March 14, 2017

"Ah, but I was so much older then I'm younger than that now."



Not sure when and where this was, but one commenter at YouTube says The Target Center, Minneapolis, MN. October 23rd, 1998. If that's true, then Meade is wrong saying he feels that he saw this performance (in Indianapolis).

30 comments:

Meade said...

Indianapolis, IN. Murat Egyptian Room 2002 2nd show

EDH said...

So, Meade was a Dylan fan before Althouse.

Ah, but is younger than that now?

dustbunny said...

I was there! But I don't remember this, thanks for posting.
EDH, I have the feeling being a Dylan fan would be a prerequisite.

Triangle Man said...

This photo from the 1998 Target Center concert seems to support that location for the video. The towel and Solo cup on the amp are present in both.

alan markus said...

Meade could be close, but wrong on this particular song. Dylan played Oct. 23rd in Minnapolis, Oct. 26th in Indianapolis. Checking the playlists on that tour, "My Back Pages (acoustic/harp) appears on the October 23rd set list, but not on the Oct. 26th set list. A random check of the lists for a few other adjoining dates does not show "My Back Pages" either. Maybe a rare and special treat owing to Dylan's Minnesota roots?

Bob Dylan's Fall 1998 Tour Guide

traditionalguy said...

Hey Mister harmonica man, play the Bob Dylan sound for me. He looks like he is enjoying the lyrics.

Dude1394 said...

Harmonica's are an under-appreciated instrument. Really nice work.

Deb said...

"Harmonica's are an under-appreciated instrument. "
so is the accordion. Which I used to play.

madAsHell said...

Bob Dylan's Fall 1998 Tour Guide

Meade claims it was 2002, so I'm not sure how 1998 is relevant....and here's the set list from the second show on November 5th in Indianapolis. It includes "My Back Pages".

Dude1394 said...

Another version. Not too shabby..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGEIMCWob3U

traditionalguy said...

They say that is the greatest song of political apostasy ever written. So it is appropriate for the Aeon of DaTrump. Both men think too much.

alan markus said...

@Triangle Man

The towel and Solo cup on the amp are present in both.

Funny that you notice the Solo Cup - I have been looking at Guns N Roses live concert videos - I notice in many of them Axl Rose has 3 of those big red cups on his piano during the concerts.

If you can remotely tolerate Guns N Roses, the Live In London 2012 videos are the best. I recommend them highly. Freak out the youngsters in your life - play them loud.

In this one, at about 7:00 Axl pauses to take a drink out of the big red cup & you can hear him say "aahh".


NOVEMBER RAIN - GUNS N ROSES LIVE IN LONDON 2012 HD

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Luke Lea said...

"I was so much younger then, I'm older than that now" might have been more appropriate at this stage in his career, no? I prefer the younger version by far: https://www.amazon.com/Another-Side-Bob-Dylan/dp/B00138D1DG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1489510488&sr=8-1&keywords=another+side+of+bob+dylan

Krumhorn said...

Ok. I watched the clip and didn't know who it was, and I didn't know the piece. Having just heard it, now I know why.

By saying this, I intend no offense to our hostess or Meade

- Krumhorn

jr565 said...

Byrds version is the definitive version of this song. it needs the Mguin jangly guitar and the Crosby harmony. Not to mention the more straightforward rock drumming

Ann Althouse said...

Triangle Man is doing some excellent sleuthing.

jr565 said...

Doesnt the left really need to listen to this song and get the point he's making? They are their own enemies in the instant that they preach. Which they do 24/7. Dylan at least recognized he was a pompous idealistic idiot and renounced his former idealism, which was actually based on his own arrogance.

Ann Althouse said...

I love The Byrds. The Byrds were my entry point into Dylan. But I still prefer the Dylan version of the song. More emotional connection to the words.

Ann Althouse said...

Also: The first concert I ever saw was The Byrds. Newark Symphony Hall, March 27, 1966.

Charlie Currie said...

jr565 said: "... Dylan at least recognized he was a pompous idealistic idiot and renounced his former idealism, which was actually based on his own arrogance."

The copyright for the song is 1964. I would guess - and this is only a guess on my part, and what do I know - that the assignation of President Kennedy may have played a part in the loss of his idealism.

At this time, I had been listening to Dylan, to my parents chagrin, for three years. I don't know which displeased them the most, his voice or his harmonica.

rightguy2 said...

I love this ; the band is swinging & swaying like they were The Band and Bob is singing with true feeling. This song means something to him.

Back Pages is a classic and it elegantly explained why he had to abandon the artistic dead-end of writing protest songs. It was all "finger-pointing".


How it pertains to this day, in my opinion, is that the democrats are still stuck in 1964. Lots of single-minded finger-pointing, name calling, and "I am right about everything and you are wrong about everything".

Charlie Currie said...

Saw Dylan at the Hollywood Bowl, Sep 3, 1965. Afterwards, we went to a club in Hollywood, where I started talking to three young ladies who had also been at the concert. They said they knew where the after concert party was being held. They had tried to get in, but were stopped by a security guard with a list of invited attendees. I told them I could get us in if they took me along - back then I had a lot of what my father called moxie.

So we went to this house in the Hollywood hills, located up a narrow side street, and there indeed was a lone security guard at the gate - gate, as in garden gate, not the kind of gate you'd see now - with his clipboard and list of names. I walked up to him, full of moxie, and said I was invited. He asked my name and I told him it was David Crosby - he had to be on the list, right? So as he was going the couple of pages of names, I was reading the list upside down...no David Crosby. Finally, at the bottom of the last page there were a dozen or so handwritten names, and I said, there, pointing to David Crosby's name. He said, ok, and I said these girls are with me. He said, ok. And, in we went.

Sat for awhile in the kitchen at a banquet where Mr Dylan was ensconced at one end holding court. When I got up to go wonder around and mingle with the Hollywood crowed, he asked if I was leaving, and I said something about mingling and he said, ok, see you in English. You'll only understand his meaning if you were alive then and watching TV commercials. I was impressed.

So, that's my Bob Dylan story.

P.S. David Crosby did show up later...quite stoned.

Charlie Currie said...

Crowd not crowed. Although, it was Hollywood and the crowd, I'm sure, was crowing.

Ann Althouse said...

Great story, Charlie.

"and I said something about mingling and he said, ok, see you in English. You'll only understand his meaning if you were alive then and watching TV commercials. I was impressed."

I wanted to Google my way to the meaning of that, which I don't know, even though I was alive then and watching TV commercials. But the words "in English" want so much to serve up translations. How do you say "okay, see you" in English? Which doesn't make sense, being already in English.

But...

Nos vemos entonces.

Roy Lofquist said...

"Then take me disappearin’ through the smoke rings of my mind
Down the foggy ruins of time, far past the frozen leaves
The haunted, frightened trees, out to the windy beach
Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow
Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free
Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands
With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves
Let me forget about today until tomorrow"

That, ladies and gentlemen, is all you need to know about Bob Dylan.

FullMoon said...

Roy Lofquist said... [hush]​[hide comment]

"Then take me disappearin’ through the smoke rings of my mind
Down the foggy ruins of time, far past the frozen leaves
The haunted, frightened trees, out to the windy beach
Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow
Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free
Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands
With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves
Let me forget about today until tomorrow"


Yep, "Ten thousand dollars at the drop of a hat
I’d give it all gladly if our lives could be like that"

Charlie Currie said...

"See you in English" is a reference to a toothpaste commercial (Ultra Brite - the sex appeal toothpaste, or a smile so brite it gets you noticed...I believe)

A cute high school girl is having a difficult time getting noticed by the cute boys. She switches toothpaste, which makes her teeth very bright...when she smiled, a light reflects off her tooth. Well, that did the trick. In the final sequence she is dropped off at home by one of the cute boys and as she enters her house she turns towards the boy (and camera) and says, "See you in English." then smiles the Ultra Brite smile.

Bob Dylan was a very observant individual - as are all those who comment on society through their art.

We were both watching the same commercials...so I had that going for me.

ganderson said...

My Dylan story is I saw him at a North Stars' game in the mid '70s. Ho hum. I think his brother (Steve Zimmermaman?) owned the OrpheumTheater in downtown Minneapolis

Paul from Minneapolis said...

I went to a Twins-Red Sox doubleheader at the old Met Stadium in Bloomington MN, 1978 or so. Dylan was at the same doubleheader! although I didn't learn of that until months later.

It did strike me as kinda funny that Dylan would go to a doubleheader. Chico Marx: "Sunday was a doubleheader, nobody go to the game."