tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post2248670044739211119..comments2024-03-18T22:15:24.770-05:00Comments on Althouse: Castrate rapists? Bobby Jindal is on the same page as radical feminists.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger103125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-12393422286024178332008-06-27T23:40:00.000-05:002008-06-27T23:40:00.000-05:00False accusers should get 5 years in jail to rethi...<I>False accusers should get 5 years in jail to rethink hurting their child by alienating the child's other parent and making the child lie.</I><BR/><BR/>I tend to agree, but it is rarely possible to prove that an accusation of sexual abuse is fake. How do you concretely distinguish between "fake" and "no evidence for"?<BR/><BR/>I'm worried that if we start cracking down on the fake accusers, they'll be less willing to withdraw their claims. It could have the effect of sending more innocent people to prison.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65482283725578622802008-06-27T22:42:00.000-05:002008-06-27T22:42:00.000-05:00Trey, I love the second page of photos, with the M...Trey, I love the second page of photos, with the Marys and cemetery statues.<BR/><BR/>Duke voters. Eeek! They're fewer in numbers these days, fortunately. There's no accounting for family, though. Keep 'em in your prayers.<BR/><BR/>If you get to the Quarter, consider the new Insectarium in the old Customs House, at Decatur and Canal. There's even an insect cafe -- not a cafe where insects go for lunch; they're on the menu. We're planning a trip to that in a week or so.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14051961142476716012008-06-27T21:32:00.000-05:002008-06-27T21:32:00.000-05:00Beth, I have family in the area, we come down a lo...Beth, I have family in the area, we come down a lot. Abita brewery is great, and Acme almost knows us on sight. I liked the old Acme in Old Covington, but the oysters are still good at the new one!<BR/><BR/>I always pop to the Quarter, my cousins are David Duke voters(sigh, the shame) who are not big on the Quarter.<BR/><BR/>Hey, here is a link to some on my Nawlins photos. Check em out!<BR/><BR/>http://flickr.com/photos/tmink/sets/72157601889616837/<BR/><BR/>TreyTMinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07221261635305430323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23255267757703027382008-06-27T21:29:00.000-05:002008-06-27T21:29:00.000-05:00Rev wrote: (With minor editing for brevity)"No, bu...Rev wrote: (With minor editing for brevity)<BR/><BR/>"No, but it would be a good idea to wait for a second offense before doing something drastic"<BR/><BR/>I agree. If it happens after the first conviction or there are two victims it is clear to me that the person has a taste for it and is a monster.<BR/><BR/>"unless there is solid and clear evidence -- which a child's testimony can never be -- that the assault has occurred."<BR/><BR/>I think it depends somewhat on the child, but your point is valid.<BR/><BR/>"False accusations of molestation do happen, after all, and we really aren't sure how common they are."<BR/><BR/>The estimate used to be 5 to 10% were false. I think it is higher now. One case I worked on I know there were false allegations involved, and in another I have strong suspicions. A good therapist can really help as we have some knowledge of forensic interviewing and look for evidence rather than accusation. Supporting evidence in the child's behavior and the manner of their statements is very important. It is VERY difficult to teach young children the ABCs, much less how to fake a dissociation or sympathetic nervous system arousal. Still, a child is a child, and that brings forensic complications to the matter.<BR/><BR/>"Whenever any case hinges on the child's testimony I always have to ask myself -- was the child brainwashed by an unethical therapist, like the McMartin kids were?"<BR/><BR/>What a shameful series of events. The ill started the mess, and then the clueless and the incompetent magnified it. It is now used as standard training in ethics and how to really screw up interviews.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"Were they coerced by their mother, as sometimes happens in divorce cases?"<BR/><BR/>I think that people who coach kids to make false allegations are sexually abusing the children as well. False accusers should get 5 years in jail to rethink hurting their child by alienating the child's other parent and making the child lie. You have to expose a child to inappropriate sexual content to coach false accusations.<BR/><BR/>Good points Rev.<BR/><BR/>TreyTMinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07221261635305430323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45538321867192670222008-06-27T21:06:00.001-05:002008-06-27T21:06:00.001-05:00woops...if you find more of your drawings we'd all...woops...if you find more of your <B>drawings</B> we'd all love to look at them.UWS guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01277557128674527225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-43288286461409295302008-06-27T21:06:00.000-05:002008-06-27T21:06:00.000-05:00Everyone loves your photos, even if they aren't ch...Everyone loves your photos, even if they aren't chock full of spittle fleckt comments :D<BR/><BR/>If you could find more of your photos that could be used in posts like this one, I think (and I speak for everyone!) we would all enjoy seeing them.<BR/><BR/>Christ, I watched you and Ghavain drone on about sleeveless dresses and "A frames" on Bloggingheads.UWS guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01277557128674527225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-22588495674234641132008-06-27T18:27:00.000-05:002008-06-27T18:27:00.000-05:00I am not talking about bullshit, I am talking abou...<I>I am not talking about bullshit, I am talking about horrid, life altering trauma. You want someone to be able to do that 3 times before they are locked up?</I><BR/><BR/>No, but it would be a good idea to wait for a second offense before doing something drastic, unless there is solid and clear evidence -- which a child's testimony can never be -- that the assault has occurred. False accusations of molestation do happen, after all, and we really aren't sure how common they are.<BR/><BR/>Whenever any case hinges on the child's testimony I always have to ask myself -- was the child brainwashed by an unethical therapist, like the McMartin kids were? Were they coerced by their mother, as sometimes happens in divorce cases?<BR/><BR/>But it stretches the imagination to think that an innocent man could be falsely convicted twice.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80549413699366202682008-06-27T18:22:00.000-05:002008-06-27T18:22:00.000-05:00And Revenant, you are frequently snippy, disdainfu...<I>And Revenant, you are frequently snippy, disdainful and persnickity when you choose to respond to me in a comments thread. I'll continue to call you on it.</I><BR/><BR/>Feel free. I'll continue to not care.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60356843798910437672008-06-27T18:17:00.000-05:002008-06-27T18:17:00.000-05:00Not true, Ann.I'd read them, if collected.I love t...Not true, Ann.<BR/>I'd read them, if collected.<BR/>I love that kind of stuff.<BR/><BR/>Self-publish it as on one of your blogs, or put it out in pdf for download.KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29639512423254299932008-06-27T18:14:00.000-05:002008-06-27T18:14:00.000-05:00Trey,July is a crazy time to visit, but that's whe...Trey,<BR/><BR/>July is a crazy time to visit, but that's when the kids are out of school, yes?<BR/><BR/>Bush is in a pretty part of south Louisiana, north of us here in the city, above our lake. It's cooler there than here. And if you want to enjoy some good food, you're about 20 minutes from Abita Springs and Covington, both of which have some great places to eat. Enjoy the trip!Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53380839969268842092008-06-27T17:47:00.000-05:002008-06-27T17:47:00.000-05:00Oops, the tag is there now.You see, Froggyprager? ...Oops, the tag is there now.<BR/><BR/>You see, Froggyprager? No one cares.Ann Althousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85586287083737797162008-06-27T17:43:00.000-05:002008-06-27T17:43:00.000-05:00I would indeed be a better person if I spoke cordi...I would indeed be a better person if I spoke cordially with all, no matter how they addressed me. But I'm not just not that nice. And Revenant, you are frequently snippy, disdainful and persnickity when you choose to respond to me in a comments thread. I'll continue to call you on it.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30963636022984300292008-06-27T17:42:00.001-05:002008-06-27T17:42:00.001-05:00I agree, Trey. I see the same kind of permanent li...I agree, Trey. I see the same kind of permanent life changes resulting from these crimes.<BR/><BR/>It amazes me that people who want less punishment are seen as more civilized and less 'emotional' about it than I am.KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-8751409064697222192008-06-27T17:42:00.000-05:002008-06-27T17:42:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.KCFleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124201866124646626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54848194636881166442008-06-27T17:15:00.000-05:002008-06-27T17:15:00.000-05:00Beth, thank you. You rock as usual. I will be in y...Beth, thank you. You rock as usual. I will be in your neck of the woods in a week. I know, who in their right mind comes to Bush, LA in July?<BR/><BR/>Nobody.<BR/><BR/>That is why I am coming with the wife and kids!<BR/><BR/>But thanks.<BR/><BR/>TreyTMinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07221261635305430323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-40668040246848610552008-06-27T17:14:00.000-05:002008-06-27T17:14:00.000-05:00You want some perspective? Here is some perspectiv...You want some perspective? Here is some perspective, this is just a sampling of the abuse that the patients I am currently working with lived through.<BR/><BR/>How about the girl whose mom stole a pad of doctor excuse notes so that she could have sex with her 6 to 9 year old daughter every week? She was doing the same thing with the child's older brother, and she would have them have sex for her. Averaged every week for 3 years.<BR/><BR/>Or the boy who was 9 and his 28 year old cousin would tie him against a hay bale in the barn and come in his mouth.<BR/><BR/>Or the 5 year old whose father taught her to masturbate him.<BR/><BR/>Then there is the 13 year old mentally retarded boy whose step father anally raped him with a kotex.<BR/><BR/>Or the 12 year old girl who was taken to the maintenence area of the mall, given alcohol, shown porno, and raped.<BR/><BR/>Then there is the 10 year old whose father whored her out for drug money. The girl thought that all men had to give themselves a penile injection to get hard, till she was whored out.<BR/><BR/>Or the family of three girls, 8, 5, and 4 who found out on Tuesday night that they had all been awakened by their father performing oral sex on them.<BR/><BR/>Perspective. I got your perspective right here.<BR/><BR/>I am not talking about bullshit, I am talking about horrid, life altering trauma.<BR/><BR/>You want someone to be able to do that 3 times before they are locked up?<BR/><BR/>TreyTMinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07221261635305430323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48985690147282662242008-06-27T16:31:00.000-05:002008-06-27T16:31:00.000-05:00I don't think flashers would be included in this g...<I>I don't think flashers would be included in this group-- I don't think they should even be on the registry.</I><BR/><BR/>Why not? It isn't like flashing is a victimless crime.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36209094329305234942008-06-27T16:15:00.000-05:002008-06-27T16:15:00.000-05:00From Wikipedia.comWhile Washington was the unanimo...From Wikipedia.com<BR/><BR/><I>While Washington was the unanimous choice for president, Adams came in second in the electoral college and became Vice President in the presidential election of 1789. He played a minor role in the politics of the early 1790s and was re-elected in 1792. Washington never asked Adams for input on policy and legal issues during his tenure as vice president.</I><BR/><BR/>Adams did not ask to be considered for the presidency, only the vice-presidency. <BR/><BR/>Also from Wikipedia (George Washington entry)<BR/><I> For all intents and purposes, George Washington ran unopposed for election as President. Under the system then in place, each voting elector cast two votes, and the recipient of the greatest number of votes was elected President, providing they equaled or exceeded half the total number of electors. The runner-up became Vice President.<BR/><BR/>In the absence of conventions, there was no formal nomination process. The framers of the Constitution had presumed that Washington would be the first President, and once he agreed to come out of retirement to accept the office, there was no opposition to him. Individual states chose their electors, who voted all together for Washington when they met.<BR/><BR/>Electors used their second vote to cast a scattering of votes, many voting for someone besides Adams (a carefully organized scheme originating in New York) less out of opposition to him than to prevent Adams from matching Washington's total</I><BR/><BR/>Adams came in <B>first</B> in the balloting for vice-president. In the balloting for president, Washington was the unanimous choice.David Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06893690215814298857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77288914317880863622008-06-27T16:13:00.000-05:002008-06-27T16:13:00.000-05:00knoxwhirled, you bring up a good point about the p...knoxwhirled, you bring up a good point about the problems with sex registries: <I>I don't think flashers would be included in this group-- I don't think they should even be on the registry. </I><BR/><BR/>There are lots of offenders on these registries whose crimes aren't predatory or violent or in any way threatening. Prostitution and sex in public places may be distasteful and we rightly punish it, but we've seen that neighborhoods sometimes react violently to people on the sex registry, and don't necessarily stop to find out if the person listed got drunk and peed in public or if they are a violent sexual predator. I'd like to see the list of who makes it on these registries cut down to only those who pose a threat.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-8766700142915010432008-06-27T16:01:00.000-05:002008-06-27T16:01:00.000-05:00Blake,I don't think flashers would be included in ...Blake,<BR/><BR/>I don't think flashers would be included in this group-- I don't think they should even be on the registry. <BR/><BR/>A teacher who is a repeat offender should not be released. They have proven they can't control their impulses. I wouldn't consider a teacher who has one "affair" to necessarily be predatory or compelled to violate kids. They should, however, go to jail for doing it--we are supposed to be able to turn our kids over to them every day and trust that they will do no harm.<BR/><BR/>I think people who are repeat predators, who compulsively prey on kids, shouldn't be let out. I don't have much faith in castration to deter them completely, and the registry in these cases is a poor band-aid.knoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13231876226573540476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68935883126634393392008-06-27T16:00:00.001-05:002008-06-27T16:00:00.001-05:00I said the fact that a rational person had stepped...<I>I said the fact that a rational person had stepped up to agree with you made me more inclined to think your original claim was true.</I><BR/><BR/>And I'm supposed to pretend that your comments to me are simply objective and not insulting in their nature? From there you accused me of making false claims, and imply I am irrational. Your comments are disingenuous, Revenant. And, yes, snitty -- a word that apparently conjures images of a raging bitch for you.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36571564374062310422008-06-27T16:00:00.000-05:002008-06-27T16:00:00.000-05:00Ellie Nesler's solution comes to mind. [url=http:/...Ellie Nesler's solution comes to mind. <BR/><BR/>[url=http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE1DA1F31F930A2575BC0A965958260]Clicky[/url]<BR/><BR/>No one but the prosecutor really gave a damn about the dead molestor.SGT Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00184808889760136366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-18992135444403739782008-06-27T15:51:00.000-05:002008-06-27T15:51:00.000-05:00So, on the one hand, I dislike the whole concept o...<I>So, on the one hand, I dislike the whole concept of the public database immensely, at least in theory. In practice, I'm not seeing a huge amount--or any--abuse.</I><BR/><BR/>It would be simpler if the registry covered all crimes from traffic tickets to first-degree murder. That stuff is all in the public records, after all.<BR/><BR/>I don't have kids myself, so sex offenders only worry me when my nephews come to visit. But I'd very much like to know who in my neighborhood has assault, theft, or burglary convictions, if only so I know not to leave a spare key with them when I go on vacation.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1088187074899727732008-06-27T15:48:00.000-05:002008-06-27T15:48:00.000-05:00Huh. I must have missed the citations in Donna's c...<I>Huh. I must have missed the citations in Donna's comment.</I><BR/><BR/>I didn't say there were any. I said the fact that a rational person had stepped up to agree with you made me more inclined to think your original claim was true.<BR/><BR/><I>My perception continues to be that you meant to impugn my credibility.</I><BR/><BR/>Feel free to "perceive" whatever you like. I'm responsible for what I say, not for other people's hypersensitivity to it.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1708404471446344152008-06-27T15:25:00.000-05:002008-06-27T15:25:00.000-05:00I guess my feeling re: castration runs along these...<I>I guess my feeling re: castration runs along these lines. Simply don't let them out, and we won't have to worry about it.</I><BR/><BR/>Whom do you lock up forever? The dirty old perv who flashes the 14 year old?<BR/><BR/>These teachers we hear so much about lately?<BR/><BR/>The guy who says "She looked 19 to me?"<BR/><BR/>I actually don't think it's <I>that</I> big a challenge, but it's more than a little slippery to assign future guilt based on past crimes. <BR/><BR/>If it's true that the average sentence is three years for child rape (someone on one of these threads said that), we could start there without establishing a precedent that the government can label someone a "likely offender" and punish them preemptively.blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.com