tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post1319439989237871595..comments2024-03-28T14:25:25.193-05:00Comments on Althouse: "My doctor told me that it was fine to fly up until the third trimester, so when I was five months pregnant I decided to take one last big trip... to Mongolia."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger100125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34955524612320931882013-11-12T19:51:13.283-06:002013-11-12T19:51:13.283-06:00Inga said...
Every single day, voices from "...<i>Inga said... <br />Every single day, voices from "A Christian Nation" become louder and louder here.</i><br /><br />Look out, Inga's hearing voices in her head.testhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09478829894294731159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-163966052563405172013-11-12T15:38:05.820-06:002013-11-12T15:38:05.820-06:00Inga,
Still waiting for your essay on missionary ...Inga,<br /><br />Still waiting for your essay on missionary mothers...Kirk Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05921711310191924997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-92161120649034710732013-11-12T13:09:57.003-06:002013-11-12T13:09:57.003-06:00I might be wrong but I see the article as a person...I might be wrong but I see the article as a person waking up to the humanity of the unborn. She didn't understand what a miscarriage was before. She didn't get it. Now she does. Saint Croixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17876368500159112781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17467379064941579332013-11-12T12:21:42.806-06:002013-11-12T12:21:42.806-06:00In general, I don't think we Oman are being we...In general, I don't think we Oman are being wee served by this kind of push to pretend outer bodies have no limits when it comes to pregnancy.<br /><br />Whether it is spending too many years putting off pregnancy, too many years on hormone birth control, or the mind over matter concept of actual pregnancy this woman felt (she liked being the sort of woman who would do something kind of edgy when pregnant).<br /><br />Sometimes it is the small things. I have so many friends who believe they will have easy labor because they are working out like crazy or doing yoga head stands. MayBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966319657113124861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-10273836033028503362013-11-12T12:20:28.962-06:002013-11-12T12:20:28.962-06:00Well, she won't do that again.Well, she won't do that again.Trashhaulerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12738976179703348520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-58906190757273397892013-11-12T12:08:18.548-06:002013-11-12T12:08:18.548-06:00Maybe the Lord and Savior Jesus doesn't have a...Maybe the Lord and Savior Jesus doesn't have a role in her life, she being Jewish. Oh, I forgot Jews are doomed unless they accept Jesus as their personal savior and messiah. <br /><br />Every single day, voices from "A Christian Nation" become louder and louder here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65519105213440865692013-11-12T11:50:52.210-06:002013-11-12T11:50:52.210-06:00Sometimes, when I think about it, I still feel a d...<i>Sometimes, when I think about it, I still feel a dark hurt from some primal part of myself, and if I’m alone in my apartment when this happens I will hear myself making sounds that I never made before I went to Mongolia. I realize that I have turned back into a wounded witch, wailing in the forest, undone.<br /><br />Most of the time it seems sort of O.K., though, natural. Nature. Mother Nature. She is free to do whatever she chooses. </i><br /><br />May our L-rd and Savior Jesus have mercy on her soul.<br />paul a'bargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08854004347728185047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6438835146572708072013-11-12T11:23:06.959-06:002013-11-12T11:23:06.959-06:00The Swedes did a study some years ago to see if gi...The Swedes did a study some years ago to see if giving a zinc supplement starting I think in the first half of pregnancy to see if it would affect the incidence of abruption or pre-eclampsia. It did lower the incidence of abruption. I looked into it because I had looked at placental metals in pre-eclampsia and found, relative to normals, elevated copper and lower zinc, a signal of zinc deficiency.a psychiatrist who learned from veteranshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00347313804041291393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-3401984710117707902013-11-12T11:09:45.376-06:002013-11-12T11:09:45.376-06:00Some decisions do cause later regret. You are alw...Some decisions do cause later regret. You are always starting down a pathway, eliminating other pathways just because of the route you take.<br /><br />You can't have it all. Just because you can do something is not a reason to do it, even if someone else tells you <i>It's okay</i>. And what an interesting personality this woman has! She's pleased with herself that she's doing something that others find alarming.<br /><br />Marriage splits up after just 3 weeks? Wow.MadisonManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01212179466758420208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37324079570622137102013-11-12T10:57:31.230-06:002013-11-12T10:57:31.230-06:00@ Rusty- perhaps, on the Munchausen...there's ...@ Rusty- perhaps, on the Munchausen...there's really not enough information to know, and the fatality was due to natural causes and not something she contrived. Also, the mindset of seeking attention through the suffering of one's children (though pathological of course) with regard to a fetus at least acknowledges the humanity of the fetus which is a step in the right direction.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05641560429425448503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75715506131569490972013-11-12T10:43:22.969-06:002013-11-12T10:43:22.969-06:00Dierdre- I stand corrected- i had this condition c...Dierdre- I stand corrected- i had this condition confused with placenta previa, which can be detected and monitored, and for which bedrest is often prescribed.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05641560429425448503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53166170906157430652013-11-12T10:32:23.565-06:002013-11-12T10:32:23.565-06:00Inga,
"What of missionary wives?"
Well...Inga,<br /><br />"<i>What of missionary wives?</i>"<br /><br />Well, what of them? What actual knowledge do you have?Kirk Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05921711310191924997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37872772583507031512013-11-12T09:25:05.732-06:002013-11-12T09:25:05.732-06:00And, FWIW, it's rare that I agree with Inga on...And, FWIW, it's rare that I agree with Inga on anything, but trashing this woman is ridiculous.<br /><br />And of course she wrote an article about it! She's a writer and she's grieving!<br /><br />I suspect she's also more messed up over this than your typical grieving mom, since she's a PP type and has argued for killing babies the same age as her small, perfect, obviously alive son.Deirdre Mundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14357363160387734552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-24677322397615350302013-11-12T09:22:26.450-06:002013-11-12T09:22:26.450-06:00Placental abruption is actually pretty unpredictab...Placental abruption is actually pretty unpredictable. I know young, healthy women who've had them...<br /><br />If she was only 19 weeks along, a hospital in the US wouldn't have put the baby in the NICU-- I think there's a 20-22 week floor on the babies they're willing to try to save (and it varies by hospital)<br /><br />OTOH, if you don't get to the hospital quickly, both mom and baby die, since there's massive hemmoraging involved. But this is not a 'Bed Rest" situation. This is "An internal organ designed to handle massive amounts of blood has come unstuck and you are SOL" situation.<br /><br />Women die of this in the US too, if they're not together enough to call 911. Babies die of this. It's no one's fault.<br /><br />As for driving, actually, pregnant women are more likely to get into accidents, so, it's much more dangerous than flying. Flying during pregnancy is only a problem if you have clotting issues...<br /><br />The reason they tell you not to fly near the end is that there's no telling when a baby will be born, and the airlines get really cranky when they have to land to deliver one. And you may end up in a situation where there's no one to deliver.<br /><br /> At the end they usually tell you not to travel more than x miles from your doctor too! Or they add a caveat like "or you'll end up having the baby in a random hospital somewhere."<br /><br />Urban dwellers probably don't get these warnings as much, but I live an hour from my hospital, and the rule is pretty much "If you must go somewhere for the day, go TOWARDS the hospital!"<br /><br /><br />Deirdre Mundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14357363160387734552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21084053633342434632013-11-12T08:56:04.299-06:002013-11-12T08:56:04.299-06:00We get it Gabriel. You are taking the negative re...We get it Gabriel. You are taking the negative reaction to this article personally because your wife went to China for a month while pregnant and you now have a healthy baby, so don't judge. We get it.CatherineMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04909616844180482228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17573464322555026862013-11-12T08:21:04.454-06:002013-11-12T08:21:04.454-06:00Age 38, primigravida, same-sex "spouse":...Age 38, primigravida, same-sex "spouse": not typical, but perhaps a clue as to why Western birth rates are plummeting below replacement levels just about everywhere?<br /><br />I don't doubt that women who belonged to nomadic tribes used to travel in their third trimester all the time- after all, it was travel or die. And the travel would have been far harder than a long flight in an airliner.<br /><br />Then again, they also tolerated (from necessity) high rates of miscarriage and a horrific rate of death in childbirth.<br /><br />Somehow there seems a certain arrogance in assuming that one can just bend the natural world to suit oneself, that everything will just work out so really there's no need even for contingency planning just in case it doesn't. <br /><br />Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16099940931064117337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74376672448816784862013-11-12T08:16:14.275-06:002013-11-12T08:16:14.275-06:00Natural selection has a way of weeding these kind ...Natural selection has a way of weeding these kind of people out of the gene pool.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-62900600985125949762013-11-12T08:15:45.714-06:002013-11-12T08:15:45.714-06:00C Stanley
I didn't get that from the article....C Stanley<br /><br />I didn't get that from the article.<br />What I got was Munchausen by proxy.Rustyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938263272237104128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56975618937433337102013-11-12T07:45:41.268-06:002013-11-12T07:45:41.268-06:00"Two thoughts. First, this person could have ..."Two thoughts. First, this person could have been some child's actual "mother". Second, some poor bastard may marry this person some day.<br /><br />Nevertheless Mr. Obama is a lying sack. A truth to hang on to in an uncertain world."<br /><br />Yes, I thought it was a happy outcome, personally. <br /><br />And while I generally am disturbed by the right-wing version of Bush Derangement Syndrome, you seem to have elevated it to Cato-the-Elder-like proportions. It's kind of cute!Tarrouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06558820517153425253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84600668823441326772013-11-12T07:44:19.848-06:002013-11-12T07:44:19.848-06:00"Note that all the Tweets from NYers are tota...<i>"Note that all the Tweets from NYers are totally supportive of her."</i><br /><br />Not much point in beating her up <i>now</i>, is there? I'm sure she's doing a good job of that all by herself.Paco Wovéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00053886112561036768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77462803087163227862013-11-12T07:29:34.004-06:002013-11-12T07:29:34.004-06:00@Young Hegelian - Thank goodness you were able to...@Young Hegelian - Thank goodness you were able to point out the important fact that she's Jewish, so that we all can form appropriate opinions about the writer/article.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16480131272076296492013-11-12T07:18:31.713-06:002013-11-12T07:18:31.713-06:00Remember when lefties blamed Sarah Palin for Trig&...<i>Remember when lefties blamed Sarah Palin for Trig's Down Syndrome, and they specifically mentioned flying?</i><br /><br />I thought of this when I read Inga's comment. Clearly the impulse to find blame in the actions of people on the other side goes in both directions. The most egregious bit about the treatment of Palin's pregnancy by the left, of course was the abdication of their vaunted principle of privacy<br /><br />Regarding the article itself, I have no more ability than anyone else to know if the child would have survived if she hadn't travelled. It does seem like an uneeded risk and perhaps she would have sought help more quickly and put on bedrest, which can sometimes preserve a pregnancy until the baby is viable. Additionally the risk to her own life was greatly increased in these circumstances (as it would also be for women hiking in backcountry or any other remote setting.)<br /><br />As it is though, the baby was a martyr in my opinion, in that his life apparently impressed upon his mother the value of fetal human life. That she is using this experience as an occasion to share that revelation with others is a silver lining in a tragic event..Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05641560429425448503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16275498319166855872013-11-12T07:11:46.515-06:002013-11-12T07:11:46.515-06:00"Driving is by far the most dangerous thing a..."Driving is by far the most dangerous thing a pregnant woman can do."<br /><br />-- That's playing with statistics. There are infinitely more dangerous things a pregnant woman could do. Driving is just a relatively low risk activity that is done by enough people often enough that we're all familiar with when it goes wrong. It's a logical flaw, but a common enough one that people can be forgiven for falling into it.Matt Sablanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15885240752820005149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70719069525563274422013-11-12T07:09:51.219-06:002013-11-12T07:09:51.219-06:00Person takes risk, gets unlucky. Sad, but that'...Person takes risk, gets unlucky. Sad, but that's why they are called risks.Matt Sablanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15885240752820005149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-21688268382049295792013-11-12T07:00:41.357-06:002013-11-12T07:00:41.357-06:00Michael K so vividly described for us the risks a ...Michael K so vividly described for us the risks a pregnant woman runs driving on the I-405.<br /><br />Driving is by far the most dangerous thing a pregnant woman can do. In our culture we recognize driving as a risk, but it is a familiar risk and most of us consider it to be a necessary one, so we do not condemn pregnant women for driving.<br /><br />Flying to Ulan Bator is an unfamiliar risk, and none of us think it was necessary. But the fact is that familiarity and necessity and not reliable predictors of safety.<br /><br />And that is why I am arguing about this--it's one more time science and superstition are at odds.<br /><br />Remember when lefties blamed Sarah Palin for Trig's Down Syndrome, and they specifically mentioned flying?<br /><br />No? Right down the memory hole?Gabriel Hannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12356186353979140904noreply@blogger.com