tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post2302682030097766965..comments2024-03-28T06:36:00.295-05:00Comments on Althouse: "Why America Keeps Getting More Conservative."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger67125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23066971450758209862012-02-14T04:45:40.441-06:002012-02-14T04:45:40.441-06:00I think that there are lot of things going on here...I think that there are lot of things going on here. <br /><br />One is that liberalism/progressivism is a demostrable failure. Obama, Reid, Pelosi, and their partisans have done enormous harm to our economy during the six years since Reid and Pelosi took over in Congress (and, the Republican House is almost powerless on their own to counter this). The "blue" state model is likewise an abject failure, with the states following it the most closely, being in the worst shape.<br /><br />So, our "bettters" think that they are better able to plan the economy than the free market can? Abject fail. <br /><br />Also, this liberal model is inherently corruption. The middle class get poorer under it, while the politically connected get rich off them. Massive amounts of money are squandered, much of it ending up in their pockets. We are seeing a level of crony capitalism that is mind-boggling, where investing in K-street lobbyists pays 10,000% ROI, while interest rates are in the low single digits. <br /><br />Not only is liberalism fiscally corrupt, but it also engenders a much higher level of corruption throughout the rest of the government. For example, we are seeing a Department of Justice far more corrupt than probably any of us have seen in our lifetimes. We have Fast and Furious (etc.), where the DoJ has released maybe 10% of the documents requested by Congress, and much of them were heavily redacted. All, supposedly in deference to their IG investigation - ignoring that the IG is a Holder crony from when he was the DC USA under Clinton. You also need to throw in selective political enforcement of voting and other laws. <br /><br />So, with the economy almost in free fall, through enactment of liberal/progressive policies by liberal/progressive politicians, and the examples of their corruption becoming ever more obvious, it is probably no surprise that so many want to go back to where we were before these people took over. <br /><br />And, now, we see how ObamaCare is being implemented, ignoring religious beliefs and economic reality for partisan advantage. We see how they lied through their teeth to each other and the American public to get this massive power grab enacted. And, how they continue to lie and spin, as the reality of the monstrosity they enacted becomes apparent as the thousands of pages of required regulations are implemented in a nakedly partisan way.Bruce Haydenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10815293023158025662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-8125228104604804052012-02-13T18:23:42.448-06:002012-02-13T18:23:42.448-06:00"All these liberal, knowledge-based professio..."All these liberal, knowledge-based professionals ought to be able to apply their big brains to the puzzle..."<br /><br />Oh, I think they did JUST that.<br /><br />In Richard Florida's first article about the continuing conservative trend per Gallup Poll's 3/11 data, he says this:<br /><br />"Liberalism, which is stronger in richer, better-educated, more-diverse, and, especially, more prosperous places, is shrinking across the board and has fallen behind conservatism even in its biggest strongholds. This obviously poses big challenges for liberals, the Obama administration, and the Democratic Party moving forward."<br /><br />So now we have new Gallup data showing the same conservative trend. I assume this would still be a big challenge for liberals, Obama and the Democratic Party, but no word of that this time. Instead he reinforces "the deep cleavages of income, education, and class that divide America." <br /><br />So? Is this really about "class divides" or more about how liberals, Obama and the Democratic Party have become "CLASS DIVIDERS" for political reasons?Pennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02094488084214911115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7994522265345596912012-02-13T16:04:25.645-06:002012-02-13T16:04:25.645-06:00Scott M said...
Have you seen who turns out a...<i>Scott M said...<br /><br /> Have you seen who turns out at an SEIU rally? Mostly blacks and Latinos.<br /><br /> I don't know about were you've been to these rallies, Tyrone, but they are as white as any Tea Party rally here in St Louis.</i><br /><br /><br />I don't know whose post you're reading, but I was talking about California, a subject many seem to think they know a great deal about.Tyrone Slothrophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12304508836038921013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-72872168509789467862012-02-13T15:47:14.406-06:002012-02-13T15:47:14.406-06:00Americans, when they got to vote, only have two ch...Americans, when they got to vote, only have two choices. Controlled by insiders. Where both parties continue favoring only insiders.<br /><br />The republican party has labeled itself the party of pro-life, and anti-drug. While a large majority of voters hate the wars we have been involved in: From Korea, on down. Plus, the "war on drugs."<br /><br />"EVOLUTION" is a word that belongs "to the other side." And, today, at REDDIT, Pirate Bay had their opinion posted ... that the government (both sides) are "anti-reolution." We've used treaties with other nations to foist the views of a few in the entertainment industry ... to the point the FBI can arrest the owner of MegaUpload in New Zealand.<br /><br />It's turning out that the USA's executive branch, have been strong-arming lots of nations ... from Canada, to the EU, to all sign up on "copyright infringement laws" designed to take down the freedoms people enjoy on the Internet.<br /><br />The right wing crazies are hurting the "other choice label." And, in good time these things blow up.<br /><br />Include, now, that citizens in lots of other countries are anti-American. And, they're screaming mad. Taking to the streets. To counter the cowardly signing of "treaty agreements" with the USA in SECRET.<br /><br />Will this give another person access to an Independent run for the 2012 presidency? I have no idea. I only saw Ross Perot come out of the gate on Larry King Live. And, the elder Bush lost his re-election.<br /><br />Yes, the country is "going conservative." Back in the 1930's, with Hitler on the march, a majority in this country was ISOLATIONIST. It took Pearl Harber to change things.<br /><br />And, up ahead? Maybe, threatening the Internet with the signed secret treaties ... Beginning with Dubya in 2006. And, having so many citizens, world wide, having their eyes opening up now ...<br /><br />It doesn't look so good for "conservatives," since Pirate Bay has gone on record of saying the USA is against EVOLUTION.<br /><br />You can always thank Dubya for the highs he got ... sailing into Irak and Afghanistan. Perhaps, he thought all the soldiers who've died will "go to heaven?"Carol_Hermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16629820011087370488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11685745497693913912012-02-13T15:03:31.955-06:002012-02-13T15:03:31.955-06:00Because blue collar people don't underestimate...Because blue collar people don't underestimate the abilities of people of their class or lower classess, and highly educated professional do. It has been my experience that highly educated professionals who are not the first generation of their family to have gone to college usually don't even know any working class people on a personal level so they don't have any clue about their real lives or abilities. Working class people tend to live with and or work with the leisure class at the bottom of the economic spectrum and don't think it is fair for the government (i.e., them) to support that life style.carriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18161943772504435936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53202581938902552372012-02-13T14:58:20.306-06:002012-02-13T14:58:20.306-06:00Because liberals aborted their offspringsBecause liberals aborted their offspringsJose_Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09719969512996039279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35208286615246247462012-02-13T14:43:09.978-06:002012-02-13T14:43:09.978-06:00goethean sagt...
It's okay. Democrats can lose...goethean sagt...<br /><i>It's okay. Democrats can lose all of the dark green states and still win the Presidency.</i><br /><br />Was wäre eine dunkelgrüne Staat sein, Johann?chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80884329359724178962012-02-13T14:35:32.073-06:002012-02-13T14:35:32.073-06:00It's okay. Democrats can lose all of the dark ...It's okay. Democrats can lose all of the dark green states and still win the Presidency.goetheanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15719480062271188223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29653111705610339722012-02-13T14:31:11.969-06:002012-02-13T14:31:11.969-06:00"A rising tide raises all boats"
~JFK
..."A rising tide raises all boats" <br />~JFK<br /><br />"An ebbing tide strands the yachts first" <br />~the antiJFKchickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-72641926129491474782012-02-13T14:24:32.205-06:002012-02-13T14:24:32.205-06:00Have you seen who turns out at an SEIU rally? Most...<i>Have you seen who turns out at an SEIU rally? Mostly blacks and Latinos.</i><br /><br />I don't know about were you've been to these rallies, Tyrone, but they are as white as any Tea Party rally here in St Louis.Scott Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02459388007426664813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32791880758684537432012-02-13T14:18:56.765-06:002012-02-13T14:18:56.765-06:00YoungHegelian said...
Am I missing something?
Ye...<i>YoungHegelian said...<br /><br />Am I missing something?</i><br /><br />Yes, you are. Outside of the minorities on your list, the groups you name are the "liberal, knowledge-based professionals." I would take issue with your inclusion of "the middle class" in your list, a notoriously ill-defined group of people, and by any measure a large one. Are there "middle class" Democrats in California? Sure, I guess so. Do blue-collar, white middle class voters in California vote the Democrat line? No.<br /><br />Here's your list:<br /><br /><i>Let's see, the Hollywood limousine liberals</i><br /><br />Knowledge-based professional and creative workers.<br /><br /><i> ...the genteel poor student/university crowd,</i><br /><br />Knowledge-based professional and creative workers<br /><br /><i> ...the middle class</i><br /><br />I've addressed that.<br /><br /><br /><i>...mostly white state unions</i><br /><br />Have you seen who turns out at an SEIU rally? Mostly blacks and Latinos.<br /><br /><i> ...like the prison guards</i><br /><br />Not exactly a "class." <br /><br /><i>...and the left wing of the IT crowd.</i><br /><br />Knowledge-based professional and creative workers.<br /><br />You know, I think you've gone a long way in proving my point.Tyrone Slothrophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12304508836038921013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58124028073604149972012-02-13T13:54:09.236-06:002012-02-13T13:54:09.236-06:00"All these liberal, knowledge-based professio..."All these liberal, knowledge-based professionals ought to be able to apply their big brains to the puzzle of why the working class folk they'd like to think they champion."<br /><br />Liberal elitists such as John Kerry, Warren Buffett, Kaiser, NYT's Pinch, the Obamas , the Kennedys, and the Clintons championed the working class to deflect criticisms and profited themselves. How much did the working class benefit from the Stimulus? How much did billionaire Kaiser? How much did working class benefit from not constructing the Keystone Pipeline? How much did Warren Buffett profit from not constructing the Pipeline? How much did the boat building working class profit from not building John Kerry's enormous yacht? The Kennedys raped young girls, the Clintons moved eight truck loads of furniture from the White House when they left. The Obamas raise billions from billionaire bundlers. Union bosses retreat in Hawaii 5-star resorts. Think the working class don't notice? They may not notice when they were working their butts off to put foods on their tables. They notice plenty when they don't have works and spend their days surfing the web, reading newpapers, channel surfing to Fox to glimpse MSM-embargoed news. The working class may not have the right credentials but they are not stupid. Fool them once, ...ichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09211087258286440952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34706886604861072642012-02-13T13:21:50.551-06:002012-02-13T13:21:50.551-06:00I'm not saying people love participating. I...I'm not saying people love participating. I'm saying they love the idea. People love the idea of a big government apparatus that will take care of them. Remember what happened when Bush tried to privatize social security?<br /><br /><br /><br />Yeah.<br />Guys like you were afraid they'd have to take care of grandma.Rustyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938263272237104128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59135252661421225792012-02-13T12:50:12.464-06:002012-02-13T12:50:12.464-06:00Is homosexuality a choice?
Depends on what decade...<i>Is homosexuality a choice?</i><br /><br />Depends on what decade you're talking about.Scott Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02459388007426664813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67722195656324949252012-02-13T12:48:28.622-06:002012-02-13T12:48:28.622-06:00@Tank,
Anytime you rely on people self-identifyin...@Tank,<br /><br /><i>Anytime you rely on people self-identifying, or analyzing themselves, you are in trouble.</i><br /><br />Ain't that the truth.<br /><br />see: "Is homosexuality a choice?"Nathan Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17618170642379567187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84132330795443205712012-02-13T12:46:49.405-06:002012-02-13T12:46:49.405-06:00"Liberal" is a bit of a dirty word in Am...<i>"Liberal" is a bit of a dirty word in America, but people love their social security and Medicare. </i><br /><br />Should be changed to:<br /><i>"Liberal" is a bit of a dirty word in America, because people would like to get at least some of the money back via their social security and Medicare that was taken under liberal false pretenses.</i><br /><br />See? No conflict when you drop ideological propaganda and use factual information.Nathan Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17618170642379567187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-22766777680469283942012-02-13T12:34:02.691-06:002012-02-13T12:34:02.691-06:00"Athenians, I must tell you the truth; verily..."Athenians, I must tell you the truth; verily, by the dog of Egypt, this was the result of the search which I made at God's bidding. I found that the men, whose reputation for wisdom stood the highest, were nearly the most lacking in it; while others, who were looked down on as common people, were much better fitted to learn."<br /><br />Socrates, The Apologymtrobertsattorneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09428761048285792427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-22555547641447313412012-02-13T12:28:31.793-06:002012-02-13T12:28:31.793-06:00Andy R: I get a little thing from Social Security...Andy R: I get a little thing from Social Security every six months or so telling me how much I have "contributed." I have been "contributing" since I was 15 years old, over fifty years. I can promise you that had I been able to invest that money on my own, privately, I would have made one heck of a lot more than I am going to get back from SS. And, in addition, what I did not spend in my lifetime I could have given to my heirs. Social Security is the very definition of a Ponzi scheme.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08258681007386089907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35393373383194456272012-02-13T12:26:27.341-06:002012-02-13T12:26:27.341-06:00Rusty:
You should probably also request adjustmen...Rusty:<br /><br />You should probably also request adjustment for inflation. Those dreams of instant gratification and out-of-sight and out-of-mind policies (e.g. "green" technology, illegal aliens) that people voted for did not come cheap and their costs are embedded.n.nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252447117532342957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69735605758351530272012-02-13T12:26:25.802-06:002012-02-13T12:26:25.802-06:00"... You can run a poll and ask people if the..."... You can run a poll and ask people if they want to pay less taxes in exchange for less government services..."<br /><br />Then again when nearly half of wage earners aren't paying income taxes, they getting the best of both worlds.<br /><br />So we can raise taxes on the rich as high as you want but there just aren't that many rich people. Then what?Hoosier Daddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12872965118921894534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50986836025547288462012-02-13T12:23:25.850-06:002012-02-13T12:23:25.850-06:00"... People love the idea of a big government..."... People love the idea of a big government apparatus that will take care of them..."<br /><br />Actually you are absolutely right Andy. Take a look at Greece right now and youll see what happens when big government runs out of the money needed to take care of its wards.Hoosier Daddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12872965118921894534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81116901862342818012012-02-13T12:20:01.670-06:002012-02-13T12:20:01.670-06:00"... "Liberal" is a bit of a dirty ..."... "Liberal" is a bit of a dirty word in America, but people love their social security and Medicare..."<br /><br />And why not? They were sold as pension and benefit plans that we paid into our entire working lives.Hoosier Daddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12872965118921894534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-78575390906444282482012-02-13T12:17:45.720-06:002012-02-13T12:17:45.720-06:00"...getting more conservative"
If this ..."...getting more conservative"<br /><br />If this were true, then why do Republican voters always nominate moderates for President and not "conservatives"?<br /><br />I think America is purple...we all subscribe to red and blue ideas, just different hues...but most are in the middle.machinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15770538128023770615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-39005464015152927332012-02-13T12:14:46.060-06:002012-02-13T12:14:46.060-06:00Sort of makes Andy Rs assertion disingenuous since...<i>Sort of makes Andy Rs assertion disingenuous since participation IS mandatory.</i><br /><br />I'm not saying people love participating. I'm saying they love the idea. People love the idea of a big government apparatus that will take care of them. Remember what happened when Bush tried to privatize social security?<br /><br />You can run a poll and ask people if they want to pay less taxes in exchange for less government services. What do you think the results will be?Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02218298335571816099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-79461640566298123832012-02-13T12:09:53.157-06:002012-02-13T12:09:53.157-06:00X said...
"Liberal" is a bit of a dirty ...X said...<br />"Liberal" is a bit of a dirty word in America, but people love their social security and Medicare.<br /><br />why participation is mandatory?<br /><br /><br /><br />Yep. Try not paying withholding. The IRS will be on you like white on rice.<br /><br />Sort of makes Andy Rs assertion disingenuous since participation IS mandatory.<br /> But I want to thank all the working youngsters out there who are working their asses off to keep US older people in Zanax and depends.<br />Buncha suckers.Rustyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938263272237104128noreply@blogger.com