tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post1418203481411748288..comments2024-03-19T05:50:55.970-05:00Comments on Althouse: The Fort Hood massacre was rhetorical flourish as Obama urged House Democrats to vote for health care.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger196125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2394109624392876272011-06-01T19:37:54.759-05:002011-06-01T19:37:54.759-05:00See the Obama's mood swings till the next elec...See the Obama's mood swings till the next elections!<br /><br /><a href="http://www.pharmacyescrow.com/hcg-diet.aspx" rel="nofollow">HCG Diet Plan</a>Martin Clayboldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12802727965445425335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91667738491809389722009-11-10T00:42:04.211-06:002009-11-10T00:42:04.211-06:00"No actually they should vote with their cons..."No actually they should vote with their constituents, who by substantial margins favor the health care reform they voted Democrats in to pass."<br /><br />Liberals are living in bizarro-land.<br /><br />CNN poll: "Forty-nine percent oppose the health care reform proposals in Congress compared to 39 percent who favor them"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-23371479353223971472009-11-10T00:33:23.907-06:002009-11-10T00:33:23.907-06:00Restated: Do what the people absolutely hate becau...Restated: Do what the people absolutely hate because, dammit, if they hate it, it MUST be good for them! What is this, the Cod Liver Oil theory of politics?<br /><br />"These are the minds that will be making decisions for us for quite a while."<br /><br />At least until the next election.<br /><br />"The United States will survive this one-term malignant narcissist. The only question is, how long will it take to repair the damage..."<br />9/11 was an indirect result of President Jimmy Carter's feckless foreign policy, so ... the over/under is 30 years of damage control.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14465117006930189292009-11-09T22:00:35.538-06:002009-11-09T22:00:35.538-06:00lol @ millerlol @ millerblakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05430444326700437630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74449924143649718652009-11-09T18:07:15.865-06:002009-11-09T18:07:15.865-06:00Dear MTBomber -
Your viewpoint is so interesting...Dear MTBomber - <br /><br />Your viewpoint is so interesting. Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to?<br /><br />Cheers,millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06288790458928188846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-18808568022722377432009-11-09T17:49:11.501-06:002009-11-09T17:49:11.501-06:00With all due respect, a majority of the people com...With all due respect, a majority of the people commenting on this blog have their heds so far up their asses that their necks are traversing the colon. This anti-Obama obsession is disgusting and perverse. Like the problems we are in the middle of were his creation, or like anybody in the GOP or conservative movement have a clue about what to do to make things better except for more of the same "free market" crap that got us into this mess in the first place. <br /><br />Why is that the right hates America and Americans so? Obama's speech made teh point that what dems are being asked to do in voting for this is not courageous when measured against true courage or valor (see, e.g., teh issues our GIs deal with every day, whether it be in Iraq, Afghanistan or Ft. Hood). I shudder to think of what the state of GOP politics in Washington and in the US that they think that their political future benefits from calling President Obama a Nazi, a fascist, un-American, anti-American, or anything other than a leader who is genuinely trying to make things better, even though the GOP/conservatives disagree on how to go about doing it. But hey, if marginalizing the right is the objective, they are doing a very effective, albeit loud and abrasive, job of doing it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-42538634130774887122009-11-09T14:49:18.330-06:002009-11-09T14:49:18.330-06:00If that's the case, why use the analogy?
I ha...<i>If that's the case, why use the analogy?</i><br /><br />I have no idea, and neither does much of anyone else here, because no one seems to've heard or seen exactly what Obama actually said. Instead we have the comments of a third party, who was inspired by it, whatever it was, but who does not quote word or explain context.<br /><br /><i>In what sense is voting for something that may lose you a seat later on like military sacrifice AT ALL?</i><br /><br />My reading of it is,to that to that one congressman, at least, Obama was saying it wasn't, which is why I'm so surprised to see so many here taking away & echo chambering exactly the opposite message.<br /><br /><i>It's incongruous and cheesy no matter which way you look at it.</i><br /><br />Perhaps it is... But until I read exactly what Obama said in the meeting, and the context for it, I don't think there's enough info to come to a conclusion either way...<br /><br /><i>Obama was saying, 'the soldiers put their lives on the line for their country, the very least you schmucks can do is put your careers on the line for my health care takeover agenda'.</i><br /><br />I'm sorry, but I don't see it that way at all, based on the report of the congressman who made the statement, anyway... HE certainly didn't see it that way, and with so many people twisting the contrast Obama seems to've made into an analogy that clearly wasn't there, and pretending he was saying the opposite of what he seems to've meant, I don't have a whole lotta faith in the reasoning of anyone who is so sure-fire certain of what Obama said or meant, when they don't have what I believe are absolutely necessary facts-- Obama's actual words in context --on which to base their conclusions.repsac3https://www.blogger.com/profile/15458282944035344707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-62875535580112197792009-11-09T14:22:11.852-06:002009-11-09T14:22:11.852-06:00He was saying the exact opposite; that sitting in ...<i>He was saying the exact opposite; that sitting in congress making a politically unpopular vote is no sacrifice at all, compared to the men & women who wear the uniform and risk their lives for this country.</i><br /><br />Obama was saying, 'the soldiers put their lives on the line for their country, the very least you schmucks can do is put your careers on the line for my health care takeover agenda'.<br /><br />He was trying to use the soldier's death to shame the congressmen into voting his way.<br /><br />Shameful and disgusting.Tarzanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00749350183917452144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65311543992220287912009-11-09T13:30:21.109-06:002009-11-09T13:30:21.109-06:00Obama makes lots of glib comments. He thinks noth...Obama makes lots of glib comments. He thinks nothing of saying that this industry or that one needs to be "bankrupted" if they don't comply with his version of reality. He threatens us with civilian armies and involuntary servitude programs for our children. He makes lots of off the cuff remarks that are absolutely chilling and terrifying like that and has done so consistently both before and after his election. He has a lot that is psychopathic in him that way.<br /><br />It is hard to believe that anyone could have missed this tendency before now. To give an ironic analogy of the sort that the leftists here clearly relish --- the people supporting Obama are the same type of people who promoted and retained Hasan in the military even after he had made all of those insane statements about jihad. It was the PC thing to do in both cases. Style and victim class trumps substance. That is clear to anyone not burdened with a left wing education.<br /><br />Academia and the intellectual class as a whole in this country is incapable of thinking for themselves or of making a considered judgment. They are more concerned with whether Palin drops her g's and with whether they will be accepted by their peers than they are about the clear totalitarian ravings of a potential president.<br /><br />Even Ann's current criticism is one of style. The wool drops from her eyes when Obama displays bad form more so than when Obama proposes to do bad things.<br /><br />It's as if his pants are not properly creased or some such thing.georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11402720592452236525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66941896007798249182009-11-09T12:58:21.740-06:002009-11-09T12:58:21.740-06:00Can you imagine the left-wing media outrage if Bus...Can you imagine the left-wing media outrage if Bush had used the occasion of a military mass murder in order to promote a completely partisan domestic agenda?<br /><br />I mean, they went %$#@ing berserk any time he spoke about 9-11, can you imagine the reaction if he stated that "the victims of that tragic day should remind us of the importance of passing No Child Left Behind legislation"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54725506623062348742009-11-09T12:05:09.471-06:002009-11-09T12:05:09.471-06:00Penny said: "There are more than enough well ...Penny said: "There are more than enough well reasoned arguments to go around on both sides of the divide. The problem is that we are a nation talking AT each other instead of WITH each other."<br /><br />It's inevitable, because the two major factions have core beliefs that are not just different, but totally incompatible. This is most <i>obvious</i> on issues like abortion, where very little grey area can possibly exist, but it's true almost across the board, on things like the proper role of the state, internationalism and sovereignty, national security, religious freedom, free speech, etc.<br /><br />For example, a person who takes <i>as a given</i> that the concept of a national health care plan is wrong and dangerous and a person who takes <i>as a given</i> that the government is responsible for economic and personal security can only talk AT each other, because each one dismisses the other's POV out of hand as wrong <i>by definition.</i><br /><br />A person who starts his thinking with the assumption that total national sovereingty is non-negotiable can only talk AT a person who craves a world state, and <i>vice versa</i>.<br /><br />It's most glaringly obvious in the social issues, but the divide has come to permeate everything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41828660117770564462009-11-09T11:47:28.160-06:002009-11-09T11:47:28.160-06:00Florida, you're half-right or more than half-r...Florida, you're half-right or more than half-right about the way the media is trying to reframe the Fort Hood shooting, Obama's attitudes and outlook, and some of the rest, but you're <i>serving their interests</i> with your own personal attitude.<br /><br />Regarding McCain, he was a disaster as a candidate, no question about it. He gave every impression of not even <i>understanding</i> what was going on, to the point of saying that there was no need to fear Obama, and an utter refusal to reach out to the voters who might possibly have put him over the top.<br /><br />I did vote for him, even so, because the Democrats are such a disaster. The core problem, though, is that the elite Republicans thought they could use the intense desire to avoid a Democratic Party sweep of all branches to force 'Rudy McRomney' down the throats of the GOP base, especially the social conservatives.<br /><br />We saw the result, and if they try it again in 2012, we'll very likely see Obama Term II.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-60275918159749853632009-11-09T06:54:03.285-06:002009-11-09T06:54:03.285-06:00"So, I don't condemn our hostess here for...<i>"So, I don't condemn our hostess here for her vote a year ago. I expect that it would have been hard not to in the environment in Madison a year ago."</i><br /><br />Again, let me reiterate: I could care less who she voted for.<br /><br />But she now makes the false charge that neither candidate could be trusted, with the implication being that she should be forgiven for choosing between two equally horrible evils.<br /><br />And that is revisionist bullshit. Ann was creaming over Barack Obama prior to the election, writing moist posts about his youthfulness and poise.<br /><br />Ann has still not come to grips with how her life in the academy has programmed her to vote in Pavlovian lockstep with the other members of the Brownshirts.<br /><br />She is in complete denial.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24162695058567004202009-11-09T06:28:11.591-06:002009-11-09T06:28:11.591-06:00So Obama views Democrats as soldiers fighting agai...So Obama views Democrats as soldiers fighting against an enemy. Who's the enemy? Americans.Maizin Clement's Copy Editinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04312898215300621278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91560922398025439102009-11-09T05:55:18.919-06:002009-11-09T05:55:18.919-06:00repsac3 said:
"He was saying the exact oppos...repsac3 said:<br /><br />"He was saying the exact opposite; that sitting in congress making a politically unpopular vote is no sacrifice at all, compared to the men & women who wear the uniform and risk their lives for this country.<br /><br />"Not that one is analogous to the other; but that the two actions are miles apart on the great sacrifice-meter."<br /><br />If that's the case, why use the analogy? In what sense is voting for something that may lose you a seat later on like military sacrifice AT ALL?<br /><br />It's incongruous and cheesy no matter which way you look at it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17876923168143364252009-11-09T04:38:58.821-06:002009-11-09T04:38:58.821-06:00Once again, liberals fail to understand the simple...Once again, liberals fail to understand the simple concept of "intertextualism".<br /><br />Or they do understand it, and they follow Bill Clinton's most enduring quote "Deny, deny, deny."tim in vermonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06547980465313241972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44232818390678776822009-11-09T03:05:02.643-06:002009-11-09T03:05:02.643-06:00Aw. Ann. You have to admit he was the most awesome...Aw. Ann. You have to admit he was the most awesomest candidate ever.<br /><br />And a Democrat. <br /><br />And how about that ignorant moose hunter?<br /><br />Buyers remorse much?<br /><br />WV:scryter (i.e. I told you so)M. Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508934110558197375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-64131906433068409512009-11-09T01:13:13.104-06:002009-11-09T01:13:13.104-06:00Alex,
Good :)
On a further tangent regarding pen...Alex,<br /><br />Good :)<br /><br />On a further tangent regarding pendulums (pendula?):<br /><br />In all of the complaints about Bush & Rumsfeld's earlier handling of Iraq, one that most of the CW even on the right has accepted is that more troops earlier as some called for (all the way back to Shinseki *very* early -- and ignoring that the Turkey blocked the 4th ID from properly rolling thru Sunni areas form the north) would have averted the slow motion civil war that almost went fully hot...<br /><br />However, I'm still not sure I buy it -- a much heavier footprint early on, while apparently enhancing security at the point of a gun, would quite likely have made us look *more* the heavy-handed occupiers and invaders, worse in the longer run -- and damned sure would have been used by domestic and int'l left-wing critics against us even more.<br /><br />I'm thinking the argument can be made pretty strongly that the success of the Surge, in conjunction with the Sunni Awakening in Anbar (as well as growing Shia rjection of their Mahdi Militia and other glorified gangs) was only really possible because the ordinary people of Iraq got what many of them thought they wanted -- an insurgency and a chance to settle scores at home -- and in the end got a belly full that made them want to finally settle down more, from the bottom up.<br /><br />Unfortunately its so damned hard to predict which way the chips fall in advance.<br /><br />On a related note, Rummy caught hell for all the Iraqi looting in the immediate aftermath -- but, if US soldiers had been shooting unarmed Iraqis in the streets, that backlash would have been worse. Although we got blamed for it by the natural human need for scapegoats (fanned by opportunists there and here), in the end the video showed *Iraqis* doing the damage and had to make some difference in the long run. By contrast, a US Army-in-Iraq equivalent of the classic photo of the Vietnam ARVN colonel doing a summary execution of a VC (which IIRC was actually *legal*, even under Geneva) would have been incredibly damaging, particularly here at home.<br /><br />One last P.S. -- now we are seeing that Bush & Rummy focusing nation building more on Iraq than the 'stan just may have been wiser after all too, as Obama risks becoming as paralyzed as LBJ.newscaperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12902084479796166251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9200138427803830352009-11-09T00:59:44.220-06:002009-11-09T00:59:44.220-06:00"I don't have a word to describe the crow..."I don't have a word to describe the crowd that did this, and regret it now, but someone should come up with it."<br /><br />Umm..I suggest "schmucks."Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16859915456231590063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73660316580890229702009-11-09T00:33:47.522-06:002009-11-09T00:33:47.522-06:00newscaper - I did vote for McCain precisely for th...newscaper - I did vote for McCain precisely for the reason you stated - to blunt the idea that Obama had an overwhelming mandate. Also right now, I'd much rather have Obama with 10.2% unemployment then McCain. That would be a friggen nightmare for the GOP.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11205752419540502278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-20779563426033329712009-11-09T00:27:20.062-06:002009-11-09T00:27:20.062-06:00comparing and constrasting Bush and Obama
http://...comparing and constrasting Bush and Obama<br /><br />http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/bush_or_obama_the_quiz.htmlPatmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17884455503379229264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21417776175373753422009-11-09T00:20:40.960-06:002009-11-09T00:20:40.960-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.NotWhoIUsedtoBehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14568355742926021406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-22061551588502085702009-11-09T00:13:30.221-06:002009-11-09T00:13:30.221-06:00Alex said:
"McCain being President would crip...Alex said:<br />"<i>McCain being President would cripple the GOP for the next 25 years. So even as a political calculation I would have changed my vote to Obama in 2008 IF it would have mattered in my state, which is a VERY blue one.</i>"<br /><br />I think that the logic of the 2nd half of that is precisely backward, if by the 1st part you mean that it was better to get a leftie pres whose backlash would move the big picture pendulum back to the principled right, rather than a damaging McCain.<br /><br />[By the way, I'm willing to grant that *if* the rightward move happens in real, implemented policy and somewhow dodges the underlying ever leftward ratcheting effect even Reagan couldn't fully beat.]<br /><br />While we're being Machiavellian and all, given being in a blue state where a vote for a very flawed McCain was actually in no danger of succeeding, <b>the correct move would have actually been to have gone ahead and voted for him (McCain)</b>, to blunt any Obama claim to a dangerous runaway 'mandate'.<br /><br />Unless you're a helluva lot riskier gambler than I am with the fate of our country, in which case you'd double down on the bitter medicine of an unfettered Obama.newscaperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12902084479796166251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48762544799289247862009-11-08T23:59:53.826-06:002009-11-08T23:59:53.826-06:00Ralph L quoted and responded:
"'predictab...Ralph L quoted and responded:<br />"<i>'predictable as a heat-seeking missile's need to engage an F16'</i><br />Predictably anti-American. We Red Meaters would have said MiG or goat-fucking orgy."<br /><br /><br />EXACTLY -- that struck me too. Even if its mere cluelessness about basic knowledge of the US military (giving benefit of the doubt and all) rather than reflexive anti-Americanism bubbling up from the subconscious, its quite telling of the mindset and calls further into question the judgment of the original speaker.newscaperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12902084479796166251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56580555712980283722009-11-08T23:49:23.873-06:002009-11-08T23:49:23.873-06:00So Althouse voted for Obama, McCain was no prize e...<i>So Althouse voted for Obama, McCain was no prize either. I haven't been satisfied with any President since Reagan. This last batch--Hillary Clinton, Edwards, Gulliani, Huckabee, Thompson, Palin (yeah, I'm sticking her in), Biden, and Romney--they all suck, too.</i><br /><br />Thompson didn't suck until he dropped out. I still think he was the best of the bunch, and his lack of "Washington insider"-ness was exactly what the country needed. <br /><br />It's too bad that, on many occasions, the best candidate for President is the one who doesn't <i>want</i> to be President. (That worked out pretty well a few centuries ago for a guy with wooden teeth, if I recall.)Kevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01433235586096305061noreply@blogger.com