tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post3007944238405081814..comments2024-03-28T20:36:32.762-05:00Comments on Althouse: Obama's announcement about nuclear weapons.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger171125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75140444381501273652010-04-07T16:26:53.562-05:002010-04-07T16:26:53.562-05:00Oh boy I just read from one poster that "Nucl...Oh boy I just read from one poster that "Nuclear weapons - according to everything we've seen in our history - produce peace." By that logic let us bomb the world to bring peace. But as far as I can tell we still maintain high alert, MAD is still in existence, and a clear warning sent to Iran and Korea that atomic weapons could be used against them. <br />Now in addition maybe we could keep the peace by trying to hold down proliferation?roesch-voltairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07802616989806761662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-42639764581354702922010-04-06T23:03:19.698-05:002010-04-06T23:03:19.698-05:00Libtard: The point remains these weapons are very ...Libtard: <i>The point remains these weapons are very immoral.</i><br /><br />Weapons cannot be immoral. Moron. <br /><br />At least stick to screwing up the economy, idiot. You and your kind are going to get us all killed with your stupidity.Fenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-43215211235662709542010-04-06T22:59:58.913-05:002010-04-06T22:59:58.913-05:00Change: our allies no longer laugh at us, our enem...Change: our allies no longer laugh at us, our enemies now do.<br /><br />This is the stupidty of "proportional response" that the Left sought to impose on Israel. <br /><br /><b>Obama: Do not strike back twice as hard... unless they are Americans. </b>Fenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16734571593963330215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15724561826421652982010-04-06T17:56:07.960-05:002010-04-06T17:56:07.960-05:00The engineering of nuclear weapons is fairly strai...The engineering of nuclear weapons is fairly straight forward. Mr Obama's pronouncement is less so. If one assumes, as I do, that deterrence has to do with uncertainty, Mr Obama has set our nuclear policy, some sixty years old, back considerably. Mr Obama is, my view, an uninformed and an ahistorical ass who will do our county ill.Roger J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12639676792043324100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30383609896214105162010-04-06T17:44:22.529-05:002010-04-06T17:44:22.529-05:00And the Japanese Army DID surrender...it tried to ...And the Japanese Army DID surrender...it tried to prevent the release of the Imperial Rescript accepting the Potsdamm Declaration, but failed. Once the Emperor called on "his" people to endure the unendurable, they acquiesced to Hirohito's Divine Will.<br /><br />Japan is one of the few nations defeated with the largest portion of its army intact...much of the IJA was in China, or New Britain, never defeated, directly.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13846399206688807076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56122452630219119802010-04-06T17:42:05.339-05:002010-04-06T17:42:05.339-05:00Joe beat me to it and more elegantlyJoe beat me to it and more elegantlyRoger J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12639676792043324100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58968830812533200142010-04-06T17:39:52.881-05:002010-04-06T17:39:52.881-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Roger J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12639676792043324100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41721668411492812632010-04-06T17:39:24.007-05:002010-04-06T17:39:24.007-05:00Re Fat Man and Little Boy--Fat man was an implosio...Re Fat Man and Little Boy--Fat man was an implosion type weapon and little boy was a gun type weapon--in the former, critical mass is achieved by igniting an explosive shell and in the latter critical mass is achieved by cramming two pieces of uranium together. <br /><br />Fusion has to do with thermonuclear weapons and, as some have noted wasnt done until the 1950s.Roger J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12639676792043324100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-601434321494843842010-04-06T17:38:45.635-05:002010-04-06T17:38:45.635-05:00No someone is confusing IMPOSION with GUN....both ...No someone is confusing IMPOSION with GUN....both weapons in Japan were Fission. "Little Boy" was a gun-type weapon firing 50-plus kilo's of U-235 into a critical juncture, no compression. "Fat Man" was a Plutonium Pu-239 Implosion weapon, containing a "pit" of ~6 kilo's of 96% Pu-239.<br /><br />In both weapons heavy nuclei were "fissioned" into lighter, more stable elements, releasing large amounts of energy.<br /><br />Fusion involves the fusing of Hydrogen nuclei into heavier Helium nuclei...and so releasing large amounts of energy. The first US fusion device was IVY MIKE, detonated in 1952.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13846399206688807076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-87394484993166868012010-04-06T17:22:25.398-05:002010-04-06T17:22:25.398-05:00Guys, one was fission and one was fusion. I think ...Guys, one was fission and one was fusion. I think Fat Man was fusion, at least the 2nd one was.<br /><br />The whole idea behind the A-bomb dropping was to get the Jap Army to surrender otherwise all of Jap occupied Asia was going to go up in flames along with all those bypassed island fortresses the Japs had.<br /><br />Remember that in addition to about 2-million green Jap troops on the home islands, there were probably at least that many elsewhere in Asia. Additionally, many more civilians would die if the Imperial Army didn't fold its tents and turn over its swords.<br /><br />Jeez, what's next, that we actually lost that war to Antarctica?<br /><br />Snark is actually good for the soul.1775OGGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14855909337030182350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84300176555650985802010-04-06T16:49:17.906-05:002010-04-06T16:49:17.906-05:00Hate to be picky, but fission not fusion. Fusion ...Hate to be picky, but fission not fusion. Fusion is what me and Jesica Alba did last night. It was explosive though and changed her world at least.bagoh20https://www.blogger.com/profile/10915174575358413637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-22762572043235351272010-04-06T16:48:59.815-05:002010-04-06T16:48:59.815-05:00Incidentally, the Japanese Army never surrendered....<i>Incidentally, the Japanese Army never surrendered. They were trained to die first</i>. <br /><br />On the contrary, Japanese Army units, including from the notorious Kwantung Army (Kantou Army) surrendered, following the Imperial Rescript on Surrender, and the issuance of surrender orders by the commanders in the field. <br /><br /><i>The 2 new Fusion Bombs had demonstrated to the Emperor that he had no where left he could hide</i>.<br /><br />They were fission bombs. Fusion bombs weren't used until the 50s.Balfegorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08012196656096263507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-40484073454842979472010-04-06T16:47:59.758-05:002010-04-06T16:47:59.758-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41481464468382597182010-04-06T16:18:42.644-05:002010-04-06T16:18:42.644-05:00Incidentally, the Japanese Army never surrendered....Incidentally, the Japanese Army never surrendered. They were trained to die first. The 2 new Fusion Bombs had demonstrated to the Emperor that he had no where left he could hide. Hirohito had never been trained to die for nothing like the poor suckers who worshiped him at his sun god cult. So he surrendered Japan against the Army's wishes, on condition that he lived and continued as sun god Emperor. Yes, it was all Truman's fault. Hurray for Truman.traditionalguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706120413005530014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-27666293879724966162010-04-06T16:04:24.645-05:002010-04-06T16:04:24.645-05:00The more I think about it the more I realize that ...The more I think about it the more I realize that Obama and his voters are an existential problem for me and my close kins ...<br /><br />mmmm ...g2loqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05794157084239111436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15739430114787462482010-04-06T15:51:33.484-05:002010-04-06T15:51:33.484-05:00Please approve, I'm really a nice and somewhat...Please approve, I'm really a nice and somewhat, occasionally, compliant commenter!<br /><br />"Not a strongly worded letter?" That statement's going a bit too far. We should always have that option in our arsenal, so to speak.<br /><br />What concerns me today is when shall this country officially apologize for dropping the A-Bomb on two Japanese cities. That includes providing gadzillions in reparations to Japan for said hostile act. We should also apologize for creating such a hostile environment that forced the Japanese to react by sending that peaceful task force towards Pearl Harbour!<br /><br />Cheers!1775OGGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14855909337030182350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66526162408533997682010-04-06T15:44:42.864-05:002010-04-06T15:44:42.864-05:00"bagoh20 said...
Tibore,
Moby or not, his p...<i>"bagoh20 said... <br />Tibore,<br /><br />Moby or not, his point is correct as in your surgery analogy since the recovery absolutely required the nuclear knife and would have been impossible or much more costly in lives without it."</i><br /><br />I do not believe that was what he was getting at. My own point was that the bombs themselves at best cleared the way for the US policy to accomplish what it did, and nothing more than that. The bombs on their own were responsible for nothing more than the destruction of cities and the surrender of the former imperalistic regime. It's the morality of the US that accomplished the actual Japanese renaissance. I see <i>his</i> post as an attempt to parody "conservative" views by taking them to an illogical extreme. No one credits the A-bombs for doing anything more than removing that regime. Dropping the bombs without postwar occupation would not have lead to a recovery, whereas not dropping the bombs (and paying severely in lives by implementing the alternative) would likely have, since the ultimate result of that would have been an occupation anyway. The consistent element here is the US occupation and implementation of proper recovery policy, not the atomic bomb's destruction itself.<br /><br />You can't draw a straight line from the A-bombs to the recovery without including the datapoint of the US occupation's governance in-between. Yet, that's what he attempted to do: <i>"The use of nuclear weapons turns poor war-torn economies into highly productive economies... We don't have to guess about the long-term effects of nuclear weapons"</i>. That's somewhat ironic, given that the very next paragraph said <i>"... produce the second-largest economy in the world once they saw were shown the light and the way"</i>. It wasn't the bomb that "shown the light and the way", it was MacArthur and the occupational policies that did that. The only "light" the bombs produced killed the witnesses to it, and did precious little to instruct them of anything other than the folly of taking on a superior industrial power. None of <i>that</i> leads to prosperity.Tiborehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07360541843865827271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4950467344477077632010-04-06T15:26:00.777-05:002010-04-06T15:26:00.777-05:00Si vis pacis parabellum ...
There, sound more sop...Si vis pacis parabellum ...<br /><br />There, sound more sophisticated in Latin but is quite simple actually.<br />Time proven ... will have to be rediscovered, the hard way. Effete people are dangerous to your health.<br /><br />F them all and the tall and the long and the short ....g2loqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05794157084239111436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69601394304273005832010-04-06T15:20:05.030-05:002010-04-06T15:20:05.030-05:00madawaskan: "...you can see a set up for a si...<i>madawaskan: "...you can see a set up for a situation ripe with negative potential."</i><br /><br />Right on! and this is the real problem more than just this one silly policy statement. He is dangerous and is getting nothing for the sacrifices. Our enemies and the smart people with our allies do not see him as smart or clever, just naive and inexperienced. In short: an opportunity and one that may not last. It's very dangerous. <br /><br />His stronger action in Afgan/Pakistan is the only offsetting policy, (yes he does some things I agree with) but in the larger scheme, can be discounted if you want to fight us diplomatically or any other way. It simply weakens us overall.bagoh20https://www.blogger.com/profile/10915174575358413637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6292526318069458602010-04-06T15:14:53.978-05:002010-04-06T15:14:53.978-05:00Fascists like Obama have no concept of honor, and ...Fascists like Obama have no concept of honor, and he certainly has no love for America. With Reagan, Bush you knew that love for America beat within their heart. With Obama, I sense a very dark heart.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11205752419540502278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80804310739715912602010-04-06T15:12:32.500-05:002010-04-06T15:12:32.500-05:00"You can have peace, and you can do it in the...<i>"You can have peace, and you can do it in the next minute. Surrender."</i><br /><br />Give peace a chance. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not Obama, who?bagoh20https://www.blogger.com/profile/10915174575358413637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20438952928469722882010-04-06T15:09:39.918-05:002010-04-06T15:09:39.918-05:00bagoh - unilateral disarmament is unilateral surre...bagoh - unilateral disarmament is unilateral surrender. Regan said it best in his 1964 speech -<br /><br />"You can have peace, and you can do it in the next minute. Surrender."<br /><br />But Reagan understood that it's better to die on your feet then live on bended knee.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11205752419540502278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-90248313685807608882010-04-06T15:09:15.280-05:002010-04-06T15:09:15.280-05:00And I can't state this often enough-but before...And I can't state this often enough-but before I leave the thread and I really have to get going, bluffing, obfuscation and not speaking clearly all of that -and its accompanying perils gets amplified a thousand times in foreign policy.<br /><br />When you couple this with Obama's <i>actions</i> start with his trajectory on missile defense and add to that his treatment of long held allies-Britain, Israel- perhaps Canada, Australia,and Japan and you can see a set up for a situation ripe with negative potential.Chennaul https://www.blogger.com/profile/09259086579871139667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51913018650822486592010-04-06T15:07:14.005-05:002010-04-06T15:07:14.005-05:00The argument on the left side here has gotten slig...The argument on the left side here has gotten slightly better, but is now only:<br /><br />1) Nuclear weapons are really bad.<br /><br />2) Reagan did it too<br /><br />So I offer equally good reasoning:<br /><br />1) Unilateral disarmament and then attack those who don't do similar with conventional weapons to force them. It's immoral after all to have them.<br /><br />2) Tell us how much you love Reagan now. Alpha even remembers the world wide leftist protests against him and his refusal to disarm, which confuses me since he is now a leftist hero.bagoh20https://www.blogger.com/profile/10915174575358413637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-64775852263363892162010-04-06T15:02:20.702-05:002010-04-06T15:02:20.702-05:00Makes you wonder what the real unemployment figure...Makes you wonder what the <i>real</i> unemployment figure was under Bush. Funny it never came up then. Couldn't have been too good when we were bleeding 750k jobs per month.garage mahalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06485491995866513686noreply@blogger.com