June 17, 2017

"You are all Goebbels! Goebbels would be proud!" shouts Jack Posobiec at the players and audience at the "Julius Caesar" performance in Central Park last night.

We see him at the end of the video he is making of his partner-in-protest Laura Loomer, who barged up onto the stage yelling about "political violence against the right." "It's unacceptable!" she instructs. She gets 6 seconds before the voice on the loudspeaker takes control, announcing "Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to pause," and after half a minute security has hustled her off the stage.

The "Julius Caesar" performance is the one with a Trump lookalike playing Caesar and getting stabbed to death on stage.

Here's some more information about about Prosobiec and Loomer. They both work at The Rebel. She's been a reporter for Project Veritas. He got a lot of attention in this New Yorker piece, "The Far-Right American Nationalist Who Tweeted #MacronLeaks" (May 7, 2017):
Jack Posobiec is the bureau chief and sole employee of the Washington, D.C., office of the Rebel, a Canadian media outlet that specializes in far-right video commentary. Last weekend, I met him at a Peet’s Coffee a few blocks from the White House. He told me, “As a journalist, I use all the tools at my disposal”—mostly YouTube, Periscope, and Twitter—“to seek the truth and disseminate the truth. That’s the purpose of journalism, right? At the same time, I also do what I call 4-D journalism, meaning that I’m willing to break the fourth wall. I’m willing to walk into an anti-Trump march and start chanting anti-Clinton stuff—to make something happen, and then cover what happens. So, activism tactics mixed with traditional journalism tactics.”
They broke the 4th wall* last night.

When is it acceptable to disrupt a performance and appropriate an audience that did not assemble to hear your message?

And who, if anyone, was "like Goebbels" last night? (We've seen so much of the left calling the right Nazis, and this shows Nazi-calling goes both ways.)

ADDED: Interrupting the players and even getting on stage with them is traditional:
Since most theatre performances were often three hours long... the behavior of the audience became very rowdy, the audiences did not keep quiet, or arrive on time, or remain for the whole performance they would simply get up and leave whenever they felt like it. They joined in on the action occurring on stage, interrupted the actors, and even sometimes got on the stage. They also talked during dull moments, and threw rotting vegetables, especially tomatoes at the actors...
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* "Breaking the 4th wall" normally refers to the actors deviating from the theatrical convention of behaving as if they're in a 4-sided box and the audience isn't there. It's something the playwright or the director chooses to make part of the show. It's presumptuous for someone not connected with the show to take it upon himself (or herself) to break the wall. I've seen plays where it looks like that's happening, where one of the actors is seated in the audience and he starts heckling the play and getting a response from the actors on stage and it takes a little while to realize that's part of the play.

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The Vault Dweller said...

If this serves any purpose it is to hold a a mirror up to the left and let them see how they so often look through the eyes of the right. The main thing I have learned about being a righty and dealing with the left is that being called Nazi doesn't mean so much in the grand scheme of things.

Craig Howard said...

As the "Instapundit" put it, let the left see what it's like to get their hair pulled.

Rae said...

Unfortunately, throwing a public tantrum is how things get done now. The Left taught us that. Expect more of it going forward.

rhhardin said...

The audience paid to be part of a political statement, not to enjoy Shakespeare.

Jason said...

"When is it acceptable to disrupt a performance and appropriate an audience that did not assemble to hear your message? "

As soon as the Code Pink whackos made a practice of disrupting hearings and public events.

As soon as the lefties went about disrupting Walker speeches and deliberately ruining Walker events.

As soon as lefties didn't object when their own people were disrupting and preventing Milo and Shapiro events on college campuses.

As soon as the left wholeheartedly embraced the heckler's veto as a tactic.

rhhardin said...

I'd guess a priori that it's a metaprotest, not a protest. That is, it means to imitate the left's protests.

Deb said...

Falling on deaf ears. They will see this as proving their point about the Right.

rhhardin said...

Derbyshire points out that the play is if anything pro-Caesar; and that the anti-democrats are the left. We had a vote.

Paco Wové said...

When is it acceptable to disrupt a performance and appropriate an audience that did not assemble to hear your message?

What, you mean there are still "rules" about "things" anymore?

Paco Wové said...

What they should have done is rushed the stage, doused everybody in Gatorade, and ripped off Caesar's shirt.

wendybar said...

If the roles were reversed, and this were President Obama...I am sure there would have been a lot more protests, and disrupting of a play. I had heard that St. Louis did this same play with President Obama, but I didn't hear that it was so brutal of a killing of him, which would have been on 24/7 f it did. The right is learning how to fight back...and they are learning it from the left.

Bob said...

The Central Park production of Julius Caesar is nothing more or less than assassination porn for deranged leftists.

As for whether it is appropriate to storm the stage and interrupt the play, sure. It's in Alinsky, rule 4: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." The Left regularly employs such tactics against conservatives; it's only through retaliation using the same tactics that the Left will be forced to abandon them.

Laslo Spatula said...

As the old saying goes, you can't cry 'Nazi!' in a crowded theater.

I am Laslo.

Michael K said...

The audience paid to be part of a political statement, not to enjoy Shakespeare.

Yes and they got what they paid for.

Some guy said "Get in their faces."

Laslo Spatula said...

Re: 7"25 --

Yes, I realize it was in the Park, not an actual Theater.

To further explain: the old saying is "You can't yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater.

Forest and Trees.

I am Laslo.

wildswan said...

Trump got 37.5 % of the vote in New York State. The tax money of these people is being used to finance a depiction of the assassination of the man they voted for. I would say that as financiers they are entitled to disrupt it every third day. I realize that this is not the way a normal play works and the players are all honorable men (/women/it/ET's) but this is not a normal play and its differences invite participation.

Laslo Spatula said...

Re: 7:27 --

"Forest and Trees" is shorthand for someone not being able to see the forest for the trees.

Just to clarify.

I am Laslo.

St. George said...

What's amazing is that it has taken so long for something like this to happen.

TwilightofLiberty.com said...

I love this. It filled me with joy when I read it last night.

Takes way more stones than covering your face, hitting someone with a bike lock and then running away, for example.

Laslo Spatula said...

Some people are not used to having their Fourth Wall broken.

Akin to living in a bubble.

A bubble with four walls, that is.

Which gets dangerously close to the mime in the glass box.

Note: the mime is not actually in a glass box, though: he just makes it look that way.

I am Laslo.

Jason said...

If it were an Ann Coulter speech, would liberals be objecting to the disruption?

campy said...

When is it acceptable to disrupt a performance and appropriate an audience that did not assemble to hear your message?

When the audience is deplorable and the performance is hate speech.

sinz52 said...

Craig Howard: "As the "Instapundit" put it, let the left see what it's like to get their hair pulled."

As I have always said,

the main thing motivating Trump's supporters is a thirst for revenge.

AJ Lynch said...

"Far right" The Rebel .....sheesh will they ever describe CNN, Wapo, NYT etc as far left or liberal?

And The Rebel is so far right is has been very involved in free speech cases in Canada and fighting against ridiculous hate speech laws.

Brookzene said...

As I have always said,

the main thing motivating Trump's supporters is a thirst for revenge.


And they don't remember yelling "Liar!" at Obama while he addressed Congress.

Tommy Duncan said...

An acute observation by rhhardin:

I'd guess a priori that it's a metaprotest, not a protest. That is, it means to imitate the left's protests.

Prosobiec is making a point about the heckler's veto and the left's dark desires. The incident was non-violent and apparently over in 30 seconds. Unlike Berkeley, arrests were made immediately.

The message was less about the play and more about exposing tactics. The left can't complain without being hypocritical regarding their own self-celebrated behavior.

rhhardin said...

Deadpool (2016) goes meta-4th-wall. It talks about itself breaking the 4th wall.

There's a hidden movie outside it though that does not, where you buy the DVD because it has good lines.

Laslo Spatula said...

Domitian‎, the Proud Sexy Gay Commenter says...

I'd SO let the actor playing Trump suck my cock...!

He's not really my type, and he's too old, but it would be fun to have my Horse Cock sucked by someone I could pretend was President...

I wouldn't have the actual Trump suck my Cock, though: I don't want to look down and see that Orange Hair moving back-and-forth, and his tiny fingers probably could not fully grasp my Horse Cock...

If a President WAS to suck my Horse Cock I'd want it to be Obama, of course: I love the chocolate skin, even though his muscles are a little on the small side...

I once had a Kenyan up to my condo -- he was Young and Hot and barely spoke English, which I like -- but he could barely get his mouth around my Horse Cock. When I shot my load he said it tasted like Goat Milk: that kinda made me upset a little, although I have never tasted Goat Milk -- it just sounds Gross...

Bye, everyone! Suck suck!

I am Laslo.

Bob Boyd said...

As Goebbels himself once said, "It's a wankfest, boys. The more the merrier!"

Inga said...

"As I have always said,
the main thing motivating Trump's supporters is a thirst for revenge."
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"And they don't remember yelling "Liar!" at Obama while he addressed Congress."
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Hear, hear.

Brookzene said...

"The message was less about the play and more about exposing tactics. The left can't complain without being hypocritical regarding their own self-celebrated behavior."

Most of you have pre-adolescent sense of right and wrong. It's not about whether the right or the left can complain about the other without being hypocritical. Millions of people complain and don't approve of these tactics - which are a kind of violence - by anyone. Yes, even partisans.

So it's not about the differences or similarities between the righties and the lefties. It's about the differences between people who feel entitled to let their rage out in totally inappropriate ways and the rest of us who respect each other regardless of political differences.

Saint Croix said...

maybe it's a false flag operation!

(joke)

Tommy Duncan said...

BTW, the asides by to the audience by Groucho in the Marx Brothers movies were priceless.

AJ Lynch said...

Contra Brookzene's theory that the right thirsts for revenge, it is irrational hatred of mostly rich, successful, smart white people that fuels the liberal anger.

The left hates that white people founded the greatest country in human history; a country where most of earth's inhabitants would choose to live.

They hate that white people founded most of our schools, great companies and invented most of the world's great inventions and wrote most of the great books and plays and movies.

Hell, most of us work for a rich, white person or an organization [i.e. Univ of Wisconsin] that was established by white people.

The left wants whites to denounce these achievements and be ashamed.

We live in crazy times.

Humperdink said...

"And they don't remember yelling "Liar!" at Obama while he addressed Congress."

Whaddya mean? I remember it well. The accusation was proven to accurate.

Humperdink said...

"to be"

Brookzene said...

And by "most of you" I mean most of you who have expressed support for the Shakespeare disrupters in this comment forum. I believe in the greater sense of reasoning and responsibility in the lurkers here. They aren't as hard-core or as immune to reason as you are.

Laslo Spatula said...

A lot of people are playing the Lead Role in the Movie of their Life, and they never break the Fourth Wall.

They believe an Audience is there, fascinated by them, but they do not engage, they are The Star.

They believe those people are laughing at the right moments, crying at the right times, nodding in agreement to Wisdom: to break the Fourth Wall entails finding out that this may not be True.

A corollary to this is the Admonishment of those who live in Glass Houses...

I am Laslo.

Tommy Duncan said...

Brookzene said: It's about the differences between people who feel entitled to let their rage out in totally inappropriate ways and the rest of us who respect each other regardless of political differences.

I didn't feel much respect when Brookzene said: Most of you have pre-adolescent sense of right and wrong.

I'll bookmark this thread so I can remember the high standard Brookzene has set.

tcrosse said...

Turnabout is fair play.

Fernandinande said...

If the plays and such didn't suck they wouldn't need to be funded by tax money.

EDH said...

She gets 6 seconds before the voice on the loudspeaker takes control, announcing "Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to pause," and after half a minute security has hustled her off the stage.

Someone offstage was that at the ready at the PA system to respond that quickly and announce the delay?

They were expecting something like this?

Brookzene said...

I didn't feel much respect when Brookzene said: Most of you have pre-adolescent sense of right and wrong.

Make sure you bookmark what followed:

And by "most of you" I mean most of you who have expressed support for the Shakespeare disrupters in this comment forum. I believe in the greater sense of reasoning and responsibility in the lurkers here. They aren't as hard-core or as immune to reason as you are.

It's not about "right" or "left". It's about people who have a childish sense of right or wrong of any party.

Brookzene said...

Almost this entire thread can be reduced to "It's okay when we do it. It's wrong when you do it."

Inga said...

"And they don't remember yelling "Liar!" at Obama while he addressed Congress."
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"Whaddya mean? I remember it well. The accusation was proven to accurate."
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So that makes it acceptable? Noted. So stop complaining about the left using the heckler's veto then, no? Isn't one of the points of this blogpost to point out that it's a wrong tactic for either side to engage in?

Tommy Duncan said...

Laslo said: A lot of people are playing the Lead Role in the Movie of their Life, and they never break the Fourth Wall.

Which takes us back to rhhardin's comment about a meta protest.

"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it, and then misapplying the wrong remedies." — Groucho Marx

John said...

They call President Trump nazi and fascist. It does not matter about Goebbels. Nobody is arguing that anyo e is goebbels or a fascist (or Fascist)

Goebbels is just an epithet with no literal meaning at all.

It's about time someone started pointing out who the REAL fascists are.

Get in their faces. Fuck 'em

John Henry

Rusty said...

"When in the course of human events," Brookzene.
You admire it when the crown does it. Why condemn the opposition?

Brookzene said...

You admire it when the crown does it. Why condemn the opposition?

If only that were true you'd have a point.

Brookzene said...

It's about time someone started pointing out who the REAL fascists are.

Get in their faces. Fuck 'em


It's like the children's hour. Better yet it's a kind of insanity. And then it's "cloaked" (like no one can see through it) in self-righteousness.

Humperdink said...

"And they don't remember yelling "Liar!" at Obama while he addressed Congress."
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"Whaddya mean? I remember it well. The accusation was proven to accurate."
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So that makes it acceptable?
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It is now. Your side changed the rules. I am going to relish playing by them. The learning curve will be short for us.

Rene Saunce said...

Leftists are assholes. Stalin would be proud.

Brookzene said...

It is now. Your side changed the rules. I am going to relish playing by them. The learning curve will be short for us.

Don't kid yourself. You aren't some political heavyweight. You're a damaged loser. You aren't someone anyone would look up to other than confused people such as yourself.

buwaya said...

VPN over Wifi is back! In HK.

Turnabout is fair play.
Moreso, retaliation is rational game theory.
In that sense, it is about time that both sides were playing the same game. Its certainly taken the US right a long time to catch on.

As for Brookzene et. al., in extremes of political conflict and other power struggles, outside the routine, the allegedly "rational", well behaved side that does not play is irrelevant to outcomes. Revolutions, for instance, are made by minorities, however unrepresentative, not majorities. Non-players, whatever their opinions, accept the results, and usually adjust their opinions to suit. An unpleasant but inescapable lesson of history.

The only question is whether the American political situation is outside the routine. It clearly is, and thus the leverage of activist minorities is great.

Jason said...

"This is the remedy our enemies have chosen. Let us give them all they like of it."

- William T. Sherman

Brookzene said...

I love these advocates of game theory (they all sound like they just learned about it in the same sociology class) now using it to justify the real-life behaviors of...whatever they want.

LilyBart said...

When is it acceptable to disrupt a performance and appropriate an audience that did not assemble to hear your message?

This is what I think every time I see a video of a conservative speaker trying to speak at a college campus.

What's sauce for the Goose....

buwaya said...

Revolutions are made by "losers". And if they fail, the active side that suppresses the revolutionaries are also some of those who were "losers" before the crisis.
The comfortable and settled, traditionally, rationalize away the crisis, or if reality finally intrudes, they become losers themselves, and are radicalized, they accomodate the winners, or they flee.
Yet another lesson of history.

Humperdink said...

It is now. Your side changed the rules. I am going to relish playing by them. The learning curve will be short for us.
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Don't kid yourself. You aren't some political heavyweight. You're a damaged loser. You aren't someone anyone would look up to other than confused people such as yourself.
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Political heavyweight? Nope, just politically active person who tries to influence friends and relatives with reasoned arguments.

Damaged loser? In what way? Do tell.

Look up to confused people? I look up to successful people. They are easy to spot.

LilyBart said...

Brookzene said...

And they don't remember yelling "Liar!" at Obama while he addressed Congress.


It WAS rude, but also true. He lied to us about a lot of things. Important things.

Inga said...

So, the takeaway from the majority of the comments is that the left was smart to use the heckler's veto and now that the right has smartened up, they'll follow suit. OK then.

buwaya said...

Heh.
Game theory is fascinating stuff.
I suggest you check it out.
It works just fine in East Asia, as well as the US.

Open mind Brookzene! Let the concepts flow into you, the truth comes from all directions.

Brookzene said...

Political heavyweight? Nope, just politically active person who tries to influence friends and relatives with reasoned arguments.

And you think "Your side changed the rules. I am going to relish playing by them. The learning curve will be short for us," is a reasoned argument?

You need to listen a lot more.

Boxty said...

Brookzene, the alt-right believes that "taking the moral high ground" and "not behaving like our enemies because that is not who we are" is why the conservative movement has been a failure.

If your enemy uses chemical weapons, you have to double down until they learn to knock it off. It's not juvenile. It's what Obama called "punching back twice as hard."

Your kind of virtue signaling is the path of a loser and is what will get more people hurt or killed in the long run.

LilyBart said...

to support my above comment:

(while) Obamacare contains an explicit prohibition against providing federally-subsidized coverage to immigrants who cannot prove they are here legally......no honest person can deny that because of Obamacare, more taxpayer resources at the state and local level are being spent on health care of illegal immigrants than would have been spent otherwise

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2016/03/25/because-of-federal-health-law-illegal-immigrants-get-care/#3aee195e2139

http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/25/states-are-ignoring-federal-ban-against-giving-illegals-obamacare-benefits/



rhhardin said...

Zingers are inappropriate. That's how they work.

rhhardin said...

Shouting liar in a crowded theater.

Michael K said...

"So stop complaining about the left using the heckler's veto then, no? "

I'm sorry. I had forgotten that Obama stopped his State of the Union speech then. I thought he went on and lied some more.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Brookzene said...

If your enemy uses chemical weapons, you have to double down until they learn to knock it off. It's not juvenile. It's what Obama called "punching back twice as hard."

Except they aren't using chemical weapons. Most people, even partisans, are ordinary Americans who may not like the politics of all their neighbors but still manage to treat each other with decency regardless that the folks on the fringes, such as yourself, are advocating being really nasty and ugly to each other. "That's the way to hit him, Bud!"

mockturtle said...

As my mother would say, "Two wrongs don't make a right". While the interruption was 'fair' under the leftist/guerilla rules of engagement, it was rude and inappropriate. Neither the players nor the audience has the capacity to see the mirror, anyway.

buwaya said...

The left was extremely smart to create consequences, to enforce behavior norms on their opponents. The hecklers veto was part of that. It works.

This sort of thing is also in the nature of the propaganda of the deed, yet another highly effective subversive tactic that has served the left extremely well. Heck, most left-wing political manifestations are some variant of this.

And then there is the matter of preference cascades. The demonstration in public that a particular opinion is acceptable, or at least not unique, is a very powerful thing. The violence in Berkeley is in fact an attempt to prevent the emergence of a rightward preference cascade.

There is purpose behind the madness. Study history, and you will see.

Humperdink said...

Brookzene, your side changed the rules, beginning with inauguration day protests and has continued unabated. That has never happened, ever.

I have found it fairly easy to reason with moderate D's on the folly of this path. The moderates D's want no part of this, especially coming on the heels the tragedy at the ballpark.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

"When is it acceptable to disrupt a performance and appropriate an audience that did not assemble to hear your message? "

Evidently, from the actions of the left and the approval of the media.....all the time now.

Our new reality. Ugliness, violence, division, death, war.

Michael K said...

The left thinks its little army of BLM protesters and Antifi nutballs are enough to win a civil war if they succeed in starting one.

They aren't and it will get really ugly. Among other things the number of Trump supporters will keep increasing and Democrats will fracture into a Socialist and a rump party that hold only a few inner city offices.

Brookzene said...

Brookzene, your side changed the rules

Nobody changed the rules. People break the rules and then they put forth whatever bogus reason they can for why they did that. But in my world, the rules are the rules. They apply to me as they apply to you.

If you break the rules, it's on you.

buwaya said...

Brookzene,
History does not back your view of the efficacy of "decency".
Decency in human affairs is an end, not a means, a result of a state of stability, not its cause.
When you have a near-existential power struggle decency is beside the point, it does not contribute to victory, and at best is an element of propaganda. Either side at any time can claim a goal of "decency". The "decent" who do not understand the situation end up victims, or if they are lucky, bystanders.
History, again.
And note that history is usually written by the victors.

Fen said...

Brooke: "the rest of us who respect each other despite our political differences"

Ha. That rumble we just heard was Brooke shattering Hypocrisy Meters in a 3 mile radius. Thanks for the morning laugh.

In related news, Tony Soprano will give a lecture on property rights.

buwaya said...

Brookzene,

There are no actual rules, ever.
Merely risks and opportunities, and temporary conventions, for as long as they are relevant and efficacious.

Examine your assumptions.

Brookzene said...

Fen is right, I worded that wrong. We don't have to respect each others politics so much but we respect each other nevertheless.

Fen said...

"When is it acceptable to disrupt a performance and appropriate an audience..."

Forevermore.

Humperdink said...

Brookzene, your side changed the rules
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Nobody changed the rules.
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You're joking right? I am referring to the rules of political engagement. If you don't think they have changed since 1/20/17, I don't know what to say. There must be translation issue here.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Brookzene said: "we respect each other nevertheless."

Respect? I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Alternatively. Actions speak louder than words.

buwaya said...

Do we actually respect each other, or is that simply a convenient bit of self delusion, a rationalization?

It smells a great deal of a sort of complacent pride. This should fall quickly in an honest bout of self examination, of merciless introspection.

The alternate view is that we are by nature total shits, and we get through life by lying to ourselves constantly.

Rene Saunce said...

Semi-OT: Even the leftwing WaPo says "not a good sign" NYT willing to lie to smear Palin.


WaPo Fact-Check: ‘Not A Good Sign’ That NYT Editors Used Lie To Smear Palin


Rene Saunce said...

It all begins and ends with the media lying virtually all the time about the GOP, tipping the scales for their corrupt party.

In the minds of leftists, it's OK to slice off Trump's head or crap on his desk, or stab Trump until dead in the park.

Tommy Duncan said...

Almost this entire thread can be reduced to "It's okay when we do it. It's wrong when you do it."

Brookzene, I think they are trying to give the left an example of why it's wrong when the left does it. In general, I'm generally opposed to the heckler's veto. But an occasional example for discussion purposes is useful. It appears to me this was one of those examples for discussion.

exhelodrvr1 said...

If the left doesn't play by the "rules," and the right does, the right will lose. And that means society as a whole loses.

Fen said...

Inga: "So the takeaway is-"

Please keep your sordid delusions to yourself. You sound like a child: "so the takeaway from grounding me is lifelong imprisonment without even a trial"

No, the takeaway is that we had a social compact, your side has been in violation for quite some time, we tried reason and appeals to civilty without success.

So the only course of action is to inflict your behavior back onto you, to make it hurt until you agree to abide by the social compact you broke.

But you already knew this. Be obtuse, silk all you want. You've had this coming for a long time.

Next stop is a political witch hunt directed at your 2020 noms. Indict Terry McCaulif and Bernie Sanders.

Inga said...

"Do we actually respect each other, or is that simply a convenient bit of self delusion, a rationalization?

It smells a great deal of a sort of complacent pride. This should fall quickly in an honest bout of self examination, of merciless introspection.

The alternate view is that we are by nature total shits, and we get through life by lying to ourselves constantly."

So Buwaya, how should mankind behave toward one another then? Should we cast aside morals, decency, ideals of any sort?

Birches said...

What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?

Angel-Dyne said...

buwaya: In that sense, it is about time that both sides were playing the same game. Its certainly taken the US right a long time to catch on.

Not sure about the official right (Conservatives(tm)) having caught on, but the man-in-the-street right? I do believe it has finally sunk in. We're at the point now, though, where the sociopathic left hasn't caught on that he's caught on. Thus for a brief spell we get to enjoy a larf at the expense of the lefties who are now contorting their limbs out of joint with the moral posturing that used to work so well, but is inexplicably no longer cowing their enemies. (Must.posture.harder!)

Unfortunately what comes next (what's coming now, really) isn't going to be very amusing.

Fen said...

I wish Althouse would do a thread on Ace's declaration. He lays he out very clearly. I would link but this phone is too clumsy. Little help?

Inga said...

".....the takeaway from grounding me is lifelong imprisonment without even a trial"

WTF are you jabbering at? Incoherent nonsense.

Fen said...

Inga: "an honest bout of self-examination"

You first.

Angel-Tyne is spot on about the Left's moral posturing. Yesterday Inga couldn't even give a sincere "thoughts and prayers" for the GOP Congressman who were shot down. Today she is lecturing on civility.

Unknown said...

"...respect each other regardless of political differences."

Disgusting. I have no respect for Denny Hastert and neither should you. Respect those whom deserve it, not those who rape their students, whether they agree with you politically or not.

Very sick.

Fen said...

Inga: "WTF are you jabbering on about"

Smaller words - I'm comparing your deluded analysis to that of a spoiled brat.

Inga said...

"...respect each other regardless of political differences"

"Disgusting. I have no respect for Denny Hastert and neither should you. Respect those whom deserve it, not those who rape their students, whether they agree with you politically or not."

I have a feeling he means to respect normal people despite their political differences, who haven't committed crimes.

William said...

I think the protesters should have shouted "Allah akhbar" when they charged the stage. This would have revealed how facile and insincere the audience's disapproval of Trump's immigration policies are. Afterwards, while the trampled bodies by the exits were being carted away, the theatre goers could reflect on their hypocrisy and everyone could share a hearty laugh at this merry prank.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Do we actually respect each other, or is that simply a convenient bit of self delusion, a rationalization?

Great question.

Do we respect each other, as in all of us respecting everyone else? NO. I respect individuals for various reasons: accomplishments, characteristics that are above the ordinary.

I don't respect everyone in general. Not everyone deserves respect. Some people deserve much less.

I appreciate those who keep to their own boundaries and who 'respect' the social conventions that keep us from tearing each others' throats out.

Is is a rationalization or delusion that we "respect" each other??....YES. Societies over eons; from the time we were picking nits off of each others hairy backs in the savannas of Africa to today, have devised sets of conventions to keep us from killing each other and to just get the eff along. Survival of the group doesn't require "respect".

The left has defied those conventions and expects the others to not retaliate, ostracize or literally kill them to get things back in balance.

This is their delusion.

Quaestor said...

When is it acceptable to disrupt a performance and appropriate an audience that did not assemble to hear your message?

If the speaker is conservative, always.

mockturtle said...

Respect. It can mean so many different things to different people. I have a respect for the humanity of every person, regardless of his/her ideas or behavior. That is not to say that I exonerate them or even respect their beliefs. When we start dehumanizing people with whom we disagree we are on the road to destruction.

Inga said...

"We're at the point now, though, where the sociopathic left hasn't caught on that he's caught on. Thus for a brief spell we get to enjoy a larf at the expense of the lefties..."

Sociopathy isn't limited to people who embrace one political philosophy. There are pathological people on both extremes, left and right. We see it in these threads daily.

Inga said...

"Respect. It can mean so many different things to different people. I have a respect for the humanity of every person, regardless of his/her ideas or behavior. That is not to say that I exonerate them or even respect their beliefs. When we start dehumanizing people with whom we disagree we are on the road to destruction."

Well put and I can certainly agree.

buwaya said...

Inga,

Its not about how we should treat each other, but how we actually do. That is a huge field of study, eh? There are all sorts of conventions and accomodations and, indeed, rationalizations.

Out here, out where there ain't no ten commandments (Kipling ref of course), its pretty darn clear that distinction about should and is, and "should" becomes arguable. Anyway, my wife is asleep here in this very expensive HK bed, so should I also be, and we are off to Manila again tomorrow. Where the ten commandments do apply, but not quite in the way you are used to.

William said...

Shakespeare in the Park is at root a Stalinist experience. In capitalist societies you pay for goods and services with money. In socialist societies, you pay for such things by waiting in line. The lines for Shakespeare in Central Park are impressively long, worse even than for a new Star Wars movie. The theater goers know how to wait. They have picnic baskets with crystal glasses and elaborate spreads. Only people with a lot of money and free time can afford to see Shakespeare in the Park for nothing. Ironic, huh. For the rest of us, we can only rent Julius Caesar on Netflix. The version with Marlon Brando, as I remember, is pretty good and might even surpass the Trump snuff version.

Angel-Dyne said...

Inga: So Buwaya, how should mankind behave toward one another then? Should we cast aside morals, decency, ideals of any sort?

You're not the world's deepest thinker, Inga, so I'll refrain from a long pedantic aside on why your question doesn't follow from buwaya's comment.

I'll just throw in that maybe, as Flaubert described one of his characters, "he practice[s] virtue without believing in it".

See also DBQ, above, about action vs. talk.

Of course we know that you are noble and moral and decent. How do we know this? You have ideals! And we know that always makes a man moral and noble and decent. Whereas an observant realist who doesn't believe in the unicorn of human perfectibility would of course be unfit for the formation and running of the sort of prudent government that is the earthly optimum for human flourishing.

Inga said...

"Its not about how we should treat each other, but how we actually do. That is a huge field of study, eh? There are all sorts of conventions and accomodations and, indeed, rationalizations."

Yes indeed, but maybe treating each other as fellow humans might be a good place to start.

Fen said...

Here it is:

Sic Vis Pacem Para Bellum, May 31st.

Over at Ace of Spades HQ in the archives, lower right margin.

If some kind soul could link it here for others to read it would be much appreciated (my phone wont).

And again, I wish Althouse would cover this piece. She never links to Ace, maybe that's coincidence or maybe because of some old spat or grudge. But it's a good piece that explains very clearly what the Right is tring to accomplish by "dealing it back" to the Left.

I don't expect our resident libtards will do anything but soak in their obtuseness, but it would help those with more honest minds understand what is really going on here.

Brookzene said...

I have a feeling he means to respect normal people despite their political differences, who haven't committed crimes.

Sometimes those feelies that we get on the left are correct.

Martha said...

Did the Hamilton cast break the 4th wall and protocol when they lectured Vice President-elect Pence in November?

Just before the end of the performance, Pence, surrounded by Secret Service, prepared to exit the theater. The Vice President-elect was then asked by actor Brandon Victor Dixon to listen to his lecture about how a “diverse America” is “alarmed and anxious” about the incoming Trump administration.
“We, sir — we — are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights,” Dixon said as Pence exited the building.

“We truly hope that this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and to work on behalf of all of us,” Dixon added as the crowd exploded in applause and cheers:

Michael said...

Angel-Dyne

LOL

Brookzene said...

Brookzene said: "we respect each other nevertheless."

Respect? I don't think that word means what you think it means.


And yet...I don't think you know anything about me. Why would you assume I don't know what respect means?

buwaya said...

Inga,

There are thousands of ways various peoples, cultures and subcultures accept as a valid way of treating others as "fellow humans". This is in no way a standard of any sort.

May be more apparent to people who have grown up negotiating between cultures in their native habitats. But be it as it may.
Good night.

Inga said...

Angel- Dyne,

Yes it's easy to see that you're not the world's most moral person, you're not even very decent, you're not nearly as "deep" as you'd like to think you are. You're very easy to see through, tough talk, condescension, eltist tendencies, rude, not very original or thoughtful either. Take a lesson from a Mockturtle, she could teach you some humanity.

Inga said...

Good night Buwaya, stay safe there.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Why would you assume I don't know what respect means?

I have been reading your comments

Fen said...

Inga: "maybe treating each other as fellow human beings is a good start"

Of course it is, but you are not sincere. The GOP Congressman who were shot down? Anything you would like to say? We shouldn't have to hector you about it, we shouldn't have to drag it out of you. And it shouldn't be some grudgingly given conditional statement you had to be bullied into making.

Jack Wayne said...

I don't think that cold civil wars start over the heckler's veto or other violations of our social code. I believe it starts when those in government use government to enforce a different social code. And to be successful, that enforcement is accompanied by the approval of a portion of the citizens and much of the Ruling Class. So, using the tax code to create different classes of citizens, for example, is a slow poison in a society most citizens think of as egalitarian. Ignoring laws for virtue signaling is another example. Military excursions for years on end with no clear intent from the government to win. There are other examples. These are the reasons that cold civil wars begin and turn hot if there is no other resolution. Deadly faction begins in government and usually ends in tears.

Fen said...

That's hysterical Inga, I don't even think you comprehended what Angel-Dyne just said.

For fun, how about you paraphrase it in your own words.

After you get around to expressing sympathy for those GOP Congressman your people just shot down.

rhhardin said...

Dmetri Martin on the rule of glass houses.

Brookzene said...

I have been reading your comments

Point it out to me sometime.

Achilles said...

Inga said...

Yes indeed, but maybe treating each other as fellow humans might be a good place to start.

But Scalise deserved what he got because he is an NRA supporter. Got it.

Unknown said...

It is the epitome of hypocrisy to be lectured on civility by people who blatantly refuse to say that shooting Republicans is wrong. "Look at how bad these posters are who don't condemn interrupting our play about killing Trump! Don't they appreciate violent murder depictions against the President? Of course actually killing Republicans is a ok by me and I certainly don't condemn that!"

Both Inga and Brookzene have over the last two days done exactly that.

-- Vance

Achilles said...

Brookzene said...
I have been reading your comments

Point it out to me sometime.

That you are an unconscious hypocrite completely immune to cognitive dissonance? It is getting boring.

Tommy Duncan said...

Most of you have pre-adolescent sense of right and wrong.

And yet...I don't think you know anything about me.

Inga said...

"I believe it starts when those in government use government to enforce a different social code. And to be successful, that enforcement is accompanied by the approval of a portion of the citizens and much of the Ruling Class."

Jack makes a good point. Would this government enforced social code also pertain to such social issues as abortion? Would using the power of the government to outlaw it be a violation of women's rights? We can't pick and choose which social issues should not be government enforceable in that case then, right?

Brookzene said...

Who the f*#k refuses to say shooting Republicans is wrong?? Vance and Achilles always raise the level of discussion here:

"It is the epitome of hypocrisy to be lectured on civility by people who blatantly refuse to say that shooting Republicans is wrong."

"But Scalise deserved what he got because he is an NRA supporter. Got it."


Dust Bunny Queen said...

Point it out to me sometime.

Brookzene to I don't know: Don't kid yourself. You aren't some political heavyweight. You're a damaged loser. You aren't someone anyone would look up to other than confused people such as yourself.

Just one recent example.

Very respectful /sarcasm.

You see the difference is you "think" you are respectful, yet you call people names and don't address their ideas. Inga "thinks" she is respectful and yet twists everyone's words, belittles and laughs at others and postures herself as being superior.

I don't care to be respectful and don't pretend to be. Who is the more honest person?

Inga said...

"It is the epitome of hypocrisy to be lectured on civility by people who blatantly refuse to say that shooting Republicans is wrong. "Look at how bad these posters are who don't condemn interrupting our play about killing Trump! Don't they appreciate violent murder depictions against the President? Of course actually killing Republicans is a ok by me and I certainly don't condemn that!"

Both Inga and Brookzene have over the last two days done exactly that."


Vance, you don't get to bully other commenters into making some confession or statement. That's not how it works, not for me anyway. You'll never get what you're looking for by brow beating and bullying. I wouldn't/ won't give you the satisfaction.

Unknown said...

You missed yesterday when Inga did exactly that. And the day before when you decided you were too busy to respond to me when I asked you to do the same thing and you never did.

-- Vance

Fen said...

Jack, agree to some extent. I think what we are currently experiencing is a ruling class that refuses to abide by the will of the people. Trump was lawfully elected to change the status quo, and the Establishment Wings of both parties are drawing the long knives to stop him at any cost.

I believe the election of Trump was the American people's last attempt at a "legal insurrection", to borrow from Professor Jacobson. If Trump is removed or handicapped by extra-legal shennanigans, I believe we will see blood in the streets.

A large part of his base are blue collar and middle class, not country club Republicans more worried about "tone" than Liberty. Today's heckling of assassination porn could easily become grenades thrown on stage tomorrow.

Quite honestly, I hope the Left doubles down. I know most of us abhor violence and don't want a hot civil war. I was once one of you. But I've come to agree with Subtoi - these people are no longer our countrymen. I'm afraid the only way to get out country back is to kill every last Marxist.

Brookzene said...

Your side changed the rules. I am going to relish playing by them. The learning curve will be short for us.

That is what I was responding to. He has a habit of advocating this kind of nonsense, I don't have to respect the person who's advocating a path towards violence.

Jack Wayne said...

The abortion ruling by SCOTUS is definitive but for this reason: the court found emanations and penumbras of privacy in the Constitution. Somehow that privacy had eluded SCOTUS for a long time. And the privacy only appears to apply to women for abortion. Why didn't they use the 9th or 10th amendments to find the privacy? Because that would have opened up Pandora's Box. This is where faction begins: in government.

Brookzene said...

Quite honestly, I hope the Left doubles down. I know most of us abhor violence and don't want a hot civil war. I was once one of you. But I've come to agree with Subtoi - these people are no longer our countrymen. I'm afraid the only way to get out country back is to kill every last Marxist.

Yes, I respect people who disagree with me politically. I don't have to respect people who talk this way. That's not the same as saying "You voted for Trump so I don't respect you."

As I said my criteria for respecting people isn't based on politics it's based on whether they adhere to standards of right or wrong that are pretty much the foundation of western civ.

Fen said...

Cliff notes for our gentle lurkers:

"Treating each other as human beings is a good place to start... but fuck your calls to start with shot GOP Congressmen, I won't give you the satisfaction"

Thanks for making our point, Inga. Pose harder, clutch those pearls tighter.

Michael K said...

" but maybe treating each other as fellow humans might be a good place to start."

Tell that to the people who attacked Charles Murray about a book they have never read and injured a professor who doesn't even agree with him. although I wonder if she has read it.

Tell that to people at Evergreen State College.

Tell that to the rioters at Berkeley.

Tell that to rioters who sprayed pepper spray in the face of a woman at a pro-Trump rally in Huntington Beach.

I could go on. How many examples of leftist violence would you like ?

Inga said...

DBQ,
You're an honest broker, proudly rude, wave the flag! I am rude too, I don't like that aspect of myself however. I'll admit I have ideals, I certainly don't live up to them many times. I'm human and it's part of being human to strive. I'm also opinionated and I enjoy expressing it, sometimes it gets testy, it's the nature of the blog and humanity in general. No one is perfect, certainly not me.

Jack Wayne said...

"As I said my criteria for respecting people isn't based on politics it's based on whether they adhere to standards of right or wrong that are pretty much the foundation of western civ." Compare and contrast: it was wrong of Germany to invade Poland in 1939. It was right of the Allies to enter WW2. It was wrong of the Left to shout down speakers on campus. It was right of the Right to shout down the Central Park play/

Brookzene said...

I'm also opinionated and I enjoy expressing it, sometimes it gets testy, it's the nature of the blog and humanity in general. No one is perfect, certainly not me.

Totally fair, mature point of view, imo. Anyone here on any side should be able to say "I went too far. I need to walk that back."

We shouldn't play "gotcha" with each other.

mockturtle said...

The version with Marlon Brando, as I remember, is pretty good and might even surpass the Trump snuff version.

Yes, it was surprisingly good. IIRC, James Mason played Brutus and John Gielgud, the 'lean and hungry' Cassius.

mockturtle said...

Great grumbling toads! What is becoming of this blog? All this civility! :-D

Boxty said...

Brookzene, there is a precident for the path toward violence. It's called the Declaration of Independence. Every condition that the founding fathers gave for rebellion exist today. Every lawful and peaceful political action of the people is overturned by the government. We are overburdened by taxes and bureaucracy. Our pleas for all laws necessary and proper for our peace and safety are ignored.

Fen said...

Brooke, I don't want your respect. You're intellectually dishonest and corrupt.

Are you a Marxist?

Funny how your side thinks it's okay to punch a Nazi in the face, and all conservatives are the new nazi. How convenient. But if I say I fear the only way to save the nation is to (reluctantly) kill all the Marxists, that's a bridge too far.

Even though History proves Marxists are more evil than the Nazi by an entire degree. Hundreds of millions slaughtered to found your brave new world.

You would think that normal Democrats would want to root them out. The co-opt and destroy ever liberal group they infest: the environmental movement, our college campuses, Black Lives Matter, the Feminist movement, etc.

But no, Democrats prefer to be Little Eichmann - reaping the political benefits taken by their radical brownshirts while pretending they don't notice and bear no responsibility for the midnight arrests.

Not going to happen this time around. Either clean your house up or go down with them.

Brookzene said...

Great grumbling toads! What is becoming of this blog? All this civility! :-D

Heh, true. Maybe every now and then we need to do it - try to talk with one another meta - as if we were human beings.

Brookzene said...

Either clean your house up or go down with them.

Please, you're loathsome even without the childish threats.

Brookzene said...

Maybe I went too far, maybe I was being hypocritical when I called that guy "damaged" and a "loser". I was too quick to tie him to someone like Fen for my own convenience. DBQ could be right.

Michael K said...

One thing the left does not seem to understand and that is the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

Civilization is not the default version of human existence. Entropy exists in politics and civilization, once weakened and swept away, is hard to re-establish.

Look at Venezuela. It is an example of where leftist and totalitarian rule takes one. There is no leftism without totalitarian rule eventually because it is contrary to human nature.

Adam Smith explained this a long time ago.

The Soviet Union gave us a more recent example on the largest possible scale. It collapsed before it got to the Venezuela level.

The foot soldiers your side has mobilized are anarchists, who know nothing about civilization and actually oppose it, and Black Lives Matter ignoramuses who are probably being paid to do a lot of this.

Fen said...

Cliff notes

"Adhere to standards of right and wrong... foundations of Western Civilization...but don't expect me to denounce the brown shirts in my own party or plea to my fellow Democrats to dial down the inciteful hate speech, they have my tacit approval"

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

When is it acceptable to disrupt a performance and appropriate an audience that did not assemble to hear your message?

Long time now.

We're coming up on the 50th anniversary of Pete Townshend kicking Abbie Hoffman off the stage at Woodstock for doing this very thing.

Unknown said...

"When is it acceptable to disrupt a performance and appropriate an audience that did not assemble to hear your message? "

This is an eloquent rhetorical question, and it applies to all of these campus protest incidents where speakers are interrupted.

Michael K said...

" it applies to all of these campus protest incidents where speakers are interrupted."

Yes, and they are doing more than "interrupting."

Fen said...

Brooke: "tie him to someone like Fen"

See what I mean, Brooke? You can't even keep the "civilty" pose up for 10 minutes. It's all a ruse to avoid retaliation when you are knocked back on your heels. Soon as you catch your breath you'll take advantage of the "civil" truce to spit in our face, dehumanize us and greenlight your brownshirts to "hunt" conservatives.

It's why I no longer bother extending Mercy to your side.

PaoloP said...

I'm dreaming of the New Yorker giving a definition of "far right".

HoodlumDoodlum said...

More speech? More speech!

I'm kidding, but only by a little. I am against disrupting events and shouting people down and a heckler's veto. I am against it all around. The Left is very much for it--applauds themselves for it!--when used against their enemies. It is therefore difficult to feel too bad when the tactic is used by people the Left considers enemies.

It's possible this will be a long summer.

Achilles said...

Thousands of leftists in NYT comments:

"I condemn this violence unreservedly. But as GOP members bemoan their inability to go about a sacred America ritual without fearing for their lives, I must point out that the vast majority of Americans cannot now go to bed, or get up in the morning, or go to work without the threat of GOP cruelty hanging over them. My Medicare! My Social Security! My country once more to be dragged into a war of political and profiteering convenience! Let's have some proportionality here! And let's have some civilized gun safety laws."

3438 likes so far

"My thoughts and best wishes go to all injured.

Congressman Scalise, let something good come out of this tragedy. Let your Website, instead of "Congressman Scalise's pro-gun stance has earned him an A+ rating from the National Rifle Association, say "Congressman Scalise's anti-gun stance earned him an F rating from National Rifle Association.'"

2498 likes so far

"some guy was enjoying his second amendment rights AND multiple trained men with guns were NOT able to stop a guy with a gun..."

2198 likes so far

Young Turks blame Scalise.

Leftwing twitter response to Scalise shooting

More leftwing twitter

Markos Moulitsas ✔ @markos
Republicans are getting what they want.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...
So Achilles?

You basically said it's wrong for citizens to think that the threats to their lives - from Republican policy to price them out of the insurance market or to make guns (and the crimes committed with them) more freely available - are just as worthy issues of concern.

Brookzene said...

See what I mean, Brooke? You can't even keep the "civilty" pose up for 10 minutes.

You talk about killing people here all the time, Fen. The "civility" standard isn't the same for someone who pisses on humanity. "Traiterous cunt" you call your opponents. Don't expect the same standard response that I would give to an ordinary Republican or conservative who I only happen to politically disagree with.

You're a revolting person, you know it and you like it ("But I'm not remorseful" you told us).

tcrosse said...

I'm dreaming of the New Yorker giving a definition of "far right".

Their view of the political spectrum is probably just like their famous view of the USA, where there's a big empty space west of Tenth Avenue.

Achilles said...

Bernie says thousands of people will die as a result of republican health care bill.

Achilles said...

Leftist mobs in San Jose. Police are ordered by city to stand aside.

Achilles said...

Leftist ob goes nuts in Sante Fe.

tcrosse said...

There seems to be a false equivalence (to coin a phrase) between snarky comments on the internet and violent mobs in the street.

Brookzene said...

snarky comments

If you think the remarks I cited are simply "snarky comments" then you are absolutely part of the problem, for both sides.

Thorley Winston said...

"When is it acceptable to disrupt a performance and appropriate an audience that did not assemble to hear your message?"

You may want to ask Mike Pence and the rest of the audience that was there the night he went to see “Hamilton” and got subjected to an anti-Trump rant from the cast.

Bruce Hayden said...

"Leftist mobs in San Jose. Police are ordered by city to stand aside"

And those of us in the rest of the country continue to buy guns and ammunition, and practice with them. Big bump in sales running up to the election (I did my share buying another handgun the day before), then a drop after Trump's win. But, recently, there has been a rebound in sales. Funny thing is that those arming up are likely to be the last to see the Resistance, the antifada, when they move to using deadly force.

tcrosse said...

If you think the remarks I cited are simply "snarky comments" then you are absolutely part of the problem, for both sides.

Sticks and stones.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

I will have to think about it, but at first pass it sure seems like suddenly calling for respect and togetherness when your opponents start using the kind of tactics you have been using is "civility bullshit."

Hey, now that you are fighting back I think you should disarm!
The thing is, that MIGHT work if you said "now we should call a truce." I don't think that's happening yet, though.

Fen said...

Brooke: "loathsome childish threats"

It's fair warning, not a threat. You and yours will be held responsible for the actions of your tribe's brownshirts. There will be no plausible deniability for Little Eichmanns this time around. No more benefiting politically from leftist violence while pretending you have no idea what is being done to your neighbors in the name of your Party.

Of course you think the idea of sharing responsibility for them is loathsome. So did the Little Eichmanns. But how about instead of digging in and fronting your false outrage, you instead spend some time at HuffPo and Vox and MSNBC and the NYTs asking your fellow Democrats to dial back the inciteful rhetoric and calls for violence?

Act as if your life depended on it.

Brookzene said...

Act as if your life depended on it.

Shouldn't you be out posting on Stormfront or something? You really are hurting the blog here.

Fen said...

Brooke: "traitorous cunt you call your opponents"

Nope. That's only for Inga. And others here do the same to her. It's because she admits to supporting a coup against a duly elected President of the United States.

If you really believed in your "foundations of Western Civilization" lecture, you wouldn't find that ad hom so offensive.

But then, as we all know, "the Left doesn't really believe in the things they lecture the rest of us about".

Brookzene said...

Nope. That's only for Inga. And others here do the same to her. It's because she admits to supporting a coup against a duly elected President of the United States.

You're such a joke. Every comment you sound more and more like Gollum.

The Cracker Emcee said...

The white, middle-class Left are, by nature, very brittle people. It will take very little pushback to reduce them to impotent hysterics. Glad to see more of that pushback in public spaces.

Fen said...

Brooke "Stormfront"

Ah yes, back to calling me a Nazi in seconds flat. Your new "civility"...

I'd be more than happy to lead the campaign to eradicate all the Nazis. Can you say the same about the Marxists?

Because it's your Marxists bashing skills of innocent people with bicycle locks. With your tacit approval.

Brookzene said...

I'd be more than happy to lead the campaign to eradicate all the Nazis. Can you say the same about the Marxists?

Because it's your Marxists bashing skills of innocent people with bicycle locks. With your tacit approval.


You're a nut.

Michael said...

Ah, the lefties have gone all peace this morning. I wonder if they know what happened after that horrible man Caesar/Trump was stabbed to death there in the forum? Inga? Brookzene? After the yuks of the dead Caesar/Trump, what came next? Remember?

Inga, add to the list of your new words: proscription. Yes, there was some motherfucking social justice.

Brookzene said...

After the yuks of the dead Caesar/Trump, what came next? Remember?

Do I remember? I can still recite portions of what follow.

Fen said...

Brooke: "your a joke"

Do you deny Inga supports a coup against the President? She has admitted to it.

No, the joke is your appeal to "the foundations of Western Civilization" while refusing to accept the results of the last election. It's a wonder your brain doesn't explode under the pressure of such DoubleThink.

But why are you sparring with me when you should be over on HuffPo et al, begging them to knock it off?

One of your Democrat campaign strategists has started #HuntRepublicans. How about you write him a letter explaining that he is radicalizing very dangerous people?

You won't, because in private, you approve of his rhetoric.

Brookzene said...

We're done, Fen. Go find someone else to threaten and annoy.

Fen said...

Brooke: "your a nut"

Why? All I said is that it's your fellow Democrats bashing in skills with bicycle locks. Do you deny this?

Here's a clue: if you want to diffuse the current climate of violence, calling people "nuts" is only going to exacerbate it.

Why not call the DNC instead. Ask them to please dial down the hateful rhetoric before they get more people killed.

Michael said...


Brookzene: Not in the play, but in real life, the life of Romans after the death of Caesar. it wasn't all speeches. It was social justice motherfucker. Proscription. And the good gentle rational Ciceros were hunted and found and made to kill themselves. Oh, and there was much much more. Lefties never read history. It is a flaw.

Fernandinande said...

Jason said...
"This is the remedy our enemies have chosen. Let us give them all they like of it." - William T. Sherman


Nope, but pretty close.

Brookzene said...
"Traiterous cunt" you call your opponents.


Big deal, but you are the only one who has said that, which is pretty funny.

mockturtle said...

Michael K notes: Civilization is not the default version of human existence.

Indeed. And far more fragile than we realize. But right now both sides seem to be hearing a trumpet that hasn't [yet] sounded.

Fen said...

Brooke: "we are done"

We were done before we started.

I just wanted to give you fair warning, as a point of principle. You can no longer play the role of a Little Eichmann if/when this all goes hot. If Democrats like you refuse any attempt to rein in your brownshirts, you will have no right to complain when the violence escalates.

And it's unfortunate you've let your ego cloud your reason. A simple response along the lines of "Fen you're an ass but you make a valid point - I will police my side and ask the bomb-throwers to knock it off" would have gone a long way toward healing the breech.

But you can't bring yourself to do even that. Because for all your pretty words about respect, civility and foundations of Western Civ... power is all you really care about. And you will adopt and pervert any principle to promote the Left.

Achilles said...

My favorite part:

Hillary Clinton advisers are caught inciting violence and and committing voter fraud on video.

Robert Creamer visited the white house 342 times and met with Obama personally 47 times. Obama of course is all about violent rhetoric.

The democrat party is full of violent shitheads from top to bottom.

readering said...

I imagine the audience was pretty stoked about the disruption. They can dine out on I was there stories for months.like folks in audience when La La Land named Best Picture.

Inga said...

"Do you deny Inga supports a coup against the President? She has admitted to it."

WTF? That's news to me. Go find where I ever said this and post it here. Can't you make your point without resorting to lies?

Achilles said...

Fen said...

I'd be more than happy to lead the campaign to eradicate all the Nazis. Can you say the same about the Marxists?

The Nazi's were the National Socialist Workers Party. They were Marxists. What you are saying is redundant.

I know you know this and are just making a point to these Stalinists who are a just a standard chip off the old Marxist block.

This is just the next iteration in a long history of violent leftist power grabs.

Humperdink said...

Brookzene groveled: "Maybe I went too far, maybe I was being hypocritical when I called that guy "damaged" and a "loser". "

That was me you referring to. I'd like to take credit for bringing out the worst in you, but I can't. You get there on your own.

BTW, I have three children and a stepson. Two have masters degrees and work for a living.
Number 3 is a forester. The youngest is an ultra-sound tech. All self-supporting. From a leftie perspective, I guess I am a loser as none are feeding from the welfare trough. Prolly damaged also.

Achilles said...

Inga said...
"Do you deny Inga supports a coup against the President? She has admitted to it."

WTF? That's news to me. Go find where I ever said this and post it here. Can't you make your point without resorting to lies?

Your deliberate obtuseness does not make the truth that you support a Stalinist inquisition of Trump a lie. It just makes you obtuse.

Brookzene said...

I just wanted to give you fair warning, as a point of principle. You can no longer play the role of a little Eichmann if/when this all goes hot. If Democrats like you refuse any attempt to rein in your brownshirts, you will have no right to complain when the violence escalates.

And it's unfortunate you've let your ego cloud your reason. A simple response along the lines of "Fen you're an ass but you make a valid point - I will police my side and ask the bomb-throwers to knock it off" would have gone a long way toward healing the breech.


Fen don't engage with me anymore. You're a violent talking fuck up on the Internet who apparently wants me to feel threatened or intimidated, and I just want you to leave me alone. If you bother me anymore or threaten others here I'm complaining to Meade or Althouse.

Fen said...

Blogger Inga said: "I support the attempted coup against Trump. I want to see him frog-marched out of the White House in cuffs" according to anonymous officials at the NYTs.

That's all the courtesy you deserve. I'm not wasting time digging for your actual quotes. You've been pushing the fake Russia scandal for months now, with the occasional admission that as part of the "resistance" you want Trump taken down by any means necessary.

Everyone here has seen the quotes, as you became an incredible annoyance hijacking threads with your coup bullshit. Maybe one of them will take the time to find your quotes, but I know better. It's a waste of time.

Hell, just last night you denied supporting death panels for cystic fibrosis and downs syndrome, even though your quote was staring you right in the face.

Hell, your brain is so addled by Trump Derangement Syndrome, I doubt you can even remember what you said 3 days ago.

exiledonmainstreet said...

mockturtle said...
Michael K notes: Civilization is not the default version of human existence.

Indeed. And far more fragile than we realize. But right now both sides seem to be hearing a trumpet that hasn't [yet] sounded.

6/17/17, 11:57 AM

Thomas Sowell warned some years ago that civilization is the thin crust over a boiling inferno and liberals have been relentlessly picking away at that crust for generations.

But the liberals didn't listen to Sowell because he's just an Uncle Tom in their eyes.

Now the steam from the inferno is hitting them in the face and my, are they surprised.

Fen said...

Brooke: "Fen don't engage me anymore"

Heh. I'll respond to your nonsense whenever I feel like it. You don't get to squelch speech you can't tolerate. You have a problem with that, go back to your Thought Police over at HuffPo.

And no one threatened you, little snowflake.

readering said...

If picking at something for generations must not be very effective.

Fen said...

Achilles: "I know you know this"

Dang it I was going for a two'fer. :)

Inga said...

"Blogger Inga said: "I support the attempted coup against Trump. I want to see him frog-marched out of the White House in cuffs" according to anonymous officials at the NYTs.

That's all the courtesy you deserve. I'm not wasting time digging for your actual quotes. You've been pushing the fake Russia scandal for months now, with the occasional admission that as part of the "resistance" you want Trump taken down by any means necessary."

OK, Althouse has asked us not to be personal, but I must seriously ask if you are insane? You claim I said something I never said and you even have the nerve to put it in quotes. Then you go on to claim you don't want to waste time searching for the actual quote of mine in which I say what you claim. You are a dishonest lying sack of shit who apparently has delusions that rational people will believe your horseshit. If you accuse someone of saying something, even putting it in quotes, you better damn well have the actual quote in hand, or you make yourself look like the idiot you are. You are lazy, stupid, dishonest, and someone who daily engages in self aggrandizement. No one here is fooled. You come across as a loser, a disenfranchised minimum wage worker who doesn't have what it takes to succeed in life and spends hours online harassing liberals. Don't you have a job? A life? A wife? Pathetic as you are I doubt any woman would consent to get anywhere near you. So I'll end my response to you by saying you deserve absolutely no respect.

exiledonmainstreet said...

readering said...
If picking at something for generations must not be very effective.

6/17/17, 12:35 PM

It takes a while to ruin a great country. Congrats on your big achievement.

Michael K said...

But right now both sides seem to be hearing a trumpet that hasn't [yet] sounded.

I think there is an analogy to the second world war. The dictators thought America was to rich and too soft to fight.

The right has been the one side most interested in civilization for years. Back to the Bolshevik Revolution, anyway.

That might weaken as we are constantly assaulted by the left. Like this guy.

James K said...

Even though in general conservatives need to fight more often by the left's rules, disrupting "Julius Caesar" was a mistake. Why? Because of the old saw that if your opponent is embarrassing himself, don't intervene. The play is a PR disaster for the left, especially in light of the Scalise shooting. No need to pile on.

Inga said...

" That's news to me. Go find where I ever said this and post it here. Can't you make your point without resorting to lies?"

"Your deliberate obtuseness does not make the truth that you support a Stalinist inquisition of Trump a lie. It just makes you obtuse."

And your daily threats and comments make you sound like a deranged nutcase just waiting for the right moment to go out and shoot up some "Stalinists".

Gahrie said...

When is it acceptable to disrupt a performance and appropriate an audience that did not assemble to hear your message?

When you are a Leftwinger attacking the Right, of course.

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