271771456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71633132065256224172012-09-15T15:06:54.216-05:002012-09-15T15:06:54.216-05:00Tyrone Slothrop: Do you get it yet, liberals? Wh...Tyrone Slothrop: <i> Do you get it yet, liberals? When you fall into the safety net, it traps you.</i><br /><br />Perfectly said. <br /><br />Covers it all...every progressive idea is aimed at reinforcing dependency....and eventually making it not optional. Aridoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18345930150667529742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-46471366102985332492012-09-15T14:49:38.053-05:002012-09-15T14:49:38.053-05:00Tyrone:
She can serve me creamed corn and hot dog...Tyrone:<br /><br />She can serve me creamed corn and hot dogs anytime!A. Shmendrikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18437428548437784745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66388787807420478332012-09-15T14:45:50.805-05:002012-09-15T14:45:50.805-05:00Titus said...
Tyrone, your wife is a "lu...<b> Titus said...<br /><br /> Tyrone, your wife is a "lunch lady"?</b><br /><br />Yes, Titus, that's what I said. Additionally, she is a female person.Tyrone Slothrophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12304508836038921013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-27084073747830404162012-09-15T14:43:24.269-05:002012-09-15T14:43:24.269-05:00@maudgonne
Kids can get up to three free squares ...@maudgonne<br /><br /><i>Kids can get up to three free squares a day at school now.<br /><br />What are food stamps buying?</i><br /><br />We have school lunch, food stamps, WIC, and general assistance.<br /><br />We have food banks and soup kitchens.<br /><br />We have all these "donate a meal" things at checkout at the grocery store.<br /><br />I hear endless ads about childhood hunger.<br /><br />If we still have childhood hunger after all that everyone running one of the above needs to be shitcanned and the programs ended and started all over.<br /><br />I feed myself on less that $75/wk and I eat very well. Apparently $100s/wk can feed the poor.<br /><br />Something is wrong.Pulp Herbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02486803457210325703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85352442481440827092012-09-15T14:38:38.253-05:002012-09-15T14:38:38.253-05:00kentuckyliz said...
Oh and talk about learnin...<b>kentuckyliz said...<br /><br /> Oh and talk about learning to be a meek subject of the all powerful state:<br /><br /> Any kid can be random drug tested at any time.</b><br /><br /><br />And this is the lesson of every government handout, a lesson that unfortunately is completely lost on liberals. Every time the government gives you something with the right hand, it takes away something with the left. Every trivial government program does this, but with Obamacare we surrender every last vestige of personal sovereignty. A <i>conservative</i> of all people was making the argument on Fox News today that government restrictions on food products were a <i>good</i> thing, because obesity drives up the cost of medical care for all of us. This can only happen when the government forces you to pay for the bad decisions made by other people. When the public must pay for all health care, any human behavior can be, and will be, restricted on the grounds that it "drives up the cost of medical care for all of us." Do you like hang gliding? Uh-uh, too dangerous. I'm not going to pay for your fractured spine. The same goes for surfing, hunting, bicycling, waterskiing, you name it. Do you get it yet, liberals? When you fall into the safety net, it traps you.Tyrone Slothrophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12304508836038921013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48226521496895852122012-09-15T14:32:43.710-05:002012-09-15T14:32:43.710-05:00Freeman Hunt .... dang! You need to DEMAND your &q...Freeman Hunt .... dang! You need to DEMAND your "fair share" of that "free lunch money!"..for the home schooling ya' know. <br /><br />Bizztt, dit dit, splitzz, dot dit..."recalculating" ... rescind that last idea, you'd no doubt get a gummint administrator assigned specifically to you and your house, costing $76,000 per year, for which you would be penalized, uh, uhm, er..."taxed" to support. Aridoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18345930150667529742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63886589498592749262012-09-15T14:26:37.017-05:002012-09-15T14:26:37.017-05:00Chip S. said...
Time for a federal midnight-snac...Chip S. said... <br /><br /><i>Time for a federal midnight-snack program.</i><br /><br /><a href="http://www.getangry.com/paintings/AngryGallery2/AngryGallery2-Images/0.jpg" rel="nofollow">Aaaagggghhh....</a><br /><br />:0Aridoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18345930150667529742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81341308786740299812012-09-15T14:24:43.697-05:002012-09-15T14:24:43.697-05:00I'd much rather pay taxes to feed kids (whethe...I'd much rather pay taxes to feed kids (whether rich or poor) 3 meals a day at school rather than have the same money pissed away in the usual current popular governmental fashion (endless obscure development studies, "management conferences," land use "visioning", etc.) While the expenditures for "healthy food" may be wasteful or over-inclusive, at least some kid will get to eat.kenseihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05862691709104545210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21600295267941981142012-09-15T14:19:19.376-05:002012-09-15T14:19:19.376-05:00We homeschool, but the elementary school we are as...We homeschool, but the elementary school we are assigned to has 79% of students on free lunch and 12% on reduced price lunch. That's leaves 9% paying the regular lunch price.Freeman Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202310075717963694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36663889045512379702012-09-15T14:17:14.086-05:002012-09-15T14:17:14.086-05:00Interesting article not long ago floating around s...Interesting article not long ago floating around somewhere, with the quite sensible comment that poverty rates don't measure degree of material deprivation but just the inability of families to support themselves. And tacking on welfare benefit after welfare benefit won't increase self-sufficiency.<br /><br />I once tried to track down the formulas or methods used by the government to set food stamp levels, with no success. I would have expected it to be based on a hypothetical meal plan and average prices, but I couldn't actually figure it out. Food stamp amounts do seem extremely generous when I compare them to what I spend and I'm not sure if they figure everyone buys brand name, steak, and fresh produce in- and out-of-season, at the priciest store rather than at Aldi, or what's going on. Jane the Actuaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899849681883954262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85005020643857443072012-09-15T14:15:29.689-05:002012-09-15T14:15:29.689-05:00Yes, I am familiar with hyperinflation, LilyBart. ...Yes, I am familiar with hyperinflation, LilyBart. I didn't say flooding the market with dollars was a good thing.PatCAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02827568087023000839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14462233606837477732012-09-15T14:11:51.418-05:002012-09-15T14:11:51.418-05:00But the money will never run dry--we have the non-...<i>But the money will never run dry--we have the non-political Bernanke printing more as we speak.</i><br /><br />Are you familiar with hyper-inflation? There are ALWAYS consequences. Always.<br />LilyBarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10110177069779312696noreply@blogger.com