tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post2117995880133130467..comments2024-03-18T23:08:20.960-05:00Comments on Althouse: Is the caricature of Romney as "hollow, cynical and inauthentic" attributable to downplaying Mormonism?Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-40964122784455656932012-08-26T19:01:41.693-05:002012-08-26T19:01:41.693-05:00Is the caricature of Romney as "hollow, cynic...<i>Is the caricature of Romney as "hollow, cynical and inauthentic" attributable to downplaying Mormonism?"</i><br /><br />Yes. He should emphasize the fact that he's batshit crazy--that appeals to voters. Sadly, I'm not being sarcastic.Smilin' Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01501763605001379362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-46887277579144581282012-08-13T10:43:30.382-05:002012-08-13T10:43:30.382-05:00Crack wrote:
Oh yeah, instituting a bit of critica...Crack wrote:<br />Oh yeah, instituting a bit of critical thinking in our culture would be fascism. Right. But mental slavery is acceptable. You think funny, yashu.<br /><br> crack, I don't think you really believe in critical thinking. I think you simply want everyone to believe what you do or they are villains. And this is true whether it's about cults or even about music. I remember your conversation there too, and even there one must believe in the musical hierarchy AS DEFINED BY CRACK. Even thou there is no such thing as a musical hierarchy, it's all subjective. Yes, the Beatles are generally considere the best band, but it's not as if there is an actual ranking system that is set in stone. It's simply subjective opinions of critics announcing their preference. But no one has the right answer.<br />Critical thinking does not mean believe everything Crack believes. Critical thinking means having an open mind, coming to your own conclusions based on criterion you put into your thought and then coming up with a belief system that makes sense. For some people, that's going to be crystals and numerology. Now, I may think its stupid, and you may think its stupid, but that doesn't mean that they didn't use critical thinking. Believe me, I'm not happy that half the country is voting for a socialist, or think liberal policies make any sense, but I can't FORCE anyone to change their views. Which is what it sounds like what you're asking for when you say INSTITUTE a bit of critical thinking. <br />As to mental slavery, as Marley sang "emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds". Ou wont emancipate people by forcing them to adopt Crack ideology 101. And note, marley supposedly emancipated himself and freed his mind, yet ended up following Sellasie. Dd he then in fact emancipate himself? According to him, he did. According to you, or me, probably not. The point though is still valid. So, if people end up joining cults, or enlivening in stupid things, or religions,it's up to them to save themselves. Maybe they don't even want saving. Maybe they feel they are emancipated believing in numerology.<br />What can I do about it? Put people in jail who sell books about numerology? Make numerology illegal? I can be critical of numerology sure, but for people who do believe in numerology I'm wrong since of course to them numerology is valid. jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/07630491937904835553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-88904205844847203022012-08-13T10:32:56.023-05:002012-08-13T10:32:56.023-05:00As such, this imbecile
Outside of him being a Rep...<b>As such, this imbecile</b><br /><br />Outside of him being a Republican, what, EXACTLY, makes him an "imbecile"? His legal AND business degrees? His turning around of the SLC Olympic bid?<br /><br /><b>Republicans are simply not serious about leadership. They are too lazy to do anything other than to identify ANOTHER authority - preferably in the financial or theological spheres of influence, and swear fealty to that person or persons.</b><br /><br />That you say that as an Obama supporter is the kind of irony experts have a hard time writing.damikeschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133230009952160269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57906252860199150932012-08-13T10:31:31.464-05:002012-08-13T10:31:31.464-05:00Can we please refrain from indulging Crack's P...Can we please refrain from indulging Crack's <i>Protocols of the Elders of Salt Lake City</i> paranoia?Christopher in MAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06833020990663388610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45015843755175839972012-08-13T10:27:00.337-05:002012-08-13T10:27:00.337-05:00Crack emcee wrote:
jr, I told you, you're too ...Crack emcee wrote:<br />jr, I told you, you're too stupid for me to want to deal with. I give you answers and you keep coming back with the same nonsense. Look, if Oprah making millions, and Rhonda Byrne making multiples of that, and James Arthur Ray killing people - all from the wishful thinking promises of "The Secret" - isn't enough to wake you up, then I can't help you:<br /><br> and I'm getting tired of you referring to people as stupid who disagree with you all the time. You're not winning your arguments that way. For the record, Oprah and rhonda have a right to make money off off products they sell, so longs they are sold legally, and people have a right to believe things, even new age things without there needing to be an investigation. It may be a belief that I don't share, but they are entitled to it. What are you, the thought police?<br />And that doesn't make me a defender of cults, so much as a defender of the free market and freedom of ideas. If you believe in both, then cults will have their place in this society, whether you are in them or not.jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/07630491937904835553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-83180666201211557662012-08-13T10:24:01.326-05:002012-08-13T10:24:01.326-05:00Crack emcee wrote:
jr, I told you, you're too ...Crack emcee wrote:<br />jr, I told you, you're too stupid for me to want to deal with. I give you answers and you keep coming back with the same nonsense. Look, if Oprah making millions, and Rhonda Byrne making multiples of that, and James Arthur Ray killing people - all from the wishful thinking promises of "The Secret" - isn't enough to wake you up, then I can't help you:<br /><br> and I'm getting tired of you referring to people as stupid who disagree with you all the time. You're not winning your arguments that way. For the record, Oprah and rhonda have a right to make money off off products they sell, so longs they are sold legally, and people have a right to believe things, even new age things without there needing to be an investigation. It may be a belief that I don't share, but they are entitled to it. What are you, the thought police?<br />And that doesn't make me a defender of cults, so much as a defender of the free market and freedom of ideas. If you believe in both, then cults will have their place in this society, whether you are in them or not.jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/07630491937904835553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70113965356797251632012-08-13T06:48:31.613-05:002012-08-13T06:48:31.613-05:00The Crack Emcee said…
No, Mark, you can't tell...<i>The Crack Emcee said…<br />No, Mark, you can't tell me anything because I know more than you'll ever let on. I know Mormons are atheological, so your being a bishop doesn't mean shit to me - you'll "lie for the Lord" in a heartbeat, and I know it.</i><br /><br />First, Mormons are not atheists. Get your vocabulary straight. Also, Mormons aren’t supposed to lie. In fact, I don’t recall purposely lying to anyone since I was baptized seven years ago. I strive not to lie.<br /><br /><i> F*** tithing - why aren't you calling the Joseph Smith Mummy story false? Because it isn't. The leader of your cult was a liar and a fraud - which makes YOU a liar and a fraud. You're no Christian. You're just a fool who will say anything in the hope you can get more people to tell what to do.</i><br /><br />Hey, a point we agree on. I concur, the Joseph Smith story isn’t false. Also, it’s strange that the Holy Ghost would reveal to me that the Book of Mormon is true and yet you claim the prophet who translated it is a fraud. Something isn’t adding up here and I don’t think it’s God who is mistaken. And not Christians? I’ll let the scriptures speak for themselves.<br /><br />16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?<br /> 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth devil fruit.<br /> 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.<br /> 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.<br /> 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. (Matthew 7:16-20)<br /><br /><i> What happened to polygamy and the "church," Mark? That was a major tenet of your "faith." Oh yeah - you gave it up to cut a deal. What happened to blacks being less-than? Oh yeah - you gave it up to cut a deal.</i><br /><br />It’s called revelation. And we’ve discussed blacks and the priesthood previously Crack. So to summarize, God can do what he wants with his church. Though I have to ask, were you angry when Peter received a revelation extending the preaching of the gospel to the Gentiles? I hope so if you want to be consistent. Or how about ending circumcision? Does that anger you? I doubt it.<br />If Salt Lake City is full of so many evil people, then perhaps you should go move where it’s less evil and the people have compatible beliefs.Rosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01296781290098343299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-72644443546589240022012-08-13T01:29:24.583-05:002012-08-13T01:29:24.583-05:00Thanks for validating pretty much everything I sai...Thanks for validating pretty much everything I said, Crack. <br /><br />I'll give you this, you have the balls to own your hardcore convictions-- which you acknowledge are pretty much as I described them. Just as in an earlier argument between us, you didn't back off your stated conviction that Breivik had good justifiable reasons for doing what he did. <br /><br />Obviously you and I see the consequences, implications, and presuppositions of your convictions very differently. To put it mildly. I see them as monstrous; you see me (someone who would vote for Romney and thus condone "cultism") as monstrous. <br /><br />It is what it is.yashuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12716156754089411837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-81261010409491409452012-08-13T00:58:34.609-05:002012-08-13T00:58:34.609-05:00yashu,
One of the ironies of Crack is that he see...yashu,<br /><br /><i>One of the ironies of Crack is that he seems unaware or indifferent to the fact that to accomplish the kinds of thing he demands-- things he thinks it insane or evil or foolish of all Americans not to demand-- would entail ripping the US Constitution to shreds and instituting a system of fascistic mind control and coercion of conscience.</i><br /><br />Oh yeah, instituting a bit of critical thinking in our culture would be fascism. Right. But mental slavery is acceptable. You think funny, yashu.<br /><br /><i>Things like banishing the idea of or belief in heaven and other such "fairy tale" thinking</i><br /><br />Becoming a society that calls "bullshit" on easily debunked concepts is fascism. Right.<br /><br /><i>Forcibly preventing "cultists" (like Mormons) from rising to political power,...</i><br /><br />Um, I've seen several rise to power - it always ends in bloodshed. Where's the up-side, yashu?<br /><br /><i>having some law or enforcement of some law that would have prevented Oprah from making her millions selling whatever it is she sells and others freely buy, because it's "fraudulent." Also fraudulent: selling vitamins. Etc.</i><br /><br />Yeah - actually enforcing the laws on fraud would be fascism. Right.<br /><br /><i>Fuck toleration. For Crack, these things are not to be tolerated, and it's just insane that we as Americans do tolerate them. It's intolerable!</i><br /><br />It seems to me part of the economic problem we face is because we're a people used to throwing money down rat holes - many of them completely avoidable. <br /><br />Learning to stop doing that would be fascism. Right.<br /><br /><i>It seems like Crack would think it perfectly reasonable, if not imperative, to institute a systematic nationwide "deprogramming" of citizens.</i><br /><br />After 5 decades of this Maharishi-derived nonsense, yeah, I'd go for that - or do you think that would be "bad karma"?<br /><br /><i>Since everyone in the world except him seems asleep or blind to the monstrous threat of cultism-- everyone except him lives in false consciousness, we're all living in a cloud of illusion-- I suppose only a select group of people like him (truly enlightened minds) ought to bear the authority and responsibility of crafting and enforcing such a regime, which would rightfully distinguish between the cultish and non-cultish, the false and the true, superstition and reality, the fraudulent and the factual.</i><br /><br />Look, just because you don't roam in the world of cult critics (Scientology seems to be catching a bit of hell, or haven't you noticed?) don't try to make it like it's just me:<br /><br />It's just you who are too dumb to get what's going on.<br /><br /><i>Obviously you would have to find a way to criminalize the kind of fraudulent behavior Oprah and and other cultists engage in.</i><br /><br />Yeah - enforce the laws on fraud. Duh.<br /><br /><i>But who would have the authority to judge and how could one judge such a thing?</i><br /><br />You can judge:<br /><br />Try opening up "The Secret," and if those people James Arthur Ray killed come back to life, he's free to go.<br /><br /><i>I guess that might require something like an Inquisition. The Macho Response!</i><br /><br />You know, like the McCarthy Trails, in light of everything that's happening, I'm starting to see the Inquisition in a whole new light, now that you mention it,...The Crack Emceehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08366101526773588864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75645324783356429562012-08-13T00:42:45.424-05:002012-08-13T00:42:45.424-05:00Mark Nielsen,
Crack, I know I can't tell you ...Mark Nielsen,<br /><br /><i>Crack, I know I can't tell you anything. But for the benefit of others, I'll point out (as a current Mormon Bishop)...</i><br /><br />No, Mark, you can't tell me anything because I know more than you'll ever let on. I know Mormons are atheological, so your being a bishop doesn't mean shit to me - you'll "lie for the Lord" in a heartbeat, and I know it. <br /><br />Fuck tithing - why aren't you calling the Joseph Smith Mummy story false? Because it isn't. The leader of your cult was a liar and a fraud - which makes YOU a liar and a fraud. You're no Christian. You're just a fool who will say anything in the hope you can get more people to tell what to do. <br /><br />What happened to polygamy and the "church," Mark? That was a major tenet of your "faith." Oh yeah - you gave it up to cut a deal. What happened to blacks being less-than? Oh yeah - you gave it up to cut a deal. <br /><br />In other words, you "believe" in nothing, as long as you can cut a deal.<br /><br />Fuck you, bishop. Go peddle your bullshit to somebody ignorant enough to listen to it,...The Crack Emceehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08366101526773588864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4551777655074452822012-08-13T00:36:41.763-05:002012-08-13T00:36:41.763-05:00One of the ironies of Crack is that he seems unawa...One of the ironies of Crack is that he seems unaware or indifferent to the fact that to accomplish the kinds of thing he demands-- things he thinks it insane or evil or foolish of all Americans <i>not</i> to demand-- would entail ripping the US Constitution to shreds and instituting a system of fascistic mind control and coercion of conscience. <br /><br />Things like banishing the idea of or belief in heaven and other such "fairy tale" thinking; forcibly preventing "cultists" (like Mormons) from rising to political power (after Romney won the primaries, he thought there was nothing that should prevent "us" from rising up as Americans and giving the nomination to someone else); having some law or enforcement of some law that would have prevented Oprah from making her millions selling whatever it is she sells and others freely buy, because it's "fraudulent." Also fraudulent: selling vitamins. Etc. <br /><br />Fuck toleration. For Crack, these things <i>are not to be tolerated</i>, and it's just insane that we as Americans do tolerate them. It's intolerable!<br /><br />It seems like Crack would think it perfectly reasonable, if not imperative, to institute a systematic nationwide "deprogramming" of citizens. Since everyone in the world except him seems asleep or blind to the monstrous threat of cultism-- everyone except him lives in false consciousness, we're all living in a cloud of illusion-- I suppose only a select group of people like him (truly enlightened minds) ought to bear the authority and responsibility of crafting and enforcing such a regime, which would rightfully distinguish between the cultish and non-cultish, the false and the true, superstition and reality, the fraudulent and the factual. <br /><br />Obviously you would have to find a way to criminalize the kind of fraudulent behavior Oprah and and other cultists engage in. But who would have the authority to judge and how could one judge such a thing? I guess that might require something like an Inquisition. The Macho Response!yashuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12716156754089411837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14009825448351088392012-08-12T23:54:01.554-05:002012-08-12T23:54:01.554-05:00And if you don't think Mitt Romney practiced i...<i>And if you don't think Mitt Romney practiced it<br /></i>If he did, or anything close to it, you know darn well we'll hear of it, and nothing else for a week, before November 6.<br />Ralph Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915708905660273961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47542133925165418472012-08-12T23:47:57.290-05:002012-08-12T23:47:57.290-05:00Sometimes words do speak louder than actions in le...<i>Sometimes words do speak louder than actions in letting people know about a person's core.</i><br /><br />Maybe sometimes, but never with politicians. With politicians, actions are the only thing that matters.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-45561942430939384222012-08-12T23:46:30.800-05:002012-08-12T23:46:30.800-05:00Crack, I know I can't tell you anything. But f...Crack, I know I can't tell you anything. But for the benefit of others, I'll point out (as a current Mormon Bishop) that your quoted description of "tithing settlement" is completely distorted. Nobody is ever judged to be "behind in their tithing". <br /><br />Bender, you're almost as hopeless. You'll always deny there is evidence of anyone having a deep religious conviction or experience with LDS theology, ignoring the obvious fact that depth of religious conviction cannot be externally observed. Your hatred of Mormons blinds you to the one test Christians have been given: "by their fruits shall ye know them". <br /><br />Mark Nielsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10579795635406374798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-40926400653731195082012-08-12T23:41:23.480-05:002012-08-12T23:41:23.480-05:00Crack bait.Crack bait.Geoff Matthewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07335872605196107867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-79223449952736029502012-08-12T23:40:03.483-05:002012-08-12T23:40:03.483-05:00I think this line bears scrutiny - and repeating:
...<i>I think this line bears scrutiny - and repeating:</i><br /><br />According to Google, you're the first person to ever scrutinize or repeat it. So... grats! :)Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-258542671397421342012-08-12T23:37:46.198-05:002012-08-12T23:37:46.198-05:00At this point of Zero's disasterous reign, &qu...At this point of Zero's disasterous reign, "competence" is not the worst thing we could hope for.<br /><br />C4, if you know any Catholics that want to kill women for aborting babies, I suggest you get better acquaintances. And contact the police.<br /><br />Or it could just be your bigotry showing.<br /><br />Got any more popcorn Rev?Carnifexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12561390087899686588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32949503534928285272012-08-12T23:26:56.964-05:002012-08-12T23:26:56.964-05:00Bender,
Between the endless hours of unpaid, “lov...Bender,<br /><br /><b>Between the endless hours of unpaid, “love thy neighbor” efforts required of a Mormon bishop and the scope of his private generosity, the caricature of the Republican candidate as a conviction-free mannequin mostly collapses</b><br />________________<br /><br /><i>The conclusion that Romney has inner convictions does not necessarily follow from his actions. A robot can do all of the things described above, yet have no fundamental philosophy, especially a political fundamental philosophy.</i><br /><br />True. Let's <a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2012/08/12/did-mormons-benefit-from-the-irs-scientology-deal/" rel="nofollow">look at one example</a> of those "endless hours of unpaid, “love thy neighbor” efforts required of a Mormon bishop," shall we? <br /><br /><i>I think tithing settlement is a complete invasion. I bristled every time I had to do it. It just reinforces the fact that you have to pay your way into the temple and into the “celestial kingdom”. Back when I was a member, my bishop once withheld my recommend [the ability to enter the Mormon temple] because I was a month behind on paying my tithing. I was working my ass of in ward and stake callings, taking my kids to church every week by myself, doing my visiting teaching, etc., but he felt I wasn’t worthy to go to the temple, that I was “stealing from the lord.” I missed my cousin’s wedding because I didn’t have the recommend. I was devastated and completely embarrassed to miss the wedding. I was so ashamed because of the things the bishop said to me.</i><br /><br />Awww, how "loving," isn't it? No - ecumenical extortion, is what it is.<br /><br />And if you don't think Mitt Romney practiced it, then you don't understand anything about this cult,...The Crack Emceehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08366101526773588864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-757454706566713652012-08-12T22:48:14.120-05:002012-08-12T22:48:14.120-05:00Romney clearly does have deep convictions: the evi...<i>Romney clearly does have deep convictions: the evidence is in his intense commitment to his church, as a local leader and as a philanthropist. Between the endless hours of unpaid, “love thy neighbor” efforts required of a Mormon bishop and the scope of his private generosity, the caricature of the Republican candidate as a conviction-free mannequin mostly collapses</i><br />________________<br /><br />The conclusion that Romney has inner convictions does not necessarily follow from his actions. A robot can do all of the things described above, yet have no fundamental philosophy, especially a political fundamental philosophy.<br /><br />Indeed, Jesus warned that the outward person does not always reflect the reality of the inner person, in one of his more famous encounters (Mt. 23) --<br />"25 'Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.<br />27 'Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whited sepulchres, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.'"<br /><br />Romney might, in his actions, do this good thing and that good thing, but that doesn't really prove a whole lot. Sometimes words do speak louder than actions in letting people know about a person's core.<br /><br />Is the do-gooder Romney actually dead inside? Or is he on fire inside with conviction and belief?<br /><br />Based on observations of the last several years, I would say that my impression of him has not changed -- he is a weasel. He has no real fundamental inner belief that drives him. Rather, what inhabits his insides is a politician -- a politician whose greatest belief is his belief in himself -- "competence, not ideology."<br /><br />He has no foundational philosophy; that is why he is so totally inept at explaining and promoting conservative principles. To be sure, the original version of Romney was that of a moderate, a wishy-washy, squishy, bend this way, bend that way, depending upon the prevailing winds. Because he does not have conservatives principles in himself already, he cannot speak about them from his heart, he can only utter platitudes that he has memorized or read off the teleprompter.<br /><br />I'm not even sure that his Mormon beliefs are all that deep, notwithstanding Crack's concerns that he is a cultist. For all I know it may be a purely social thing, and not an intellectual, much less spiritual, matter. Certainly nothing he has ever said out loud suggests that inner fundamental principles, Mormon, conservative, or otherwise, are what drive him.Benderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09322135500288738561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49970318657749920792012-08-12T22:42:43.406-05:002012-08-12T22:42:43.406-05:00jr565,
what do we have to question [Oprah] about,...jr565,<br /><br /><i>what do we have to question [Oprah] about,...</i><br /><br />jr, I told you, you're too stupid for me to want to deal with. I give you answers and you keep coming back with the same nonsense. Look, if Oprah making millions, and Rhonda Byrne making multiples of that, and James Arthur Ray killing people - all from the wishful thinking promises of "The Secret" - isn't enough to wake you up, then I can't help you:<br /><br />You LIKE fraud - preferably on a massive scale. <br /><br />I. Do. Not.<br /><br />And that's pretty much all I have left to say to you,...The Crack Emceehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08366101526773588864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-12108485722073840382012-08-12T22:38:43.651-05:002012-08-12T22:38:43.651-05:00(munches popcorn)(munches popcorn)Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59512654847986822432012-08-12T22:35:02.166-05:002012-08-12T22:35:02.166-05:00I think this line bears scrutiny - and repeating:
...I think this line bears scrutiny - and repeating:<br /><br /><i>"God justified deceit when a righteous purpose is served,..."</i><br /><br />But Mormons are too "nice" to be doing that to us, riiiight? <br /><br />RUBES.The Crack Emceehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08366101526773588864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-35272491365697872822012-08-12T22:27:22.285-05:002012-08-12T22:27:22.285-05:00wyo sis,
Investigative journalism wouldn't ch...wyo sis,<br /><br /><i>Investigative journalism wouldn't change anything about Mormons or about Romney. Investigative journalism would find just what history finds. Mormons have a history fraught with persecution and death. Just like any mainstream religion.</i><br /><br />Really? Come on. Mormonism is a young belief system. There's nothing about it that can't be known, if you'd bother to look. Why don't you just be honest and admit you can't be bothered to see what you're getting us into? <br /><br />Death, yes - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre" rel="nofollow">sometimes at their hand</a>- but (unwarranted) persecution? Aren't you just playing the Mormon game and blaming those who couldn't/can't swallow fraud, wanted no part in pedophilia, and were protecting their daughters from polygamy? <br /><br />If you ask me, those are damned good reasons for "persecuting" somebody.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.amazon.com/review/RC9GM1MTJRG1J/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0962096326&linkCode=&nodeID=&tag=" rel="nofollow">And then there's stuff like this:</a><br /><br /><i>In July of 1835, Joseph Smith, founder of Mormonism, purchased from a travelling exhibition 4 Egyptian mummies and some ancient scrolls found with the mummies. The scrolls contained Egyptian symbols, some of which Smith said he recognized.<br />Translation commenced and it was announced to the Mormon community the scrolls contained the writings of Abraham, the biblical founder of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Another was said to contain the writings of Joseph.<br /><br />Yet the scrolls told of very different things than the Bible; God justified deceit when a righteous purpose is served, Abraham is instructed in astronomy in which the heavens are explained as an eternal progression of pre-existing spirits. Certain men would be exalted and go on to become gods themselves. It taught there were a plurality of gods who created the universe. The scrolls offered support to a variety of things Joseph Smith had been introducing to his teachings.<br /><br />However, at that time, there was no one in America who could read ancient Egyptian. The Rosetta Stone was found only a few years prior in the 1820's and the knowledge had not crossed the Atlantic.<br /><br />Eventually the translation was canonized in Mormon theology as the Book of Abraham, being placed at the same level of authority as the Book of Mormon. The scrolls were thought destroyed in the Great Chicago Fire, but were rediscovered in 1967 at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York.<br /><br />When Egyptologists were able to examine them, they found Smith's translation was a fabrication; single symbols were translated by Smith in his notebooks as several paragraphs. For example, the Egyptian symbol for "born of" was "translated" by Smith into 3 paragraphs about a Chaldean famine, etc.<br /><br />The books Smith said were the records of Abraham are actually a common pagan funeral papyrus, of relatively late date, known to Egyptologists as "The Book of Breathings" prepared between 50 BC and 50 AD for a priest name Hor, who served the Egyptian god Amon at Karnak. It was composed using Egyptian writing that didn't exist until 600 B.C., 12 centuries after the time of Abraham.<br /><br />The writings said to be from Joseph are a late copy of the Egyptian "Book of the Dead", prepared for a woman named Ta-Shert-Min. The scrolls had nothing to do with Abraham or Joseph. Egyptologists see Smith's translation and interpretation of drawings in the scrolls as gibberish,...</i><br /><br />BUT YOU WANT TO ELECT SOMEBODY WHO'S SELLING THIS SHIT TO THE HIGHEST OFFICE IN THE LAND.<br /><br />ONE WORD - RUBES. The Crack Emceehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08366101526773588864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-28084801942756127812012-08-12T22:11:23.939-05:002012-08-12T22:11:23.939-05:00Crack wrote:
Oh, who am I fooling? You guys didn&#...Crack wrote:<br />Oh, who am I fooling? You guys didn't even have the balls to question Oprah, resulting in her becoming the richest woman in the world and savior to the White House's current occupant. Who - last I heard - some of you folks don't like.<br /><br> what do we have to question her about, other than being a smug businesses woman who pushed her own interests and got rich off of her Oprah crap. I didn't watch her stuff, nor read any of the books she recommended, but I don't think she did anything ILLEGAL.<br />Then again, considering how she's marginalized herself by starting her own network, maybe there isnt a need to.jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/07630491937904835553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38124004463108232742012-08-12T22:02:15.190-05:002012-08-12T22:02:15.190-05:00Allie,
"Wish I liked his policies more. &quo...Allie,<br /><br />"<i>Wish I liked his policies more. </i>"<br /><br />Don't worry, those policies will be way better for you and everyone else, in the long run, than the policies of Team O.Kirk Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05921711310191924997noreply@blogger.com