tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post116074263885940563..comments2024-03-28T16:56:27.956-05:00Comments on Althouse: "But let's reserve the word 'anti-feminist' for our real enemies."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger72125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160873072100501392006-10-14T19:44:00.000-05:002006-10-14T19:44:00.000-05:00ohioanne, my humor's intact, thanks. I'm amused by...<I>ohioanne, my humor's intact, thanks. I'm amused by this never-ending "no, that's not what I said!" act. </I><BR/><BR/>As I am by your inability to answer a simple question or copy and paste accurately.OhioAnnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09719352684331738275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160867602631831462006-10-14T18:13:00.000-05:002006-10-14T18:13:00.000-05:00exalted,The alleged victim's name was Juanita Broa...exalted,<BR/><BR/>The alleged victim's name was <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juanita_Broaddrick#Bill_Clinton" REL="nofollow">Juanita Broadrrick</A>. And if you've never heard of her before, you didn't pay enough attention for your opinion on this subject to be worth listening to. <BR/><BR/>As for your note that only "lockstep morons" believe that false accusations of rape don't exist -- go to NOW's website and search around. Take a moment to reflect on the fact that every mention of false accusations of rape cites them as a myth. For example, it is cited as a myth that "women make false accusations of rape and child abuse to gain the advantage in divorce and custody cases".<BR/><BR/>I agree that people who think things like that are "lockstep morons". They are also the leaders of the modern feminist movement.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160866738011281192006-10-14T17:58:00.000-05:002006-10-14T17:58:00.000-05:00Where does a news outfit such as MSNBC get the ide...<I>Where does a news outfit such as MSNBC get the idea that that sort of tagline is acceptable now? That it won't be seen as anti-feminist, even anti-woman?</I><BR/><BR/>The reason they aren't afraid that calling Paris Hilton a slut will be perceived as anti-woman is that most women think Paris Hilton's a slut.<BR/><BR/>If he called Jennifer Anniston a slut, THEN he'd be in trouble.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160866642552429682006-10-14T17:57:00.000-05:002006-10-14T17:57:00.000-05:00E,if Newt was a sexual harasser and predator, I co...E,<BR/><BR/>if Newt was a sexual harasser and predator, I condemn his actions. <BR/><BR/>Just as soon as the feminists rush to his defense--or claim to be bored with the complaints about his behavior--I will call them on it!knoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13231876226573540476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160866551071233282006-10-14T17:55:00.000-05:002006-10-14T17:55:00.000-05:00i dont have the first clue what the hell you are t...<I> i dont have the first clue what the hell you are talking about with this "clinton rape" accusation. i suspect it comes from the intellectual bastion of rush limbaugh university. </I><BR/><BR/>First indication that someone has no real arguing material or skills: the tried--and tired--and true <I>Rush Limbaugh</I> reference. <BR/><BR/>If you've never heard of Juanita Broaderick, why don't you educate yourself instead of speaking with authority on something you admittedly know nothing about. It seems wrong--misogynist, even-- to dismiss a victim of rape as a fabrication of RL before you've heard her story... "Hater" also applies to misogynists, by the way.knoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13231876226573540476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160866414729944952006-10-14T17:53:00.000-05:002006-10-14T17:53:00.000-05:00Revenant, Gingrich has been accused of more than s...<I>Revenant, Gingrich has been accused of more than sleeping with one staffer. He's had a history of asking campaign staff and volunteers for oral sex.</I><BR/><BR/>So far as I can tell, the reports of Gingrich propositioning women for oral sex (and on occasion receiving it) have less evidence supporting them than the accusations that Clinton committed rape and molestation. Nor does Gingrich appear to have made it a point to crush the reputations of his ex-lovers.<BR/><BR/>So even if the accusations against Gingrich are true, I'm afraid I still don't see your basis for claiming he "no less predatory and repulsive" than Clinton. The problem was never that Clinton cheated on his wife -- it was his behavior towards women who resisted and/or talked that puts him in the "scum" column.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160859337163542742006-10-14T15:55:00.000-05:002006-10-14T15:55:00.000-05:00ohioanne, my humor's intact, thanks. I'm amused by...ohioanne, my humor's intact, thanks. I'm amused by this never-ending "no, that's not what I said!" act. <BR/><BR/>Have you noticed that while you claim conservative or GOP or whatever groups do all sorts of wonderful things for feminist causes in the Middle East, you haven't named any? <BR/><BR/>I'm assuming your ISP doesn't block google.com, so you could do a little rooting around on your own. For the record, I took issue with Dust Bunny Queen (I love her name, by the way) asking "Why are the "feminists" not taking up these causes?"--that question takes it for granted that no feminist groups or individual feminists take up any of those causes, when really, all that could be truthfully said is that DBQ doesn't know of any groups doing such--because she hasn't bothered to find out. <BR/><BR/>Start with Feminist Majority Fund. Go from there and google some information. You'll find lots of information, about U.S. and European feminists. Who's supporting asylum for women fleeing clitoridectomies in Africa? Feminists, including NOW, and others. When Ontario was considering introducing sharia law into its arbitration process for family issues (divorce, custody), feminists there were among the groups opposing it. <BR/><BR/>I think you might be implying, correctly, in other comments that there is not a clear, comfortable fit between Western and Middle Eastern feminists. If so, I agree. It's very common for Western feminist views to be perceived as being patronizing, as seeing Middle Eastern women as needing rescue, or as being weak and victimized. That's certainly a big part of the picture.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160857802355191722006-10-14T15:30:00.000-05:002006-10-14T15:30:00.000-05:00Elizabeth, is the question so hard to answer that ...Elizabeth, is the question so hard to answer that is it easier to shoot the person asking the question? <BR/><BR/><I>You didn't ask WHICH groups are involved with feminist issues in the Middle Wast, you asked what such groups are offering. </I><BR/><BR/>Actually, you didn't answer the question in either form I asked it so far. <BR/><BR/>(And I have already acknowledged that I rephrased it the second time from the first so there's no need for your "revisionism" of what I actually said.) <BR/><BR/>Let's me restate it for you again:<BR/><BR/>"WHICH of the western Democrat and/or liberal feminist groups are doing those things that you list and what types of progams are they hosting?"<BR/><BR/><I>You're using conservative and GOP interchangeabley; I'm not. The GOP as a party and conservative activist groups aren't the same thing, any more than liberals and Democrats are.</I><BR/><BR/>Sorry, I was unaware you were incapable of humor. I'll remember that in the future.<BR/><BR/>As to what I actually said to the last question - which you misquoted it in your last post - <BR/><BR/>"The Middle Eastern femiminist groups have so far not embraced efforts from traditional Western feminist groups to work with them largely for the same reason I am no longer a Democrat - if you don't embrace the public agenda completely, they don't want you."<BR/><BR/>Yes, that sentence indicates that there is reluctance on the part of Middle Eastern feminist groups to work with traditional Western groups, but it does not - as you claimed it did in your earlier response - say:<BR/><BR/>"But to say there are no alliances, no cooperation, among Western and Eastern feminists is not accurate."<BR/><BR/>Dang - I'm starting to get the same headache I get in faculty caucus. :-OOhioAnnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09719352684331738275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160856287258921442006-10-14T15:04:00.000-05:002006-10-14T15:04:00.000-05:00reader iam, I saw some posts about Olbermann's nas...reader iam, I saw some posts about Olbermann's nasty remark about Paris Hilton on Broadsheet today, a feminist blog at salon.com. It's getting some heated reaction, apparently in between the usual feminist blogging about how much they all love blowing Clinton.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160856222876157882006-10-14T15:03:00.000-05:002006-10-14T15:03:00.000-05:00For example, it is an accepted truth in activist f...<I>For example, it is an accepted truth in activist feminist circles that women do not lie about rape. Clinton was accused of rape. Four people confirmed his accuser had told them of the rape. A nurse confirmed that she had treated the accuser's bruises and been told of the rape at the time it happened. Does this prove Clinton raped her? No, it doesn't prove it. But it is FAR more evidence than has been necessary for feminists to accept accusations of rape as true -- see the Duke University lacrosse fiasco, for example.<BR/><BR/>It is another accepted truth that noncoercive sex between a powerful leader and a subordinate is not possible. Yet Clinton's numerous affairs and sexual advances towards subordinates were allowed to pass without comment.</I><BR/><BR/>alright, now i see what the issue is. in your eyes, "feminists" are synonymous with "lockstep morons." sure, if feminists were as stupid as you think they are, then they are rank hypocrites to not burn down the Clinton library and raze Hope, Arkansas into oblivion. <BR/><BR/>sadly for the clinton haters here, "feminists," to the extent this term even has relevance any more, are not morons, and can recognize that not every suspect relationship is sexual harrassment or involuntary, and that not every rape accusation is true. <BR/><BR/>and to be honest, as someone who has followed politics fairly close for a long time,i dont have the first clue what the hell you are talking about with this "clinton rape" accusation. i suspect it comes from the intellectual bastion of rush limbaugh university. <BR/><BR/>as for commenter "Ed's" contention that Clinton "forced" these women, there is no evidence that he forced anyone to do anything. unless you think he forced Monica to flash her thong at him? get real. they were attracted to him, he saw an easy mark, he went for it. this makes him a shameless womanizer, who let his family down repeatedly with his transgressions. this does not make him a rapist, a sexual assualter, or whatever other demons you folks imagine him to be. <BR/><BR/>and what does this have to do with "feminism?"<BR/><BR/>absolutely nothing.The Exaltedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18030346881185443267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160856132017112742006-10-14T15:02:00.000-05:002006-10-14T15:02:00.000-05:00Revenant, Gingrich has been accused of more than s...Revenant, Gingrich has been accused of more than sleeping with one staffer. He's had a history of asking campaign staff and volunteers for oral sex. That's his thing, and just like Clinton, he uses the excuse that receiving oral sex isn't really sex, so you can say "I did not have sex with that woman!" And yes, anyone who treats subordinates that way is a predator. I've never said otherwise.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160855346794560292006-10-14T14:49:00.000-05:002006-10-14T14:49:00.000-05:00Ohio Anne, you seem to be doing revisionist histor...Ohio Anne, you seem to be doing revisionist history on your own remarks to make it appear I'm deliberately misunderstanding you, or refusing to answer you. <BR/><BR/>"Why are the feminists not taking up these causes" is inclusive. To follow that up and say that it doesn't mean these feminists or those feminists is disengenuous. <BR/><BR/>You didn't ask WHICH groups are involved with feminist issues in the Middle Wast, you asked what such groups are offering. <BR/><BR/>You're using conservative and GOP interchangeabley; I'm not. The GOP as a party and conservative activist groups aren't the same thing, any more than liberals and Democrats are.<BR/><BR/>You didn't say Western and Middle Eastern women's groups aren't working together? Huh: <I>The Middle Eastern femiminist groups have so far not embraced efforts from traditional Western feminist groups to work with them</I>. So what do you mean?Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160850111469269912006-10-14T13:21:00.000-05:002006-10-14T13:21:00.000-05:00Elizabeth said... If you read what I quoted earlie...<I>Elizabeth said... <BR/>If you read what I quoted earlier and called a strawman argument, then your question has been answered.</I><BR/><BR/>Well then, you may want to reread the post you were responding to because it didn't say that. <BR/><BR/><I>Offer some examples, please. Are you not including such efforts as fund-raising, hosting Middle Eastern feminist speakers, publishing of their works, publishing interviews in feminist presses, providing scholarships, supporting small business development and low-interest loans for women's businesses in third-world countries, and lobbying for U.S. and UN support of feminist positions on issues abroad?</I><BR/><BR/>Since you apparently misunderstood the question in the previous post (from the part you didn't quote), let me rephrase it. WHICH of the western Democrat and/or liberal feminist groups are doing those things that you list and what types of progams are they hosting? <BR/><BR/>I am familiar with any number of groups doing the things that you list, but many have nothing to do with feminism and are all about simple human rights. Others are conservative in nature and, as you indicated earlier the GOP offers nothing of worth to feminists .... ;) <BR/><BR/><I>But to say there are no alliances, no cooperation, among Western and Eastern feminists is not accurate.</I><BR/><BR/>How fortunate then that I never said that. ;)<BR/><BR/><I>But I'm awfully dubious about the pronoun "they," especially when referring to a group so large and diverse as feminists.</I><BR/><BR/>I absolutely agree ... "they" wasn't referring to feminists however. ;)OhioAnnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09719352684331738275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160848879129058542006-10-14T13:01:00.000-05:002006-10-14T13:01:00.000-05:00Jerk: I saw enough of the quotes to see the statem...Jerk: I saw enough of the quotes to see the statements about me were very unfair and vicious, full of lies and epithets of the worst sexist kind. I have better things to do with my time than to immerse myself in the specifics. <BR/><BR/>They repelled me. I'm unapologetic about being repelled by people who are very actively trying to repel me. I showed my interest in getting into a vigorous debate. They did not attempt to engage. They never responded on point to my challenges, and I have no respect for them under the circumstances. I view them as political hacks, and they haven't done a damned thing to invite me to think anything else. <BR/><BR/>You might think it's strange that I can do all that without reading them, but I can.<BR/><BR/>And I said from Day 1 that I never read Feministing but only viewed the imagery. You assumed in your first comment that I had, when you said "Apart from this fight with Valenti, do you actually read any of the feminist blogs?" The first clause of that assumes I read something. I didn't. I read comments that came to my blog. <BR/><BR/>I saw snippets in Technorati, enough to know who was linking and what their tone was, which was enough to deter me from clicking through. I'm a blogger who is experienced with blog fights, and I have my strategies, which I need to keep from wasting my time and having to feel angry, two things I really hate.Ann Althousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160843214521932912006-10-14T11:26:00.000-05:002006-10-14T11:26:00.000-05:00That is so sad! I guess with all the rebuilding th...<I>That is so sad! I guess with all the rebuilding that might difficult to get rebuilt right now.</I><BR/><BR/>It's about money. They're in a temporary location and fundraising is going on. It's called Crescent House, and it's run by Catholic Charities--I'm sure they welcome donations.<BR/><BR/>Post-Katrina life is very stressful for a large part of the population: it's hard to find affordable housing, businesses closing put people out of work and our ability to provide social safety nets is way down. Working-class people face higher costs and more inconvenience for everything--food, housing, transportation, utilities. Few schools are open, and only a couple of hospitals. Amidst all that, men that might never have raised a hand to their partners are now feeling out of control; they're unable to support their families or change things for the better. There are few resources for counseling those couples, and few places for refuge when things get really bad. It's difficult to get a restraining order, because the court system is just getting started up again, the jail was flooded and there isn't much space to keep people incarcerated. Sorry, I know this is a litany of woes, but they all connect. <BR/><BR/>New Orleans is currently an experiment in libertarianism, or at least decentralization. Neighborhoods are being restored by volunteers gutting homes and setting up small health clinics and food banks; parents' groups are opening charter schools. My university is running three public charter schools. Our student gov't operates a relief store--free clothes, food, household stuff. Some grad students are opening a family health clinic near the Quarter. So for many of the woes, there is someone trying to get a grip on solving them, with or without government help.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160841581444974112006-10-14T10:59:00.000-05:002006-10-14T10:59:00.000-05:00Well, I don't know where you got the idea that con...<I>Well, I don't know where you got the idea that conservatives have said specifically that Middle Eastern feminists ignore the conditions of women in Iraq, but it is interesting that you sought to link Western feminists with their efforts.</I><BR/><BR/>If you read what I quoted earlier and called a strawman argument, then your question has been answered.<BR/><BR/><I>The Middle Eastern femiminist groups have so far not embraced efforts from traditional Western feminist groups to work with them</I><BR/><BR/>Offer some examples, please. Are you not including such efforts as fund-raising, hosting Middle Eastern feminist speakers, publishing of their works, publishing interviews in feminist presses, providing scholarships, supporting small business development and low-interest loans for women's businesses in third-world countries, and lobbying for U.S. and UN support of feminist positions on issues abroad?<BR/><BR/>I think there is some truth is what you say; there are definately clashes between Western values and Middle Eastern values. Wearing the veil mystifies me, and many, many Middle Eastern feminists oppose laws requiring it, but they also likewise oppose European laws that forbid it in schools. But to say there are no alliances, no cooperation, among Western and Eastern feminists is not accurate.<BR/><BR/><I>largely for the same reason I am no longer a Democrat - if you don't embrace the public agenda completely, they don't want you.</I> Again, I'm sure you can provide examples. But I'm awfully dubious about the pronoun "they," especially when referring to a group so large and diverse as feminists.Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160836050372516652006-10-14T09:27:00.000-05:002006-10-14T09:27:00.000-05:00The Jerk: "Apart from this fight with Valenti, do ...The Jerk: "Apart from this fight with Valenti, do you actually read any of the feminist blogs?"<BR/><BR/>What makes you assume I read them at all? I only looked at the imagery for this controversy. I've always said I didn't read that blog. Frankly, I've become familiar with feminist blogs at various times when they've linked to me, always in a situation where they were being unfair to me and treating me as an enemy because they perceive me as right wing. Consequently, I have never felt like reading them. <BR/><BR/>I keep track of feminism through mainstream media and books. I suppose I could make it my business to monitor feminist blogs and critique them, but I just don't respect them. I really don't read many blogs, and I don't read blogs I don't like for the purpose of finding things to attack. I also don't read things I know are attacks on me. I'm unapologetic about this.Ann Althousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160835755323558762006-10-14T09:22:00.000-05:002006-10-14T09:22:00.000-05:00"These boobs were made for blogging."Hmmm, I wonde..."These boobs were made for blogging."<BR/>Hmmm, I wonder how many words per minute her nipples can type.<BR/><BR/>Using boobs to flog her blog: at least at Boobiethon, the lookers have to donate to the Susan G. Komen Foundation for a good cause to gawk at boobies.<BR/><BR/>Public sexuality empowering women:<BR/>That is, until you complain of being treated like a sex object.<BR/>After all, those Girls Gone Wild seem really empowered, don't they?!<BR/><BR/>GOP Feminists: given the high and increasing rate of small business ownership by women, I am not at all surprised they would ally with the business-friendly party. Now that to me seems far more empowering than flashing your boobies.kentuckylizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08110491371985845560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160831999384272962006-10-14T08:19:00.000-05:002006-10-14T08:19:00.000-05:00I long for a day when all the Bushes and Clintons ...<B>I long for a day when all the Bushes and Clintons are out of power. America could use a breather. As a bonus, they could take all the Kennedies with them.</B><BR/><I>I think this could be a nice bi-partisan campaign :) </I><BR/><BR/>No kidding! Sign me up.<BR/><BR/>How did a nation with 300 million people end up with just the families mentioned representing us to the world?OhioAnnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09719352684331738275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160831777788843322006-10-14T08:16:00.000-05:002006-10-14T08:16:00.000-05:00No, the logic of my position is that the pot is ca...<I>No, the logic of my position is that the pot is calling the kettle black when conservatives state that feminists--Western and Middle Eastern--ignore Islamist fundamentalist oppression. As far as Iraq, when women are afraid to leave their homes without the burqua on, are beaten in the streets for wearing western clothes, are pushed out of professional positions, threatened because their working, that's not an example of women "choosing" to accept or reject fundamentalism.</I><BR/><BR/>Well, I don't know where you got the idea that conservatives have said specifically that Middle Eastern feminists ignore the conditions of women in Iraq, but it is interesting that you sought to link Western feminists with their efforts. The Middle Eastern femiminist groups have so far not embraced efforts from traditional Western feminist groups to work with them largely for the same reason I am no longer a Democrat - if you don't embrace the public agenda completely, they don't want you. <BR/><BR/>Earlier you said that the GOP has little or nothing to offer feminists. Perhaps you could educate us as to what the liberal and/or Democrat Western femiminist groups have offered to the women of Iraq to combat the issues that you list.OhioAnnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09719352684331738275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160807171294016262006-10-14T01:26:00.000-05:002006-10-14T01:26:00.000-05:00I wonder how many of those detailing Clinton's pre...<I>I wonder how many of those detailing Clinton's predatory acts have written so much as a critical sentence about Newt Gingrich's behavior, which is no less predatory and repulsive.</I><BR/><BR/>Does your reference to Gingrich's behavior as "<B>no less</B> predatory and repulsive" mean that you concede that Clinton was a sexual predator? If so then we're pretty much done here, because that's my point -- that's why I think feminists should have been anti-Clinton. Maybe Gingrich is one too, but that's irrelevant to this discussion. We're discussing whether Clinton is scum, not whether he's worse scum than Gingrich is. <BR/><BR/>I would be curious, though, to know what was so "predatory and repulsive" about Gingrich's behavior. I know that he cheated on his wife with Congressional aide-- but since he then married the aide in question rather than taking the Clintonian approach of painting her as a cheap lying whore I don't see how that's worse than what Clinton did.Revenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160805473257115562006-10-14T00:57:00.000-05:002006-10-14T00:57:00.000-05:00"Count me as one of those who doesn't get why the ..."Count me as one of those who doesn't get why the Clinton affair is seen as some kind of rubicon for feminism."<BR/><BR/>"why do we hate clinton so much again? why is he sooo bad that all feminists must ritually denounce him?"<BR/><BR/>Look up the names Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, Elizabeth Ward Gracen, and Monica Lewinsky. These are all women that Clinton used his (considerable) political power in order to force them to have sexual relations with him, dating back to his time as governor of Arkansas and continuing right through his Presidency.<BR/><BR/>If the boss in any corporation forces female underlings to have sex with him (even if it is "only a blowjob"), then that's called sexual harassment. The end of sexual harassment is a concept that feminists <EM>used</EM> to champion. The fact that they instead embraced Clinton even as he was being accused of <EM>rape</EM> by Juanita Broaddrick, merely because he supported abortion, is a repudiation of generations of feminists. That's why it is unseemly for feminists to (continue to) associate with Bill Clinton.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01273835203670190756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160802568332938392006-10-14T00:09:00.000-05:002006-10-14T00:09:00.000-05:00And now I'll finally make note of the fact that no...And now I'll finally make note of the fact that not a single person--including Ann--picked up on the "A Slut and Battery" reference as worthy of a reaction or response, either way, from whatever POV.<BR/><BR/>Even I didn't take note of that, until a bit ago.<BR/><BR/>WTF?reader_iamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17352836883752091339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160802154111825572006-10-14T00:02:00.000-05:002006-10-14T00:02:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.reader_iamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17352836883752091339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1160795417592603972006-10-13T22:10:00.000-05:002006-10-13T22:10:00.000-05:00standard 15-year referenceShould be: 10-15 year re...standard 15-year reference<BR/><BR/>Should be: 10-15 year reference.<BR/><BR/>Not sure, though, that that's not a distinction without a difference.reader_iamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17352836883752091339noreply@blogger.com