tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post126432849350107032..comments2024-03-29T10:26:35.709-05:00Comments on Althouse: When Obama said if you like your insurance, you can keep it, he knew millions would not be able to keep it.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger150125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36651345635671737812013-10-30T14:27:14.730-05:002013-10-30T14:27:14.730-05:00George Costanza: "Remember, it's not a l...George Costanza: "Remember, it's not a lie if you believe it."Strelnikovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12520900676193170036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-78631057641882644382013-10-29T15:29:28.799-05:002013-10-29T15:29:28.799-05:00"How Obamacare is changing insurance premiums..."How Obamacare is changing insurance premiums and coverage.<br /><br />Of course I fully expect this to be rejected, it makes far too much sense for most rightists"<br /><br />Inga, child.... Back when you still trusted Obama whyen was lying his ass off with "if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance", we were already debating how Obamacare would be NOT working. You are a tad late to the party. Obamacare and its flat insurance rate are unsustainable, because it is a system with positive feedback. In other words, the more expensive it gets, the more young healthy people get out of it, and the more expensive it gets. Your silly guys from TNR still cannot figure out simplest math. <br />And it's true, math is too difficult for leftists, which is why Obama can barely do 7th grade math.<br /><br />Last but not least - Obama promised that premiums will go down by 3000%, and geniuses like you applauded him. Do you have any suspicions now that he was wrong?Hyphenated Americanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05180757495695345376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6135359791665930452013-10-29T15:12:17.472-05:002013-10-29T15:12:17.472-05:00Lets be honest.... Can anyone give me a single rea...Lets be honest.... Can anyone give me a single reason why we shouldn't call Obama "a crook"? Hyphenated Americanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05180757495695345376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-63440489943765179412013-10-29T14:34:17.229-05:002013-10-29T14:34:17.229-05:00Posting still going on...
Government regulation o...Posting still going on...<br /><br />Government regulation of health INSURANCE is why is is so expensive. Each state mandates different levels of coverage- that must be covered. In NY, that includes in-patient substance abuse treatment. I'd drop that in a heatbeat. Along with quack- chiropractic- coverage, which is on my policy. And a whole host of other items.<br /><br />As for health CARE- one of the big drivers in cost increase is lawsuits. In return for lower prices, I'd be perfectly willing to sign away my rights to sue my doctors.Gospacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04570281939230746682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-71361527278719400522013-10-29T14:31:44.315-05:002013-10-29T14:31:44.315-05:00Here is my problem with single payer....
I love m...Here is my problem with single payer....<br /><br />I love my health insurance that I currently have, through my work, as stated in another thread.<br /><br />And now you want to take that away from me and 80% plus of the rest of the US?<br /><br />How is that going to go over politically?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19469372075603399122013-10-29T13:39:54.911-05:002013-10-29T13:39:54.911-05:00It seems harder to NOT see the failure of Obamacar...It seems harder to NOT see the failure of Obamacare as a conspiracy. This is one thing he alone controls and won't do a thing about it.<br /><br />Hard to buy its an accident.damikeschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133230009952160269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19117321285912489032013-10-29T13:27:47.046-05:002013-10-29T13:27:47.046-05:00Freeman,
"with the job the government is doi...Freeman,<br /><br />"<i>with the job the government is doing on implementation, I don't see why we'd ever want to trust them with <b>any</b> of healthcare.</i>"<br /><br />Hope you don't mind me improving it for you. :-)<br /><br /><br /><br />Balfegor,<br /><br />Things were messed up before primarily by unwise government regulation, and O'Care messes it up much<br />more by doubling-down--or actually more like quintupling-down--on that sort of regulatory overreach.<br /><br />Best thing to do now is to realize that the micro-management and overregulation is a huge part of the problem and to scale that back as much as possible. Here in WA, for example, our plans our more expensive because they have to cover a very long list of things, many of which I'd gladly do without in exchange for a lower premium.<br />Kirk Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05921711310191924997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86105220618888721912013-10-29T11:37:41.232-05:002013-10-29T11:37:41.232-05:00There's a post on McArdle's blog from some...There's a post on McArdle's blog from someone in CA. One of Kaiser's bigwigs was interviewed on the radio.<br /><br />He (basically) confirmed people had to lose their insurance to make this albatross work. They were concerned that only sick people would sign up.<br /><br /><br />Aren't a lot of small business owners or entrepreneurs losing their coverage?<br /><br />Nasty bourgeoisie. It won't work without them.Seeing Redhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00338495289040972548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38415547009994368342013-10-29T10:57:05.264-05:002013-10-29T10:57:05.264-05:00A lot of the new dedeuctibles are so high that for...<i>A lot of the new dedeuctibles are so high that for many people it's almost like not having insurance.</i><br /><br />That is so true, and it's going to keep people from having children. A $5K or $10K hospital bill every time is sadly going to be a big deterrant to many.Joe Schmoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16648976007708771203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-89458452949600891422013-10-29T10:29:25.830-05:002013-10-29T10:29:25.830-05:00> in line with the Christian faith many claim t...> in line with the Christian faith many claim to feel.<br /><br />Christ didn't say "take money from other people and give it to the poor".<br /><br />He said give your own stuff to the poor, and Christians do, to far greater extent than liberals and leftists.<br /><br />Which reminds me, liberals/leftists often trash Christians. If being Christian is such a bad thing, why are they telling folks how to be Christian?<br /><br />Of course, since their "lessons" are so incorrect, maybe it's a cunning plan.<br />Andy Freemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15102824539405027612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-47440589401804810652013-10-29T10:09:54.070-05:002013-10-29T10:09:54.070-05:00@ Ctmom4
"Obama 'Unaware on Investmen...@ Ctmom4<br /> "Obama 'Unaware on Investments"--headline, Albany (Ga.) Herald, March 8, 2007<br /> "Obama 'Unaware of Illegal Aunt' "--headline, BBC website, Nov. 1, 2008<br /> "Obama Unaware of Tea Party Protests"--headline, Examiner.com, April 15, 2009<br /> "Obama Unaware of Backroom Deal, White House Says"--headline, Dallas Morning News website, June 4, 2010<br /> "Blago Judge: Obama Unaware of Seat Exchange Bid"--headline, Associated Press, May 16, 2011<br /> "Sebelius: Obama Unaware of ACA Website Glitches Before Launch"--headline, CaliforniaHealthline.org, Oct. 23, 2013<br /> "Obama Reportedly Unaware NSA Spied on 35 World Leaders"--headline, ABCNews.com, Oct. 28 (WSJ James Taranto)<br />Humperdinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08765464624483404218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51507799520312538692013-10-29T10:06:24.177-05:002013-10-29T10:06:24.177-05:00@ Balfegor "All told, though, while I still ...@ Balfegor "All told, though, while I still think Clinton would have been a far, far better president than Obama has been (and seems likely to be for the remainder of his Presidency), my admiration for her has been pretty well shaken by her sorry performance on Benghazi" Well, better than Obama has turned out to be a really low bar. Even Slow Joe could have pulled that off. But, while I initially thought she would have been at least more competent, she ran a messy campaign, and her performance managing State was abysmal.Ctmom4https://www.blogger.com/profile/08128317047887374047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91612690277941453352013-10-29T10:01:40.602-05:002013-10-29T10:01:40.602-05:00@Tosaguy,
I agree with you. But Inga really, rea...@Tosaguy,<br /><br />I agree with you. But Inga really, really needs the attention. I suspected as much but it was brought home to me a day or so ago. She made a comment, and not receiving a reply, later commented again more or less demanding that someone respond to her.<br /><br />She's sort of the Shouting Thomas of the left. We don't know why she needs the attention, but she's sure out to get it.CWJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03598487232861475833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86107205153575079512013-10-29T09:52:04.524-05:002013-10-29T09:52:04.524-05:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PibDMGxiyJwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PibDMGxiyJwCtmom4https://www.blogger.com/profile/08128317047887374047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-22838498763734636082013-10-29T09:16:13.883-05:002013-10-29T09:16:13.883-05:00Inga wrote:
Medicare is already in place, expand ...Inga wrote:<br /><br />Medicare is already in place, expand it.<br /><br> wow, you think? Why go through all this garbage when Obama could have expanded existing programs that already are supposed to help people who don't have money.instead he decided to tinker with the insurance market on the idea that doing so would help those people. It won't.<br /><br />But here's the problem with expanding Medicare/Medicaid. Is already insolvent. Adding more people to it will only make it more so. Govt already isn't reimbursing doctors. Adding millions more to it where they continue to not adequately deal with paying doctors will only exacerbate that problem. If something is collapsing putting more weight on it usually makes it collapse faster. <br />For Medicaid to work you'd ultimately need govt to actually reimburse doctors. And if they did that the costs would skyrocket exponentially.<br />Libs want some thing for nothing with Medicaid. They want it as a system but don't want to pay for it. But, you can't call it good or even workable if you ignore how its not being paid for. Look at the amount we pay, in our budget every year into Medicaid alone. And yet govt can't reimburse doctors? <br /><br />Imagine then if all of health care was like Medicaid. Would govt still not reimburse doctors? As bad as Medicaid is, it would be exponentially worse if that was what all health care looked like.jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/06250384040393259866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16621287906712210592013-10-29T09:04:57.953-05:002013-10-29T09:04:57.953-05:00Inga wrote:I would vote for Walker over Hillary an...Inga wrote:I would vote for Walker over Hillary anyday.<br /><br> you say that now, but what about in three years when she's the front runner. You'll be voting Hillary all the way.<br />jr565https://www.blogger.com/profile/06250384040393259866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36744880744935028162013-10-29T08:40:40.484-05:002013-10-29T08:40:40.484-05:00Folks,
Quit responding to Inga, who simply splats...Folks,<br /><br />Quit responding to Inga, who simply splats talking points and links to crappy mags like the New Republic. You are all writing some great stuff in your responses, but she doesn't care. She has her fancy house on a lake and the impact on regular folks is meaningless to her.<br /><br />Ignore the Troll.TosaGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08520232078421382322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-10218652649526719642013-10-29T08:33:35.236-05:002013-10-29T08:33:35.236-05:00Inga -
The McCain plan - http://money.cnn.com/20...Inga - <br /><br />The McCain plan - http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/10/news/economy/tully_healthcare.fortune<br />The Wyden/Ryan plan - http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/12/15/ron-wyden-and-paul-ryans-bipartisan-plan-for-health-care-and-medicare-reform/<br /><br />Current House plan - http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-23/a-serious-republican-health-care-plan.html<br /><br />Take your pick. All are better than Obamacare. <br />Patrick Henry was right!https://www.blogger.com/profile/13098596628652544686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7618884314147702492013-10-29T08:23:04.102-05:002013-10-29T08:23:04.102-05:00Inga, don't you realize that the only entity t...Inga, don't you realize that the only entity that can't pay for the cost of health care is the government? Hundreds of millions of regular Americans are perfectly willing to spend their hard earned money for what they percieve as the advantages of health care rather than, say, a trip to France or Egypt. <br /><br />The federal government has grossly overpromised with Medicare and Medicaid and is going broke. Most states overpromised as well and the worst offenders are starting to go broke. <br /><br />Stop with the "we" crap and admit that the problem is caused by and owned by the government and not the people who take care of themselves. We're happy to pay more for great health care. Patrick Henry was right!https://www.blogger.com/profile/13098596628652544686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-30525489105164110222013-10-29T08:05:46.736-05:002013-10-29T08:05:46.736-05:00"Leibowitz’s patients are furious. Alfred Gar...<a href="http://nypost.com/2013/10/25/elderly-patients-sick-over-losing-doctors-under-obamacare/" rel="nofollow">"Leibowitz’s patients are furious. Alfred Gargiulio, who has cerebral palsy with a seizure disorder, has been seeing Leibowitz since 1993. “Obama had said I could keep my doctor. Now they’re doing away with my doctor. They kicked him out! After 20 years, that’s not right. We love Dr. Leibowitz,” said Gargiulio."</a><br /><br />The consequences! They were unexpected.Matt Sablanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15885240752820005149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-43689120457284317302013-10-29T08:00:54.851-05:002013-10-29T08:00:54.851-05:00Obama lied, health plans died.Obama lied, health plans died.Clydehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16736461252925227611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38127552355791504262013-10-29T07:59:30.586-05:002013-10-29T07:59:30.586-05:00Lem - you do realize that Error 404 is in fact an ...Lem - you do realize that Error 404 is in fact an error itself because it should read Error 044 which is a sly reference to our <br />44th president, Barack Obama. :)I'm Full of Souphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00241724007440718575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85223746376967405672013-10-29T07:34:13.420-05:002013-10-29T07:34:13.420-05:00NotQuiteUnBuckley - "The purpose of Obamacare...NotQuiteUnBuckley - "The purpose of Obamacare is to punish those I despise, because I am wealthier than they are, and also those I envy, because they are wealthier than I am."Jupiterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13008508862847561845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49650455221179321712013-10-29T07:30:04.398-05:002013-10-29T07:30:04.398-05:00From Inga's link: "The Affordable Care Ac...From Inga's link: "The Affordable Care Act isn’t doing much to alter premiums or out-of-pockets of these plans, at least for the time being. The big changes are mostly taking place in the “non-group” market—that is, for individuals who buy coverage on their own rather than through an employer."<br /><br />Flat out wrong. Thousands of people are losing their coverage entirely. Remember when a law harming so much as one person was an abomination?Matt Sablanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15885240752820005149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-66231923216287130032013-10-29T07:22:48.941-05:002013-10-29T07:22:48.941-05:00Of course he knew that; he's not a blathering ...Of course he knew that; he's not a blathering idiot. Only a blathering idiot would have thought nothing would change except for the better. Real life has trade-offs.Matt Sablanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15885240752820005149noreply@blogger.com