tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post3123505237762470254..comments2024-03-28T17:08:38.428-05:00Comments on Althouse: If the polls don't show John Kasich winning in Ohio...Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger129125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63525601777437695302016-02-24T10:35:10.531-06:002016-02-24T10:35:10.531-06:00BJK said....
Ironically, the best chance to den...BJK said.... <br /><br /><i> Ironically, the best chance to deny Trump the nomination is for Kasich to win the Ohio primary. </i><br /><br />Rubio shold endorse Kasich in Ohio and Kasich shold endorse Rubio in Florida. <br /><br />Is that too complex an idea for the Republican presidential candidates?<br /><br />Sammy Finkelmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05105012664741556033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85496026783579081402016-02-24T10:33:36.717-06:002016-02-24T10:33:36.717-06:00If Trump wins, he'll enforce the law, or take ...If Trump wins, he'll enforce the law, or take stabs at it, until Congress changes it, and it will because they won't like what's happening. He'll make sure they don't like it.Sammy Finkelmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05105012664741556033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34125097064532880902016-02-24T10:31:49.175-06:002016-02-24T10:31:49.175-06:00All of the choices in the poll are wrong.
Kasich...All of the choices in the poll are wrong. <br /><br />Kasich is in second place in Ohio. <br /><br />Rubio should announce that people for him in Ohio should vote for Kasich and Kasich should announce that people for him in Florida should vote for Rubio. Not that there are so many people for Kasich in Florida. But this gives the appearance of equality and in general is advice to undecided voters. <br /><br />And this agreement can be made, unlike some other proposed ideas.Sammy Finkelmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05105012664741556033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53498515375352505752016-02-24T07:38:12.143-06:002016-02-24T07:38:12.143-06:00"The deportations can be done legally...or by..."The deportations can be done legally...or by a mob."<br /><br />At most there will be assaults on people who are assumed to be illegal immigrants, but tracking and rooting out 10 million people, most of whom have people hiding them or looking the other way? About as likely to happen as ridding this country of illegal guns or drugs. <br /><br />I could see some high profile showy deportations to seem like we're "doing something" but I wouldn't bet on this problem getting fixed. If Hillary wins we'll probably see some "stand down" orders to DHS at the very least. If Trump wins, he'll deport about a hundred people and say that he cut the number of illegals in half. After all, he has said you need to inflate your numbers sometimes.Brandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06219319435229314554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-43357483210325788112016-02-24T06:40:51.774-06:002016-02-24T06:40:51.774-06:00And accept the fact--this country will never do un...<b>And accept the fact--this country will never do unconditional deportation, not on a large scale. Rubio won't do it, Trump won't do it, and Clinton absolutely won't do it. If anything, the status quo will continue.</b><br /><br />What the elite don't want to face is:<br /><br />The deportations can be done legally...or by a mob.<br /><br />The option is theirs.<br /><br />Enough people are angry enough where the illegals can be removed, by the authorities or by people less "constrained" than the authorities.damikeschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133230009952160269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37727097807608799032016-02-24T05:30:16.471-06:002016-02-24T05:30:16.471-06:00"You seem appropriately cynical about many po..."You seem appropriately cynical about many politicians on the amnesty issue, but either I missed some previous skepticism you displayed toward Trump...<br /><br />Yes."<br /><br />Then why are you so sure Trump is more trustworthy than Rubio on immigration? An appropriately skeptical person would assume neither could be trusted. Unless you do think they're both equally full of it, which is not what I gathered from your initial response.<br /><br />As for the "let them out and then they can come back in legally" this is a form of amnesty no different than letting them stay if they pay a fine, or give up any chance for future citizenship, or any other conditions we wish to impose. Trump in that sense is no different from any of the "establishment" Republicans who want to do anything short of unconditional deportation.<br /><br />And accept the fact--this country will never do unconditional deportation, not on a large scale. Rubio won't do it, Trump won't do it, and Clinton absolutely won't do it. If anything, the status quo will continue.Brandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06219319435229314554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52179611979223631732016-02-23T18:32:04.062-06:002016-02-23T18:32:04.062-06:00I didn't read all the comments but I agree 100...I didn't read all the comments but I agree 100% with this :<br /><br /><i>The time to stop Trump was during the last four years. We handed the GOP the House and the Senate in 2014 and they have done nothing but capitulate to the Dems agenda like the Vichy. </i>Michael Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18127450762129879267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1023975566757628482016-02-23T18:29:13.065-06:002016-02-23T18:29:13.065-06:00"stop Trump...stop Trump...stop Trump...stop ...<i>"stop Trump...stop Trump...stop Trump...stop Trump..."</i> Boy, you people never stop. The guy will probably win 15 more primaries, half the delegates, and you'll still be scratching your asses asking about what sort of a strategy should be devised at that point to "stop Trump." <br /><br />This sure is a Republican process, isn't it? Denial denial denial. Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Togetherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059991118123693141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30846195963374226682016-02-23T17:20:21.327-06:002016-02-23T17:20:21.327-06:00@ BJK
Ironically, the best chance to deny Trump ...@ BJK<br /><br /><i> Ironically, the best chance to deny Trump the nomination is for Kasich to win the Ohio primary. </i><br /><br />That is a good point, and could be right. But isn't it worse for Rubio or Cruz, if Kasich stays in, but still <i>loses </i> Ohio to Trump?<br /><br />The thought would be for Kasich to drop out, throw his support to Rubio or Cruz, and give them a shot at winning Ohio.<br /><br />It's all a bunch of guesswork, I reckon.Bay Area Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08342949066248487677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89387545653346735172016-02-23T16:54:38.705-06:002016-02-23T16:54:38.705-06:00But there's no reason to expect Kasich to WIN ...But there's no reason to expect Kasich to WIN there at this point. He has years as governor and is STILL losing.damikeschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133230009952160269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44393843592193490652016-02-23T16:36:18.822-06:002016-02-23T16:36:18.822-06:00There's something inherently funny about sugge...There's something inherently funny about suggesting Kasich should get out before the first winner-take-all primary in his home state (where he's the popular, sitting Governor).<br /><br />If the theory is that getting out early helps Trump...nothing hurts Trump more than Kasich winning all of the Ohio delegates. The goal for anti-Trump Republicans should be to deny him a majority of the delegates at the nominating convention; whether those delegates go to Kasich, Rubio, or Cruz (or even Carson) is less important than the delegates not going to Trump. <br /><br />Ironically, the best chance to deny Trump the nomination is for Kasich to win the Ohio primary.<br /><br />I'm ambivalent about Trump as the presumptive front-runner, but asking Kasich to bow out before Ohio is cutting off one's nose to spite their face, IMO.BJKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09041496355169219130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54289827635113492372016-02-23T15:27:54.565-06:002016-02-23T15:27:54.565-06:00"Trump has a lifetime of experience navigatin..."Trump has a lifetime of experience navigating politics and Banks that NYC developer does. He excels at judging winners to work for him." <br> Who Told Trump that Trump U was a good idea? I hope he fired that guy.<br />jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/06250384040393259866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-10265660320647834612016-02-23T15:25:51.649-06:002016-02-23T15:25:51.649-06:00Gusty winds wrote:
This is all just our habitual i...Gusty winds wrote:<br />This is all just our habitual in the moment righteous indignation syndrome we love in America,<br> Righteous indignation going towards Trump suggests that your anger is not so righteous as just angry. I'm angry too. Doesn't mean we have to turn our brains off. jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/06250384040393259866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-78542418660100103612016-02-23T15:22:45.158-06:002016-02-23T15:22:45.158-06:00walter wrote:
“You know what? There’s a point at w...walter wrote:<br />“You know what? There’s a point at which: Let’s get to be a little establishment,” Trump told the crowd at the South Point resort and casino. “We’ve got to get things done folks, OK? Believe me, don’t worry. We’re going to make such great deals.”<br /><br> And at that point those thinking that Trump is giving an f you to the establishment realize the finger is really directed at them. And if anything it was inserted into their rectum. Maybe that's why they didn't notice it earlier. My question is, which establishment? Democratic establishment, or republican establishment. <br />jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/06250384040393259866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67697460624869999022016-02-23T15:16:17.538-06:002016-02-23T15:16:17.538-06:00Brando: If that disqualifies him, then Trump'...Brando: <i> If that disqualifies him, then Trump's previous (and weirdly, continuing at times) support for amnesty should disqualify him as well.</i><br /><br />That <i>in situ</i> amnesties are always disasters has been discussed here. Why "make 'em leave first" can give better results, politically and practically, has been discussed here. (That is, if your goal is to control and limit inflow, which is not the GOPe's goal.)<br /><br />If you are interested in semantics, rather than the empirically-demonstrated consequences of different amnesty policies in the real world, then, yes, support for either would be equally disqualifying. <br /><br /><i>You seem appropriately cynical about many politicians on the amnesty issue, but either I missed some previous skepticism you displayed toward Trump...</i><br /><br />Yes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70660193933987468362016-02-23T15:09:20.464-06:002016-02-23T15:09:20.464-06:00Even if he were winning Ohio he should still get o...Even if he were winning Ohio he should still get out. Assuming the good of the party should be a priority, and that this good does but include Trump, then why would winning Ohio when you have no way whatsoever to the nomination be a justifiable goal.olehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09768758518491157426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-82505128330113320172016-02-23T14:47:43.959-06:002016-02-23T14:47:43.959-06:00“You know what? There’s a point at which: Let’s ge...“You know what? There’s a point at which: Let’s get to be a little establishment,” Trump told the crowd at the South Point resort and casino. “We’ve got to get things done folks, OK? Believe me, don’t worry. We’re going to make such great deals.”walterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818749187960350810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25685990115320123452016-02-23T14:45:26.864-06:002016-02-23T14:45:26.864-06:00Trump's negatives are higher than Hillary'...Trump's negatives are higher than Hillary's. Just sayin'. If you think he's electable, vote for him. I see him as the mirror image of Obama. Thin-skinned, petulant, narcissitic, arrogant, clueless about foreign policy. Doesn't know what the nuclear triad is. <br /><br />If you want 4 more years of a clueless blowhard, by all means elect him.Stan Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02115187667274388269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37720801897260366892016-02-23T14:43:40.652-06:002016-02-23T14:43:40.652-06:00"Folks like Kristol have openly discussed thi..."Folks like Kristol have openly discussed third party options."<br /><br />Kristol has such a great track record of wrongness I think it's safe to rule out the possibility of any conservative third party run.<br /><br />I think if Trump gets the nomination, things will mostly settle into the Red/Blue divide--while a lot of Republicans and Independents will sit out (and the more moderate ones may swing to the Dems) for the most part there will be party loyalty. But this is an odd year so who knows.Brandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06219319435229314554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32523988856660566242016-02-23T14:41:29.109-06:002016-02-23T14:41:29.109-06:00Excuse me, but this is the link to the Obama's...Excuse me, but this is the link to the Obama's long speech about his church problem.<br /><br />http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88478467<br /><br />Here is the central passage:<br /><br />[quote]<br /><br />Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television sets and YouTube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way. ...<br /><br />In my first book, <i>Dreams From My Father</i>, I describe the experience of my first service at Trinity:<br /><br />"People began to shout, to rise from their seats and clap and cry out, a forceful wind carrying the reverend's voice up into the rafters. And in that single note — hope! — I heard something else: At the foot of that cross, inside the thousands of churches across the city, I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharaoh, the Christians in the lion's den, Ezekiel's field of dry bones. Those stories — of survival and freedom and hope — became our stories, my story. The blood that spilled was our blood, the tears our tears, until this black church, on this bright day, seemed once more a vessel carrying the story of a people into future generations and into a larger world. Our trials and triumphs became at once unique and universal, black and more than black. In chronicling our journey, the stories and songs gave us a meaning to reclaim memories that we didn't need to feel shame about — memories that all people might study and cherish, and with which we could start to rebuild." <br /><br />That has been my experience at Trinity. Like other predominantly black churches across the country, Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety .... The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and, yes, the bitterness and biases that make up the black experience in America.<br /><br />And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children. ... <br /><br />I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can disown my white grandmother — a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed her by on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.<br /><br />Some will see this as an attempt to justify or excuse comments that are simply inexcusable. I can assure you it is not. I suppose the politically safe thing to do would be to move on from this episode and just hope that it fades into the woodwork. We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated bias. ....<br /><br />[unquote]<br /><br />Obama gave a speech that dealt with people's concerns head-on.Mike Sylwesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09987402330015664312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66626729853013876682016-02-23T14:41:01.483-06:002016-02-23T14:41:01.483-06:00The presidency has been moving toward celebrity ov...The presidency has been moving toward celebrity over substance since JFK. Then Nixon went on Laugh-In, Clinton on Aresnio Hall, etc. <br /><br />What we care about is celebrity and people who entertain us on television.<br /><br />Presidents in their post presidency have been cashing in on their celebrity since at least Reagan, who was a celebrity befor he got into politics. Truman wouldn't join any company board after he was president, even though he needed the money, because he believed it would be disrespectful to the office of president. <br /><br />We've had 30 years of debt heaped on future generations by presidents and congresses of both parties. Scores of states and cities in this country are bankrupt.<br /><br />We are the ones who keep electing people who say we don't have to sacrifice, that we can have high spending and low taxes and stick it on the future generations because everything we do will be so great for them they will be able to pay off that debt easily.<br /><br />We will elect anyone who comes across well on TV and gives a good speech and is likeable and funny, even if that person was a draft dodgers or trust fund drunk who didn't hold a steady job until he was 48 years old or a smooth talking part time lawyer with about 10 years of legislative experience as long as they plan on sticking it to future generations and not us.<br /><br />None of the people running on either side is any good because the process we support is all about celebrity bullshit. Who can inspire us to say what a great country we are for sticking it to future generations and sending the very few of us who actually have a sense of duty and sacrifice to get killed in pointless wars. <br /><br />Our elections and political squabbles are entertaining distractions. Obama is no worse than W. Different for sure, but arrogant and incompetent. It's not like Gore or Kerry would have been any better than W. They would have run up the debt for some cause or other and the housing crash would have happened. Vote would not have been stupid enough to get us involved in Iraq but he probably would have sent in more soldiers to liberate and nation build Afghanistan, just as Obama escalated that debacle. <br /><br />Romney would have done a better job with the Obamacare website but he would probably have committed combat troops to Syria and would keep heaping debt on future generations by more tax cuts that don't pay for themselves. He would also probably come up with some pretty report that would wow the analysts at Bain about how we can balance the budget by 2134 if we only slow the growth of spending on food stamps and outsource 30 executive departments to some subsidiaries of Staples.<br /><br />Trump is perfect for the US.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />mcculloughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03168402889404727565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-76246560831520483072016-02-23T14:40:26.225-06:002016-02-23T14:40:26.225-06:00"TV show gone. Deal with, I think, Macy's..."TV show gone. Deal with, I think, Macy's to carry his ties is also gone."<br /><br />If his candidacy fails, I don't think he'll have any trouble getting additional shows and endorsement deals. But I agree there is a risk there.<br /><br />"Could Gingrich have done better? Possibly."<br /><br />I don't know about that--Gingrich has trouble getting support in his own party. Granted, Romney's weakness was that he didn't have great campaign skills (but would have been, I think, a good chief executive), but I have a hard time picturing Gingrich doing better.<br /><br />"One difference, though, is that Rubio ran on a quite specifically anti-amnesty platform. There wasn't wiggle room in what he was saying. He then won and did the opposite. Cruz basically killed that terrible idea off."<br /><br />It's still the biggest knock the right has against him, and very likely will be what keeps him from getting nominated. He could still renege--anyone could--but someone burned once on the issue is less likely to renege than someone who never gets burned no matter how much he flip flops (like saying he'd let all the illegals back in the door of his wall).Brandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06219319435229314554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32845133429278125312016-02-23T14:38:56.506-06:002016-02-23T14:38:56.506-06:00"trump is clearly the only one who can be tru..."trump is clearly the only one who can be trusted"<br />Oh yeah...solid.walterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17818749187960350810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-78503620194236847282016-02-23T14:38:35.903-06:002016-02-23T14:38:35.903-06:00Bay Area Guy: If you are angry at the "estab...Bay Area Guy: <i>If you are angry at the "establishment" and have some strange belief that Trump will cast out the money-changers, and stop all these damn illegals, and slice down the bureaucracy, and save us from Isis and radical Islam -- YOU ARE DREAMING. He is not a savior.</i><br /><br />Thanks, BAG. I have yet to come across anybody who believes that Trump will bring about the Millenium, but if I do, I'll be sure to straighten them out. Not sure what to do about the many anti-Trump types I <i>have</i> come across who have been working themselves into a state of hallucinatory hysteria about Trump voters, though. Keep my distance, I guess.<br /><br /><i>Like ALL politicians, he will make compromises in office to sustain his power, and will let you down, if it's in his political interest.</i><br /><br />Really? Gosh, grandpa, next you're going to go all realtalk about Santa Claus on us, aren't you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51333468237686741292016-02-23T14:29:28.635-06:002016-02-23T14:29:28.635-06:00Tank
On day two, he visited Chuck Schumer and plot...Tank<br /><i>On day two, he visited Chuck Schumer and plotted with him to jam amnesty through with the Gang of Eight. You can't explain this away. He is, as they say, out of trust.</i><br /><br />That is why Rubio won't win the nomination if he won't explain his betrayal. <br /><br />Rubio needs to explain thoughtfully, convincingly and in much detail why he joined the Gang of Eight. He needs to overcome the wide-spread perception that he simply lied about his real immigration position in order to win election to the US Senate. <br /><br />Obama had to explain why he joined and attended a church where the pastor prayed publicly to God to damn America. Obama gave the necessary explanation, and subsequently he was elected President. <br /><br />Here is the text of Obama's speech:<br />http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90040477<br /><br />The person whom Obama threw under the bus was Jeremiah Wright. <br /><br />[quote]<br /><br />... His comments were not only divisive and destructive, but I believe that they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate, and I believe that they do not portray accurately the perspective of the black church.<br /><br />They certainly don't portray accurately my values and beliefs. And, if Rev. Wright thinks that that's political posturing, as he put it, then he doesn't know me very well. And based on his remarks yesterday, well, I may not know him as well as I thought, either. .... <br /><br />But when he states and then amplifies such ridiculous propositions as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS, when he suggests that Minister Farrakhan somehow represents one of the greatest voices of the 20th and 21st century, when he equates the United States' wartime efforts with terrorism, then there are no excuses. They offend me. They rightly offend all Americans. And they should be denounced, and that's what I'm doing very clearly and unequivocally here today. ....<br /><br />[unquote]<br /><br />Rubio needs likewise to throw some people under the bus -- starting with the people who convinced him to join the Gang of Eight -- starting with Republican Senators John McCain, Lindsey Graham and Jeff Flake.Mike Sylwesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09987402330015664312noreply@blogger.com