tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post105797040265673307..comments2024-03-28T12:19:08.635-05:00Comments on Althouse: Pushback against the news that more women are "marrying down."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger117125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-40361011133531826662014-02-15T17:49:11.155-06:002014-02-15T17:49:11.155-06:00Michael said...
Take some time wherever you are to...Michael said...<br /><i>Take some time wherever you are to visit a marina. If you are on either of the coasts or the Great Lakes all the better. Wander around and be agog at the amount of money that has gone into these boats, the billions of dollars bobbing there in the marinas. Who do you think owns those boats, including the big ones? Investment bankers? Forget it. They are owned by building contractors, plumbing suppliers, electricians They are having the last nautical laughs.</i><br /><br />Indeed. One of my favorite boats moored in the Dana Point Marina is named "Change Order No. 2."<br /><br />Why pick on women's studies? Because it's so deserving of ridicule. But, you're right, he could have just said "studies" without qualifying it further as they're all equally worthless.SukieTawdryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219517365750894110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38723502050692717312014-02-15T17:46:11.107-06:002014-02-15T17:46:11.107-06:00This woman married a man who is beneath her, becau...<i>This woman married a man who is beneath her, because he works with his hands. We have contempt for that kind of expression, but it really is what is being said.</i><br /><br />Is it really that, or is it just that the default assumption is people with college degrees will earn more money?Bob Loblawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11081916786770290968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-62842460449851748372014-02-15T10:09:22.840-06:002014-02-15T10:09:22.840-06:00I know quite a few men in the trades; capenters, p...I know quite a few men in the trades; capenters, plumbers, electricians who make six figure incomes because their skills are in demand. Their skills are in demand because so many of the school districts around here bought into the mantra of "everyone needs to go to college." and scrapped their vocational-technical programs. And the ones I know aren't unionized.RecChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08332736695988953550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7011870132319517622014-02-15T07:58:10.529-06:002014-02-15T07:58:10.529-06:00Approximately 50% of people partake in 'women&...Approximately 50% of people partake in 'women's studies'. We don't get or need a piece of paper, because we do it for the love of it.<br /><br />Sometimes, though, it's a drain. But it has its good sides. And some of those sides are <i>very</i> good.stlcdrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07407669183827851656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-6547002229131257282014-02-14T22:42:46.458-06:002014-02-14T22:42:46.458-06:00He absolutely thinks he's smarter than everyon...<i>He absolutely thinks he's smarter than everyone else</i>.<br /><br />Let me know when he's found a closed form solution for Shroedinger's equation for Helium.<br /><br />On the other hand, Trashhauler's right. He really <i>is</i> smarter than his adversaries.Big Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15831645119853118904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-157907408368262852014-02-14T22:11:19.391-06:002014-02-14T22:11:19.391-06:00If you took a sample of married couples out in the...If you took a sample of married couples out in the boonies where I live, you wouldn't be shocked at all that women are married to men with less education. Guys here seem to get burned out after high school and can, if they are willing to get up every day and go to work, get a damn good paying job with training at eighteen or nineteen. The women tend to be teachers, nurses, accountants and about 60% of the doctors. Most of those men retire after 20 and either start at another shop or work the farm full time. The women work forever. In fact, out of the circle of my neighborhood friends, there are only two of us who make more money than their wife, and only one I can think of who has a more advanced degree than his wife. (I'd say I was equal, but she has a BS in Math and I have a BA in art.)Lost My Cookieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15286131055122678810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50706046518875496932014-02-14T20:27:11.701-06:002014-02-14T20:27:11.701-06:00The flip side to this is that I am often told I &q...The flip side to this is that I am often told I "outkicked my coverage" with my wife. Known Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15029003649395214104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74006286871083690462014-02-14T20:21:39.227-06:002014-02-14T20:21:39.227-06:00I work at a community and technical college, and o...I work at a community and technical college, and our technical programs will produce more graduates who immediately or eventually start a business and keep the capital produced by their labor. Many will probably be wealthier than the wage/salary slaves who let their bossman keep the capital produced by their labor. These tech grads never took econ but they are winning.<br /><br />For further reading, see Thomas Stanley, the Millionaire Next Door. They are my students.kentuckylizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08110491371985845560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-38924944606212413152014-02-14T20:04:13.402-06:002014-02-14T20:04:13.402-06:00"The part about God might reflect some humili..."The part about God might reflect some humility about being blessed, but he surely believes he is blessed with phenomenal intelligence."<br /><br />Or he might believe that his opponents generally are not so blessed - or so intelligent. And he might be correct.<br /><br />Oh, his ego definitely comes into play. He shows the defiant arrogance of one told he can't be all that smart, given his past. So, he makes up for it through self study and the sheer joy which comes from showing up the smart kids.Trashhaulerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12738976179703348520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73450572349023713092014-02-14T18:50:03.669-06:002014-02-14T18:50:03.669-06:00"Oh please. Its meant as a joke."
It..."Oh please. Its meant as a joke."<br /><br />It's like you don't understand what a joke is. I said he was bragging. He means it as hyperbole. He absolutely thinks he's smarter than everyone else.<br /><br />The part about God might reflect some humility about being blessed, but he surely believes he is blessed with phenomenal intelligence.Ann Althousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-39296318837790616052014-02-14T16:54:15.322-06:002014-02-14T16:54:15.322-06:00A good clue that your degree might be worthless: ...<br />A good clue that your degree might be worthless: if your best employment opportunity with that degree is teaching others the same degree.<br /><br />And if that is the case, then whomever you marry, you are marrying 'up'.SomeoneHasToSayIthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03648946322945404947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57560741497922525722014-02-14T16:45:57.035-06:002014-02-14T16:45:57.035-06:00Does anyone remember the LUG phenomenon? When I wa...Does anyone remember the LUG phenomenon? When I was in school, some women choose to bat lesbian for four years so they didn't have the hassle of a male-female relationship. Once they graduated, they were right back to men (or at least most of those I knew were). Lesbian Until Graduation. So I guess sometimes it CAN be a choice.Grimstarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09820785620750907930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56969513883267404432014-02-14T16:16:18.164-06:002014-02-14T16:16:18.164-06:00I'm old enough to recall that many women went ...I'm old enough to recall that many women went to college to get their "MRS". Remember vividly when the bride announced during dinner that "she got her Domer!"<br /><br />Those two are no longer a couple.<br /><br />As I said in an earlier comment, if the marriage is based on 'marrying in either direction', good luck to you!<br /><br />One more thing. Today, being Valentines Day. A day that neither my wife of 28yrs nor I recognize. Don't need a "holiday" once a year to remind us that we love each other...Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10223197569137109478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-72908446634682249802014-02-14T15:45:53.892-06:002014-02-14T15:45:53.892-06:00Seems to me that the woman with a degree in (inser...Seems to me that the woman with a degree in (insert name here) Studies, or history, or English or any of a lot of other subjects is marrying up if they marry a plumber, electrician, welder, refrigeration tech or any of dozens of other fields. <br /><br />She is marrying up economically in most cases.<br /><br />She is also marrying up educationally in most cases. The plumber who went to a 2 year trade school then spent a couple years learning the trade has probably had a more rigorous education than the person with 6 years in most liberal arts programs. <br /><br />The LA folks just need to show up in class, more or less, to get certified as being educated.<br /><br />The LA folks, if they screw up, no matter how badly, nobody is likely to notice. <br /><br />If the plumber, welder etc screws, people can die. <br /><br />It is nice to have some LA majors around but their absence is what would be called a first world problem. Nice to have but not really necessary. Life would roll on without them much the same as before.(Though with perhaps less hand wringing in Slate and Salon)<br /><br />Unlike the plumber et al. <br /><br />You tell me who, in a marriage between a studies major and a plumber who is marrying up and by what measure.<br /><br />John HenryJohn henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13529920006532904660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-4300560906084078412014-02-14T15:06:27.169-06:002014-02-14T15:06:27.169-06:00...because he works with his hands.
When you work...<i>...because he works with his hands.</i><br /><br />When you work with your hands you must also work with your mind. <br /><br />A neighbor who by avocation is a writer but, with his wife, (both college grads) by vocation own a successful graphics design business. In addition he is enjoys renovating buildings and became junior partner with several other non-college bootstrap entrepreneurs who head a partnership that take derelict warehouses in dilapidated industrial parks, negotiate necessary loans and renovate by personally doing most of the reconstruction work. <br /><br />I have nothing unadulterated admiration for those with vision who take the risk to reinvent.lemondoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14606734670170393751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59014686161691384542014-02-14T15:00:24.356-06:002014-02-14T15:00:24.356-06:00I used to hear it described in liberal circles (al...I used to hear it described in liberal circles (all college graduates) that there is no status in having a college degree, but that there is a certain lack of status in not having one. They thought they were being egalitarian, and I thought they were being snobs.carriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18161943772504435936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-14173864016216142132014-02-14T14:57:01.427-06:002014-02-14T14:57:01.427-06:00"Says the man who dropped out of college (and..."Says the man who dropped out of college (and who believes he's so smart he has to have 'half my brain tied around my back just to make it fair')."<br /><br />I don't suppose the concepts of sarcasm and hyperbole have ever come up before?Trashhaulerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12738976179703348520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-51868264097618538422014-02-14T14:55:49.912-06:002014-02-14T14:55:49.912-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Trashhaulerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12738976179703348520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-37015522004451969352014-02-14T14:53:19.827-06:002014-02-14T14:53:19.827-06:00My daughter married down because her college degre...My daughter married down because her college degree led to a high-paying job and her husband stays at home minding the three kids.<br /><br />My son is a PhD audiologist doing research at a good university. His wife makes the money, though. She's a vice president of a major banking firm. <br /><br />Which are happier? I ain't saying.Trashhaulerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12738976179703348520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-65893346949578526202014-02-14T14:50:09.712-06:002014-02-14T14:50:09.712-06:00One additional thought: plumbers, carpenters, and ...One additional thought: plumbers, carpenters, and electricians cannot be outsourced to India or replaced by robots.Big Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15831645119853118904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85481219714627413932014-02-14T14:39:55.505-06:002014-02-14T14:39:55.505-06:00John, you're right, but I think that's mor...John, you're right, but I think that's more of a role within those class scales. Freeman Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202310075717963694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16267401768989863792014-02-14T14:29:20.941-06:002014-02-14T14:29:20.941-06:00"The class scales specifically among mothers ...<i>"The class scales specifically among mothers are, I think:<br />The Fashion and Home Decor Scale<br />The Working Professional Scale<br />The Fitness Scale<br />The Partying Scale (also divided by income)<br />The Morality Scale<br />The Family CEO Scale</i><br /><br />You left off The "In-the-Know" Scale - formerly known as The Gossip Scale. We all know who the "go-to" mom is in the neighborhood.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10223197569137109478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-18311793256726415572014-02-14T14:21:31.044-06:002014-02-14T14:21:31.044-06:00Sometimes being high on one scale will kill one...Sometimes being high on one scale will kill one's rating on another scale. I think most journalists are most familiar with the access to wealth and power scale, the credentials scale, and, specifically among women, the working professional scale. Freeman Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202310075717963694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41057252088374813842014-02-14T14:16:51.571-06:002014-02-14T14:16:51.571-06:00The class scales specifically among mothers are, I...The class scales specifically among mothers are, I think:<br />The Fashion and Home Decor Scale<br />The Working Professional Scale<br />The Fitness Scale<br />The Partying Scale (also divided by income)<br />The Morality Scale<br />The Family CEO Scale Freeman Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202310075717963694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-10890422092112944722014-02-14T14:04:29.671-06:002014-02-14T14:04:29.671-06:00Dory Previn, who lost her husband to Mia Farrow, o...Dory Previn, who lost her husband to Mia Farrow, once wrote a song in which she compared her educated lover to another lover who drove a truck. She liked the truck driver better. She used words that rhymed with truck in the song. I wonder who she was singing about. Although women seem to marry up, they also seem to climb in bed with the lowest sort.<br /><br />I always took Rush's “Talent on loan from Gawd” as traditional Christian theology. Every thing we have is on loan from God. We are merely stewards, not owners. I think Rush's boastful exterior conceals a truly humble man. A lovable little fuzzball.<br />ken in txhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14345764031059905578noreply@blogger.com