tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post114435617011848990..comments2024-03-28T01:44:47.253-05:00Comments on Althouse: "I would hope from time to time that you have the humility and grace to be ashamed of yourself."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144443652912907362006-04-07T16:00:00.000-05:002006-04-07T16:00:00.000-05:00(ok, keep up the good work)(ok, keep up the good work)Laura Reynoldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15855241652633348350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144436309142917462006-04-07T13:58:00.000-05:002006-04-07T13:58:00.000-05:00I guess that Karl Rove plant idea was incorrect? ...I guess that Karl Rove plant idea was incorrect? yeah right (wink wink nod nod)Laura Reynoldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15855241652633348350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144430268196883882006-04-07T12:17:00.000-05:002006-04-07T12:17:00.000-05:00wow, thorley, that's impressive. you really knocke...<I>wow, thorley, that's impressive. you really knocked me down with that one. </I><BR/><BR/>No seriously, I’m looking to make some extra cash. Help a brother out, will ya?Thorley Winstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17262423151559851671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144428806155012162006-04-07T11:53:00.000-05:002006-04-07T11:53:00.000-05:00I don't "disagree" with Bush. I think he is one of...<I>I don't "disagree" with Bush. I think he is one of the worst Presidents in our history, </I><BR/><BR/><BR/>And this is precisely the spot where many of us quit reading and went on to the next comment.Thorley Winstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17262423151559851671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144423754805860202006-04-07T10:29:00.000-05:002006-04-07T10:29:00.000-05:00It seems pretty likely that the president has conf...<I>It seems pretty likely that the president has confronted his alcoholism via AA.</I><BR/><BR/>I believe that it is still an open question whether Bush was ever or is an alcoholic. AFAIK he did some heavy drinking when he was younger, had one DUI (which is still one more than I have) some thirty years ago but quit drinking when he turned 40 because he found that it sapped his energy. Not a lot to go on for a charge of alcoholism IMO.Thorley Winstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17262423151559851671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144423030058847692006-04-07T10:17:00.000-05:002006-04-07T10:17:00.000-05:00And to any of the bright bulbs on this thread who ...<I>And to any of the bright bulbs on this thread who think i'm a commie liberal, I would then guess they think that the likes of William Buckley is a commie liberal as well as Arlen Spectre and Chuck Hagel and Brent Scowcroft, just to name a few for they hold many of the very same views I have put forth on this thread and others in the past. Alot of commies around all the sudden, eh? I didn't know commies could be conservatives who served in the Reagan Administration. Almost all of the American Public is are now commies it seems.</I><BR/><BR/>Just out of curiosity, how much are you being paid and by whom for each time you type the word “commie”?Thorley Winstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17262423151559851671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144411687379288642006-04-07T07:08:00.000-05:002006-04-07T07:08:00.000-05:00Quxxo is back, alas.His absence from the gay-marri...Quxxo is back, alas.<BR/>His absence from the gay-marriage threads helped open the way for a largely civil and rant-free discussion of substantive issues. Quxxo must have been unable to summon up any interest in a topic that wasn't a platform for diatribes against his great bete noire, George Bush.tjlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06162785796605831050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144410393109321872006-04-07T06:46:00.000-05:002006-04-07T06:46:00.000-05:00Stopping the genocide in Africa? Gee! Bush should ...Stopping the genocide in Africa? Gee! Bush should have said, " We have no strategic interests in Africa, the UN is doing a darn good job there, which we are a part of."goeshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781857563232791703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144398435788598742006-04-07T03:27:00.000-05:002006-04-07T03:27:00.000-05:00I'm sure you were going for "insulting" but "Pretz...I'm sure you were going for "insulting" but "Pretzel Master" just sounds really cool to me. I wish I was a Pretzel Master.<BR/><BR/>mmmmmmmm, pretzels.Jinnmabehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13352238509829520813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144397471898441042006-04-07T03:11:00.000-05:002006-04-07T03:11:00.000-05:00So, you are suggesting that his employees can decl...<I>So, you are suggesting that his employees can declassify documents and he, from whom they get that power, can't? That doesn't make sense.</I><BR/><BR/>No, all I was saying was that your blanket statement didn't make sense. And clearly, you agreed with me.<BR/><BR/>"After Katrina more than one report was heard that he had started drinking again."<BR/><BR/><I>That you have heard this before on the leftwing side of the blogosphere doesn't make it true, but rather, that they just wished it were true.</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, I was just pulling your chain. The truth is though that Preznit Bush the Pretzel Master didn't go to AA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144396656900068442006-04-07T02:57:00.000-05:002006-04-07T02:57:00.000-05:00The preznit never went to AA. He supposedly kicked...<I>The preznit never went to AA. He supposedly kicked alcohol all on his own. After Katrina more than one report was heard that he had started drinking again. </I><BR/><BR/>That you have heard this before on the leftwing side of the blogosphere doesn't make it true, but rather, that they just wished it were true.Bruce Haydenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10815293023158025662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144396380578258642006-04-07T02:53:00.000-05:002006-04-07T02:53:00.000-05:00Can a President abuse his legal powers?Obviously. ...<I>Can a President abuse his legal powers?</I><BR/><BR/>Obviously. Nixon and Johnson probably did. Clinton probably would have, except that it was his wife who had those FBI files pulled and the IRS sent to auditing his enemies.<BR/> <BR/><I>Can a President take what is normally a legal power and use it in an illegal manner by intentionally misapplying it?</I><BR/><BR/>See above.<BR/><BR/><I>Say by declassifying information without following established procedures in order to further political and not national interests?</I><BR/><BR/>No. <BR/><BR/>Those procedures were put in place under his (or his precedesssors') authority.<BR/><BR/><I>Is incompetence in his office ever grounds for impeachment? Could gross incompetence some how be a high crime or misdemeanor?</I><BR/><BR/>Doubtful, but I am sure that you could c come up with some gross incompetence that would put this into question. But not even Carter was that bad. <BR/><BR/><I>Are you okay with the argument that President Clinton could not have illegally transferred classified satellite and rocket navigation technology to China?</I><BR/><BR/>The problem there was that to the extent it was done, it was done for personal, venal, reasons - mostly for illegal campaign contributions (and soliciting campaign contributions in this way in not within his pleanary Article II powers). <BR/><BR/>But if he had done it for strategic reasons, that would have been different.<BR/><BR/>Note, btw, the closest Clinton analogy was his trading those last minute pardons for campaign contributions for his wife and commissions for her brothers. While quite venal, that most likely wasn't impeachable, even if he hadn't been on the way out the door.<BR/><BR/><I>If Reagan had just up and given classified Star Wars Technology to Gorbachev against the advice of the Congress as he declared he wanted to would you have been okay with that?</I><BR/><BR/>I wouldn't have liked it, but it wouldn't have been illegal.<BR/><BR/><I>As has been pointed out, the President cannot illegally disclose confidential information.<BR/><BR/>Come on Bruce, you will have to do better than that.</I><BR/><BR/>Nope. Besides, the stuff that you threw out is different orders of magnitude worse than anything done here by President Bush. He had arguably (which is all that counts) good national defense reasons to do what he did. No second guessing here. Hundreds, if thousands, of documents are declassified every day under his authority, and this was just part of one of them. <BR/><BR/>The question is, who gets to determine which documents are classified and which are not. And the answer is that it is typically someone working for the President, most likely at some median level. But that authority is delegated them by the Executive. In short, they are exercising his power when they do it. <BR/><BR/>So, you are suggesting that his employees can declassify documents and he, from whom they get that power, can't? That doesn't make sense.Bruce Haydenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10815293023158025662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144393958683624412006-04-07T02:12:00.000-05:002006-04-07T02:12:00.000-05:00As has been pointed out, the President cannot ille...<I>As has been pointed out, the President cannot illegally disclose confidential information. The power to classify and declassify information is his, as the Executive, and is arguably part of his plenary Article II powers, and is delegated to those working for him.</I><BR/><BR/>Can a President abuse his legal powers? <BR/><BR/>Can a President take what is normally a legal power and use it in an illegal manner by intentionally misapplying it? Say by declassifying information without following established procedures in order to further political and not national interests?<BR/><BR/>Is incompetence in his office ever grounds for impeachment? Could gross incompetence some how be a high crime or misdemeanor?<BR/><BR/>Are you okay with the argument that President Clinton could not have illegally transferred classified satellite and rocket navigation technology to China?<BR/><BR/>If Reagan had just up and given classified Star Wars Technology to Gorbachev against the advice of the Congress as he declared he wanted to would you have been okay with that?<BR/><BR/><I>As has been pointed out, the President cannot illegally disclose confidential information. </I><BR/><BR/>Come on Bruce, you will have to do better than that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144389020488136122006-04-07T00:50:00.000-05:002006-04-07T00:50:00.000-05:00It's interesting to read how people from different...It's interesting to read how people from different places voice dissatisfaction. A hope for humility and grace? You won't hear someone phrase it that way in, say, San Francisco where I live. <BR/><BR/>The North Carolina complaint appeals to a particular sensibility. We have so many particular sensibilities!chuck b.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00882763861745236443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144388559097042292006-04-07T00:42:00.000-05:002006-04-07T00:42:00.000-05:00"It seems pretty likely that the president has con..."It seems pretty likely that the president has confronted his alcoholism via AA."<BR/><BR/>The preznit never went to AA. He supposedly kicked alcohol all on his own. After Katrina more than one report was heard that he had started drinking again. It would help to explain the mysterious injuries, the pretzel incident, the downtime in Crawford, and Laura's love of Desparate Housewives. "I am married to the president of the United States, and here's our typical evening: Nine o'clock, Mr. Excitement here is sound asleep, and I'm watching Desperate Housewives— with Lynne Cheney. Ladies and gentlemen, I am a desperate housewife. I mean, if those women on that show think they're desperate, they oughta be with George."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144383598269154102006-04-06T23:19:00.000-05:002006-04-06T23:19:00.000-05:00As has been pointed out, the President cannot ille...As has been pointed out, the President cannot illegally disclose confidential information. The power to classify and declassify information is his, as the Executive, and is arguably part of his plenary Article II powers, and is delegated to those working for him. <BR/><BR/>But while we are on the subject of Constitutional powers, I find Libby's motion to dismiss his indictment on the basis of Fitzgerald acting as a principle officer, despite him not being confirmed by the Senate, interesting. Apparently, he has violated any number of DOJ rules, including subpoening reporters - which apparently requires approval by the AG or his deputies. It shall be interesting to see what happens.Bruce Haydenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10815293023158025662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144383145733273602006-04-06T23:12:00.000-05:002006-04-06T23:12:00.000-05:00It seems pretty likely that the president has conf...It seems pretty likely that the president has confronted his alcoholism via AA. What you get from AA doesn't come free; I would guess he has more insight into his own reservoirs of shame and guilt, and the grace one can nonetheless receive, than people who want to play gotcha for the cams.Simon Kentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03569879198630338210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144381757717359452006-04-06T22:49:00.000-05:002006-04-06T22:49:00.000-05:00Brando: That's unacceptable namecalling. You are w...Brando: That's unacceptable namecalling. You are warned.Ann Althousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144376906680646122006-04-06T21:28:00.000-05:002006-04-06T21:28:00.000-05:00"...Why did Bush vow to the American public that h..."...Why did Bush vow to the American public that he would "get to the bottom" of the plame leak if he authorized the leak himself?..."<BR/><BR/>Wait, did I just witness a complete false statement... a totally made up story, a stretching of the truth... did Brando really leap from Bush authorizing Libby to discuss the NIE report a few days ahead of public release to Bush authorizing the leak of Plame's name?<BR/><BR/>Of course! It's pretty typical of the left to pedal their lies and stories... Ho hum.<BR/><BR/>Go back to reading about Che and Hugo, they must make a lot of sense to you.Sloanasaurushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15787488302564761993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144375886771116492006-04-06T21:11:00.000-05:002006-04-06T21:11:00.000-05:00If you read retired randy's blog, it's quite clear...If you read retired randy's blog, it's quite clear that he's probably not a real person. Or at least I hope not, because he's a rather odd fellow with odd opinions. <BR/><BR/>"<I>I think the President should check out the Burlington Liars Club. He's surely had enough practice to easily take first place just about any time he explains something.</I>"<BR/><BR/>Damned witty, Wilde.Steve Donohuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15441506585356799738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144375674522940422006-04-06T21:07:00.000-05:002006-04-06T21:07:00.000-05:00A clarification of my earlier comment. If POTUS d...A clarification of my earlier comment. If POTUS decides to release something/anything he is declassifying it. So he cannot leak classified information, only unclassified or declassified information.Laura Reynoldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15855241652633348350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144373391927239252006-04-06T20:29:00.000-05:002006-04-06T20:29:00.000-05:00retired randy, if you're telling the truth about y...retired randy, if you're telling the truth about your military background, then thank you for your service. That said, your past service doesn't make you immune to criticism for coming in here and spewing silly talking points.<BR/><BR/>"Retired Union Carpenter"<BR/><BR/>Sounds like you have the democrat/leftist union rhetoric down pat.<BR/><BR/>"Growing up, I learned that my country did not start wars, we ended them."<BR/><BR/>Really? Well, who <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing" REL="nofollow">started</A> <A HREF="http://www.911digitalarchive.org/crr/images/CRRDB/data/documents/5346.htm" REL="nofollow">this</A> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War" REL="nofollow"> one</A>? As far as I'm concerned we're finishing what should have been finished 15 years ago.Palladianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01105490715666718993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144371764462577372006-04-06T20:02:00.001-05:002006-04-06T20:02:00.001-05:00to shadycharacter. (apt name.) Yes, I...to shadycharacter. (apt name.) Yes, I'm a bitter old coot who served 6 years in the Army, A life Member of the VFW, and a Retired Union Carpenter, who decided to retire early, so I could get at least some of my social security before it's given to Haliburton or some poor underperforming oil company. Growing up, I learned that my country did not start wars, we ended them. The Uniform Code of Military Justice, called for humane treatment of prisoners of war, and it was drummed into us at every turn. I always assumed my country would never lie to me. Oh yes, I'm a bitter old coot.retired randyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17335940738275872711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144371632854621312006-04-06T20:00:00.000-05:002006-04-06T20:00:00.000-05:00You mean, quzzzzzzzoYou mean, quzzzzzzzoknoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13231876226573540476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1144370178128838532006-04-06T19:36:00.000-05:002006-04-06T19:36:00.000-05:00When it comes to matters of national security, I t...When it comes to matters of national security, I think that the majority of Americans are willing to put their faith in the President to do what needs to be done. <BR/><BR/>The fact of the matter is that we should not even know about these wiretaps. Whoever leaked the information is the enemy here, not the Bush Administration.Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07878406164054524383noreply@blogger.com