March 19, 2019

"Engaged protesters were not able to block the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act or Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation to the Supreme Court, but they did render both toxically unpopular."

"The resistance spurred an unprecedented level of interest in special elections, swinging seats across the country, and powered Democrats to sweeping wins in the 2018 midterms. And then it stopped... The resistance has demobilized.... A swirl of controversy about anti-Semitism and ties to Louis Farrakhan cast a shadow on key leaders of the official Women’s March organization in the months leading up to the third annual march.... [T]he controversies depressed turnout. Nancy Pelosi took over as speaker in early 2019, which left liberals less alarmed. But it also left resistance to Trump with a clear leader and focal point, and House Democrats do not appear to be particularly interested in grassroots resistance work.... One veteran operative who’s deeply involved in party-aligned work on corruption issues tells me he thinks congressional leaders have deliberately demobilized the resistance because they’re so afraid of the impeachment issue.... A vigorously contested presidential nomination is a healthy part of the political process. But throwing small-dollar contributions into a zero-sum struggle for the crown nine months in advance of the first primary balloting is an inherently low-value use of people’s money, to say nothing of their time and emotional energy....While candidates run against one another — and will likely continue running for a year or more — it falls to congressional leaders to provide a unifying intellectual and emotional orientation. Opposition to Trump is, easily, the most natural candidate for the job. But to tap into it, House Democrats need to remind the resistance that there are ways to fight Trump in the here and now, not just in 2020."

That's some interestingly ineffectual handwringing by Matt Yglesias, in "The demobilization of the resistance is a dangerous mistake/Remember when protest was the new brunch?" (Vox).

Isn't the resistance dangerous to the Democratic Party in the lead-up to the 2020 election? It's hard to imagine "a unifying intellectual and emotional orientation" coming from House Democrats and controlling the "resistance." I would assume the Democrats want the resistance demobilized.

94 comments:

Paddy O said...

"One veteran operative who’s deeply involved in party-aligned work on corruption issues tells me he thinks congressional leaders have deliberately demobilized the resistance because they’re so afraid of the impeachment issue...."

More likely because they're so afraid of work on corruption issues. Push a bit and there's pushback, and even the freshest faces of Congress are now seen as deeply corrupt in their practices.

Of course, if progressives actually cared about corruption, they'd start by cleaning house in their own party, and would get significant support for their policies. People don't believe in causes when it's clearly just about gaining power.

Susan said...

Ditching the electoral college will fix it.
That and moar protests.

The Bergall said...

Everyone is tired of the divisiveness. It's not healthy and the Left has promoted it.

SteveR said...

My Congresswoman won as a Democrat in a typically red - but borderline - district. That’s how they got control. AOC et al will be how you hey give it back.

tcrosse said...

So what will it be, 1968 or 1972?

Henry said...

Opposition to Trump is, easily, the most natural candidate for the job.

Sigh. Opposition is easy.

It isn't a program for doing anything.

Stop talking about what you oppose.

What do you want to accomplish?

Temujin said...

He's worried that the resistance is waning because people are spending their time and energy following 15 different candidates and that might make the Dems weaker?

I guess he sees anti-semitism as a positive.
And handing 16 years olds the right to vote.
And opening the borders to anyone, while handing them a voters card as they enter.
Expanding the number of Supreme Court Justices until they get to that sweet spot when there can never be a way to disagree with a progressive (that's not totalitarian).
Or eliminating the Electoral College. (Hell- the entire Constitution is just inconvenient.)
Making college for all- free- and a right.
Making healthcare for all free- and a right.
Eliminating ICE.
Eliminating the right to own guns.
Taxing successful people at a 70%-90% rate.
Eliminating any tax cuts previously instituted.
Eliminating charter schools or right to choose your school.
Expanding the right to kill babies up to and after being born.

I'd say this is quite a platform and you should be very proud to be a Democrat in 2019.

madAsHell said...

were not able to block the Tax Cuts

Where do they find these people??

Krumhorn said...

But it did have its real point of success. It prevented the outright repeal of the ACA. It also, at least temporarily, altered the trajectory of the Kavanaugh hearings, leaving him a toxic figure.

I’m not sure how that’s a good thing for the looselugnut libruls. Putting myself in Kavanaugh’s robes, I’d be looking for revenge at every opportunity. Instead of a carefully crafted dispassionate and measured judicial philosophy, I’d expect I would cultivate a carefully crafted appearance of blind justice as I rip out some leftie’s eyeballs with a rusty letter opener to deliver blindness dressed up as justice.

The Resistence is the key reason why everyone feels as if we are disintegrating into chaos. The lefties as such nasty little shits.

- Krumhorn

Henry said...

I clicked through to read the article. Rarely have I seen an article so begging for a fisking. Every single sentence is either nonsense or misjudgment.

It all swirls around a single unifying point of nonsense -- that opposition is something the party leadership controls.

Crimso said...

It's pretty much the Left's version of the Tea Party story. Same shit, different party.

n.n said...

"Tax Cuts and Jobs Act" is popular if total tax liability decreases (and capital is retained sooner than returned later), jobs are available and accessible, social services have not been materially degraded, and parsing a political myth that reduced refunds are uncorrelated with the first. As for Kavanaugh, there is a consensus that he is a warlock, and that he may have been a beautiful baby, both of which have polled with variable favorability, but a dearth and absence of evidence to support any of the numerous other allegations.

daskol said...

The difference between a useful idiot and a just plain idiot is a distinction lost on Mathew Yglesias. He’s too long in the tooth to be naive, like Ben Rhodes’ boys and girls. Whoever coined the “juice box mafia” really nailed it with this guy.

Bay Area Guy said...

The Leftwing outrage mobs are puckered out. Maybe, they should don the Pussy Hats again to try to stir up some excitement.

Of course, most sane, productive people in this world have jobs, spouses, kids, work, little league, mortgage payments, lawns to mow, college tuition payments, family dinners -- so there isn't a lot of room in the day for joining outrage mobs.

Matty Y hearts outrage mobs. The Left loves that shit. Spreading their own toxic unpopularity around society. Why can't we re-engage says Matty Y from the keyboard in this nice DC condo.

These are really warped and broken people. They need church or a good walk in the meadow -- not more politics.

Amadeus 48 said...

Matty lost cred with me back when he was touting the VHA as the answer to universal health care in the US. See “The Best Care Anywhere" in the Washington Monthly. He is both under-informed and stupid. You are welcome to parse his blather, Althouse, but just because he wrote it doesn't mean that it makes any sense.

Chuck said...

I'll just state the obvious; that the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation battle (like, but much more so than the Neil Gorsuch confirmation hearing) is one of the very few things to unite anti-Trump Republicans* with pro-Trump Republicans.

The idea that Brett Kavanaugh has been rendered "toxically unpopular" is about as sensible to me as a suggestion that Justice Thomas, now in his 27th year on the Court, has been affected by "toxic unpopularity."

As many places as there are where Kavanaugh is a villain, there are a great many others where he is a hero.

*And former Republicans, so repulsed by Trump that they no longer identify with the current party.

Ask former Senator Heidi Heitkamp how "resistance" to Justice Kavanaugh worked out for her.

rehajm said...

How serious is protest that’s equated to brunch?

Amadeus 48 said...

"They need church or a good walk in the meadow -- not more politics."

Bingo! We have a winner.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Isn't the resistance dangerous to the Democratic Party in the lead-up to the 2020 election?”

No. Why would it be? The base wants pretty much the same thing when it comes to Trump. While Democrats aren’t monolithic on all issues, we agree on the fact that Trump is dangerous to the welfare of the US.

“It's hard to imagine "a unifying intellectual and emotional orientation" coming from House Democrats and controlling the "resistance." I would assume the Democrats want the resistance demobilized.”

I don’t think the House really wants or needs to control, the “resistance”. People have “resisted” for good reason, and those reasons haven’t gone away these past 2 years, on the contrary the reasons are even more egregious than we originally thought. If the Democratic leadership would get squishy on Trump, the base would revolt. Pelosi putting impeachment off the table at this time is one way of keeping Trump from using itnto rile up his base. When the Mueller report is published and depending on what it reveals, impeachment may be right back on the table. The active organized resistance may have “demobilized”, but that’s only because we now have the House. I suspect it could mobilize in a heartbeat.

Of course this is only my take on it based on talking to fellow Democrats and liberals.

tcrosse said...

These people sacrificed their Progressive Agenda on the altar of Hillary Clinton's sense of personal entitlement. That's just the toughest of shit.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Matty Y is a rich leftwing power broker. He wants to help the D-party control YOU. Control YOU with all the left's punitive taxes and government controls over every move you make.

Matty Y is gross.

Marty said...

Henry said, Rarely have I seen an article so begging for a fisking. Every single sentence is either nonsense or misjudgment.

It all swirls around a single unifying point of nonsense -- that opposition is something the party leadership controls.



Few commentators seem capable of assessing how any given event fits into the long-term trend, much less appreciating what is likely to unfold given the nexus of two.

But it seems to me that we are in a period of general breakdown of the previous order, which we Boomers were born into. Neither the political establishment nor the average voter has much of a clue about what to offer in its place, and so we swing back and forth between the parties every two years. The volatility is the result of the sterility of elite policy and the impatience and the tiny attention span of the voters.

Be said...

Dispatch from Cambridge, MA: "Dissent" is mostly just an excuse to act out publicly, wearing poorly-crafted hats. Trust me, if you can afford to live here, you are not going to compromise yourself by working at overturning the bourgeoisie or anything.

todd galle said...

I'll tell you what, the Left's sudden infatuation with dismantling the Constitution is getting a bit alarming. Pack the Supreme Court, eradicate the Electoral College, upend Citizens United, the continual 2A limitations and restrictions. What lunacy won't they project on folks who aren't like them, or think like them? If my recent ordering is up to date, the Operation Chokepoint is still down. Get them while you can Citizens.

JaimeRoberto said...

I'm sure that Kavanaugh's alleged toxic unpopularity will hurt him in his next election. Oh wait, it's a lifetime appointment. Never mind.

Tank said...

Can I “like” Chuck’s comment?

Sarthurk said...

Just now figuring out what socialism would do to the country . . . . while they've been plotting this for Decades.

Brilliant!

Greg Hlatky said...

How did Matt get into Harvard? Just asking.

iowan2 said...

As I read I was thinking that the message was a mish mash of wish casting, self delusion, and self importance. I refuse to believe the polls about the tax cuts. Kavanaugh, I doubt if more that 10% of the voters will be able to identify him by end the end of the year. Who cares about the popularity of a member of SCOTUS?
I'm glad the leftist are so intent hating on President Trump. While the base is happy, they will vote D no matter what. The more sane D's will want to see why President Trump should not continue to do what he is doing. Record economic performance. Lowest unemployment for Blacks, Hispanics and women. Trade deal revamped, and massive progress towards reducing the Chinese trade deficit, Peace across the globe, and more troops coming home everyday from shit hole countries.
Yes crank up more resistance, ignore governing.

daskol said...

I’m going to assume that Yglesias is touting the resistance to draw a distinction between himself and guys like Ezra Klein who’ve gone full establishment, and whom Yglesias makes look perspicacious by comparison. Otherwise this column makes no sense.

cubanbob said...

"The resistance spurred an unprecedented level of interest in special elections, swinging seats across the country, and powered Democrats to sweeping wins in the 2018 midterms."

Why read any further this fool? Was he born yesterday and did not know Obama lost both Houses Of Congress twice? Now that was a sweeping midterm. To the extent the electorate that voted for Trump is angry at Trump is simply because he has still to deliver on various things. Not for lack of effort but for lack of support from the Republicans when they had both Houses. This should be a warning to the Republicans who are running to get on the right side or face a primary challenge. However that very same electorate isn't going to vote for any Democrat for president given the positions the Democrats are taking. And the Democrats are running the real risk of once again losing both Houses.

Elliott A said...

I am waiting for the commercial where you see a large bird ignite in mid air over a solar farm, another large bird chewed up by a wind turbine, a full term baby die of neglect, and a view of whatever hell Venezuela will look like next year. The Democratic platform in 30 seconds.

Sam L. said...

I find Dems toxic.

Virgil Hilts said...

If I were Koch Brothers I would send Matt Y a monthly check (just after I wrote my weekly one to AOC). Why Hillary will win big! He doesn't really seem to have his finger on the pulse of anything other than his own [redacted].

YoungHegelian said...

And former Republicans, so repulsed by Trump that they no longer identify with the current party.

Democrats in the bubble think that there are many more of these folks than there really are. Trump now has popularity numbers among the Republican faithful up there in the Gipper's numbers.

As for the Democratic "Resistance", I imagine many of the Party old guard are astounded at what crawled out from under the rock. Talk of out & out "socialism", left-wing & Islamic antisemitism, & open borders as an actual immigration "policy" have no doubt driven the moderates in the Democratic Party to do everything they can to get the Resistance to shut their pie holes. The old hands can read the polls & they know that there's a reason that the Old White Farts like Biden & Bernie are the top choices among the Democrat on the street.

White liberals like Yglesias can be safely further left than the average Democrat. The average Democrat, especially the minority voters, think that social justice perfection can wait. They're more worried about help with getting by day to day.

Chris Lopes said...

When Saigon fell, one of the first things the Vietnamese victors did was "demobilize" (sometimes at the point of a bayonet) what was left of the Viet Cong infrastructure. They did not want a bunch of armed potential rivals running around loose. I suspect the DNC feels the dame way.

Achilles said...

Henry said...
Opposition to Trump is, easily, the most natural candidate for the job.

Sigh. Opposition is easy.

It isn't a program for doing anything.

Stop talking about what you oppose.

What do you want to accomplish?



Open borders.

Endless wars.

Higher taxes

Political corruption masquerading as corporate regulation.

They cannot talk about what they want to do.

MBunge said...

Reality check: Republicans stomped the Democrats in the 2010 midterms.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/03/us-midterm-election-results-tea-party

Didn't stop Obama from getting re-elected two years later.

I mean, this is not ancient history. We're not talking about some lesson learned by a Roman Senator in 67 BC. IT WAS EIGHT YEARS AGO.

Mike

Big Mike said...

I would assume the Democrats want the resistance demobilized.

I would, too, and pretty much for the reason articulated by Henry in his comment at 6:16. Why do people pay attention to Yglesias? Has he ever been right about anything ever?

Narayanan said...

Resistance get Tea-Party'ed without IRS harassment.

rehajm said...

Speaking of Kavanaugh and protests- anyone seen Blasey Ford recently? Any recent photos? Not a status report about what’s she’s supposedly up to but an actual sighting? I mean perhpas the most important activist for Democrats im three generations, but not so much as a selfie at brunch?

campy said...

Kavanaugh will never see a hagiography of himself up on the silver screen, that's for sure.

bagoh20 said...

Here is a question for Dem candidates: Do you really want to be the wining candidate for the Resistance and then have to face them in office? They won't just elect you and quietly go home.

bagoh20 said...

The Democrat base right now reminds me of a gang that requires you to kill someone to prove you are not an undercover cop.

narciso said...

I communicated with yglesias when he had that blog at the Atlantic (before we knew of the journolist, hes not that smart for a dalton and Harvard grad.

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Chuck said...

I'll state one more obvious thing, about Democrats. I'm not a Democrat and have never known what it is like to vote for Democrats and support them. But if they are determined to put up a candidate like Bernie, or Beto, or Eizabeth Warren, or anyone who gave lip service to any 'Green New Deal' (and I honestly don't know; maybe their whole field did that)...

...then "beating Donald Trump in 2020" is not their first priority.

But primaries seem to not always be about selecting the most electable candidate. Sometimes they are just pure reflections of intraparty power struggles.

wildswan said...

The Dems have to decide whether to challenge Trump on policy by which I mean come up with meaningful alternatives to help Americans or whether the Dems will be controlled by the globalists, by which I mean that the party comes up with puppy politicians to run for office. These little cuties run about barking at shadows and leaping up to give the public big warm kisses and they're just filling seats in Congress, not legislating for America. They're just sooo sweet and it would be mean to ask them make sense - puppies don't make sense, they're lovable and cute and no threat to globalists. The globalists and the leftys aren't quite the same - Hillary wasn't Bernie. So the leftys might try to challenge Trump on policy. The trouble is he's made lives better by doing what he said would work - keep energy cheap, lower taxes, cut regulations, regard business as job creators, not plutocrats and help business do well in America. This creates jobs and tax revenues. The left has to promise to make lives better also but .. how? AOC and her kind have shown that hating business doesn't make lives better. Venezuela the same. Yet the left has to hate business. And also hating white people and Christians and farmers and ranchers isn't a winning combo. So ... Decision Time for Dems. You can see their direction in that they've dumped the Resistance but I see no policies.

Narayanan said...

Has Matt Y enough brain cells to follow money to "sugardonors" who helped to AstroTurf the protests?

Drago said...

"*And former Republicans, so repulsed by Trump that they no longer identify with the current party."

They were never republicans.

They were democrats playing at being republicans which is undeniable given their rapid sprint to publicly embrace the leftist and liberal policies that they had always been privately fighting for.

The masks are all off and no one is being fooled by these faux conservatives.

Just today the leftist hack leftovers from The Cuckly Standard at The lefty Bulwark were writing about how socialism isnt that big of a deal!!

The LLR's are clearly reeling from the collapse of their co-lefty coordinated hoax collusion coup.

mockturtle said...

Toxically unpopular with whom? With the media? With the perennially puerile feministas?

Ignorance is Bliss said...

A swirl of controversy about anti-Semitism and ties to Louis Farrakhan cast a shadow on key leaders of the official Women’s March organization...


It did not cast a shadow on them, it cast light on them.

Sebastian said...

"I would assume the Democrats want the resistance demobilized."

They do. It annoys "moderates." It makes it harder for people to vote for "serious" Dems. It lets the mask slip--gotta keep the mask on.

Of course, we know progs want power ueber alles, in both meanings of the phrase. But even by prog standards, the resistance is a bit over the top: the economy is delivering for the less privileged, Trump's trade wars serve labor, judicial appointments are from the standard Republican playbook, and even cracking down on illegals used to be a Bernie talking point.

Ken B said...

I used to lean strongly Democrat. Kavanaugh is what finally convinced me I will never support a Democrat again. I might go for Schultz, or a Libertarian, or Trump. But, after Kavanaugh, not a Democrat.
Is that the kind of toxic he meant?

And is he *boasting* about making false accusations? I think he is.

Drago said...

Most interesting fact about Mathew Iglesias: he is as loud and proud to admit he is happy to lie and deceive to advance the lefty cause as his many LLR lefty allies are to proudly proclaim their purpose on blogs is to smear Trump and his supporters.

Again, this transparency in intent and purpose is a positive outcome of Trumps victory in 2016.

TrespassersW said...

vThat's some interestingly ineffectual handwringing by Matt Yglesias...

Oh, he excels at that!

Howard said...

Beto and Biden are the conservative answer to creeping democratic progressivism.

Trump the little chubby fears being on the dais with a tall lean large handed man. He won't have Hillary's corpse to kick around any more

Michael K said...

"The resistance spurred an unprecedented level of interest in special elections, swinging seats across the country, and powered Democrats to sweeping wins in the 2018 midterms."

The thing that made the difference in the 2018 midterms was vote harvesting, All the Republican Congress people in Orange County were ahead the day after election day,. Then came the flood of "late" voters that turned them all out.

The Republicans held the majority on the County Board of Supervisors, suggesting that the vote harvesters were not organized at the local level.

Martha McSally was ahead for several days after election day in Arizona but, again, a flood of "late votes" swamped her campaign.

I hope the Republicans have paid attention and have figured out how to deal with this form of vote fraud. It would be very hard to go back to only voting at polling places. Some way needs to be found to validate ballots.

Quaestor said...

Inga wrote: People have “resisted” for good reason, and those reasons haven’t gone away these past 2 years...

Every villain has "good reason" for his villainy. Every paranoid schizophrenic thinks his delusions are a sign of special favor.

Henry said...

Whole lotta "no true scotsman" arguments in this thread.

Amadeus 48 said...

Since Matty doesn't know anything, how does he know when he is lying? I guess he thinks he knows, so he thinks he knows when he is lying. But the reader has to do all the work, because Matty doesn't know anything.

It's a lot of work to sort it all out just so you can laugh at him. It's just easier to laugh at him.

traditionalguy said...

The times of Deep State's powers, they are a changing. Panic has hit them big time as William Barr has signaled Start Your Engines to the drivers sent to pick up the accused in the 85,000+ sealed Federal Indictments. And the FED, she don't say nothing.

h said...

For a long time I have felt that the MSM-Left took away an indelible lesson from the 2006 experience in which Republican Senator (and candidate) George Allen called out a heckler (I think it is fair to say it was a heckler of color, but not an African American, but I'd be happy to be corrected on this point) by calling the heckler "Macaca". The Washington Post ran "Macaca" stories daily for a long time. If I recall, a national review columnist counted them in the hundreds. The underlying (sometimes explicit) theme was "Macaca = racist". And in the election Allen lost.

So the indelible lesson to the media was this: any connection, no matter how tenuous, can be an effective attack if repeated, or implied, over and over and over and over (to the hundreds).

So, even though Brett Kavanaugh has been(I would say) "Proven to be "not a rapist" , the media knows, "we only have to repeat over and over and over Kavanaugh = rapist and that pseudo-truth will become established as fact in the minds of the populace."\\a

Henry said...

I should define a bigger argument tent. There's the "no true scotsman" arguments for the anti-Trump conservatives and the "could it be Satan" arguments for the left.

The Godfather said...

Every serious observer of US politics knows that the way to beat Trump in 2020 is for the Democrats to run a candidate who can plausibly claim to be a moderate. Keep the tax cuts, protect the border without a wall, stuff like that. The last time an incumbent Republican President was defeated was 1992, and that's what the Democrats did when they nominated Clinton. BUT it appears right now that it is impossible for a moderate (even a faux moderate) to win the Democratic nomination. The old political wisdom used to be that you run to the extreme side (left for Dems, right for Repubs) to get the nomination, and then move to the center for the general election. I don't think that will work anymore, at least not for the Democrats.

Jon Burack said...

Resistance leads to burnout. That's the phrase we used back in the day. And burn out is easily dealt with when you live in a society as flush and stable and perfectly fine as ours is. Too many distractions too easily available to help relieve the pain. One of those distractions is the presidential election spectacle. You can have fun rallying round someone and still think it has something to do with "resistance." Resistance itself, the real thing, is just too damn exhausting. And in their deepest depths, most of those in it know it's mainly a game.

mockturtle said...

Michael K recalls: Martha McSally was ahead for several days after election day in Arizona but, again, a flood of "late votes" swamped her campaign.

Yes. I had been watching the returns with confidence and then--lo, and behold!--Sinema squeaks by at the 11th hour. We may have to hire foreign officials to monitor our elections.

Chuck said...

Michael K;

That's an astonishing notion to me. That some form of vote fraud made the difference in the control of the House after the 2018 election? And that it somehow crossed multiple state lines? And that some Senate races were determined on the basis of massive vote fraud? Have I go all of that right?

I will say to you; there isn't a single Republican-backed election integrity proposal that has been made in the last ten years that I don't wholeheartedly support. I am for voter ID; I want the citizenship question on the census form; I oppose same-day registration and public redistricting commissions. I loved the Citizens United decision. I am 100% pure, doctrinaire Republican on election and campaign finance laws.

But what I cannot stand is phony apocryphal stories from the Left about supposed "voter suppression" or phony apocryphal stories from the Right about "vote fraud." Election law fights are hard, and complicated; we have no room for bad arguments.

So do you have a good source on any massive vote fraud in California, Arizona or elsewhere?

walter said...

Maybe when the protest is the new brunch it eventually loses value.
Did Matt address the public harassment of Trump admin folk at restaurants, homes and such?
I mean..that scaring the out of Tucker Carlson's wife wasn't THAT long ago..

0_0 said...

Nancy is waiting for any actual evidence; she will not begin impeachment without it.

Kirk Parker said...

bagoh2o,

Sounds chilling, though I guess I don't
really understand how killing Yglesias would prove you weren't an undercover cop.

Anonymous said...

Those brown shirts aren’t gonna wear themselves. To the streets!

wendybar said...

When the "RESISTANCE" includes the whole of the Main Stream Media....you cannot wonder "WHY". The MSM decides what stories to run with and which ones to ignore, leading people which way to believe when lies are repeated over and over and over again and told to be the truth.

tim maguire said...

House Democrats do not appear to be particularly interested in grassroots resistance work....[]...he thinks congressional leaders have deliberately demobilized the resistance

Yglesias doesn’t seem to know what grassroots means. Which is unsurprising considering how it’s usually used in his circles.

Matt Sablan said...

Has successful character assassination of a left leaning politician ever been considered a kind of success?

Matt Sablan said...

Talks of vote harvesting and the like are a sign of fundamental loss if faith in government. Ever since I saw the ballot that had Coleman crossed out and Franken checked count as a vote for Franken and a ballot with Franken crossed out and Coleman checked ALSO count as a vote for Franken, I haven't thought voter fraud is as much of an issue as Republicans obvious incompetent handling of recounts.

stlcdr said...

...

No. Why would it be? The base wants pretty much the same thing when it comes to Trump. While Democrats aren’t monolithic on all issues, we agree on the fact that Trump is dangerous to the welfare of the US.


What danger? The only danger is made up that he’s a racist nazi, etc, etc. basically, name calling repeated, ad nauseum, by various media outlets an twit wannerbees, that it generates a state of fear in the left with no basis in reality.

The resistance is only useful enough to put the left in - controlling - power. The left politicians then impose controls on the proletariat. The left then becomes outraged when a right leaning government uses those same controls to allow people to do what they want to do.

Why do the left ignore the fact that we have a very strong economy, and overall great environment right now? Why do they want to destroy that?

Saint Croix said...

"Engaged protesters were not able to block the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act or Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation to the Supreme Court, but they did render both toxically unpopular."

I think Yglesias is right that the attack on Brett Kavanaugh was utterly and completely political. He was not attacked as a rapist, or "potential rapist," because people actually think he's a rapist. He was attacked for one reason and one reason only, to keep him off the court. It was a partisan, political move, by any means necessary, and that includes false accusations and mud-slinging.

The rest of us in the real world understand that this means the "me too" movement has become very politicized, and is itself now seen as "toxic." Way more toxic than Brett Kavanaugh, for instance.

False accusations of rape are an ugly thing. To use the horrible crime of rape as some campaign tactic is deplorable, and way more deplorable than voting for Donald Trump. Feminists like Althouse (and Yglesias) who support Roe v. Wade and the "me too" movement should also speak out against the lies, deceptions, and evil that people do in the name of feminism. If you want people to hear and respond to your concerns, we have to believe in your honesty. If a rape accusation just becomes another tactic women use to manipulate others, that's a disaster for feminism. Not to mention all the innocent men who are accused of this. So I say to feminists, clean your own house!

Saint Croix said...

Also I urge all women (and the girly men who love them) to abandon feminism. Feminism is now a "me first" movement, which is why it's so toxic. This is why so few women are willing to call themselves feminist.

I urge everybody to act like a humanist, not a feminist. We should have respect and sympathy for all human beings, including males and unborn children. Feminism fails at this, utterly. It should be relegated to the dustbin of history.

Meade said...

"Feminism is the radical notion that women are people"

Let it begin and end there. Humanism is the radical notion that humans are people.

Matt Sablan said...

Cannibalism is the notion humans ate people.

JAORE said...

"... we agree on the fact that Trump is dangerous to the welfare of the US."

So very, very dangerous. Especially when he wants to make fundamental changes to our Constitution like abolishing the EC. especially when he's packing the Supreme Court by adding Justices to assure they vote the way he wants. Especially when he has packs of street thugs that stifle speech unflattering to his politics. Especially since he wants to toss out vast segments of the economy in service to a grand new plan for the environment that assumes China will follow our lead. Especially when he's ignored the Iranian and Nork efforts to gain ICBM/Nuke capability.

And the results are already evident in the jobs levels for minorities.

Oh the humanity.

stevew said...

What Matt does not seem to understand, but Pelosi knows, is that the resistance was purely about electoral politics not ideological principle. All that resisting got Democrats elected in 2018. Pelosi has decided, for the moment at least, that the resistance will not achieve electoral success in 2020; it might even retard it.

Nichevo said...



But what I cannot stand is phony apocryphal stories from the Left about supposed "voter suppression" or phony apocryphal stories from the Right about "vote fraud." Election law fights are hard, and complicated; we have no room for bad arguments.

So do you have a good source on any massive vote fraud in California, Arizona or elsewhere?


Why, Chuck, don't you?

Nichevo said...


Blogger Matthew Sablan said...
Talks of vote harvesting and the like are a sign of fundamental loss if faith in government. Ever since I saw the ballot that had Coleman crossed out and Franken checked count as a vote for Franken and a ballot with Franken crossed out and Coleman checked ALSO count as a vote for Franken, I haven't thought voter fraud is as much of an issue as Republicans obvious incompetent handling of recounts.

3/20/19, 5:19 AM


So you are parsing between voter fraud and election fraud?

Henry said...

Why, Chuck, don't you?

They don't exist. All that exists, on both sides, is geometric extrapolation from small incidents.

Michael McNeil said...

Let it begin and end there. Humanism is the radical notion that humans are people.

Didn't our Blogmistress recently allege that humans can't be used in that way — as a noun?

Professional lady said...

The so called "Resistance" are so into self aggrandizement. That's when I lost trust in the MSM many years ago - when I realized it was all about them and not about actual reporting of the facts. This hit me in the Reagan years even though things were nowhere near as bad as today. It's all about inflating your own ego, thinking of yourself as a hero even though you've done nothing heroic. Living in their comfortable little bubbles, they should be ashamed to use the title.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

The left believe their own lies. That's the bigger problem.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Chuck should Google "ballot harvesting" instead of asking for others to disprove his own ignorance. When he does he will see a new scheme the uniparty people's republic of California came up with (and sure they shared it with AZ, why not?), and just the description of the mechanics of it should give any true Republican (or citizen with an ounce of fairness in their bones) the willies for its brazenness:

The new law gives political PARTIES two more bites at the apple after all legitimate ballots are counted. First, people who show up claiming they should be on the registered voter rolls but are not are allowed on Tuesday (election day) to cast a "provisional" ballot with "emergency" same-day registration (a classic technique Democrat like to use by employing college students who are NOT residents of the target state but can often get a ballot into the box anyway).

Then the clock starts and Democrats have until Friday to "correct" the vote by creating ballots. The scheme is based on creating Democrat straight-ticket ballots and obtaining "signatures" of registered voters who had failed to vote on or before election day, ostensibly by going door-to-door in the district, although there is no mechanism to verify that is how "signatures" are actually obtained. Keep in mind that only between a third and half of registered voters ever show up, so this is a very rich vein to mine for fake votes. After all, how would I know if someone used my name to vote in San Bernardino County now that I'm in Riverside? I wouldn't know. But election officials and the DNC (a Venn diagram forming a perfect circle I'm sure) would know I didn't show up.

So how this worked in the real world last November was the usual Republican wins were racked up in Orange County on election day. By the Friday deadline, every single district in which the R was ahead on election day magically had just enough D votes to put the challenger over the top. In every single statewide race. Seventeen times "lightning struck" just the right way!

Now I don't know if Chuck had to take statistics like MBAs such as myself have to. But if he did he might notice how unlikely this scenario is, and I'm sure he will see how undemocratic the scheme is, what with activists running around with stacks of unverified ballots delivered just in time. But what I want to know is how an establish,ent R can be (1) unaware the Ds are doing this, (2) unprepared to counter it legislatively or in court, and (3) had no comparable movement to harvest R votes in the same way since this new scam is LEGAL in CA? Why weren't Rs on the case there, Chuck?

n.n said...

Cannibalism is the notion humans ate people.

Or reuse, recycle her profitable profits.

Drago said...

Mike: "But what I want to know is how an establish,ent R can be (1) unaware the Ds are doing this, (2) unprepared to counter it legislatively or in court, and (3) had no comparable movement to harvest R votes in the same way since this new scam is
LEGAL in CA? Why weren't Rs on the case there, Chuck?"

Mike, the mistake you make is assuming LLR's are actually opposed to what the dem/left is doing.

They are not.

The LLR defense ulof dem practices such as these follows a familiar pattern:

1) categorize any suggestion this is happening as a complete lunatic conspiracy theory
2) once shown it is true, pretend its nowhere near the scale anyone should be concerned about
3) once shown it is a big problem, pretend that somehow there is historical precedent for this and is a "rational response" to some mythical lefty defined problem

---this is the lefty/dem/LLR 'ok ok so you caught us, but you are still the bad guy' fallback ploy.

4) when all else fails, twist the issue beyond all recognition and blame Trump

We see these very tactics deployed on this blog by LLR's.

But only daily.

Bilwick said...

It's always a wonder to me that Yglesias and others of his ilk can take the Mailed Fist of the State out of their rectums long enough to sit down and write as prolifically as they do.

Kirk Parker said...

Mike @ 9:08am,

Or consider the MN Senate recount that put Franken in office, or the WA Gubernatorial recount in 2008 that ending in multiple recounts. I'm more familiar with the latter because I live here: every single recount (I think there were 3) resulted in just a few more votes, proportionally, for the D candidate. Again, statistically what are the chances?