tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post1025398148765464250..comments2024-03-18T21:42:21.849-05:00Comments on Althouse: "Everyone seems to ignore that Pelosi started this, saying town hall participants were showing up with swastikas, etc."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-67012489630696459492009-08-11T11:41:31.637-05:002009-08-11T11:41:31.637-05:00"delegitimize", of course."delegitimize", of course.Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-84381461691388037672009-08-11T11:39:48.753-05:002009-08-11T11:39:48.753-05:00"Shouting people down and preventing others f..."<i>Shouting people down and preventing others from being heard is not a sane person's notion of a "conversation." These screamers have no coherent point to make, anyway.</i>"<br /><br />Curious, AL. Why the qualification?<br /><br />Do the rights of protesters to protest depend on having a coherent point to make?<br /><br />Free speech is approved speech?<br /><br />What happened to dissent being Patriotic? Is only approved dissent Patriotic?<br /><br />I will say that you're on the same page as Obama and Pelosi... dismiss the opposition and legitimize the opposition. This saves having to understand someone else's point of view.<br /><br />Is it any wonder that people yell when they are being ignored?Synovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29397373150605171162009-08-11T11:35:02.449-05:002009-08-11T11:35:02.449-05:00"And the protestors have been silencing other..."And the protestors have been silencing other people and calling that "free speech," It was THAT ACTION which Pelosi called un-American. And she's right."<br /><br />This is both false and hypocritical. The vast majority of protestors are civil. The few boisterous events were conveniently edited to omit our elected leaders dismissing the concerns of voters with casual, patently false sound bites. It's hardly a wonder that people get pissed when they figure out their so called representatives simply don't care about their opinion. This is exactly what you should expect when you craft your legislation in secret without allowing all the effected parties to have their say. <br /><br />It's hypocritical because even these few boisterous righties are 1/4 as offensive as leftists protestors have been for decades. And during these decades the political left and the media have gone to great effort to support and normalize their behavior. <br /><br />Now all of a sudden we're supposed to enforce a decorum standard? What a joke. It's pretty telling that the so called liberal's definition of decorum is 100% dependent on the goals of the protestor.MJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10243607071046362268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-77266640055221829422009-08-11T11:24:40.874-05:002009-08-11T11:24:40.874-05:00"For the self employed, I believe there is so..."For the self employed, I believe there is some kind of deduction or tax break for health insurance."<br /><br />This is true but I'm not sure why you think this is relevant. This attempts to equalize self employment to third party employment, but it doesn't address non-employment based insurance.MJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10243607071046362268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59864917868259161242009-08-11T09:52:16.754-05:002009-08-11T09:52:16.754-05:00Today's talking points from the White House...Today's talking points from the White House's Marketing Division's New York Times:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/11/health/policy/11health.html?_r=1&hp" rel="nofollow">White House Adapts to New Playbook in Health Care Debate </a><br /><br />When the White House writes these articles, they still just make this point - trust us! Don't worry about the details. Trust us!Chasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10818855976358768057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-32237520526640389202009-08-11T09:45:43.396-05:002009-08-11T09:45:43.396-05:00AlphaLiberal,
Would love to have links to those p...AlphaLiberal,<br /><br />Would love to have links to those photographs you are referring to.Chasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10818855976358768057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-52568953227414780862009-08-11T08:27:42.517-05:002009-08-11T08:27:42.517-05:00And you lap that shit up, don't you?And you lap that shit up, don't you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80481602189116714402009-08-11T06:29:03.219-05:002009-08-11T06:29:03.219-05:00I think that Chase's "White House quote&q...I think that Chase's "White House quote" may have been taken out of context. <br /><br />Robert Gibbs said that the demonstrators were showing less civility and manners than his six-year-old.AlphaLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08711124490821422066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-13734228038961186672009-08-11T05:17:46.986-05:002009-08-11T05:17:46.986-05:00As a matter of fact, many protestors have been sho...As a matter of fact, many protestors have been showing up swastikas, posters of Obama with a Hitler mustache. It's a simple matter of fact and it's documented in, you know, these "photograph" things you may have heard of. <br /><br />Further, the rightwing "leaders" have been making all kinds of Nazi comparisons. We have the "recordings" of them saying these things. You guys do know of recordings, right? <br /><br />And the protestors have been silencing other people and calling that "free speech," It was THAT ACTION which Pelosi called un-American. And she's right.<br /><br />Shouting people down and preventing others from being heard is not a sane person's notion of a "conversation." These screamers have no coherent point to make, anyway.AlphaLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08711124490821422066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-34986826336414090902009-08-11T02:57:10.825-05:002009-08-11T02:57:10.825-05:00White House Disputes Pelosi Contention that Town H...<a href="http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/08/white-house-disputes-pelosi-contention-that-town-hall-protests-are-un-american.html" rel="nofollow">White House Disputes Pelosi Contention that Town Hall Protests are "Un-American"</a>:<br /><br /><i>"I think there's actually a pretty long tradition of people shouting at politicians in America," White House deputy press secretary Bill Burton told reporters on Air Force One when asked about the comments.<br /><br />"The President thinks that if people want to come and have a spirited debate about health care, a real vigorous conversation about it, that's a part of the American tradition and he encourages that, because people do have questions and concerns ...And so if people want to come and have their concerns and their questions answered, the President thinks that's important.</i>Chasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10818855976358768057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69725624452892286652009-08-11T02:49:26.783-05:002009-08-11T02:49:26.783-05:00Democrat Hypocrites - how short thy memories!::
E...<a href="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/Sunday_Reflections/Remember-when-protest-was-patriotic-52767517.html" rel="nofollow">Democrat Hypocrites - how short thy memories!:</a>:<br /><br /><i>Even disruptive tactics aimed at blocking President Bush's Social Security reform program were merely seen as evidence of boisterous high spirits and robust, wide-open debate. On May 23, 2005, the Savannah Morning News <a href="http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-130823725.html" rel="nofollow">reported</a></i>:<br /><br /><i>By now, Jack Kingston is used to shouted questions, interruptions and boos. Republican congressmen expect such responses these days when they meet with constituents about President Bush's proposal to overhaul Social Security.<br /> <br />“Tinkering with the system is always controversial. To make Bush's plan even more so -- political foes are sending people to Social Security forums armed with hostile questions.<br /><br />By now, Kingston, a Savannah lawmaker and part of the GOP House leadership, has held 10 such sessions and plans at least seven more.</i>Chasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10818855976358768057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-41285713843437501872009-08-11T02:32:12.660-05:002009-08-11T02:32:12.660-05:00Un-American Democrats shouting down Republican law...<a href="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/Sunday_Reflections/Remember-when-protest-was-patriotic-52767517.html" rel="nofollow">Un-American Democrats shouting down Republican lawmakers<br />at townhall meetings</a>:<br /><br /><i>On March 16, USA Today <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-03-16-gop-townhalls_x.htm" rel="nofollow">reported</a> that Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum "was among dozens of members of Congress who ran gantlets of demonstrators and shouted over hecklers at Social Security events last month. Many who showed up to protest were alerted by e-mails and bused in by anti-Bush organizations such as MoveOn.org and USAction, a liberal advocacy group. They came with prepared questions and instructions on how to confront lawmakers."</i>Chasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10818855976358768057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-91016491738160202742009-08-10T23:55:26.886-05:002009-08-10T23:55:26.886-05:00Either make private health care insurance deductib...<i>Either make private health care insurance deductible</i><br /><br />For the self employed, I believe there is some kind of deduction or tax break for health insurance.<br /><br />Tax guys? Where are you?JALhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15503869597362866878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17238617484196467592009-08-10T22:29:09.403-05:002009-08-10T22:29:09.403-05:00If those at the meetings had simply been asking th...If those at the meetings had simply been asking things that were difficult, the Dems wouldn't have as much to hang their hat on. Instead, the leaders of the supposed opposition to BHO have been encouraging people to act like baboons.<br /><br />An example from June from Instapundit - and the better way to do things - is <a href="http://24ahead.com/werent-violent-confrontations-healthcare-townhalls-part-plan" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Seriously: find better leaders, because the ones you have now are demonstrably incompetent.LonewackoDotComhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17942733237455764090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-46465950800199912782009-08-10T19:38:39.901-05:002009-08-10T19:38:39.901-05:00Granny Clampett...Mr Scott is a con man, literally...Granny Clampett...Mr Scott is a con man, literally. He got elected because the 1996 Olympics coming to town caused a mass re-location of the worst slum dwelling, uneducated African Americans out of Atlanta and into a middleclass suburban county south of the Airport. This overnight population shift opened up a new Black power base and people like Scott came in from out of state to organize and control the local politics. The only qualification for Scott and his allies to be elected has always been the black demagogue who verbally abuses whites the most in public. We are so used to these things around here now, that I am surprized that it seems offensive to you.They result was in 7 years a County with the third highest rated school system in Georgia lost its accreditation and now has the next to the lowest test scores in Georgia. When the new black Sheriff was elected, he fired all the white officers the next morning. It has become a third world area today.Mr Scott is its power broker, and he is always incensed when a white person speaks to him with a voice of authority.traditionalguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706120413005530014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25270466738226341632009-08-10T17:40:54.067-05:002009-08-10T17:40:54.067-05:00Here is a video of my representative, Tom Scott, a...Here is a video of my representative, Tom Scott, addressing a group of constituents (although he denies that) when health care reform was brought up by a physician (or, according to Rep. Scott, an insurance company plant sent there to highjack the meeting.)<br />http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=133599&provider=top<br /><br />Nice fella, isn't he? So respectful of the people he works for.GrannyClampetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02329607924184230166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16128221901921617422009-08-10T17:40:06.259-05:002009-08-10T17:40:06.259-05:00Nancy Pelosi will be the poster girl for the 2010 ...Nancy Pelosi will be the poster girl for the 2010 elections. She's well on her way to being "Newt Gingrich in a skirt". Eight years of comparing the right to the Nazis is a lot of banked payback just starting to cashed.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11415427249898754955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-78579175375482026822009-08-10T17:33:58.676-05:002009-08-10T17:33:58.676-05:00Sorry, that should have been "pool of uninsur...Sorry, that should have been "pool of <i>uninsured</i> people."Balfegorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08012196656096263507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15915659896476675562009-08-10T17:31:40.244-05:002009-08-10T17:31:40.244-05:00Better to let people deduct the cost of their heal...<i>Better to let people deduct the cost of their health insurance, which would induce more people to buy health insurance - and isn't that what Leftists have been telling us all along that's what they really want</i>?<br /><br />Well, sure, but seriously -- do you honestly think there's a large pool of people making enough money and paying enough of it in tax that a tax break for health insurance would affect their behaviour meaningfully?<br /><br />I mean, there's a <i>few</i> -- I recall one absolutely bizarre story from 2006, I think it was, (for the SCHIP expansion) about an upper middle class family that had simply decided not buy health insurance for their children. But there's not too many.Balfegorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08012196656096263507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-70601510279923631002009-08-10T16:56:16.777-05:002009-08-10T16:56:16.777-05:00rhhardin -
"Either make private health care...rhhardin - <br /><br />"Either make private health care insurance deductible, or tax business supplied health care."<br /><br />Better to make health insurance deductible. Making something taxable just increases the flow of dollars to Washington and then raises issues about who's getting taxed, and who isn't and why aren't more people paying taxes, etc.<br /><br />Better to let people deduct the cost of their health insurance, which would induce more people to buy health insurance - and isn't that what Leftists have been telling us all along that's what they really want?<br /><br />So: is it really more tax revenue or more insured people that you want?<br /><br />How you answer the deductibility vs. taxability question will reveal what's really most important to you.Jim Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10489941526094600428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-88789734720401811252009-08-10T16:55:21.977-05:002009-08-10T16:55:21.977-05:00By gum ElcubanitoKC, I think you're right. Sy...By gum ElcubanitoKC, I think you're right. Synova nailed it! They are all fascists under the hood.Triangle Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02287119175364820011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-76411133745430965232009-08-10T16:35:19.438-05:002009-08-10T16:35:19.438-05:00Taxing health care benefits is a good idea, in fac...Taxing health care benefits is a good idea, in fact. I'm surprised the left put it in there.<br /><br />The tax-free status of health care benefits is what started the whole health care mess.<br /><br />Your employer can buy health care cheaper than you can, is the distortion.<br /><br />Either make private health care insurance deductible, or tax business supplied health care.<br /><br />The latter is the better idea, since it doesn't favor spending on health over other things.rhhardinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06901742898653890646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-9064567488124116512009-08-10T16:30:40.714-05:002009-08-10T16:30:40.714-05:00Synova, bravo!Synova, bravo!Ernesto Ariel Suárezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01958402720156270521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-7858363771913903682009-08-10T16:09:43.681-05:002009-08-10T16:09:43.681-05:00You'd think with all the cameras in cell phone...You'd think with all the cameras in cell phones and a sychophantic press that we'd actully see a bunch of those swastika photos Pelosi mentions. Where are they?<br /><br />When Pelosi said she didn't believe the protests were real because the protestors were so well dressed, I guess she just has no experience with protestors who use basic hygiene.Larry Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07005320430740976182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-59842411430342328262009-08-10T15:12:37.732-05:002009-08-10T15:12:37.732-05:00BusHitler.
Enough said on this subject.BusHitler.<br /><br />Enough said on this subject.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09660985912457766907noreply@blogger.com