tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post115089247700242641..comments2024-03-28T04:08:06.986-05:00Comments on Althouse: "Senate Democrats have been loath to express their opinions publicly...."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1151034026170282142006-06-22T22:40:00.000-05:002006-06-22T22:40:00.000-05:00"I love when people romanticize dead Presidents. T..."<I>I love when people romanticize dead Presidents. They tend to forget their problems - [In Truman's case] like Korea. He may have been moderate and integretous (sp) but losing 38,000 in three years fresh after WWII did not make him Mr Popular.</I>"<BR/><BR/>You consider the succesfull action to keep South Korea out of Pyongyang's hands - a decision of incaculable human and economic value - to be a <I>problem</I>?Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065798213115341398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150984666262162632006-06-22T08:57:00.000-05:002006-06-22T08:57:00.000-05:00Since you want some mission of yours completed, yo...Since you want some mission of yours completed, you may wish to check in at the <A HREF="americablog.blogspot.com/2006/06/while-you-were-politicking.html" REL="nofollow">NYTimes to see if your mission is the same as the President's.</A> (Apparently the Prez thinks we need to stay in Iraq in order to win in 06 and 08).<BR/><BR/>If it still is, and since you think that the Army should be able to come on campus to recruit, I think you should offer the Army some free advertising on your site. <A HREF="http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyid=2006-06-22T030936Z_01_N21345217_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-USA-RECRUITING-1.xml" REL="nofollow">They just raised the max age to join to 42 and they could use the ad space as well as your exhortations to your students and readers to join up.</A> Illudium-Q36, DTL, MadisonMan, VD Studs, Marburg, The Anchor Chick, you could have your own platoon! (we all know the sloanbot would not pass the basic fitness test much less the turing test.) Many many others too.<BR/><BR/>The Althouse Platoon! <A HREF="http://www.goarmy.com" REL="nofollow">Sign up here.</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150961030827553292006-06-22T02:23:00.000-05:002006-06-22T02:23:00.000-05:00quxxo: One of us is being very murky here in her t...quxxo: <I>One of us is being very murky here in her thinking. I think that is a bad idea and I recommend use of the internet to help determine the facts and answers to these questions. Atrios, Hullabaloo, Talking Points Memo, Talk Left, Media Matters, Glenn Greenwald, Brad Delong, Crooks and Liars. All of these are excellent sources. If you care to go to radio, I would highly recommend the Al Franken show, The Thom Hartman show, Peter Werbe, and of course, Terri Gross.</I><BR/><BR/>Explains a lot.altoids1306https://www.blogger.com/profile/01513456215095176970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150948063173385062006-06-21T22:47:00.000-05:002006-06-21T22:47:00.000-05:00John Althouse Cohen:Mine was just an interjection ...<B>John Althouse Cohen:</B><BR/><BR/>Mine was just an interjection of why people consistently mention Tennessee, John. I hadn't intended to take part in the debate as to whether Gore is electable in 2008.(The answer to my question is "Zero," BTW. There will be a first time, and it was almost 2000, but "close" only counts in horseshoes. :-)<BR/><BR/>But, if you insist, some of the reasons Al Gore is unelectable in 2008 might include the fact that he had all the power and prestige of incumbency when he ran in 2000, a unified party, one of the longest peace-time economic growth records in modern history, stock market growth that appeared to defy gravity (the bubble actually started bursting early in 2000 but not that many paid attention), the lowest unemployment rates ever post-World War II, no visible signs of major foreign wars or problems, apparent success in defusing the Korean nuclear problem (the truth came out later), apparent success in stopping the slaughter of innocents in Bosnia and Kosovo, and yet Al Gore couldn't do much more than tie an opponent whose inept public speaking style was the subject of ridicule, an opponent whose debating skills were limited, one who was generally derided by mainstream media and opinion-makers.<BR/><BR/>There's a reason for you John, based on hard facts, that Al Gore can't be elected in 2008. He was a lousy candidate then, probably the most inept since John Dewey threw his sure thing away by playing it safe in 1948. Finally, Al Gore has moved to the left since 2000 and the public hasn't.Randyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03071928294799081845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150942830591182052006-06-21T21:20:00.000-05:002006-06-21T21:20:00.000-05:00John Althouse Cohen:You are right: Gore doesn't ha...<B>John Althouse Cohen:</B><BR/><BR/>You are right: Gore doesn't <I>have</I> win Tennessee. That said, can you name the last President of the United States who was elected without carrying his home state?Randyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03071928294799081845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150938536556215422006-06-21T20:08:00.000-05:002006-06-21T20:08:00.000-05:00Todd said:"Donna Brazile? Sure, she's alright to w...Todd said:<BR/>"Donna Brazile? Sure, she's alright to watch on This Week. <BR/>But let's not forget some of her more infamous moments in politics."<BR/><BR/>Donna Brazile has actually matured quite a bit since her thankless task of working on the Gore campaign. (Can you imagine two more discordant personalities?)<BR/><BR/>When the media and the Democratic base (essentially the same group) were infatuated with Howard Dean, Brazile firmly and publicly warned that no Democrat could be elected President who was not credible on defending the nation. So strongly did she believe this, she even published an op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal to make the point. <BR/>Of course Peter Beinart of the New Republic later took up this theme and got much more recognition for it. But I think it took more courage for Brazile, so closely identified with Gore, to go out on a limb as she did.tjlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06162785796605831050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150927376276704812006-06-21T17:02:00.000-05:002006-06-21T17:02:00.000-05:00He stinks, period. He couldn't even win Tennessee....<I>He stinks, period. He couldn't even win Tennessee. </I><BR/><BR/>He won the popular vote, so it seems that more people liked him than liked Bush on that day. So, I guess Bush stinks! He couldn't win more votes!Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16774002797359859550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150921854843831522006-06-21T15:30:00.000-05:002006-06-21T15:30:00.000-05:00Matt - I'm pleased if the Kossacks could get behin...Matt - I'm pleased if the Kossacks could get behind any nominee that I don't think would be a disaster for America; I wouldn't vote for Schweitzer, but I'd like to be able to vote against someone while knowing that even if they win, they aren't going to be a complete disaster.Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065798213115341398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150920451946338262006-06-21T15:07:00.000-05:002006-06-21T15:07:00.000-05:00Donna Brazile? I hardly ever agree with her, but ...Donna Brazile? I hardly ever agree with her, but I like her. No way she gets any real blame for Gore 2000.<BR/><BR/>As for the Democrat's strategy, it seems pretty clear. From the end of the Cold War until 9/11 everyone was asleep. After 9/11 GWB said this is how I want to handle this problem (and it is a problem).<BR/><BR/>Ok so now there is plenty to criticize but unless the Dems come up with a reasonable alternative, they will have a hard time winning a national election. There is a not a day going by that we are not reminded of what these people will do to us. I don't always agree with this president but I am pretty certain I know what he wants to do. Did we ever know what Kerry wanted to do, Gore, etc.? Maybe, kinda sort of...Laura Reynoldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15855241652633348350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150919125410746722006-06-21T14:45:00.000-05:002006-06-21T14:45:00.000-05:00SF:"Of coarse, it all depends on who the Republica...SF:<BR/>"<I>Of coarse, it all depends on who the Republicans pick as their guy. Guliani trumps Hillary, but I don't think he trumps Gore. Is Newt the ace-in-the-hole against the Big G???</I>"<BR/><BR/>You know what, I would love Newt to run, <A HREF="http://www.humaneventsonline.com/blog-detail.php?id=15674" REL="nofollow">I think he will run</A>, and if he does, I could very easily see myself voting for him. But Newt comes with some serious baggage, and he faces the serious problem that a lot of the base is going to want a candidate who will lead from the front on the sanctity of marriage, and frankly, a man with Newt Gingrich's personal history isn't someone who can be taken seriously if he opens his mouth about the sanctity of marriage. I also worry that there are a lot of people in this country who remember the 1990s, and remember the stuff that Newt did in the 1990s, and have a very low opinion of that conduct. But FWIW, I think he is, and should be, a very serious contender for the nominee, and if nothing else, I think running for the Presidency will get broader exposure for some of the ideas he's been trailing in the last few years, and will make the primary a much more rigorous and interesting process. Anyone who runs against Newt is going to have to relaly, really work for it, particularly in any prospective debates.Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065798213115341398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150918699302762282006-06-21T14:38:00.000-05:002006-06-21T14:38:00.000-05:00Ken said:"Only in a campaign in which foreign poli...Ken said:<BR/>"<I>Only in a campaign in which foreign policy is a minimal issue can the Democrats win.</I>"<BR/><BR/>Either that's absolutely true, or it's just a staggering coincidence that the only two Democrats to win the White House since the '60s did so at a time when foreign affairs were low on the agenda: Carter (height of detente, and in any event, mainly attributable as a reaction to Watergate) and Clinton (Soviet Union dead, terrorism not yet percieved as a threat).<BR/><BR/>Harrison Bergeron said...<BR/>"<I>There are several platforms that are serious losers . . . Gay Marriage, even though I voted against the amendment here in Georgia, everywhere it has been put to vote it has gotten 70% + people voting against it. That is a lot of Democrats voting against Gay Marriage.</I>"<BR/><BR/>Crunching the numbers on the Alabama referendum <A HREF="http://www.centristcoalition.com/blog/archives/003331.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>, I demonstrated that somewhere in the vicinity of <I>half</I> of the Democratic primary voters voted for the amendment, and I would be far from surprised if those numbers were not reflected throughout the country. This fall is going to be interesting; no ban on homosexual marriage put to the general public has ever failed, nor even come close to failing. The big challenge for proponents is basically to make sure that the public doesn't get any say in the matter, which is certainly a familiar position for liberals, but it's not one that they like to <I>think</I> of themselves as defending in such explicit terms.Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065798213115341398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150915768637053542006-06-21T13:49:00.000-05:002006-06-21T13:49:00.000-05:00What's wrong with Donna Brazile?I'm glad you asked...<I>What's wrong with Donna Brazile?</I><BR/><BR/>I'm glad you asked that because I was wondering the same thing myself. I have found her to be one of the few people "inside the beltway" willing to engage in an actual conversation instead sticking to the "talking points" <I>du jour.</I> Considering her partisan bona fides, I think she is refreshing. And somewhat unpredicatable, unlike so many in both parties who have held positions such as hers and insist that day is night despite all evidence to the contrary just because it is the official party position of that particular day.Randyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03071928294799081845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150915100349571992006-06-21T13:38:00.000-05:002006-06-21T13:38:00.000-05:00What's wrong with Donna Brazile? (I like her as a ...What's wrong with Donna Brazile? (I like her as a Sunday morning news talk guest.)Ann Althousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150913407775700482006-06-21T13:10:00.000-05:002006-06-21T13:10:00.000-05:00Richard Dolan,"I certainly agree that "successful ...Richard Dolan,<BR/>"I certainly agree that "successful completion" is critical. But the problem with framing the issue in these terms is that the real policy choices get lost in an exercise in retrospection -- if we knew then what we have learned by living through the last 3 years, things would have been done differently. Of course -- but that is a truism about all of life, and is unhelpful in coming up with national security policies to deal unknown and unknowable contingencies."<BR/><BR/>I agree; to be a responsible party, the Democrats need to come up with a reasonable plan on how they will win the current war in Iraq, and on what they would do in the future with the struggle against Islamo-Fascists. Specifically how to handle the types of situations that Bill Clinton and George Bush faced over the past 14 years. What have they learned from that? <BR/>The problem, though, is that they realize that that "a reasonable plan" as I described will be pretty much exactly what this administration has been doing since 9/11.exhelodrvr1https://www.blogger.com/profile/15874052265934108903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150912855942541892006-06-21T13:00:00.000-05:002006-06-21T13:00:00.000-05:00me,"he still sighs loudly"So sighs matter?me,<BR/>"he still sighs loudly"<BR/><BR/>So sighs matter?exhelodrvr1https://www.blogger.com/profile/15874052265934108903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150912621808035382006-06-21T12:57:00.000-05:002006-06-21T12:57:00.000-05:00I saw his movie, and what fascinated me about it i...<I> I saw his movie, and what fascinated me about it is that Gore was 10X more animated when talking about the problems with global warming than he was when talking about his personal life. That seems to me to be a problem.</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>Far be it from me to defend the former Vice-President or his latest work of fiction but I don’t necessarily think that being more animated when talking about what one believes to be a serious problem (and reasonable people can certainly disagree on whether global climate change is a problem, the seriousness of it relative to other problems, and the costs-benefits of proposed “solutions”) than in making small talk about the family is a bad thing.Thorley Winstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17262423151559851671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150912419667321692006-06-21T12:53:00.001-05:002006-06-21T12:53:00.001-05:00He stinks, period. He couldn't even win Tennessee....He stinks, period. He couldn't even win Tennessee. Enough people can spot and are tired of his patrician ways and "I know what's best for you" poo poo. Plus I do believe many Americans remember his racist and devisive campaign rehetoric of class warfare. Did you like Donna Brazille? I think many of us did not, therefore, why hire the guy that would hire her? Like Kerry, he stands for nothing. Why else marginalize Lieberman during this election cycle?Jazz Basshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938670326078497983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150912395615621002006-06-21T12:53:00.000-05:002006-06-21T12:53:00.000-05:00"I think Gore has a real shot."Yes. And why doesn..."I think Gore has a real shot."<BR/><BR/>Yes. And why doesn't he patch up his differences with his old buddy, and bring Bill Clinton in as the VP candidate? It may not do much for Bill's marriage (could Hillary get over "this"?) but it may be the winning ticket for 2008.<BR/><BR/>Any of you Conlaw people want to venture an opinion on whether Bill can run for VP? Is it clear, or a little murky, and how would the 12th and 22nd amendments play out in this case? Who would have to make the final decision as to eligibility?Ricardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16417952478382032106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150912322559880552006-06-21T12:52:00.000-05:002006-06-21T12:52:00.000-05:00It's not an "upbeat." It's just that he showed ge...It's not an "upbeat." It's just that he showed genuine emotion and passion when talking about global warming and pretty much nothing else. I'm not expecting him to say "My sister died! Ain't that great!" (That would be disconcerting, in any event.) But there should be some show of emotion.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00295270766215749309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150912251256787082006-06-21T12:50:00.000-05:002006-06-21T12:50:00.000-05:00AA: "Gore?"Oh, yes please. That's the ticket. He...AA: "Gore?"<BR/><BR/>Oh, yes please. That's the ticket. Heh.GM Roperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05136697280325217912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150911172813083622006-06-21T12:32:00.000-05:002006-06-21T12:32:00.000-05:00A few notes:1. Markos and the rest of the Kos com...A few notes:<BR/><BR/>1. Markos and the rest of the Kos community adore Schweitzer. He's top 5 on the list of "adored politicians." Indeed, many have said they want him to run for POTUS in 2008.<BR/><BR/>2. Many folks at Kos do say that the only acceptable candidate from Congress would be one who voted "No" in 2003 and "No" on yesterday's vote. There's also a substantial contingent of "No more Senators!" folks, who demand, um...a governor who's voiciferiously anti-war. It's the same thing that drew people to Dean--they want a "no!" candidate.<BR/><BR/>3. Gore's not running. Period. I saw his movie, and what fascinated me about it is that Gore was 10X more animated when talking about the problems with global warming than he was when talking about his personal life. That seems to me to be a problem.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00295270766215749309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150908432720454272006-06-21T11:47:00.000-05:002006-06-21T11:47:00.000-05:00One can't help but wonder if the debate the Senate...One can't help but wonder if the debate the Senate Democrats are demanding now will turn out to be as helpful to them as the last major debate on Iraq the Senate Democrats demanded, at just about the same time of year in the run-up to the 2002 elections. Only time will tell. It will be interesting to watch the results.<BR/><BR/>Randy RogersRandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03071928294799081845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150908075962544482006-06-21T11:41:00.000-05:002006-06-21T11:41:00.000-05:00This is a fairly long response, because a lot of t...This is a fairly long response, because a lot of the questions were repetative, both here and in previous threads.<BR/><BR/><I>What do you think the mission is?</I><BR/><BR/>If my counting is correct, you ask this question at least three different times in your rambling diatribe. See my answer from yesterday.<BR/><BR/><I>Is the mission achievable?</I><BR/><BR/>Progressing quite well, thank you.<BR/><BR/><I>What is the cost of the mission? What is the expected outcome for success and failure of the mission?</I><BR/><BR/>See below - you repeat yourself a lot here.<BR/><BR/><I>What is your experience relevant to your understanding of what completing the mission would take? </I><BR/><BR/>What is yours?<BR/><BR/><I>What do acknowledged experts say? Are their views congruent with your views?</I><BR/><BR/>Presumably, if you are asking about acknowledged experts, you are presumably asking about the President, VP, SecDef, SecState, and their officers either commanding or serving in Iraq or Afghanistan. And, yes, they are fairly consistent about this. <BR/><BR/><I>What are alternative uses of the resources of the mission?</I><BR/><BR/>None<BR/><BR/><I>What are the impacts on the US for maintaining the resources necessary to complete the mission?</I><BR/><BR/>What are the impacts of not doing it?<BR/><BR/><I>Does the US have those resources?</I><BR/><BR/>Yes.<BR/><BR/><I>What does the US sacrifice by maintaining the resources necessary for the mission?</I><BR/><BR/>What is the danger if it aborts the mission?<BR/><BR/><I>What is the mission?</I><BR/><BR/>This is getting boring.<BR/><BR/><I>Has the mission evolved over time? If so, why? How has the mission evolved over time?</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, because we didn't fully understand the dynamics, overestimated the resistance, and thus ultimately underestimated the resources left over.<BR/><BR/><I>How do you measure the mission's achievements and progress? What do those measurements say in the period of time the mission has been going forward?</I><BR/><BR/>Primarily by how many provinces, cities, etc. have had their security turned over to the Iraqis.<BR/><BR/><I>How do the American people feel about our completing the mission? What do the American people want? Should the American people's representatives stay firm and complete the mission if the American people feel otherwise?</I><BR/><BR/>Don't really care about this.<BR/><BR/><I>What are the risks of not completing the mission? </I><BR/><BR/>Catastrophic.<BR/><BR/><I>What are the risks of staying to complete the mission?</I><BR/><BR/>Significantly less.<BR/><BR/><I>What are the expected outcomes of each?</I><BR/><BR/>Staying the course: significant positive impact on the WoT. Cutting and running: significantly emboldened Islamofascism.<BR/><BR/><I>What has been the track record to date of the leaders that want us to complete the mission?</I><BR/><BR/>Good.<I>Have they been doing a good job or a bad job? </I><BR/><BR/>Mostly good.<BR/><BR/><I>Have they made good decisions or bad decisions? </I><BR/><BR/>Mostly good.<BR/><BR/><I>Have they taken responsibility for any mistakes they have made? </I><BR/><BR/>BDS throwaway.<BR/><BR/><I>Have they successfully managed the outcome so far? </I><BR/><BR/>Yes.<BR/><BR/><I>Have they been truthful to the people? </I><BR/><BR/>Yes. Much more so than the opposition which ignores repeated statements of what the mission is in Iraq to blindly repeat the mantra of "what is the mission?"<BR/><BR/><I>Do they show an understanding of what it would take to complete the mission and the upsides and the downsides that we have just discussed above?</I><BR/><BR/>Yes.<BR/><BR/><I>Is their understanding of the mission the same as your understanding of the mission?</I><BR/><BR/>Yes.<BR/><BR/><I>What is the mission, and what is successful completion of the mission?</I><BR/><BR/>I have gotten bored answering this for you.<BR/><BR/><I>One of us is being very murky here in her thinking. </I><BR/><BR/>One of us is parroting BDS and liberal fabrications.Bruce Haydenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10815293023158025662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150908042342951692006-06-21T11:40:00.000-05:002006-06-21T11:40:00.000-05:00I think Gore has a real shot. His position on the ...I think Gore has a real shot. His position on the war has been much more consistent than most other Dem, even if it's only because he was not in office and didn't have to vote on the resolution. Plus throw in his long term concern / obsession with the environment. <BR/><BR/>Anti-war plus environment scores points with the Kossacks and Hard Progressives and can translate into a win in the primaries.<BR/><BR/>He was VP during the 90's and presided over a tremendous economic boom. Never mind that it was built on an illusionary business model, the Dot Com's, and that the Clinton administration put the pin to the tech bubble when the DOJ sued Micro$oft in '98. And I mean really, when government officials start talking about how they may have beaten the economic cycle - buy bonds. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, presidential administrations generally get too much credit / blame for good / bad economic times, but Gore was VP and can be associated with the good economy of the '90s.<BR/>Plus, they, both Dem president AND Republican congress, managed to accidentally run the government with a surplus, though the actual size of it was grossly exaggerated by combining the ten year projection with principles of <I>ceteris paribus</I> (should be against the law the government to do that, and for me to use the term <I>ceteris paribus</I>).<BR/><BR/>"It was a simpler time!" (I'm quoting this from someone, and even though I don't know who, I don't want to be accused of plagiarism, so I give that person credit for the line, who ever it is). Times were good, for the most part, during Gore's tenure, and compared to the current terrorist threat the nation now faces, the '90s do seem like a simpler time, though the threat was there and the administration just chose to pass the hard decisions to the next guys. Regardless, if Gore plays his cards right, (left-of-center actually), he could foster a '90s nostalgia of sorts to appeal to the centrist vote.<BR/><BR/>'90s nostalgia = Popular AND electoral win for presidency, IF he can win his home state of Tennessee.<BR/><BR/>Of coarse, it all depends on who the Republicans pick as their guy. Guliani trumps Hillary, but I don't think he trumps Gore. Is Newt the ace-in-the-hole against the Big G???sonicfroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17243418673004541047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1150906347273370432006-06-21T11:12:00.000-05:002006-06-21T11:12:00.000-05:00Kerry's position "I voted to authorize the war but...<I> Kerry's position "I voted to authorize the war but I opposed Bush actually using that aithorization" appears to me to be as politically calculating as you can get. I don't think we need the NYT to make this case. Kerry does the job quite well on his own.</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>Agreed, much like his decision to vote for the $87 Billion for our troops when he needed to show that he was strong on the war and then voting against the $87 Billion for our troops when he needed an anti-war vote to beat Howard Dean in the presidential primary.Thorley Winstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17262423151559851671noreply@blogger.com