tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post2554238282603885344..comments2024-03-28T18:45:48.941-05:00Comments on Althouse: "What is odd is to have a president so convinced of his own magnificence — yet not of his own country's."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger388125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-5092617505261552052014-04-20T16:16:48.751-05:002014-04-20T16:16:48.751-05:00As to Obama's personal arrogance: which Presid...As to Obama's personal arrogance: which President in our lifetime wasn't arrogant? The path to the job and the job itself requires supreme confidence; otherwise, you'll be broken overnight. http://goo.gl/UuchIeAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16689362466601155038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7404868584605925682010-07-13T19:04:06.798-05:002010-07-13T19:04:06.798-05:00I figured "stand aside" meant he was gon...I figured "stand aside" meant he was gonna fart. A courtesy warning, if you will.<br /><br />(I was right!)blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63301603152445259222010-07-13T19:02:12.773-05:002010-07-13T19:02:12.773-05:00Idiot: the Constitution does not define "natu...Idiot: the Constitution does not define "natural born citizen." The definition you conveniently give exists nowhere. You are making this shit up from whole cloth. Of course no one can prove you wrong because the shit you cite doesn't actually exist.<br /><br />Obama was born in the United States of a person from Kansas. Ergo, in two different ways is he an American from birth.<br /><br />Why do you persist in fighting a battle you have utterly no chance at winning on any practical, concrete level? No one will remove Obama from office based on your horse shit arguments. You are a loon. You are doing a great disservice to legitimate conservative causes.<br /><br />Finally, what does "stand aside" even mean? Stand aside of what? You are a powerless gnat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85561733186441186362010-07-13T06:00:39.277-05:002010-07-13T06:00:39.277-05:00Still NO One can prove me wrong, and false conserv...Still NO One can prove me wrong, and false conservatives ignore insurmountable evidence that Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen, and is Usurping the office. NO ONE can tell me where it says that those born of alien parents in the US are Natural Born Citizens, eligible to be POTUS (because it doesn't). There is massive evidence that I am correct, and the thought that no one will remove him is your opinion, but certainly should not be the reason that he should be allowed to stay. You are saying that we are not a nation of laws, and you are allowing change to the Constitution by Usurpation. You do not really love this country or it's Constitution. Stand aside false constitutionalist.Mickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864660386925998491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-982807301470798092010-07-12T11:50:43.220-05:002010-07-12T11:50:43.220-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67639893981828710742010-07-12T11:48:59.906-05:002010-07-12T11:48:59.906-05:00You're an idiot, dude, and Revenant is right t...You're an idiot, dude, and Revenant is right that it's pointless to quibble with you over your magical definition of "natural born citizen," which is nowhere defined in the Constitution.<br /><br />You should consider, however, your insurmountable practical problem. No court is ever, <i>ever</i> going to attempt to oust the duly elected President of the United States. Nor will Congress choose to do so since Obama has committed no high crime or misdemeanor by existing.<br /><br />Moreover, you need to understand that you are a loon and you greatly discredit conservatives everywhere with your groundless, bat shit absurd arguments. Obama is more likely to succeed with enemies like you, not less likely.<br /><br />Finally, no one is going to "stand aside" of you because you have no power and no one takes you seriously. No one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37508378795805607212010-07-12T09:27:23.733-05:002010-07-12T09:27:23.733-05:00blake said...
Really? so the Constitutional eligi...blake said... <br />Really? so the Constitutional eligibility of the POTUS, the most owerful position, is violated by a <br /><br />See, this is where you go WAY off the rails. <br /><br />"...is violated by a..."<br /><br />Doesn't matter if he's a Marxist or not. If he's eligible, he's eligible. <br /><br />You hate the guy; you want him gone. Fine, but you're not winning converts, and you're really not helping anything."<br /><br /><br />You're right, it doesn't matter who it's violated by, but Obama is a particularly pernicious, and dangerous violator. He is not a Natural Born Citizen because his father was never a citizen, no matter where Obama 2 was born. Where does it say that simple birth in the US makes one a Natural Born Citizen, eligible to be POTUS? (Clue:<br />It doesn't anywhere.)<br />Stand aside.Mickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864660386925998491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-88155117970774337472010-07-12T09:22:52.751-05:002010-07-12T09:22:52.751-05:00Seven Machos said,
"Where in any existing la...Seven Machos said,<br /><br />"Where in any existing law is citizen defined this way, loon? Do you realize how fucking dumb this is? Do you realize how many Americans would not be Americans today if this were the law? Because if an immigrant married an immigrant, their offspring and the offspring of their offspring could never be "true" Americans."<br /><br /><br />See the post above. A handful of US Citizenship cases have defined Natural Born Citizen in Dicta.<br />The Venus (1814)<br />Dred Scott (1854)<br />Minor v. Happersett (1874)<br />Wong Kim Ark (1898)<br />Perkins v. Elg (1934)<br /><br />I provide all documentation needed to prove what a Natural Born Citizen is. Where is your proof that birth in the US (and Obama has yet to prove that, but I will give it to you) makes one a Natural Born Citizen (which is different from "American Citizen"), eligible to be President.<br />If 2 immigrants (non naturalized) give birth in the US, the child can never be Natural Born (it is a circumstance of birth, thus the name), but they can become citizens by election at the age of majority if the parents:<br />A) gain legal residence and domicile.<br />B)become naturalized.<br />Natural Born Citizenship is only 2 generations silly it doesn't go back to the Mayflower. If those immigrants naturalized, and then had a child, then the child is Natural Born, with eligibility to be POTUS. That is the most Naturally occurring citizen. Natural Born Citizens have no more rights than a Naturalized citizen. The only difference is POTUS eligibility. Me? I was born in the US of 2 US Citizen parents, that makes me a NaturalBorn Citizen.Mickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864660386925998491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-55784965173034943862010-07-12T09:12:06.255-05:002010-07-12T09:12:06.255-05:00Revenant said...
"Where in any existing law ...Revenant said... <br />"Where in any existing law is citizen defined this way, loon?<br /><br />Why are you trying to reason someone out of a position he didn't reason himself into?<br /><br />Honestly, now, he's demanding people prove that being born in a country counts as being natural born. That's like asking people to prove that red means red. Just let it go."<br /><br /><br />Right, so the framers just put random words and phrases in the USC that don't mean anything. Why wouldn't they just say a "Native Born Citizen" if they just meant born in the US? Here's a little help for you, from Minor v. Happersett (1874) and repeated verbatum in Wong Kim Ark in 1898:<br /><br />"The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their <br /><br />Page 88 U. S. 168<br /><br />parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first." <br /><br />It says the meaning is not in the USC, and also says that if born of foreignors, there are doubts that you should even be considered a citizen. Natural Born DEFINITELY equals Born in the US of US Citizen parents. Obama is ineligible.Mickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864660386925998491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-18726570214601520222010-07-12T09:05:03.793-05:002010-07-12T09:05:03.793-05:00Seven Machos said,
"Obama was born in the Un...Seven Machos said,<br /><br />"Obama was born in the United States, which makes him American. Even if he wasn't born in the United States, his mother was an American, which makes him an American pursuant to somebody filling out a form at some point over the course of a decade or so."<br /><br /><br /><br />First, although it doesn't matter (but it does) if Obama were born in the White House (and since when is a pic on a biased website and the carefully parsed words of the Hi. "health director" proof of anything). The Usurper is Not a Natural Born Citizen, which is the requirement for POTUS, not "American". Natural Born Citizens are born in the US of US Citizen Parents. Obama's father was never a citizen, much less at his birth, and Obama admits to dual citizenship (Britain) at birth. Where does it say that birth in the US makes one a Natural Born Citizen, eligible to be POTUS? I'm waiting.(Clue: It doesn't say it anywhere).Mickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864660386925998491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-28785540853299914862010-07-12T00:31:15.960-05:002010-07-12T00:31:15.960-05:00Where in any existing law is citizen defined this ...<i>Where in any existing law is citizen defined this way, loon?</i><br /><br />Why are you trying to reason someone out of a position he didn't reason himself into?<br /><br />Honestly, now, he's demanding people prove that being born in a country counts as being natural born. That's like asking people to prove that red means red. Just let it go.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70996168955672566482010-07-11T22:34:34.800-05:002010-07-11T22:34:34.800-05:00Really? so the Constitutional eligibility of the P...<i>Really? so the Constitutional eligibility of the POTUS, the most owerful position, is violated by a </i><br /><br />See, this is where you go WAY off the rails. <br /><br />"...is violated by a..."<br /><br />Doesn't matter if he's a Marxist or not. If he's eligible, he's eligible. <br /><br />You hate the guy; you want him gone. Fine, but you're not winning converts, and you're really not helping anything.blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67478706871754755162010-07-11T19:46:48.946-05:002010-07-11T19:46:48.946-05:00The dicta of that case could define Natural Born C...<i>The dicta of that case could define Natural Born Citizen (Born in the US of US Citizen Parents)</i><br /><br />Where in any existing law is citizen defined this way, loon? Do you realize how fucking dumb this is? Do you realize how many Americans would not be Americans today if this were the law? Because if an immigrant married an immigrant, their offspring and the offspring of their offspring could never be "true" Americans. <br /><br />Yeah, dude, let's have a caste system of citizenship. That's a good idea.<br /><br />Also, Mick: please prove to us that you are a natural-born American by showing that there were two natural-born Americans in your direct ancestry. Because if not, rube, you are a fucking foreigner. Go home!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71165886107554170142010-07-11T19:36:03.358-05:002010-07-11T19:36:03.358-05:00Mick -- You are a complete and total moron twistin...Mick -- You are a complete and total moron twisting yourself in logical loops to try to argue law you do not understand. How are you a "natural born citizen" but Obama is not?<br /><br />Obama was born in the United States, which makes him American. Even if he wasn't born in the United States, his mother was an American, which makes him an American pursuant to somebody filling out a form at some point over the course of a decade or so.<br /><br />Don't taint the perfectly sound and reasonable opposition to Obama with your gross stupidity and irrationality.<br /><br />Jesus. It's idiots like you that give conservatism a bad name. Idiots like you and anti-Semitic idiots like Cedarford. Go the fuck away. Shut the fuck up. Die.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-8565337191813560252010-07-11T18:16:27.735-05:002010-07-11T18:16:27.735-05:00blake said...
"Mick is making my head hurt...blake said... <br /> "Mick is making my head hurt.<br /><br />Dude, please, give it up for now?<br /><br />There was no way The O-Mighty was going to be disqualified, even if he HAD been born in Kenya. He's sure as hell not going to be disqualified NOW. Even if you're absolutely 100% right, the implications of victory on this front would be traumatic in the extreme."<br /><br /><br /><br />Really? so the Constitutional eligibility of the POTUS, the most owerful position, is violated by a Marxist trying to "fundamentally change" America, and it doesn't matter because you think there is no way to get him out without massive civil disturbamce? Doesn't work that way. I am absolutely correct, and I aim to make as many people as possible aware, because that is what it will take. Just sit back and let those of us with their eyes open uphold the Constitution. it's useless citizens like you that have allowed this to happen, and continue to allow it. Quo Warranto in the DC district is the Constitutional avenue to oust him. It could also come during a SCOTUS hearing on the AZ.Immigration law. The dicta of that case could define Natural Born Citizen (Born in the US of US Citizen Parents) in it's dicta discussing citizenship, and de facto declare the Usurper ineligible. Your logic is astoundingly bad. The main purpose of the SCOTUS is to uphold the Constitution "though the heavens shall fall". We are a nation of laws. Just because the mob says that Obama is the POTUS doesn't mean that we have to accept an ineligible POTUS that is intent on destroying the foundation of this country by overloading it. Stand aside.Mickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864660386925998491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59352766219444962742010-07-11T13:58:25.140-05:002010-07-11T13:58:25.140-05:00Mick is making my head hurt.
Dude, please, give i...Mick is making my head hurt.<br /><br />Dude, please, give it up for now?<br /><br />There was no way The O-Mighty was going to be disqualified, even if he HAD been born in Kenya. He's sure as hell not going to be disqualified NOW. Even if you're absolutely 100% right, the implications of victory on this front would be traumatic in the extreme.<br /><br />If you really feel strongly about it, just join some group for passing some kind of law or amendment that details more specifically and unambiguously the issue in question. <br /><br />After the current guy is out of office.<br /><br />The deal is done. If it offends you, make sure it doesn't happen again. The 22nd amendment wasn't passed until 1951.blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70552227931872193752010-07-11T12:52:28.661-05:002010-07-11T12:52:28.661-05:00FLS: "When I see righties take responsibility...FLS: "When I see righties take responsibility for the evils done in the name of capitalism: BP oil spill, deaths in the unsafe coal mine, child labor at Agriprocessors, the Triangle Shirtwaist fire -- you do feel responsible for all of these, correct?"<br /><br />Yep, industrial accidents never happen in communist paradise. And they never had children correction facilities there either.Norahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15401100627066769252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85147240786589644232010-07-11T11:23:59.142-05:002010-07-11T11:23:59.142-05:00It should also be noted that Marx's writings w...It should also be noted that Marx's writings were largely shaped on him being financially beholden to Ingels, who bankrolled him for years and Marx felt was too stingy in that regard.damikeschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133230009952160269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37153642240733725542010-07-11T10:18:31.838-05:002010-07-11T10:18:31.838-05:00So there's no new crime. The law just assesses...<i>So there's no new crime. The law just assesses additional penalties to people who violate federal laws.</i><br /><br />When the bill was signed into law, the state of Arizona had one more crime than it did moments before. But it's nice to see you admit Arizona is trespassing in the Federal sphere.<br /><br />What if Arizona decided to add additional penalties to people who cheat on their Federal income tax? Would you have no problem with that, either?former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85662568193883579972010-07-11T07:49:53.362-05:002010-07-11T07:49:53.362-05:00Seven Machos said...
WHERE does it say that anyon...Seven Machos said... <br />WHERE does it say that anyone born in the US is a Natural Born Citizen, eligible to be POTUS?<br /><br />Right here:<br /><br />U.S. Code. TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401 Nationals and citizens of United States at birth<br /><br />The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:<br /><br />(a) a person born in the United States<br /><br />***<br /><br />United States Constitution<br />Article 2 - The Executive Branch<br />Section 1 - The President<br /><br />No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President<br /><br />***<br /><br />Dumb ass."<br /><br /><br /><br />Of course you are wrong. You arre playing the silly relativist game of making an assumption, that a "citizen at birth" is a "Natural Born Citizen". No where in Title 8 do the words "natural Born" appear. Congress cannot change the meaning of Natural Born Citizen without the amendment process. They can't legislate the original meaning, that has never been ammended. The only time that the words "natural born" appear in Naturalization legislation was in NA 1790, and it was removed in 1795. Nice try though, wanna try again?Mickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864660386925998491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-42949565421926876152010-07-10T23:45:50.283-05:002010-07-10T23:45:50.283-05:00And here's the relevant bit:
a person is guil...And here's the relevant bit:<br /><br /><i>a person is guilty of willful failure to complete or carry an alien registration document if the person is in violation of 8 United States Code section 1304(e) or 1306(a).</i><br /><br />So there's no new crime. The law just assesses additional penalties to people who violate federal laws. This is constitutional; states have done it for decades with drug crimes.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69337111230124103072010-07-10T23:11:15.933-05:002010-07-10T23:11:15.933-05:00(cont'd because of length)
1. A class 3 felo...(cont'd because of length)<br /><br /><i>1. A class 3 felony if the person violates this section while in possession of any of the following:<br /><br />(a) A dangerous drug as defined in section 13-3401.<br /><br />(b) Precursor chemicals that are used in the manufacturing of methamphetamine in violation of section 13-3404.01.<br /><br />(c) A deadly weapon or a dangerous instrument, as defined in section 13-105.<br /><br />(d) Property that is used for the purpose of committing an act of terrorism as prescribed in section 13-2308.01.<br /><br />2. A class 4 felony if the person either:<br /><br />(a) Is convicted of a second or subsequent violation of this section. <br /><br />(b) Within sixty months before the violation, has been removed from the United States pursuant to 8 United States Code section 1229a or has accepted a voluntary removal from the United States pursuant to 8 United States Code section 1229c. END_STATUTE<br /><br /></i>former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77038971407710462082010-07-10T23:10:09.327-05:002010-07-10T23:10:09.327-05:00Drat, the strikethroughs didn't show up. Convi...Drat, the strikethroughs didn't show up. Conviction carries a fine of $100 plus either twenty days in jail (first offense) or thirty days in jail (second offense). But the defendant is not SOL: The statute provides that evidence of the right to live in the US may be admitted by the court.<br /><br />Go to http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/h.sb1070_asamendedbyhb2162.doc.htm to see what's left<br /><br /><i><br /><br />13-1509. Willful failure to complete or carry an alien registration document; assessment; exception; authenticated records; classification<br /><br />A. In addition to any violation of federal law, a person is guilty of willful failure to complete or carry an alien registration document if the person is in violation of 8 United States Code section 1304(e) or 1306(a).<br /><br />B. In the enforcement of this section, an alien's immigration status may be determined by:<br /><br />1. A law enforcement officer who is authorized by the federal government to verify or ascertain an alien's immigration status.<br /><br />2. The United States immigration and customs enforcement or the United States customs and border protection pursuant to 8 United States Code section 1373(c). <br /><br />C. A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not consider race, color or national origin in the enforcement of this section except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona constitution.<br /><br />C. D. A person who is sentenced pursuant to this section is not eligible for suspension of sentence, probation, pardon, commutation of sentence, or release from confinement on any basis except as authorized by section 31‑233, subsection A or B until the sentence imposed by the court has been served or the person is eligible for release pursuant to section 41-1604.07.<br /><br />D. E. In addition to any other penalty prescribed by law, the court shall order the person to pay jail costs. and an additional assessment in the following amounts:<br /><br />1. At least five hundred dollars for a first violation.<br /><br />2. Twice the amount specified in paragraph 1 of this subsection if the person was previously subject to an assessment pursuant to this subsection.<br /><br />E. A court shall collect the assessments prescribed in subsection D of this section and remit the assessments to the department of public safety, which shall establish a special subaccount for the monies in the account established for the gang and immigration intelligence team enforcement mission appropriation. Monies in the special subaccount are subject to legislative appropriation for distribution for gang and immigration enforcement and for county jail reimbursement costs relating to illegal immigration.<br /><br />F. This section does not apply to a person who maintains authorization from the federal government to remain in the United States.<br /><br />G. Any record that relates to the immigration status of a person is admissible in any court without further foundation or testimony from a custodian of records if the record is certified as authentic by the government agency that is responsible for maintaining the record.<br /><br />H. A violation of this section is a class 1 misdemeanor, except that the maximum fine is one hundred dollars and for a first violation of this section is: the court shall not sentence the person to more than twenty days in jail and for a second or subsequent violation the court shall not sentence the person to more than thirty days in jail.</i>former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2943134893682872572010-07-10T22:36:58.139-05:002010-07-10T22:36:58.139-05:00Further, SB1070 as modified by HB2162 creates a ne...<i>Further, SB1070 as modified by HB2162 creates a new state crime of failing to carry immigration documents.</i><br /><br />No, it doesn't.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75272949766882650882010-07-10T21:15:07.593-05:002010-07-10T21:15:07.593-05:00Bruce, I guess then you would be an 11th cousin of...Bruce, I guess then you would be an 11th cousin of the great Senator, Carl Hayden, namesake of the current Tempe, AZ.former law studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196697206046544350noreply@blogger.com