February 21, 2020

"Shh! You'll wake up the monkey" — We now know Trump's favorite movie.



There was a time when this business had the eyes of the whole wide world. But that wasn't good enough. Oh, no! They wanted the ears of the world, too. So they opened their big mouths, and out came talk, talk, talk... And who have they got now? Some nobodies — a lot of pale little frogs croaking pish-posh.... Words! Words! You've made a rope of words and strangled this business! But there is a microphone right there to catch the last gurgles, and Technicolor to photograph the orange, swollen tongue!

Yes, Trump was raving last night. In Colorado Springs. One of his many topics was the fact that a South Korean film had won the Best Picture Oscar:
"How bad were the Academy Awards this year? Did you see? And the winner is: a movie from South Korea. What the hell was that all about? We've got enough problems with South Korea, with trade. On top of it, they give them the best movie of the year? Was it good? I don't know? I'm looking for — where? — can we get 'Gone with the Wind' back please? 'Sunset Boulevard.' So many great movies. The winner is: from South Korea. I thought it was Best Foreign Film. Best Foreign Movie. No. Has this ever happened before? And then you have Brad Pitt. I was never a big fan of his. He got up, said little wise guy statement.* Little wise guy. He's a little wise guy."
Now, the most interesting part of all that was saying "Sunset Boulevard."

Some people might say, no, the important thing was disrespecting South Korea or disrespecting films that are not American. But that's just his usual America-first rhetoric. We should be the best. Other countries may compete, and good for them, but we should play to win. Certainly, the film industry is a place where America has traditionally won big. So we should win every year.

Some people might say that the important thing was that when he needed to think of examples of American greatness in film, the first thing he thought of was "Gone with the Wind" — a movie that takes the Southern side in the Civil War and presents slavery in a positive light. How out of touch can you get? Or was he dog-whistling to present-day racists? Ah, "Gone with the Wind," those were the days! Is he nostalgic for old movies or for the Old South? Or is he just trying to sidetrack his critics into making weak accusations against him?

But I say the most interesting partis that after he cited "Gone with the Wind" — the most conspicuous Old Hollywood movie — he paused and said "Sunset Boulevard." Now, "Sunset Boulevard" is a great old movie. It's one of the few movies that has its own tag on this blog, one of my all-time favorites. But it is a smaller, more artsy, more film buff choice. It must be a movie he actually cares about. Does he identify with the main character, Norma Desmond? She's an aging actress, who has become sidelined, but she dreams of becoming big again, and it's all quite delusional. Think about what it means for Trump to identify with that... and then to find himself on the presidential stage.


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* Pitt's "little wise guy statement" — accepting the Best Supporting Actor Oscar — was: "They told me you only have 45 seconds up here, which is 45 seconds more than the Senate gave John Bolton this week. I'm thinking maybe Quentin does a movie about it. In the end, the adults do the right thing."

IN THE COMMENTS: Temujin says something that completely resonates with me:

I turned on Trump's speech and saw he had printed out old Drudge Report headlines from the Republican primary stage of 4 years ago. He was going over his lead in the polls- again- from 4 years ago. I could not watch him reciting poll numbers again.

Seriously, this is not a normal mind. He's got some real deal issues. He's somewhere on some spectrum. But he's a functioning person on that spectrum (whatever it is). And he's actually a highly functional person on that spectrum.

He's not nuts. He's...brain-different. But he's definitely not normal. I get that people will stand in line for days to catch one of his 'shows'. He's an entertainer. And though it's not a show I can watch, it still makes me smile and shake my head as I turn it off. But behind closed doors, in the Oval Office, he is trying to point the country in the direction he thinks works best for...get this...American citizens. It's such a novel approach it seems out of control and crazy to the Washington establishment, and the media (but I repeat myself).

We will never see the likes of Trump again. Enjoy the ride while it's here. You'll all be telling your kids and grandkids about it in a few years.

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Lincolntf said...

I don't know if favorite movies say much about a person. My favorites are Jaws, Network and Raiders of the Lost Ark

rehajm said...

I saw the Korean film at home. It was supposedly about class struggle and economic mobility in Korea. It wowed the Cannes crowd because it was great agitprop for the liberals what rail against inequality in the United States. Hollywood didn't really get it since they don't speak Korean but there were poor people in it killing rich people so they said we can make it fit our politics. Best Picture!

It's the pictures that got small...

Temujin said...

I turned on Trump's speech and saw he had printed out old Drudge Report headlines from the Republican primary stage of 4 years ago. He was going over his lead in the polls- again- from 4 years ago. I could not watch him reciting poll numbers again.

Seriously, this is not a normal mind. He's got some real deal issues. He's somewhere on some spectrum. But he's a functioning person on that spectrum (whatever it is). And he's actually a highly functional person on that spectrum.

He's not nuts. He's...brain-different. But he's definitely not normal. I get that people will stand in line for days to catch one of his 'shows'. He's an entertainer. And though it's not a show I can watch, it still makes me smile and shake my head as I turn it off. But behind closed doors, in the Oval Office, he is trying to point the country in the direction he thinks works best for...get this...American citizens. It's such a novel approach it seems out of control and crazy to the Washington establishment, and the media (but I repeat myself).

We will never see the likes of Trump again. Enjoy the ride while it's here. You'll all be telling your kids and grandkids about it in a few years.

rehajm said...

I'm thinking maybe Quentin does a movie about it. In the end, the adults do the right thing.

That movie's been made. It's a documentary called Reality.

Laslo Spatula said...
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Ryan said...

Who watches movies anymore? I don't. I haven't seen a single one of the nominated films except for Marriage Story. The Academy is so woke they cant even find a host. Ricky Gervais was right.

Laslo Spatula said...

View "Sunset Boulevard" in the context of Martin Scorcese's comments a few weeks back about 'cinema' vs. the overblown superhero movie entertainments.

He could easily film a remake, with an 'actorly' actor (Meryl Streep, perhaps) decrying spandex and CGI and the slavish catering to the Chinese market .

It's not that the movies got small, it's that they got way too damned big.

I'm ready for my close-up, Mr. Scorcese.

I am Laslo.

Temujin said...

I don't know that I have a favorite movie. It changes over time. But there are some that have stuck with me. Love "The Verdict:, with Paul Newman. Also- "Absence of Malice" with Paul Newman (pretty much anything with Paul Newman- Cool Hand Luke, Hombre, Nobody's Fool, The Hustler, Road to Perdition, and of course, The Sting and Butch Cassidy)

In the late 60s/early 70s I thought Midnight Cowboy was just about the best movie in history. Still think it was Dustin Hoffman's best role. And Jon Voight...for a coming out, it was masterful.

But there are so many more...and the 'best of' list changes over time.

Ryan said...

Brad Pitt has, what, six kids? None of them even like him, and he couldn't stay married because he cheated on his wife. And we are supposed to take advice from him?

Ron Winkleheimer said...

You don't have to identify with the Norah Desmond character to like Sunset Boulevard. And I don't think you have to have seen it to cite it like Trump did. It's an acknowledged classic. Its in the same category as books that everyone acknowledges as classics, but few people have read.

Oh, and a few weeks ago I happened to come across Gone With The Wind on TCM and I stopped to watch it. My wife was shocked. "You are watching Gone With The Wind!" She exclaimed. "Well, in today's America watching Gone With The Wind is a subversive action.

rhhardin said...

The great films have acting conventions that put me off. "I am an actor and here is my line." It's sort of a laugh-track effect.

Ryan said...

I tried watching The Irishman and got only 30 mins in. Boring as hell. And Scorsese wants to lecture Americans about their viewing habits?

Shouting Thomas said...

A couple of my friends attended the rally last night and posted many pics on FB.

They sat in line all day to buy tickets, as if they were kids going to a rock concert.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

Apparently they are doing a remake of Sunset Boulevard with Glenn Close. And its going to be a musical.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/03/glenn-close-sunset-boulevard-director

doctrev said...

I too loved Network. I also thought Jurassic Park was not only Spielberg's best movie, with an outstanding cast, but also was the vanguard of the CGI revolution that used some of the most amazing animatronics in history. Gone With the Wind is an American classic, and only a black supremacist could possibly take issue with that.

That said- dammit Professor, put down the box wine! Donald Trump identifying with an obviously over the hill actress with delusions of relevance?? Seriously? Maybe it's a rhetorical question, but the answer is "obviously fucking not," which takes most of the rhetorical impact out of it. It's clearly a reference to Hillary Clinton, and not a terribly subtle one. The difference being, of course, that Hillary has never had a husband who cared about her well being, and was never attractive.

Sally327 said...

My most recent favorite movie is "Baby Driver". I also liked "The Martian" and "Mad Max Fury Road". Oh and "Logan Lucky". I'm always a couple of years behind on movies.

I don't think Sunset Boulevard is necessarily his favorite movie. Just one that came to his mind because it's considered so iconic now. When I think of movies and Trump, I think of "Wall Street".

Amexpat said...

Don't think Trump will lose any votes with this. The general public is probably baffled that a non English language film got best picture rather than a film from another country (many British films have won without any notice).

Trump probably went with "Gone With the Wind" because it is synonymous for a huge box office hit for someone of Trump's age and it's a film that everyone has heard of. I agree that the choice of Sunset Boulevard is more of a film buff reference and says something about Trump's taste or how he wants his taste to be perceived.

Laslo Spatula said...

My favorite film is generally the one I just finished making.

Currently, that is the short "Ed Gein in Hollywood". It is an Ed Gein film that doesn't get caught up in his dark lore à la "Psycho".

Instead, he is a simple man with a dementia-riddled mother, who dreams of going to Hollywood to be a movie star cowboy.

His dream spins from his viewing the soap opera "Pride and Wisconsin Passions" (where a German bank officer is repossessing a farm widow's home) to the set of "Rodeo Range".

And he becomes the biggest singing cowboy star in Hollywood.

I don't think the Chinese market would get it.

But it is the kind of movie Althouse should be watching.

I am Laslo.

rhhardin said...

I'm liking Spiral at the moment, which is French. It's the series genre, though, not an actual movie genre. Various characters looking for redemption.

MadisonMan said...

Sunset Blvd won no Oscars, as I recall.

rhhardin said...

In a Day (2006), Stranger than Fiction (2006) are offbeat good.

AMDG said...

Up until a few years ago GWTW was considered a great movie. As a kid in the 60’s I remember my mother going to see it when it would roll out to the theaters every year.

For mine I love “American Graffiti” ( the best thing Lucas ever did), “Animal House”, “Local Hero” and “Goodfellas”.

As for last year - “1917” and “Once Upon a Time . . . .” were worthy; “The Irishman” was okay - it was too long and the “deaging” detracted from the film; I did not see any of the others.

I saw the “Sunset” musical and Close was fantastic.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

How was Paul Ryan's tax cut for billionaires, Trumps only significant piece of legislation, pointing "the country in the direction he thinks works best for...get this...American citizens"?

Chuck said...

TDS. Trump Dementia Syndrome.

Limited blogger said...

I liked Waterworld. Don't hold that against me.

Laslo Spatula said...

"For mine I love “American Graffiti” ( the best thing Lucas ever did)..."

His wife deserves a lot of the credit for that, and for 'Star Wars'.

She was the one who actually made sure there were characters that you cared about, and her editing made Star Wars, in particular, effective.

Lucas' original Star Wars ending didn't have the ticking clock of the Death Star about to blow up the planet; it was just another space battle, with no real dramatic force other than it being the end of the movie.

She edited it (with voiceovers over reused or discarded footage to hide the seams) into what it is now.

When she was gone you got the real George Lucas: the prequel trilogy.

I am Laslo.

David Begley said...

Feel the early morning madness,
The magic in the making,

On the Althouse blog.

tcrosse said...

Kind Hearts and Coronets is my favourite.

Known Unknown said...

Maybe Trump actually fears he'll end up dead in a swimming pool.

William said...

GWTW was, in its way, an inclusive movie. The black characters have speaking roles and an impact on the drama. Compare that to Edna Ferber and Lillian Hellman movies where the black characters are dignified coat holders and scenic background. Moreover, there was a time when the challenge was to make white southerners feel part of the country and to humanize their struggles. White southerners were part of the New Deal coalition and their problems were treated with respect and sympathy. Now they're Republicans, so fuck 'em....Your de facto favorite movies are the ones you see more than once. GWTW, Star Wars, The Wizard of Oz, The Godfather. Jaws--these are the movies everyone has seen a few times. How many times do you want to see Schindler's List or Scenes From a Marriage

Laslo Spatula said...

Re: my 7:36 comment:

How Star Wars was saved in the edit

Also: Google 'Marcia Lucas Star Wars': sad that she was kept in the shadows.

I am Laslo.

David Begley said...

I’ve spent so many mornings,
Just trying to resist you,.

Mary Beth said...

I watch a lot of Korean TV and movies. I bought "Parasite" the day it was available for streaming and started watching immediately. I stopped about halfway through and still haven't finished it.

I thought Trump's favorite movie was "Bloodsport".

I'm Full of Soup said...

Movies I can watch again and again.

Shooter
Jurassic Park
Get Shorty

Favorites include:

One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest
Gladiator - great music too- makes you want to run out of the theater and decapitate a Hun.

I also saw Baby Driver and it was entertaining which is what I want in a movie


Known Unknown said...

Kind Hearts and Coronets is my favourite

"My Memoir!"

Known Unknown said...

Don't believe everything you read. Watch for yourself.

I enjoyed Parasite. You sympathize a little with the downtrodden family, but the story never lets you forget that they are grifters. The tragedy that befalls them can be believed to have been deserved due to their own actions. The rich/poor divide is noted, but neither group has ownership of being noble -- both are human, fallible, and flawed.

Known Unknown said...

"Also: Google 'Marcia Lucas Star Wars': sad that she was kept in the shadows."

Marcia was George's NO man. They divorced, and you got to see the results after Empire Strikes Back.

Known Unknown said...

"How was Paul Ryan's tax cut for billionaires, Trumps only significant piece of legislation, pointing "the country in the direction he thinks works best for...get this...American citizens"?

This tired trope again? The numbers aren't in your favor. (Outside of the debt which neither party really cares about)

William said...

Hollywood looks to Hollywood for the great roles for aging actresses. Over in England, Queen Elizabeth (both editions) serve that function for aging English actresses. We don't have a royal family in America and the wives of our great men are mostly an uninspiring lot so we're stuck with aging movie stars playing the roles of aging movie stars to provide work for our living legends. Joan Crawford, Judy Garland, Frances Farmer have all provided material for Oscar worth performances. It's all very self referential, and it's going meta. Wasn't there a movie about the making of Whatever Happened to Baby Jane.....I think Rene Zellweger should make a movie about Hedy Lemar. There was a woman who for all her brilliance became a victim of her own vanity and had to live in seclusion.

Rory said...

I was hoping this would be about Gloria Swanson on The Beverly Hillbillies. The episode was just on this morning. I think MeTV has a separate western feed in an hour.

Here is a Bloomberg article from 2016. It's about Trump, the movies, and Sunset Boulevard:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2016-06-09/donald-trump-is-a-yuge-movie-star

dustbunny said...

I love Kind Hearts and Coronets but for a great movie, an epic film, my vote always goes to Lawrence of Arabia.

John Althouse Cohen said...

No, Trump's favorite movie is Citizen Kane.

Just an old country lawyer said...

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

William said...

I didn't see Parasite, but I saw Snowpiercer. It had a different take on the class struggle. I would speculate that Korean filmmakers what with their proximity to North Korea might have a somewhat skeptical attitude towards Marxist ideology that conflicts with their instincts to portray the profit motive as corrupt and evil.

Michael McNeil said...

Gladiator - great music too- makes you want to run out of the theater and decapitate a Hun.

There were no “Huns” in Gladiator.

tim maguire said...

Ryan said...I tried watching The Irishman and got only 30 mins in. Boring as hell.

I couldn't get past the old man playing a young man. It made everything look wrong.

The Historian said...

Trump on Turner Classic Movies in 2007:

https://www.facebook.com/tcmbacklot/videos/832670003558218/

Amadeus 48 said...

ARM--You have to touch down every now and then on Planet Earth. Check this out next time you are in Spaceport:

A person I am very close to is in the highest income bracket, and his taxes went up under "Paul Ryan's tax cut for billionaires". He is not a billionaire, so I don't know how that would work, but taxes for most rich people went up. In his case, he is paying about $20,000 more than he would have under the old tax law. That is nothing to sneeze at, as my friend says.

These things get harder to calculate over time, because behaviors change in response to incentives--people move from high tax states to low tax states, for example. But the first year of a new tax system lets you compare old and new. Most rich people saw their federal income taxes go up in 2019.

tim maguire said...

For a long time, Amadeus was my favorite movie and I could watch it over and over. Then my sister gave me a copy the director's cut. We used to think the director's cut was some special version too good for the theatres (extra scenes!), but it turns out most of that crap wound up on the cutting room floor for a reason. It ruined the movie for me.

The Usual Suspects--you have to see it twice to understand it and another half dozen times to get all it has to offer.

Ralph L said...

There were no “Huns” in Gladiator.

I believe the opening battle scene had Germans as the bad guys.

Mal said...

John Althouse Cohen, that was fantastic clip!

https://youtu.be/a63ymFn6nS0

Interviewer: If you could give Charles Foster Kane advice, what would you say to him?
The Donald: Get yourself a different woman.

So. Many. Gems.

Todd said...

dustbunny said...

I love Kind Hearts and Coronets but for a great movie, an epic film, my vote always goes to Lawrence of Arabia.

2/21/20, 8:03 AM


This! The vistas, the story, the acting. Once of my favorites as well. Own it on BlueRay.

Others include Usual Suspects, most of Clint Eastwood's stuff, most of John Wayne's stuff, most of M Night Shyamalan's stuff.

I enjoy a number of "quirky" films as well. Most of the Pixar productions, King Fu Hustle (version with English subtitles), Naked Lunch, etc.

Sydney said...

There are two movies that I enjoy watching again and again. The first is Gone With the Wind. The second is Sunrise, A Song of Two Humans. I guess I like Romance.

Lloyd W. Robertson said...

Not my favorite movie but: Robin Wright in "The Congress": "An aging, out-of-work actress accepts one last job, though the consequences of her decision affect her in ways she didn't consider."
The studio digitally creates the most beautiful image of her--using so to speak her own natural features at a certain age--so that they can make an infinite number of movies with this hologram or whatever. She signs away all rights to the use of her own real body or image--she can't even appear in a local amateur play. This captures the old complaint that aging actresses can't get work--although now, even if there is a gap from age 50 to 60, the 80 year olds seem to be doing very well--along with the idea that new movie technology can put "stars" out of work.

Were the so-called silent movies actually a more powerful medium? More of a shock? Just as the wire-type telephone might have been more of a shock than anything we have seen since then?

Mr Wibble said...

Trump is a salesman. It's basically a sales (or seduction, they're often indistinguishable) technique. The whole polls from four years ago thing is to remind audiences of how they felt when Trump won against all odds, convince doubters that it means that Trump is again being underestimated, and create a bond between Trump and the viewers that will hopefully encourage them to get out and vote again in November.

AllenS said...

Temujin, none of us are normal. We are all different in our own little ways.

Churchy LaFemme: said...

When I finally saw "Lawrence of Arabia" in the Fathom Events restored version a couple of years ago, I was underwhelmed. Some nice shots, but the story & characters were so-so.

As far as movies I can watch over & over, I have seen both "The Little Mermaid" and "The Incredibles" upwards of 50 times each in movie theaters. (I pretty much don't do home video).

James K said...

Chinatown is always on my list of favorites. Talk about the "deep state"!

Amadeus 48 said...

Casablanca is the best.

Bogart, Bergman, Claude Rains, Paul Henreid, Dooley Wilson, Greenstreet, Lorre, all those great character actors, Nazis, idealism on the fly, ironies abounding, "The Germans wore gray, you wore blue." "I am shocked, shocked to find there is gambling going on in this establishment!" "Round up all the usual suspects." Has the Marseillaise ever sounded better?

Fernandinande said...

My fave fabs are the Coen brothers' various "stupid criminals fuck up" movies. And their other movies.

Todd said...

Oh and "Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy"...

Michael McNeil said...

I believe the opening battle scene had Germans as the bad guys.

Exactly. Germans (pace British propaganda during the two world wars) aren't Huns — who arrived on the European scene a quarter of a millennium after Marcus Aurelius, and moreover b) originally came from (not that many years before), basically, Mongolia. The Chinese called them Xiongnu.

Dave Begley said...

I just know from the comments that you will all LOVE my "Frankenstein, Part II" with a cameo by Frau Althouse (no relation).

"Ford v. Ferrari" should have won this year. Great! Watched it twice.

Rory said...

"Bogart, Bergman, Claude Rains, Paul Henreid, Dooley Wilson, Greenstreet, Lorre, all those great character actors...."

It seems that Jack Benny was an extra in Casablanca, and there was a promotion where if you could spot him in the background you won free movie tickets.

roesch/voltaire said...

As far as I can tell Trump's favorite movie is From Russia with Love, and based on the WH invites his cultural interest are somewhere between Ted Nugent and tweeter.

sdharms said...

Gone with the Wind was NOT a celebrationof slavery but was an historical drama, with romance in wartime. Get over yourselves, Yankees.

purplepenquin said...

...he couldn't stay married because he cheated on his wife. And we are supposed to take advice from him?

You talking about Brad Pitt or Donald Trump?

Heh - trick question! The answer is "both".

Dave Begley said...

In March 2019 it was announced that Glenn Close would start in the movie "Sunset Boulevard."

It shows as "in production" on IMDB.

tcrosse said...

Vertigo.

Enlighten-NewJersey said...

Gone With the Wind produced the first African American to win an Oscar.

tcrosse said...

Jack Benny starred in To Be Or Not To Be, which went down the memory hole until after his death.

Ken B said...

My favorite movies
The Miracle of Morgan's Creek
Vertigo
Seven Samurai
The More the Merrier

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The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

Since this is turning into a favorite movie thread I’ll have to cast a vote for The Conversation. The bit where Hackman plays the saxaphone along with the turntable always floors me and I have no idea why. Plus, it’s ambient evocation of the early ‘70’s is amazing. It feels like walking down a city street in 1973. Like someone is going to jack Patty Hearst at any moment. And I was just a kid at the time.

tim in vermont said...

"Seriously, this is not a normal mind. He's got some real deal issues. He's somewhere on some spectrum. But he's a functioning person on that spectrum (whatever it is). And he's actually a highly functional person on that spectrum. “

Like Howard said in one of his actual insightful comments, sometimes what we call “on the spectrum” is what Nietzsche called “ubermench” or superman. Of course Howard attributed the idea of ubermench to Packers great Ray Nitschke.

I agree that Trump is “not normal” and I agree that he applies his talents in a way to help those of us who are. I have long ago stopped trying to guess what his next move will be or whether something he does will work out or not. His refusal to be normal is what makes him such a tough opponent.

Mike Sylwester said...

I watched the South Korean movie Parasite with my wife. This happened a couple weeks before the Academy Awards show.

After I watched the movie, I wrote on my Facebook page that it was the worst movie I ever watched in my life. (My wife hated the movie too.)

I did not know it was nominated for Best Movie at the Academy Awards. I was astonished that it won the award for Best Movie.

Ken B said...

Tcrosse
Some great choices.

Rory said...

"The Miracle of Morgan's Creek"

Hilarious movie.

tcrosse said...

In March 2019 it was announced that Glenn Close would start in the movie "Sunset Boulevard."

Close starred in the Broadway musical version with book and lyrics by Don Black and Christopher Hampton, and music by Andrew Lloyd Webber.

narciso said...

I second with ford vs Ferrari and add 1917, to the mix,

the conversation came after godfather, it's a little unwieldy,

ExplainMeMore said...

Trump's questioning Parasite winning Best Picture by saying "What the hell was that all about?" perfectly captures his instinctual appeal to middle America. Trump will unashamedly flaunt his low to middle brow tastes all day long and his supporters just eat it up.

tim in vermont said...

"As far as I can tell Trump's favorite movie is From Russia with Love, “

R/V says *without evidence*.

Don’t worry though! Bloomie is ready to sell us out to the Chinese to save the day!

tim in vermont said...

"Trump will unashamedly flaunt his low to middle brow tastes all day long and his supporters just eat it up.”

Meanwhile Democrats firmly believe that they know what is best for the people they design to rule, all the while deploring what those people actually want and like.

DarkHelmet said...

Galaxy Quest is the greatest film ever made. Change my mind.

Sunset Boulevard is beautifully shot but the script is not that good. The voiceover was a mistake.

tim in vermont said...

From Russia with love did have one of the better Bond girls though.

rcocean said...

It's amazing how everything Trump does/says gets turned into something negative. How many Billionaires or Presidents CARE about movies? How many have the taste to like old classics like GWTW or Sunset Blvd? Not only that, but these are WOMEN"S MOVIES. So, does Trump get credit for that? Of course not.

Trump's our national cheerleader, which is what the President should be. That's not "odd" - that's normal. What's weird is this American liberal bourgeois attitude of being anti-American and rooting for foreigners. Now that's strange.

And please spare me the boring "GWTW is racist". If you think that: Fuck You.

tim in vermont said...

"Galaxy Quest is the greatest film ever made. Change my mind.”

It’s up there. I like Apocalypse Now, but I couldn’t prove that it's a better movie than Galaxy Quest.

Doug said...

The Road Warrior, Crimes and Misdemeanors, and Michael Clayton. Also, That Thing You Do.

DarkHelmet said...
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tcrosse said...

There's a scene in Sunset Blvd where the butler is screening a Norma Desmond movie that he had directed. It's actually Queen Kelly, which starred Gloria Swanson and was directed by Erich von Stroheim. How's that for self-referential?

rcocean said...

Regarding Star Wars. Movies are a collaborative effort. Directors get too much credit and too much blame. Like QB's on a Football team. Wilder gets all the credit for Sunset Blvd. Not one mentions he had a Oscar winning co-writer called "Charles Brackett". Or that William Holden was his 3rd choice and his his first two would have been disasters (Monty Clift and John Garfield). Or that the paramount executives road herd on the movie and had their input.

Was casting Gloria Swanson Wilder's idea? Its unclear.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

As everyone knows, or should know, anecdotes are not data.

"Thanks to the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, top earners are also expected to get the biggest overall reduction in taxes over the five-year period studied by the CBO — their tax rate is projected to slide by 3 percentage points over the next two years, versus a dip of only 1 percentage point for the bottom 95% of earners, according to the CBO. The tax rate for households in the 96th to 99th percentiles is expected to fall by 2 percentage points."

mockturtle said...

While Parasite was quite good, it wasn't really Best Picture material and it shows how weak the competition was.

Mike Sylwester said...

William at 7:45 AM
How many times do you want to see ... Scenes From a Marriage

I have seen Scenes from a Marriage twice -- about 40 years apart.

This is one the best movies I ever have watched -- but 40 years is a good gap for watching it the second time.

Michael K said...

Enlighten-NewJersey said...

Gone With the Wind produced the first African American to win an Oscar.


I was going to say that and am surprised it took so long to see it. It is still a classic even though the Red Guards are banning it.

I also like "Absence of Malice" and watch it every few months.

Last night we watched "My Man Godfrey," a typical Depression farce. A bit preachy but I like Bill Powell and Carol Lombard.

narciso said...

well parasite is uniquely about Korean matters and interests, ford vs Ferrari, was about America triumphing over Europe, with a dyspeptic brit, then again which will likely stand the test of time, Kramer vs Kramer won over apocalypse, which one is remember, same with Shakespeare in love, almost 20 years later,

rcocean said...

BTW, TRump is talking to a big crowd of average Americans, he has to mention movies they know. GWTW is probably one of the most famous movies of all time, and very American. Same with Sunset Blvd. He could have mentioned "Casablanca" but that's all foreigners except for Bogart and "Sam".

Known Unknown said...

"Gladiator - great music too- makes you want to run out of the theater and decapitate a Hun."

Gladiator had such a let down of an ending, though. Sure, it's great to see Joaquin Phoenix get his just desserts, but there's very little stakes once that fight begins — we know who is going to win.

Howard said...

Nice choice Cracker. My old man took me to see "The Conversation" in the theater, I was 13. It blew my doors off. No question Coppola's best. I watch it every five years. One of the best cast's ever assembled. I love the feeling of nostalgia you get for analog electronics.

Michael K said...


"Thanks to the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, top earners are also expected to get


Selective quotes by the left.

Why not tell the rest of the truth?

The CEA report is long, 435 pages with appendices. But the most important points can be summarized in a few graphs. The unemployment rate is a flawed but important metric. This shows how unemployment has declined, contrary to what was predicted by the Congressional Budget Office prior to the 2016 election:

Record low unemployment, especially for minorities who will re-elect TRump in a landslide.

Since you brought it up.

DarkHelmet said...

My Man Godfrey is one of the best things ever produced by Hollywood.

Other great ones: Maltese Falcon, Bringing Up Baby, Swing Time.

Even though it's in color I have to say North by Northwest is in the top ten for me.

Alcibiades said...

Gone with the Wind has a heroine that has to keep on inventing herself and staying tough minded about business to succeed, whatever her politics and the issues about slaves. She's the one that steers her extended family safely through all the obstacles they meet while sacrificing her personal happiness largely.

She's a business woman. She is not a moral exemplar or a kind woman but an exemplar of a certain kind of tough leadership pulling everyone through safely in her wake. I can see why Trump would like her.

mockturtle said...

Narciso, I'd forgotten about Kramer vs Kramer over Apocalypse Now, one of the most impressive and haunting films ever made. Maybe Weinstein's influence was involved in the win. And Dustin Hoffman, best actor? LOL!

Howard said...

Cracker... Yeah I'm getting chills just remembering that scene in the striped apartment playing the sax. Ending a film or a story is the most difficult part that's got to be one of the best endings ever, next to "mine fuhrer I can walk".

No question Gene Hackman greatest actor of all time.

Known Unknown said...

King Fu Hustle

Hell yes.

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narciso said...

as the tragic hero, maximus couldn't ultimately win, in reality, commodus hung around for another dozen years

Howard said...

My grandsons and I have been watching all of the early James Bond movies because they are rated PG. Mom says yes to that. In any event one of the observations have they made was that the girls always save his ass at the end. All the women in the family of course think I am indoctrinating the boys into toxic masculinity but out of the mouths of babes they provided the perfect cover story.

narciso said...

maybe the academy didn't want to confront the war after deer hunter, which had been the previous year, but it does to show you their flawed judgment, but in terms of cinematography,
or writing, or sound and visual choreography, it can't be beat, but coppola did let it run on for a bit,

mockturtle said...

Alcibiades @ 9:15: There were two heroines in GWTW, Scarlett and Melanie. The novel was quite clear about that. Very different but still heroic. But Scarlett was the survivor. Even Belle Watling, the 'madam', was shown to have admirable traits. It was a great book for women. I read it five times in my early teens.

narciso said...

coppola sort of revisited his character, 25 years later in 'enemy of the state' from the other end of the microphone or camera as it were,

mockturtle said...

And how could I leave out Mammy! The rock. Great characters all through.

Michael McNeil said...

Even the Times on the eve of “tax day,” April 14, 2019, had to admit that most people in America got a tax cut, rather than a tax hike, as a result of Trump (and Congress)'s tax reform bill.

As the foregoing Times piece notes: [quoting…]

If you’re an American taxpayer, you probably got a tax cut last year. And there’s a good chance you don’t believe it.

Ever since President Trump signed the Republican-sponsored tax bill in December 2017, independent analyses have consistently found that a large majority of Americans would owe less because of the law. Preliminary data based on tax filings has shown the same.

[/unQuote]

As that piece lays out, overall 64.8% (nearly 2/3!) of the public is paying lower taxes than under the previous law. Even for households with incomes below $30,000 per year (most of whom paid no income taxes to begin with), overall 32.1% (nearly 1/3) of such families received a tax cut. For the $30,000-50,000 household-income range (where people indubitably do pay taxes), 68.1% (more than 2/3) of the people in that category paid lower taxes.

Rory said...

"Galaxy Quest is the greatest film ever made. Change my mind."

Does it have talking dogs? Snow Dogs does.

Jim Gust said...

"Paul Ryan's tax cut for billionaires,"

Collected tax revenue has only gone up since the badly labeled "tax cut." It was tax reform, not a net tax cut, and it shifted liability from corporations to wealthy people (capped SALT deduction). An enormous revenue loser according to CBO was the doubling of the standard deduction, which did not help billionaires but did relieve even more lower income people from paying any income tax at all.

Facts are stubborn things.

You might think that the 21% tax rate for corporations is too low, but the old 35% rate was far out of step in the global economy and was unsustainable. I credit the lower corporate tax rate for the expanding economy, the record low unemployment, and the record stock prices. All things that are good for all Americans.

chuck said...

> He's somewhere on some spectrum.

I think he sees himself as wearing a cape and tights, righting wrongs and championing the American way. Super heroes are definitely on a spectrum. Red, white, and blue?

mockturtle said...

The best American movie ever made is possibly The Godfather. Casablanca is up there, too. Both are memorable classics.

tastid212 said...

For many years, "8-1/2" was my favorite movie. Then I watched it again and wondered what the heck was I thinking...

In college, "King of Hearts" was a favorite. Haven't seen it in decades, but it just might be the best take ever on today's Democrat Party...

Iman said...

“Parasite” was just okay... didn’t live up to the hype. And although I find I have less and less appreciation for Tarantino movies as time passes, I did enjoy “Once Upon a...”, it was a trip down SoCal memory lane.

I have so many old movies that I’ve enjoyed I don’t bother to rank them.

narciso said...

the godfather's overrated, Casablanca was about a particular movement in a particular place, although one might think there's a little rick blaine in han solo,

J. Farmer said...

I didn't watch the Academy Awards; I hadn't even realized they were airing until I opened Google News to check the headlines. But I did watch some of it later on YouTube. The best part about Parasite winning was Bong was gracious and grateful in his acceptance speech. No America-hating haranguing. That was a relief.

tim in vermont said...

Yes, The Godfather I and II. (Godfather III never happened!)

they are better than Galaxy Quest, which was a perfect movie for what it was, but then again, so was French Kiss.

M Jordan said...

I can hardly watch a movie anymore. They are in that sweet spot of just the wrong length. A half-hour TV show is short and sweet. A 10-episode series — like the excellent series “The Crown” —has time to develop characters and mega-themes. But a 2-hour movie? Too short and too long at the same time.

tim in vermont said...

"If you’re an American taxpayer, you probably got a tax cut last year. And there’s a good chance you don’t believe it.”

Did the New York Times follow it with this?

"On account of the fact hat we in the press lied to you about it, and lied in the sense that we knew what we were telling you wasn’t true, a genuine George Castanza test lie."

Drago said...

ARM: "Thanks to the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, top earners are also expected to get...."

Michael K: "Selective quotes by the left. Why not tell the rest of the truth?"

Because ARM has devolved into a selective and misleading "cut and paster" like Inga because Trump has completely and thoroughly broken him and "splodey'ed" all ARM's previous pathetic talking points.

Not even LLR-C**** has been able to salvage what is left of ARM.

#SAD

Inga said...

The Manchurian Candidate, Trump could be living it. However in his case it would have to be called The Siberian Candidate.

narciso said...

well the third godfather was self referential, as it was about the deal bluhdorn did with sindona, Michael Corleone was shoe horned into the story,

tim in vermont said...

"Trump has completely and thoroughly broken him and "splodey'ed" all ARM's previous pathetic talking points.”

My favorite is when he lectures us on what it will take to make our economy “competitive.” If you want a visual for that talking point ARM, to to the Burger King post.

M Jordan said...

Tucker had a Dem guest on last night (I think his name was Peebles) who observed that Trump outrage was a dead currency and Dem candidates who rely on it — which he said was all of them — are losing badly. It’s a great point. Trump has been accepted into the American subconscious as the president, like it or not. The world in fact now sees him as the man. The three-year long rage-fest by Dems culminating in an impotent impeachment has rendered Trump-rage completely valueless.

Trump likes GWTW and you are outraged? Your outrage is a wheelbarrow full of paper money to buy a crust of bread.

narciso said...

that's ironic, because candidate is supposed to be a riff on McCarthyism, Iselin is a poorly drawn McCarthy manqué, which was about real communist infiltration in the government, but touche,

tim in vermont said...

"However in his case it would have to be called The Siberian Candidate.”

Said Inga *without evidence*.

Manchuria though sounds a lot more like Clinton, Biden, and Bloomberg.

Basil Duke said...

Inga, do you think Uncle Donnie will have more flexibility after he's re-elected?

doctrev said...

I find myself grateful to John Cohen, mostly for giving me the idea that Trump most loves Citizen Kane. After considering it, I'm 100% certain that Trump doesn't identify with anyone in movies. It's like Julius Caesar deciding which Avenger he is. I'm sure Candidate Trump watched Charles Foster Kane and ridiculed him most of the way. "Aw jeez, you're letting your wife leave you? You should be leaving her! Stop trying to make that broad an opera singer and just boink her some more, whassa matta with you? You're going to be pushed around by Gettys? You deserve to lose this thing!" If pressed for a specific piece of advice that could have turned Kane's life around, Trump would claim that winning the election and keeping his various women happy would be a piece of cake. He'd be right, but only for himself: anyone else would long since face at least the level of humiliation Charles Kane endured.

In the end, watching how Citizen Kane ended up squandering the enormous advantages he possessed, while Trump used relatively tighter resources to much better effect, is instructive in the difference between cardboard men that playwrights hate, and actual alpha males who manage to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. Errol Morris' intensely negative, aggressively Jewish criticism of Trump for missing the point of Citizen Kane itself is actually quite illustrative of both Trump and the criticism personified by Morris. He wants Trump to show more guilt and self-loathing- the absent factors which cause Morris to denounce both Trump and Kane. But it is actually the lack of these hobbling neuroses which permitted men like Hearst and Trump to thrive against actual adversity. And why the Errol Morrises of the world are in nervous collapse, watching the globalist project crack apart under the weight of its own internal contradictions.

I'm enjoying it immensely. I might research the idea further, just to have a better understanding of the dynamic between Trump and his critics.

JMW Turner said...

"All About Eve"; a fabulous Bette Davis scene chewing flick if ever was. The casting of every actor was letter perfect, even Marilyn Monroe in her cliche-ridden role. Last gasp classic Hollywood!

tim in vermont said...

Inga missed the part where Yovanovich testified that she hear Putin say that American fracking was a threat to Russian interests. Sounds like Hillary was a Russian asset and that the Democrat candidates also qualify.

And what was Hillary’s compaign manager doing with millions of dollars in stock awarded to him by Gazprom, all of which became worthless two days after his boss lost the election?

Why should she be interested in that?

doctrev said...

Inga, my stunned little she-wolf, if Putin was ready to take credit for the last four years of American expansion he'd probably be God-Emperor of the world by now. Obama is trying, of course: but it just makes him look like an absurd little monkey, trying to claim ownership of a car by hugging the bumper.

tim in vermont said...

It’s more important to punish the rich with taxes than to benefit the workers at the bottom. So don’t worry, ARM has a solution!

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2020/02/13/immigration-to-america-is-down-wages-are-up

My goodness. Maybe Obama could explain how his policies of flooding the US with cheap illegal labor that had no protection of the law was the blueprint for this gangbusters economy.

BTW, ARM, “gangbusters” is higher on the scale than “competitive."

tim in vermont said...

Maybe ARM thinks that what makes American competitive is cheap labor? Like Bloomberg.

narciso said...

context is probably everything,

https://slate.com/culture/2016/10/watch-this-illuminating-interview-between-errol-morris-and-donald-trump-about-citizen-kane.html

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Laslo Spatula said...

His wife deserves a lot of the credit for that, and for 'Star Wars'.

Don't forget Gary Katz, he had a big hand in keeping Lucas' worst impulses in check stating with 'American Graffiti' and going through 'Empire Strikes Back'. Lucas fired him during 'Return of Jedi', which is why about a third of that movie is watchable, while the rest is just stupid.

mockturtle said...

"All About Eve"; a fabulous Bette Davis scene chewing flick if ever was. The casting of every actor was letter perfect, even Marilyn Monroe in her cliche-ridden role. Last gasp classic Hollywood!

Excellent script, something missing in todays films.

tim in vermont said...

I never understood Citizen Kane, maybe I should watch it again. I always figured it was about burning the money that your daddy earned flogging your political hobby horses in your newspaper. Which, to be fair, has sort of defined the past few decades.

Yancey Ward said...

I judge what my favorite movies are by how many times I have watched them beginning to end. There are few movies I will watch more than once, and even fewer that I have watched three times, and so forth.

"The Godfather", "Chinatown", "Dr. Strangelove", "Raiders of the Lost Ark", "Blood Simple", "The Big Sleep", "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly", "L.A. Confidential" are movies that I have seen more than 5 times each. I am not sure there are any movies made in the last 20 years that will reach that mark with me going forward.

Fandor said...

Western stories are said to be the American moriality play.
SHANE is one of my favorites.
A gunman, in his waning days, rides into a valley of deep seeded resentments between cattlemen and farmers.
Both sides have their point of view of how to use the land; unfortunately the cowboys have no use for sodbusters or their wire. But, time is moving on, and settlers determined to set down roots are replacing the longhorn herds.
Civilization has its way of upending things.
Where the nomad was once welcomed, and the gunfighter needed to tame the frontier, immigrants with new sensibilities find different value in the land.
It’s a sad story really.
The cowboys have lived a rough and tumble life providing a commodity for people everywhere.
The farmers want to do their part too, sowing the earth and building families, but are not welcome.
And a lone man, who chose to live in a violent world, is a sojourner looking for a respite.
It is a volatile mix in God’s Country.
The violent climax that comes is one we cheer, and afterwards regret, as Shane does.

narciso said...

yes the sultzbergers, bezos, most recently, harry evans for the times,

Yancey Ward said...

Movies made in the last 20 years that I might eventually watch 5 times beginning to end:

"Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy", "Inception"- I am up to three on both of those.

Nonapod said...

I agree with Temujin that Trump's mind doesn't exactly seem neurotypical. And I also think that his odd mind with its resultant unorthodox behavior oftentimes allows him to be both uniquely effective and sometimes self sabotaging. It's almost paradoxical. On the one hand, because he approaches problems and obstacles in (what could be thought of as) non traditional ways, he often is able to find solutions that a "normal" president may not even think of or would ever dream of attempting.

Trump has a way of engaging with critics and advisaries, encouraging them to behave badly, exposing sides of them that they may normally try to keep hidden. He uses rhetorical techniques that are often associated with internet trolls, like refuge in audacity.

But he also often commits errors, like attacking people who may actually be on his side. IMO, he approaches conversations with world leaders too cavalierly and too casually and too openly. He is too lose with language and too obsessive over past insults and past victories.

Perhaps his greatest advantage might be the blantant corruption and general ineptitude of his many advisaries. They driven so crazy by his antics that they practically fall over themselves try to take shots at him and expose their metaphorical underbellies in the process.

The funny thing is, Trump is probably actually very beatable, just not by people who have been derranged by him. And he is not immune to events. Perhaps the one thing that may actually beat Trump oddly is Covid-19. If it gets much worse, it could have a very series effect on the economy.

purplepenquin said...

One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest

That was the one which first taught me that the film version can be VERY different than the book version, and yet both can still be really good.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

You can't give tax cuts to already obscenely wealthy and then claim that you are acting in the interests of working people. Obvious nonsense.

purplepenquin said...

You can't give tax cuts to already obscenely wealthy and then claim that you are acting in the interests of working people.

Some folks still beleive in the the idea of a tinkle-down economy. The theory is that if you give the ultra-wealthy even more $$$ then some of it will get pissed on down to the working class and poor.

Fandor said...

Two other Westerns as morality plays come to mind.
HIGH NOON, a very well made, beautifully edited film with a memorable song.
We all know the story.
On what should be a man’s happiest day, he hears his sworn enemy and gang are arriving on the noon train for a showdown.
The friends in the town he saved from these criminals desert him.
His bride, a pacifist, rejects her husband's sensibility to stand up, once more, against lawless violence.
No one, not even his old mentor, an arthritic crippled lawman, will stand with him in this desperate hour.
Only a young, inexperienced boy volunteers to help, but Will Kane knows this is a man’s job and his alone.
Full of his own doubts and disappointing revelations about everything in his world, Kane remains true to himself.
He goes out to meet destiny head on, relying on his wisdom and declining skills as a gunman.

THE SEARCHERS is the story of a bigoted and racist Civil War veteran named Ethan Edwards.
He is more than capable to live and survive in a hostile environment running amok with wild savages.
Edwards journey, with an adopted half-breed nephew, to rescue his kidnapped niece from marauding Comanche’s, leads to the almost redemption of his restless soul.

narciso said...

isn't san Francisco and new York, where the marginal taxes are highest, yet the population is highly stressed, to put it charitably,

mockturtle said...

Nonapod observes re Trump: And I also think that his odd mind with its resultant unorthodox behavior oftentimes allows him to be both uniquely effective and sometimes self sabotaging. It's almost paradoxical.

Well, he's a Gemini. What would you expect? ;-)

mockturtle said...

Watched The Good, the Bad and the Ugly again night before last. Great film in every way and it's astounding that it won no awards. None. Zip.

Earnest Prole said...

And he's actually a highly functional person on that spectrum.

Trump is a savant.

Michael K said...

It is so amusing to see brain dead Democrats that won't give up the Russia Hoax.

ARM and PP seem to be doing a sister act on the economy.

Now, Nevada announces they won't have caucus results Saturday night. How many Obamacare rollouts does this make ?

narciso said...

I liked the aviator, which is about a high strung industrialist, who challenges the establishment represented by juan trippe and his minion in the senate,

narciso said...

there's more mirrors there, then scaramangas amusement park,

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

Watched The Good, the Bad and the Ugly again night before last. Great film in every way and it's astounding that it won no awards. None. Zip.
hear, hear!, Mock

we like "Babette's Feast" because we like Cailles "en sarcophage"

...and how after the meal, they run out and decapitate a few Huns

Martin said...

What Trump was really saying, I think, is that the out-of-touch Hollywood elite (that hates me [Trump] and disrespects you [the audience] also hates America, they gave the big prize to a FOREIGN film. Subtext is that said elite cannot or does anymore not make films that deserve to win.

This is all raw meat for his base. (Not that I 100% disagree)

Fandor said...

Ann Althouse said,"But I say the most interesting partis that after he cited "Gone with the Wind" — the most conspicuous Old Hollywood movie — he paused and said "Sunset Boulevard." Now, "Sunset Boulevard" is a great old movie. It's one of the few movies that has its own tag on this blog, one of my all-time favorites. But it is a smaller, more artsy, more film buff choice. It must be a movie he actually cares about. Does he identify with the main character, Norma Desmond?

GONE WITH THE WIND and SUNSET BOULEVARD are women’s stories.
Two distinct and strong women living and surviving in their unique environments; one in the Antebellum South and Reconstruction, the other in a decaying, decadent empire of illusion.
Both were “queens” within their worlds at one time.
Scarlett is the epitome of “the comeback kid”, never daunted, her motto being, “Tomorrow is another day”.
Nora, probably a nobody who became a somebody, because of 24/7 studio publicity, in the ultimate land of make believe, becomes unhinged when she hasn’t got “IT” anymore.
Finally, totally immersed in her fantasy world, all Nora can say is, “I’m ready for my close-up”.
Both movies had big themes with those we consider the most vulnerable in our society, women. Two strong-willed gals, succeeding or failing in dealing with the cares of this world.
Three cheers for the women, but these are two I would never have touched with a ten-foot pole romantically.
I might join them for a barbecue or a game of bridge that would be a hoot.
Further, I might be interested in finding out what made these chicks tick.
Bring on the mint juleps and the "dirty" martinis.

M said...

I see “new” Republicans who were brought into the tent by Trump, many who were Obama voters, posting things about how he gave up his billionaire lifestyle to save us. Lol.

Trump excelled in his life in his eyes. In the ways he felt were achievements. He is now winding down his long, very successful (to him) life and what better way to cap it off than being the president of the most powerful nation to ever exist on Earth? While his policies are mostly successful (and why not? He saw them succeed decades ago before our politicians were bought out by the Globalists) and I am sure he does want America to prosper he is not martyring himself for us peasants, he is enjoying his swan song for all its worth.

Equating Trump with a failed and faded actress is willful blindness. Trump is a supernova. And he did it his way.

PM said...

1. Billy Wilder's hard to beat.
2. Liked Tarantino's 'Hollywood'. Maybe because I was in LA when Manson struck and it was a pleasant fiction to see his murderous deed undone.

Francisco D said...

You can't give tax cuts to already obscenely wealthy and then claim that you are acting in the interests of working people. Obvious nonsense.

It seems as if ARM has strayed into brain-dead Inga territory. That seems to be a requirement in order to ne a leftist today.

Back on topic, I like a lot of the movies people have cited here. What is interesting is that many are at least 30 years old.

Let me add Manon of the Spring and Local Hero to the list.

tcrosse said...

Maybe in another ten years or so Sunset Blvd could be adapted to tell the story of Hillary Clinton.

Bruce Hayden said...

“These things get harder to calculate over time, because behaviors change in response to incentives--people move from high tax states to low tax states, for example. But the first year of a new tax system lets you compare old and new. Most rich people saw their federal income taxes go up in 2019.”

The funny thing is that the Democrats so desperately want to repeal it. Why? Because the Trump/Ryan tax cuts did hit the rich the hardest. This was intentional. The Republicans needed to find tax revenue to replace what they gave up with leaving more money in the pockets of the middle class. And, the big hit on the rich was the capping of their SALT (State and Local Taxes) deduction which essentially had the rest of us subsidizing their big houses in Deep Blue states. Maybe 1-2% of the population, because of their wealth, are somewhat successful at convincing the rest of the country that taxes have gone up for them, when the reality is that about the only people wanting taxes to go back to Obama levels are those 1% in mostly Deep Blue states, with huge structural debt, who really, really, want their uncapped SALT deductions back, so that they can fully deduct the surtaxes required in these states and cities. Let me reiterate that. The purpose of trying to repeal the Republicans’s tax breaks is to remove the SALT deduction cap that subsidized the really wealthy in this country to live in places like NYC, CA, Chicago, etc. They don’t care if that means that taxes on the other, less fortunate 99%, would go up. They are special, and expect to be treated accordingly.

mockturtle said...

OT, but still about 'art': The Netherlands are debating whether it will be wise to display a Degas drawing that portrays a woman's bare buttocks. Because, you know...Muslims.

rcocean said...

"Other great ones: Maltese Falcon, Bringing Up Baby, Swing Time."

Yeah, I love all three of those. Too bad Trump didn't mention a couple westerns like Shane, My Darling Clementine, Magnificent Seven, 310 to Yuma, Winchester 73, The Wild Bunch.

Good bad and ugly is pretty good too, but its Italian. SO, it wouldn't fit ito his theme.

rcocean said...

Trump is probably a Jaws fan, since he loves "Shark Week".

RigelDog said...

It's clearly a reference to Hillary Clinton, and not a terribly subtle one. The difference being, of course, that Hillary has never had a husband who cared about her well being, and was never attractive.}}}

Agree that Hillary hasn't known the deep true love of a good husband. Disagree that she was never attractive. She was very pretty and still is, for her age. Now, maybe the whole package so to speak turned people off so that she wasn't considered "attractive" by many. But I dislike people disparaging her as having always been objectively ugly. Sexism aside, she just isn't ugly. Big blue eyes, high cheekbones, good hair and skin.

M said...

I haven’t seen the Korean film but from what my son and others have told me the moral of the story is that poor people are not necessarily the salt of the earth as we think in the USA.

In fact poor people are often garbage human beings who create their own problems no matter what circumstances and resources they are handed. They then turn on the people that try to help them. In my experience this viewpoint is not always wrong....

rcocean said...

Citizen Kane is the story of a failure. Trump is a rousing success with numerous women who love him. His kids seem to love him too.

I don't see any relationship between "Citizen Kane" William Randolph Hearst and Trump, except Lefties always label every rich Center-right Politician as "citizen Kane". Actually i see a parallel with Hearst (not Citizen kane). Hearst was hated by the Globalists and the Commies in the 1930s and 1940s because he was against foreign wars and stood for "100 percent Americanism". Trump seems to be the same.

mockturtle said...

Black Orpheus, 1959, was a favorite when I was very young but it didn't really age well. Great plot [the tale of Orpheus and Eurydice against the backdrop of Carnival in Rio] and could make an interesting remake if done properly. Of course, viewers would benefit from familiarity with the Greek story to appreciate the film, just as familiarity with The Odyssey is needed to appreciate the Coen brothers' O Brother, Where Art Thou?.

mockturtle said...

M at 11:17: I wholeheartedly agree. Parasite made us feel sorry for the rich but naive victims of the fraud. Wealthy people are not worse than poor people. The notion of 'obscene' wealth makes no sense if it was acquired legally. And yes, many poor people are those who have made bad choices but want to blame others for their plight.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

With the tax cuts the Republicans became the party of oligarchs. First the Bush oligarchy and now, as farce, the Trump oligarchy. The Republican party slogan is: Oligarchs-R-Us.

dustbunny said...

tcrosse, Joseph P. Kennedy produced Queen Kelly for his girlfriend Gloria Swanson, another interesting reference.

Amadeus 48 said...

ARM--You are an idiot if you think that tax rates and tax receipts are the same thing.

A lower marginal rate tax rate, if it stimulates increased economic activity, can yield higher receipts than a higher rate that stifles economic activity. Tax payers have incentives to earn the next dollar and the one after that because they get to keep more of the additional dollars.

Now, let's look at the real world: income tax receipts are higher during a robust expansion than during a slow expansion. We just saw this during the Obama years, with the slowest recovery on record. Trump came in, started whacking away at the regulatory choke-hold that Team Obama had put on the American economy and passed a tax bill that reduced corporate tax rates to competitive global rates, put in modest reductions to marginal tax rates and doubled the personal exemption, while eliminating a lot of deductions (your team used to call them "loopholes"). The CBO famously and notoriously refuses to do dynamic scoring of tax changes. Their estimates are not worthless, but they assume that no one changes his or her behavior after the tax law changes.

But we know you will pule and puke out your talking points regardless of the facts. Go read Orwell's 1984 again and contemplate the character Tom Parsons. That is you.

Amadeus 48 said...

ARM--I just read your 11:34 comment. At this point, you are just flinging poo.

Sorry for your loss, sucker.

Big Mike said...

“Cowboys vs. Aliens”! Daniel Craig, Harrison Ford, and Olivia Wilde. Six guns and Winchesters vs. death rays! What’s not to like?

Yes, I am having fun with you 😁

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Amadeus 48 said...
it stimulates increased economic activity


2% GDP growth and trillion dollar deficits. The middle class and poor will end up paying for the oligarch's deficit with increased taxes and reduced social security and Medicare. That is reality.

Oligarchs-R-Us.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Brought to you but the Oligarchs-R-Us gang.

"During the U.S. economy’s greatest generation — the era of rapid, broadly shared growth that followed World War II — Wall Street was a fairly peripheral part of the picture. When people thought about business leaders, they thought about people running companies that actually made things, not people who got rich through wheeling and dealing.

But that all changed in the 1980s, largely thanks to financial deregulation. Suddenly the big bucks came from buying and selling companies as opposed to running them.

In many cases, these financial deals saddled companies with crippling levels of debt, often ending in bankruptcy and job destruction — a process that continues to this day. There was also an epidemic of financial fraud and racketeering, exemplified by the career of Michael Milken, the junk-bond king Donald Trump just pardoned.

And the financial sector itself doubled as a share of the economy, which meant that it was pulling lots of capital and many smart people away from productive activities.

For there is no evidence that Wall Street’s mega-expansion made the rest of the economy more efficient. On the contrary, growth in family incomes slowed down as finance rose — although a few people became immensely rich. And the runaway growth of finance set the stage for the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression."

Ralph L said...

For some years The Fifth Element was all over TV, and I would usually surf back to it as the most watchable thing on.

Amadeus 48 said...

ARM--Sorry, Tom Parsons. I couldn't hear you.

If you want to talk about big deficits, I am with you. We have to chop those government freeloaders. They don't produce anything. Come back with a plan for four consecutive annual 10% across the board RIFs of government employees at all levels--federal, state and local-- (no cheating with consultants and contractors) and that will be a good start. We only need 60% of the government work force. They don't do anything productive anyway.

ARM, we don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.

FullMoon said...

The Historian said... [hush]​[hide comment]

Trump on Turner Classic Movies in 2007:

https://www.facebook.com/tcmbacklot/videos/832670003558218/



Interesting in that Trump seems very calm, cool and collected. Favorite thing is that the interview was in 2007 ,when all the celebrities loved The Donald but comments are from 2017 with much of the same sort of childish hate and stupidity repeated daily from the whiners on the left. No doubt the same people commented in 2017 are repeating the same old thing, along with the latest propaganda fed to them by the media.
What is it today? Oh, yeah, Trump very upset that Russia wants him to be reelected . Sure, that happened say anonymous sources....

Gk1 said...

I watched an old Dick Cavett show from 1972 and he had a panel of film directors of Peter Bagdanovich, Robert Altman, Mel Brooks and Frank Capra. Quite a disparate group from a time where movies where a pillar of american culture. Those days are long since past. Movies have less relevance and have been crowded out by other interests. Has anyone noticed the millennial generation would be just as happy watching a pirated movie on their tiny cell phones and skipping to the good parts while texting friends? The fact Trump had to grasp for an american epic like Gone With the Wind so everyone would get his reference is telling in itself.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Trump's economy:

2% GDP growth and trillion dollar deficits.

All the blather in the world isn't going to change this reality.

Bruce Hayden said...

“Agree that Hillary hasn't known the deep true love of a good husband. Disagree that she was never attractive. She was very pretty and still is, for her age. Now, maybe the whole package so to speak turned people off so that she wasn't considered "attractive" by many. But I dislike people disparaging her as having always been objectively ugly. Sexism aside, she just isn't ugly. Big blue eyes, high cheekbones, good hair and skin.”

I wouldn’t call her pretty. Cute back then, but I don’t thing pretty. Each to his own. But what seems to have happened is that she developed those elephant legs as a result of her pregnancy, and very likely knew after that, that she wasn’t that attractive to most guys, and probably most esp with her husband. I have little doubt that he screwed around on her before that, but probably kept it mostly under control until then.

rcocean said...

Thanks "Historian"

That was truly fascinating. Who knew Trump was on Turner Classic Movies in 2007! OR knew all about Citizen Kane. Of course, the reason Welles never made anything as good as Citizen Kane again, is he didn't have two great screen writers helping him out with the script. He tried to write his own stuff. He wanted to be a "one man band" and he wasn't on Citizen Kane.

William said...

Here's another metric for judging greatest movie. How often, when you switch over to TCM during a commercial, do you continue watching the movie. I find Fred Astaire/Ginger Rogers movies the most magnetic. It's impossible to turn away from any of their dance numbers. The plots and jokes are instantly forgettable, but that just means you can sit through them again after the lapse of a few months.....It's uncanny the way Fred Astaire was able to personify with his light moves all the grace and spirit of those tunes. Many of the composers felt that his thin voice also conveyed the most understanding of their lyrics.

rcocean said...

The young Hillary wore coke bottle glasses and had mousy brown hair. One reason why her "I volunteered for the Marines and got turned down because I was a girl" is faker then fake. She couldn't see the broad side of a barn without her glasses.

Anyway, once she got contacts and blond hair, she got more attractive.

rcocean said...

"Boys don't make passes at girls who wear glasses." Was wrong in the case of Bill and Hillary.

rcocean said...

Rodgers and Astaire - still the greatest dance couple.

Carter Wood said...

What Trump is telling us is that he's a Carol Burnett fan. Her two best movie parodies were those of "Gone With the Wind," and "Sunset Boulevard."

The Nora Desmond eulogy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS2QteCLdAI
Went with the Wind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aRMZ4ePmMM

FullMoon said...

DOOM AND GLOOM Says:
"Trump's economy:

2% GDP growth and trillion dollar deficits.

All the blather in the world isn't going to change this reality."


The sun ain't gonna shine anymore
The moon ain't gonna rise in the sky
The tears are always clouding your eyes
When you're without love, baby


HaHa!

FullMoon said...

I wouldn’t call her pretty. Cute back then, but I don’t thing pretty. Each to his own. But what seems to have happened is that she developed those elephant legs as a result of her pregnancy, and very likely knew after that, that she wasn’t that attractive to most guys, and probably most esp with her husband. I have little doubt that he screwed around on her before that, but probably kept it mostly under control until then.

I imagine the world would be a different place now, if Hillary had only given Bill a daily blow job, or two..

mikeski said...

M said...
They then turn on the people that try to help them. In my experience this viewpoint is not always wrong....


Is "M" short for "Mark"?

"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and man." --M. Twain

mockturtle said...

Hillary was the force behind Bill Clinton's political career. It was her ambition that made it happen. See Lady Macbeth. Bill recognized her ruthlessness and his own weakness and climbed on for the ride. So to speak.

Michael K said...

rcocean said...
Rodgers and Astaire - still the greatest dance couple.


Have you seen him with Eleanor Powell?

Fred Astaire had just left RKO, and Broadway Melody of 1940 was his first film for MGM since his small part in 1933's Dancing Lady. Astaire was reportedly slightly intimidated by Powell, as she was considered one of the few female dancers capable of out-performing Astaire. According to Powell in her introduction to the book, The MGM Story, the feeling was somewhat mutual. Powell recalled finally saying to Astaire, "Look, we can't go on like this. I'm Ellie; you're Fred. We're just two hoofers," after which, they got along well, and rehearsed so much they wore out their pianist.

tim in vermont said...

Here’s one for ARM:

What @NickKristof won't tell you: "Deaths of Despair" FELL in 2018 -- under Trump -- for what looks like the first time since 2000. Driven by a drop in drug-related deaths, which seems to have continued into 2019. (Still at a high level, but have to start somewhere--see chart.) - Mickey Kaus

Another moldy talking point that should have been discarded a long time ago.

tim in vermont said...

ARM wants to ramp up GDP growth by importing millions of cheap workers to free up the economic growth numbers, since, without more workers, growth is naturally limited, which is fine, because, and listen carefully, *everybody who wants a job has a job!*

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