February 12, 2017

Trump is trying to figure out who's going to run against him in 2020.

It's really hard to figure out.*
Trump’s chief strategist, Steve Bannon, asked consultants to scour the backgrounds of four outspoken Democrats — Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown, Connecticut Sen. Chris Murphy, Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper and Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, two sources close to the administration said....

The White House believes both Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren are “too old” to mount a serious campaign three years from now, sources said....

“Elizabeth Warren is 100 years old....” the second source said....
She's 67.
Trump’s political team is also counting out [NY Governor Andrew] Cuomo and New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker, because they’ve been tainted by corruption probes....

[Kirsten] Gillibrand, 50, has been raising her profile thanks to a series of “no” votes on Trump’s Cabinet picks, but White House officials view her as “too young” and believe she lacks the network in the party to run a nationwide campaign, the sources said.
So 67 is too old and 50 is too young. Noted.
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* I'm steeling myself for all the born-lame jokes about how hard it is to see in 2020. The headline at the link is "Trump’s White House eyes potential foes in 2020 election." Did they write "eyes" because it will be 2020? No 20/20 jokes. I'm pre-banning them. It's bad enough to have to plunge back into another campaign season.

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readering said...

You would think 2016 was proof that it's a waste of time to predict such things.

Yancey Ward said...

Michelle Obama vs Hillary Clinton in the 2020 primaries.

Yancey Ward said...

I also predict Trump will stand aside and let Pence run in 2020.

Alex said...

God Emperor Trump & Lord Kek have decreed Fauxahontas will be the DemoRAT candidate in 2020.

M Jordan said...

It'll be Al Franken. And he'll lose.

chickelit said...

'Elizabeth Warren is 100 years old. No one thinks that she could or would run. She’s Hillary Clinton 2.0 but worse,' the second source said.

She is worse that Hillary in one way: While Hillary owes her political fortune to signing a marriage license, Warren launched hers from Harvard -- a position she got by ticking a box.

chickelit said...

M Jordan said...It'll be Al Franken. And he'll lose.

People think that Franken has that ol' DFL magic -- a man for the common man in the upper Midwest. That's the only reason they're talking about him now. But the DFL was never much bigger than Minnesota. Franken could win Minnesota's electoral votes. Mondale did too.

Original Mike said...

Just focus on the present, Donald

Ignorance is Bliss said...

Currently the Democratic ticket in 2020 is Muir/Vargas

rehajm said...

Sherrod Brown's career (after Yale) has been devoted to the kind of people in OH that Trump picked off from the Dems. He's the best they've got at the moment.

I suspect they'll go with Lizzie if she's still around.

Roy Lofquist said...

Can't be as bad as the jokes from 1969.

Hagar said...

It will probably make more sense to wonder what Democratic Party will emerge after the present debacle.

Mark said...

sources close to the administration said

Which would include Obama holdovers. Unlike the congressional Republicans -- whose first priority is always the next election, starting the evening of the last one -- I don't see Trump as prioritizing any re-election. Trump wants to get things done NOW. He wants to fix things -- as he thinks needs fixing -- and then he wants to be able to say, "Job done. Did it better and faster than anyone. I'm out." Trump is not a lifer -- unlike some people (whisper Hillary) who will still be scratching for power 30 years after she's in a coffin in the ground.

Curious George said...

Warren would be the first woman and faux Indian president. Or is the other way around....

M Jordan said...

The Republicans are in a Power Play and the Dems think they just scored a short-hand goal with this Ninth Circuit outrage. I talk to Trump voters from the Midwest daily. I can assure you all, the Dems did not score a shorthanded goal. They simply high-sticked Trump without getting caught. They are in deep, deep trouble and they haven't really figured that out yet.

So let them send Warren, or Franken, or that dumbass Corey Booker out on the ice. They're all headed for the penalty box and soon it will be six-on-zero.

(Wow, did you see what he did there with that hockey metaphor. Consistent.)

Mark said...

Meanwhile, it doesn't matter who runs as GOP nominee if Congress does not repeal ObamaCare as they promised again and again to do, and was, next to the Supreme Court, probably the issue that got the Republicans elected. If they do not repeal ObamaCare, they are all toast in 2020 -- and quite possibly the party dissolved because no one will ever trust them again (and frankly, we don't trust them now).

vicari valdez said...

trump is the oldest person ever elected president, but these people who are younger than him are too old to run against him?

West Texas Intermediate Crude said...

Not Franken- he's a Jew
Too much anti-Semitism in the "community of color" to maintain the 90% needed to win, along with the high turnout.
Maybe VP to Lizzie. An all-minority ticket.

SockPuppet#55 said...

"Meanwhile, it doesn't matter who runs as GOP nominee if Congress does not repeal ObamaCare as they promised again and again to do, and was, next to the Supreme Court, probably the issue that got the Republicans elected. If they do not repeal ObamaCare, they are all toast in 2020 -- and quite possibly the party dissolved because no one will ever trust them again (and frankly, we don't trust them now)."

Congress won't be repealing Obamacare. Now they are calling it the "repair". Nor will the Iran Nuclear deal be rescinded. Nor will Trump get that Wall built. Nor will Trump stand up to the Chinese, he already agreed to honor the One China Policy. Nor will he put the US Embassy in Jerusalem. The only thing Trump will follow through on is to remove all the sanctions on the Russians. Trump won't make it to 2020.

Ken B said...

I am pre-missing those 20/20 jokes -- those "lovely" jokes. If you like your optometrist you can keep your optometrist.

Bay Area Guy said...

Too early to speculate.

In fact, until Trump gets two SCOTUS picks confirmed, and the border reasonably secured from illegals, I refuse to even entertain 2020.

readering said...

The key to reelection for Trump is avoiding a primary challenger. Looking back as far back as 1944, incumbents with primary challengers either decided not to run (Truman, Johnson '68) or lost in the general election (Ford, Carter, GHW). The rest, who didn't face a primary challenger. won (Roosevelt, Truman '48, Eisenhower, Johnson '64, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton, GW, Obama). No exceptions. The other key, of course, is living (Roosevelt, Kennedy).

The Vault Dweller said...

I feel like this is bait for Elizabeth Warren. I think Trump wants to bait her and other Dems to talking about these comments. Going after Trump for Calling Elizabeth Warren too old, especially because Trump is older than her, might seem good to the Dem Strategists and maybe even the true believer dems, but I'm guessing it doesn't play well overall. Because then people are still talking about how old she is.

I don't think Elizabeth Warren is too old, or will be too old to run for president in 3 years, but if you are talking about it someone people might start thinking she is, and getting in the vein of Scott Adams, many might start subconsciously feeling she is.

Ken B said...

Roy Lofquist: you had to go down that road? Who can compete? Well, I'm licked.

Big Mike said...

In 1988 no one would have predicted that in four years George H. W. Bush would face the governor of a small, and generally poorly-governed state. Add in that the man had a roving eye and a harridan for a wife (it has not escaped my notice that the two could potentially be related) and the chances that we'd be saying "President Clinton" would have been astronomically against. Yet it happened.

St. George said...

Springsteen.

He's got the name recognition. He's got the street cred. He's in great shape. He's got his own money. He's charismatic. He's articulate. He appeals to the white working class voter in the midwest.

He is 67.

He was born to...

Big Mike said...

Franken could win Minnesota's electoral votes. Mondale did too.

By late October 1984 Mondale was having to campaign hard in his home state to avoid a 50 state sweep. So there's that.

eric said...

two sources close to the administration said....

This doesn't work anymore. We've heard too many fake news stories started by sources. Name the source, or don't report it. Because otherwise it's just gossip.

Rob said...

Chickelit said, "While Hillary owes her political fortune to signing a marriage license, Warren launched hers from Harvard -- a position she got by ticking a box."

Very much like Huma Abedin. Oh, you said ticking a box.

Lem said...
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Jersey Fled said...

I predict it will be a black lesbian with a Spanish surname.

JPS said...

Egad, I can't stand these people. I don't mean just the Trump people, I mean everyone who's OK with the permanent campaign.

How about you govern, and succeed, and enact policies that leave the country better off? Do those things, you want reelection in 2020 you'll probably have it. You don't, it won't matter a damn what strategizing you do in the meantime.

gadfly said...

Like Barry before him, Donald knows nothing about governing, but thinks he has discovered the magic elixir for staying in power. Unlike Prez Zero, however, Duh-Duh-Duh Donald has this problem with a deepening mental sickness wherein his adoring fans are driving his weakened brain toward escapism. He will soon round Cape Malea and reach the land of the lotus-eaters.

Birkel said...

@ gadfly

You and Chuck should have a conversation. Together you could really hash out the exact dislike you have for President Trump.

Captain Drano said...

Kamala Harris

Drago said...

gadfly: "Like Barry before him, Donald knows nothing about governing, but thinks he has discovered the magic elixir for staying in power."

Without gadfly and "lifelong republican" Chuck I would have no idea what DJT is actually thinking. I'm most impressed by the "psychic connection from a distance".

Clyde said...

Elizabeth Warren would be 71 on Election Day 2020, a full year older than Donald Trump is now, and two years older than Hillary Clinton was on last Election Day. I don't know if Granny Warren would do a better job than Clinton did of keeping up with Trump's breakneck campaigning pace. Trump was the hare to Clinton's tortoise, and pace Aesop, the tortoise doesn't usually win.

chickelit said...

Kamala Harris

Only if we dump the Electoral College. By the way, how is that particular "amend the Constitution" movement going these days? We we need some fake news on this point!

AprilApple said...

Purge illegals from the voters roles. D's never win again.

gadfly said...

@Birkel said...
@ gadfly

You and Chuck should have a conversation. Together you could really hash out the exact dislike you have for President Trump.


Dislike is probably the wrong word - "distrust" works for me, along with "disingenuous" and "disgusting."

What say you, Chuck?

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Alcibiades said...

Kirsten Gillibrand is too much of a nothing. She has no charisma, no smarts, etc. She's not in the same class as Elizabeth Warren, who at least to some extent is articulate.

Lem said...

"I'm pre-banning them."

I was beaten onece because someone thought I was a 20/20 joke.

People around me simply watched.

If you are silent and watching now, your lack of humanity disgusts me.




Birkel said...

@ gadfly

That 'probably' is doing a bit too much work for any one word.

Gojuplye said...

I would like to see Mattis run. Wha better slogan than Maddog 2020?

gadfly said...

@Drago said...

Without gadfly and "lifelong republican" Chuck I would have no idea what DJT is actually thinking. I'm most impressed by the "psychic connection from a distance."

Spoken like a consumer of the lotus flower. Here is a hint as to what DJT thinks.

jdniner said...

If they are over 35 they can win. I think it is hubris to filter on age. Bad political karma results. Trump was filtered out by every analysis but he won because he had better vision and could communicate in a way people would vote.

jdniner said...

I say they run a popular woman who gets things done. Some slogan like " I'm qualified and it's time to be greater." We should wonder at the timing of the Althouse retirement? no?

exiledonmainstreet said...

Trump needs to stop thinking about 2020 and focus on 2017. Things will happen between now and then that nobody can foresee - well actually, that's not completely accurate.
For instance, there will be terrorist attacks in our country, and it's entirely possible that the terrorists will be people the left is clamoring to let in right now.

Fabi said...

Oprah

The Cracker Emcee said...

"Very much like Huma Abedin. Oh, you said ticking a box"

Very well done.

gadfly said...

Blogger Birkel said...

That 'probably' is doing a bit too much work for any one word

From dictionary.com:

prob·a·bly
/präbəblē,ˈpräblē/
adverb
almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.



chuck said...

I have perfect 20/16 vision, It improved greatly after the election...

n.n said...

Quotes that do not quote.

Trump is more likely trying to determine who is running against him now. The special and peculiar interests of left, right, and center, foreign and domestic.

Zimri said...

A 17 year window between "uncomfortably young" and "uncomfortably old" seems reasonable for Presidential contenders, and yes I agree on 50-67. Obama was a little younger. Reagan was a little older.

Gillibrand has been a Senatorial nonentity and I can see her campaign's persecution of D'Souza counting against her as well. Warren won't play well outside the northeast.

I worry about Hickenlooper. In Colorado he is very good at pretending to be the business-friendly moderate, with the Reasonable Gun Control (or is it Gun Safety now?) and with Our Values, all that treacly pablum that the nice white people like.

Michael K said...

"I also predict Trump will stand aside and let Pence run in 2020."

I would not rule it out. He has proved what he set out to prove.

I also think he will be successful. But he may be aware of the second term curse that hit Reagan and Clinton,

The Democrats are too stupid to see their proper course, which is to tack back to the center,

Snark said...

[Pounds gavel] All in favour of pre-banning bad 2020 jokes say eye.

Static Ping said...
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Static Ping said...

It is generally a bad idea to nominate a senator. I'm not saying they can't win - after this election I'm not saying that anyone can't win - but it is generally a bad idea.

Gillibrand is a nondescript nobody that got to the senate because when Hillary became Sec of State they wanted another woman, they wanted someone who wasn't an airhead like Caroline Kennedy, and they wanted someone not under pending indictment. This being New York, that last part is key. Also, she was nominated to the position by Governor Paterson, who was doing his best to be despised by all political players in the state. I remember one of her ads that she felt necessary despite the election being a foregone conclusion where she basically said that if women were in charge there would not be any problems. For some reason I don't think that is going to resonate with Trump voters. She's also a phony; she went from gun rights advocate to anti-gunner in the time she got the nod. She may not be too young to run, but her accomplishments are nil. Of course, that's what the Democrats tend to nominate so, sure, why not.

robother said...

67 is, like, a hundred in Cherokee years.

wild chicken said...

I figured Andrew Cuomo was all queued up to run next time.

Now we know a New Yorker has a chance anyway.

The Drill SGT said...

Hillary 2020

Darrell said...

Bullshit article. Trump is not spending any time on 2020.

Darrell said...

Hillary has that $million plus CGI of a glass ceiling breaking and several million dollars worth of celebratory fireworks. The Dems can't pick anyone else. Hillary has already started her "waiting in the wings" campaign.

AReasonableMan said...

This entire discussion assumes that Trump has not self-destructed over the prior four years. I would suggest that this is not a given.

Drago said...

AReasonableMan: "This entire discussion assumes that Trump has not self-destructed over the prior four years. I would suggest that this is not a given"

Prognosticator heal thyself.

SockPuppet#55 said...

"This entire discussion assumes that Trump has not self-destructed over the prior four years. I would suggest that this is not a given."

Chances are he won't last for even an entire year. Lots of investigations are in progress.

stever said...

"This entire discussion assumes that Trump has not self-destructed over the prior four years. I would suggest that this is not a given."

Said about every president, ever.

Saint Croix said...

The White House believes both Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren are “too old” to mount a serious campaign three years from now, sources said....

“Elizabeth Warren is 100 years old....” the second source said.... She's 67.


They want her to run. They are trying to make her run by saying she won't run. And they're trying to make her mad. It's not ageism (Trump is 70) but the implicit sexism. They are attacking her personally, as a woman.

It's reverse psychology. They hope and pray she's the candidate.

I think Warren would be a spectacularly bad candidate. But I thought the same thing about Bernie and Donnie. What do I know!

Anyway, it's a pointless and stupid thing to worry about. It's a re-election campaign. People always vote on the performance of the candidate.

Good economy? Trump wins.

Bad economy? Trump loses.

The only reason to even think about re-election now is because you are worried that Trump is going to be stymied and do badly as a president. Good economy, it's a cake walk. Bad economy? He's in for a fight, regardless of the candidate.

Bannon is trying to activate Warren and get her fighting mad.

But why worry about it unless the economy is an issue?

Ergo, Trump is worried about his ability to do this job. That's why he's already thinking about the next campaign.

p.s. Trump is a very negative and critical thinker. "Prepare for the worst, hope for the best." Probably a better assessment is that he has no idea what the next four years will bring. But he's prepping for bad times ahead.

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

Presumably the DJT folks have extra time on their hands since running the gov is going perfectly and doesn't require attention.

So, what about Kim Guilfoyle's ex? Sure, a CA lib is a stretch on paper. But, the same goes for an NY lib, and yet not only did he win, he did it as an R.

SockPuppet#55 said...

"This entire discussion assumes that Trump has not self-destructed over the prior four years. I would suggest that this is not a given."

"Said about every president, ever."

No. Wrong.

"WASHINGTON
The FBI and five other law enforcement and intelligence agencies have collaborated for months in an investigation into Russian attempts to influence the November election, including whether money from the Kremlin covertly aided President-elect Donald Trump, two people familiar with the matter said.

The agencies involved in the inquiry are the FBI, the CIA, the National Security Agency, the Justice Department, the Treasury Department’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network and representatives of the director of national intelligence, the sources said.


Investigators are examining how money may have moved from the Kremlin to covertly help Trump win, the two sources said. One of the allegations involves whether a system for routinely paying thousands of Russian-American pensioners may have been used to pay some email hackers in the United States or to supply money to intermediaries who would then pay the hackers, the two sources said."

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article127231799.html#storylink=cpy

SockPuppet#55 said...

"But he's prepping for bad times ahead."

As he well should be.

Fabi said...

"Sources said" -- drink!

Francisco D said...

Do we have new trolls or have they just changed names?

IOW, does Inga still live on this site?

Autocorrect for trolls is "tools".

Sebastian said...

Sorry, people. It's gonna be Oprah. Nothing the Donald can do about it. Nothing Dem midgets can do about it. Job #1 for the GOP is to hold on to the House and Senate.

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

"This entire discussion assumes that Trump has not self-destructed over the prior four years. I would suggest that this is not a given."

Or, it assumes that that is exactly what will happen. In fact the DJT folks may be expecting it to happen. Therefore, it makes sense to start some FBI investigations or use other arms of the government to knock out the competition.

DJT correctly states that he's smart to use every advantage the of the government that is accessible to him. That used to mean his not paying taxes because he lost other people's money that was lent to him. Now, he'd be smart to use the gov to go after his potential adversaries. Not just lib pols should consider this, e.g. Paul/Mitch/media/etc.

Fabi said...

@Sebastion -- I threw out her name at 5:28 and got no response. She'd take the Democrat primary in a cake walk.

Sebastian said...

"@Sebastian -- I threw out her name at 5:28 and got no response. She'd take the Democrat primary in a cake walk." Now wait a minute, Fabi baby, yours truly claimed this one months ago. Let's not get into a priority dispute here. If you got a better theory of gravity, or a better proof of Fermat's last theorem, let's have it.

stever said...

Sock Puppet


"No. Wrong."

There's a high degree of wishful thinking going on. By the same people who very counting on Hillary. Stories are easy to find.

SockPuppet#55 said...

I think this is pretty interesting.

http://www.redstate.com/patterico/2017/02/11/law-force-trumps-tax-returns-made-public/

"A New Jersey congressman says a rarely invoked 1924 law could be used to examine President Donald Trump’s tax returns for possible conflicts of interest and Constitutional violations.

Rep. Bill Pascrell, a Democrat who serves on the Ways and Means Committee, has asked the committee’s chairman, Rep. Kevin Brady of Texas, to order the Treasury Department to provide tax returns to the committee. Brady’s office did not respond to a request for comment Friday.

After privately examining returns — Pascrell is seeking 10 years’ worth — the committee could decide to share them with the full House, which would in effect make them public. The 1924 law gives congressional committees that set tax policy the power to examine tax returns. It was used in 1974 when Congress looked at President Richard Nixon’s returns, and in 2014 when the Ways and Means Committee released confidential tax information as part of its investigation into the Internal Revenue Service’s handling of applications for nonprofit status."

SockPuppet#55 said...

Time will tell stever.

James Kahn said...

"two sources close to the administration said...."

It's gotten so I no longer believe anything with unnamed sources, especially if it is damaging to Trump. It's not to reflexively defend Trump, just that the media has lost all credibility on anything related to Trump.

In case no one has linked it before, I highly recommend this video of Newsweek's Michael Wolff discussing how his industry has self-immolated.

Dave in Tucson said...

> [Elizabeth Warren is] 67.

Which means she'll be 71 at the 2020 inauguration, fully a year older than Trump is now, and two years older than HRC is now. That's not deal-breakingly old (IMO), but I would think the Democrats might check the field for someone at least a little younger.

> 50 is too young

Maybe this is an under-the-radar way of calling attention to Gillibrand's thin resume? She's been the junior Senator from New York since HRC left, which means among other things, she's never faced a truly competitive election at this level in her career.

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Fabi said...

I'll rephrase that, Sebastian -- I was surprised that there was no response to my earlier comment, of which the time stamp was noted. I yield all Oprah supremacy claims to you without condition!

Sebastian said...

"I yield all Oprah supremacy claims to you without condition!" That's more like it. Thank you.

Jon Ericson said...

Photo of the three SockPuppet sisters

traditionalguy said...

The prognosticators tonight are rating 2020's race as if Trump is another GOP milk toast.

He seriously needs to be seen as an FDR running for re-election. His deal with his base has been sealed beyond all recognition in Deplorable hearts and minds. I doubt the DhimmiCrats even bother running a Candidate against DJT in 2020.

Achilles said...

SockPuppet#55 said...
I think this is pretty interesting.

A lot of idiots would think it is interesting. Redstate is a joke website now. A bunch of GOPe open borders cronies and neocons who have even less power than democrats. You will probably get all of them to vote for you soon as we mock them just like we mock you.

Democrats will be lucky to have 40 senators after 2018. After Sessions goes through the voter rolls and eliminates the illegal voters from most of the states democrats will never be competitive in their current form. Have fun winning California, New York, and Illinois by 100 million votes. Keep shuffling illegals to the polls in your deep blue states. It will never win a national election. 30 red states = 60 senators and 300+ electoral votes for the foreseeable future.

I think you should have a pussy hat march every month too. Break a window in every urban starbucks. Show the country you mean business! BLM too. Shoot a few more cops. Keep talking about how awesome sharia law is and trying to import people who believe in sharia law.

We need the left to be a reasonable opposition party. The democrats are not that right now.

Achilles said...

"two sources close to the administration said...."

If you have any critical thinking ability this should immediately tell you it is bullshit. But sock puppets eat that kind of shit up. Idiocy is like mana to them.

Jack Wayne said...

This is off topic but it is about Trump and elections and stuff. And I think it's truly funny unlike SNL.

Emo trump

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Mr Wibble said...

We'll see how the Dems do in 2018. If they can survive then perhaps someone currently in a leadership role. If they take a beating and 2020 looks to be a lost cause, they may try to find someone with little to lose from a failed run.

My dark horse candidate is Tulsi Gabbard. Young, attractive, military, anti-TPP, and a minority woman. She'd play well with the Midwest and blue-collar dems without alienating a lot of the far left identity groups. And if she loses she's still young enough to have a future in the party.

Sam's Hideout said...

There have been 9 Presidents under 50: James Polk (49), James Garfield (49), Franklin Pierce (48), Grover Cleveland (47), Barack Obama (47), Ulysses S. Grant (46), William Jefferson Clinton (46), John F. Kennedy (43), and Theodore Rooselvelt (42).

20% of US Presidents were under 50, so I disagree with the leaker (assuming it really is a leak). The Constitution sets the minimum age at 35.

The life expectancy of someone born in the second half of the eighteenth century (1750-1800) was 36.

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

BTW, Althouse should write some long screed re why reading the thing about eyeing opponents was changed to "trying to figure out."

"Trying to figure out" is essentially the same as "Finding your way out of a paper bag."

This choice to disparage DJT is clearly liberal bias and Fake news. Saying "Figuring out" OR "Trying to determine" would have been truthful representations of "eying."

Using both "trying" and "figuring" at the same time is lib bias fakery.

Shame on Althouse.






Carry on.

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

"We'll see how the Dems do in 2018. If they can survive then perhaps someone currently in a leadership role. If they take a beating and 2020 looks to be a lost cause, they may try to find someone with little to lose from a failed run."


Hopefully, Ds continue to loose. That way the job creators will be freed from taxes and regulations so that they can trickle down on normal, real Americans. And, gals won't be able to murder their children.

MAGA.


Carry on.

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

loose = lose

Kirby Olson said...

Fauxcahontas on the warpath trying to scalp Trump! She would lose worse than Mondale or Dukakis.

For the Dems, it's just a question of who the inner party wants - the superdelegates and the DNC chair. Bernie proved that.😃

Birkel said...

Life expectancy for those who lived to give is a better measure.

Gospace said...

Without reading any of the comments ahead of this, my thoughts are that the junior senator from NY is setting herself up for the run by her NO votes. Particularly being the only NO vote against General Mattis. That makes her stand out from the crowd, and is particularly appealing to the far left, AKA the Democrat primary voting base.

Birkel said...

five

chickelit said...

Democrats have no vision for 2020, let alone a speculative candidate.

Achilles said...

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

Hopefully, Ds continue to loose. That way the job creators will be freed from taxes and regulations so that they can trickle down on normal, real Americans.

As opposed to trickle down government. Obama was the first president to not have a single year of 3% or more growth despite printing and borrowing over 10% of our GDP.

As you say though, carry on...

JPS said...

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson:

"That way the job creators will be freed from taxes and regulations so that they can trickle down on normal, real Americans."

Wow. You really have perfect pitch for your adversaries, don't you?

A tip for future reference: Only liberals use the phrase "trickle down." It is a straw man invented and loved by people who oppose free markets, never used by supporters. Kind of a tell.

chickelit said...

Doesn't matter through which lens you see the 2020 election, a correction is in order for the Dems. It would be shortsighted of them to run Clinton again. The optics are all wrong.

Gospace said...

SockPuppet#55 said...
"This entire discussion assumes that Trump has not self-destructed over the prior four years. I would suggest that this is not a given."

Chances are he won't last for even an entire year. Lots of investigations are in progress.


Yes, there are a lot of investigations in progress. And every supermarket shopper in the Unites States will have this weeks Globe magazine staring them in the face reminding them of it. True or not true, that front cover sure is eye catching, isn't it?

Nobody outside the people who've seen it really knows what is on Weiner's computer, but there sure have been juicy rumors. And the alt-right sites are continuing to insist there really is a there there in Pizzagate.

And I love Maxine Waters declaring that we have to have an investigation to uncover impeachable offenses against a POTUS who's been in office less then 2 months. Not that there is any evidence, but we have to have an investigation to find evidence. That plays well with Trump's base. Which, BTW, I'm not one of. I voted for him because I opposed the other major candidate. Not that my vote in NY really meant anything. Well, it did for congresscritter.

chickelit said...

There's always room for Jelly...

Jon Ericson said...

Ah, good, the comedians are back online.

Jon Ericson said...

Tell us another one.

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

"Only liberals use the phrase "trickle down.""

My bad, just take that part out. How about:

"That way the job creators will be freed from taxes and regulations, therefore normal, real Americans will benefit because the federal gov will have bigger deficits and the job creators will have more dough with fewer restraints re the environment and worker rights/safety/benefits.

Got it.




Ach,

It's cool if you're in favor of the job creator tax and regulation cuts. Like you, I'm sure that will lower the deficit and make life better for normal folks. If, by some fluke, it doesn't work out this way for normal folks: F those losers who are normal in this country. If they worked harder and/or were smarter, they'd be a job creator.

And, re the deficit, the Laffer Curve got one thing wrong, there's never a tax rate that is so low that it doesn't result in increasing tax collection, as long as we're talking about taxes on the job creators.




Carry on.

Michael K said...

I see lots of troll feeding. Goodnight.

Jon Ericson said...

OTOH she's been at it since 9am, so it's either beddy-bye or crack open another box of whine.

Jon Ericson said...

'Night Michael.

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

Now that he's gone, we can mock the sorta folks who make comments about not making comments.

And its a twofer, we can mock the folks who absurdly perceive that there's an audience waiting to hear their announced adieu.

Old people are funny.

Jon Ericson said...

Nope, it seems she dropped out.

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

BTW golden agers (everyone in theses threads?),

I have a 1935 Packard.

See, I can relate.

Some day my cock's likely to get limp, then, I'm assuming, it'll be easier to relate to y'all.

P.S., I'd be pissed if someone pissed on my lawn.

OTOH, the nitrogen may be a good fertilizer.

I dunno.


Jon Ericson said...

Typing in 11 hours of talking points must be hard on her love life.
But she has a calling.

chickelit said...

Human urine has nearly the perfect NPK balance for lawns. Problem is, most people don't produce nearly enough of it.

Jon Ericson said...

Whiskers on hardwood.

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

These comments here are trollish and way below my stature, my stature is bigly.

I must now retire for the evening so that I can get the early worm.

bgates said...

F those losers who are normal in this country

The 21st century Democratic party platform in one sentence. Good for billionaires from Silicon Valley, Hollywood, and Wall Street (plus the humble public service centimillionaires like the Clintons and Al Gore), Black Lives Matter rioters and black bloc rioters, men who want to use women's restrooms, foreigners who want to vote in American elections, anyone who pretends to be black in order to get paid better for alleging America is a white supremacist society, the hundreds of bureaucrats making six figure salaries at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau....

Not so good for the rest of us.

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0AGiq9j_Ak

Gretchen said...

Corruption probes aren't important if you are a democrat. Being old and out of touch don't matter if you are a Democrat.

I think the left's constant whining is catching up with them. The day before the election my center-left brother commented that the Republicans had a challenge and really needed to figure their stuff out because they were going to be obliterated after the election. He wasn't too happy on Wednesday when I texted him suggesting that he shouldn't believe the media, and that the Dems were roundly rejected. Tonight he commented that he was sick of everything being polarized politically and that both sides need to listen, especially the side that lost. Hmmmmm....

Jon Ericson said...

piss on it

bgates said...

Now that he's gone, we can mock the sorta folks who make comments about not making comments.

lol right? That ritmo, what an asshole.

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

"Not so good for the rest of us."

Tax and regulation cuts for the job creators will fix it for y'all.

MAGA.

bgates said...

Some day my cock's likely to get limp

I'll put you down as expecting Warren, then.

Gahrie said...

Gavin Newsome and/or Kamala Harris

Left Bank of the Charles said...

I predict Elizabeth Warren will persist.

cornroaster said...

SockPuppet#55 said...
"This entire discussion assumes that Trump has not self-destructed over the prior four years. I would suggest that this is not a given."

Chances are he won't last for even an entire year. Lots of investigations are in progress.

It sounds like Garage Mahal is back, claiming Gov. Walker is going to be indicted any day now. I'm still waiting.

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

What are the odds that Meade has a hidden (from Altspouse) list of requirements for the relo?

I can think of at least one thing he'd be into. That dude seems like the type who'd like to trickle down. The poor guy's been under the microscope in that Madison yard.

chickelit said...

Gavin Newsome and/or Kamala Harris

2020 -- the year America goes full California. Because that was Clinton's problem -- she couldn't swing California.

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

Porcelan is for pussies and assholes.




Carry on.

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

porcelain

chickelit said...

Left Bank of the Charles said...
I predict Elizabeth Warren will persist.

I hope so. It's her turn.

chickelit said...

I can think of at least one thing he'd be into. That dude seems like the type who'd like to trickle down. The poor guy's been under the microscope in that Madison yard.

Althouse should do a "then and now" photo comparison of what Meade has done to that lawn. I think it's remarkable.

chickelit said...

I hope so. It's her turn.

If any upstarts get in her way, the DNCe can undermine them and mow them down.

exiledonmainstreet said...

"Hopefully, Ds continue to loose. That way the job creators will be freed from taxes and regulations so that they can trickle down on normal, real Americans."

PB's bullshit line about how the superrich are really, really happy that Trump won so they can continue to shit on ordinary people is getting really old and stale and transparent.

Silicon Valley wanted Hill to win. The crony capitalists wanted Hill to win. Trust fund babies with more money than sense wanted Hill to win.

It's cute to see a lib like PB pretend that he's just delighted by a Trump win - but it's getting boring.

chickelit said...

When the DNCe wrote off the entire Midwest and South, they didn't think it would become a problem.

Jon Ericson said...

Moby Dick-head.

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

Right exile,

W/ the tax cuts focused on the job creators (e.g. the death tax), those job creators are in big trouble, financially.

Obviously, job creators who didn't vote for DJT were expecting bigger job creator tax and regulation cuts from HRC because that's what motivated them.

You're too smart for me.




Carry on.

exiledonmainstreet said...

2020 -- the year America goes full California."

Yep. Let's go with this. Middle America is delighted when a California congressman says half his family is here illegally and defends using identity theft. They really like the idea that Mexicans can get away with doing stuff that would put them behind bars.

It' a winner, Dems, you run with that!

chickelit said...

porcelain: According to an old theory, the connection of the shell and the pig is a perceived resemblance of the shell opening to the exposed outer genitalia of pigs. link

Words mean the darndest things. But it fits with Jelly's theory (10:41 PM)

William said...

If Franken became the candidate, shouldn't SNL in all decency recuse themselves from any election parodies?........Political vision is only 20/20 in hindsight. The proper time to comment on the ideal Democratic candidate is 2024.......Gilliband has a top notch plastic surgeon. Her appearance underwent a dramatic and sudden improvement. I'm not saying this as a knock on her. It shows good judgment on her part. I could name some other politicians who have done far worse in that department.

exiledonmainstreet said...

chickelit said...
When the DNCe wrote off the entire Midwest and South, they didn't think it would become a problem."

Yep. Balkanizing the country was a real smart move. Nevermind that the single biggest ethnic group in the country is still - white people.

Remember the great website "Things White People Like" which was really about about the tastes of upper middle class liberal white people? You know, the white people who matter. The important white people. Who were, however, outnumbered in key states by the deplorable white people and were unable to drag Hillary's tired old ass across the finish line.

As much as it galls PB, the truth is the vote of a blue collar dude in Michigan who makes $40,000 a year counts as much as his vote. In fact, it counts more, because blue collar dude is in a swing state and PB is not.

Jon Ericson said...

Pee-Wee's iPad

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

BTW speaking of porcelain,

Obviously normal folks of today won't be Rousseaued, i.e. cake ain't enough.

And, many of these folks already have cars/houses/AC and so on. But, the real reason they shouldn't make a fuss as they slip further behind the job creators is ubiquity of soft close lids on the crapper.

Sure, job creators know that hands free shitters are better. But, re normal folks: "Let them dump cake in soft close seats."

Jon Ericson said...

Just napping.

chickelit said...

@Jelly: Thanks for the non sequiturd

Jon Ericson said...

Booker-Harris 2020.

exiledonmainstreet said...

PB: drinking tonight, I see.

wildswan said...

"Full California" - you mean the Oroville dam has broken?

chickelit said...

Kamala Harris: "We're going to build a person-of-color paradise out here so great that all of America will want to emulate it. Buh-bye Bleach Boys."

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

I'd be shocked if DJT didn't have hands free shitters in his homes.

Maybe that's why he leaves the government housing that came w/ his new gig.

Also, it's inconceivable that he's not used to his and hers bathrooms. Maybe the WH doesn't have these. Fortunately Melania had Baron as a face saving excuse for not moving into such squalor.

SukieTawdry said...

bgates said...Some day my cock's likely to get limp

I'll put you down as expecting Warren, then.


She makes my cock limp and I don't even have one.

I'd like to make it through the immediate four years before I start worrying about the next.

Chuck said...

Here are some other possible threats to Trump in 2020:

Tom Cotton
Ben Sasse
Paul Ryan
Susana Martinez
Rob Portman

Just sayin'.

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

DJT probably has three requirements for his wives:

1) Be hot.

2) Satisfy the cock

3) Have a bowel w/o any trace of movements.

exiledonmainstreet said...

I'd like to make it through the immediate four years before I start worrying about the next.

2/12/17, 11:27 PM

Exactly! Everyone thought in 2004 that Hillary would be a shoo-in in '08. They thought she would win in '16. Everyone thought the Falcons had it in the bag at the start of the 4th quarter. And they're telling us now who the candidate will be in 2020? I'm supposed to start thinking about GOPe challengers?

It looks like nobody has gained one friggin' ounce of humility from the November results.

Jon Ericson said...

Mushrooms, I'm thinking mushrooms.

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

I should have included trickling down w/ item number three in the list above. Even w/o the denials of the Buzzfeed dossier, the dude seems to not be into that sorta thing from the women he hires for sex.

Joe said...

Don't count out someone to run a Sanders/Trump-like "rogue" campaign from the right wing of the Democrat party.

chickelit said...

Joe said...Don't count out someone to run a Sanders/Trump-like "rogue" campaign from the right wing of the Democrat party.

The D-party has a right wing? Who? Jim Webb was permanently banished when he gave the "wrong" answer to the question "Black Lives Matter Or All Lives Matter?"

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

I don't piss, I don't shit, I'm gettin' no relief
People shake their heads in disbelief, go!

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IIkZS_06Nw

exiledonmainstreet said...

Blogger Joe said...
Don't count out someone to run a Sanders/Trump-like "rogue" campaign from the right wing of the Democrat party."

Tim Ryan is the closest thing to "the right wing" the Dem party has, a guy who is immensely popular in his own district, which voted for Trump. Pelosi kept her job instead.

You think the Dem base is going to let any "right wing Dem" get close to the nomination? Maybe they'll learn something in a space of a few years but right now they're doubling down on stupid.

chickelit said...

As far as satirical punk bands, the Dead Milkmen had nothing on the Dead Kennedys. The DKs even significantly antedated the Milkmen who were arguably derivative: California Ueber Alles.

There's always room for Jello (Biafra)

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

Chick,

That's apples and oranges.

But speaking of the trickle down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlwY6Is7Y4o

Jon Ericson said...

Peyote buttons! by Jove that's it!

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

So eager to please
Peer pressure decrees
So eager to please
Peer pressure decrees
Make the same old mistakes
Again and again,
Chickelit conformist
Like your parents

chickelit said...

@Jelly: Kinky Sex Makes The World Go 'Round

Perennial

chickelit said...

@Jelly, what's that doggerel?

Jon Ericson said...

Maybe a nurse friend.
Especially in a hospice.
Easy to hold out on "disrespectful" folks.
Still moaning?
Heh, up the dose, Doc.

Jon Ericson said...

I'ma lease a audi!

Achilles said...

Chuck said...
Here are some other possible threats to Trump in 2020:

Tom Cotton
Ben Sasse
Paul Ryan
Susana Martinez
Rob Portman

Just sayin'.


So we can go back to republicans that cower, piss their pants, and pass democrat budgets while telling us we really need to make nice with illegal immigrants! Yeah! ... um no Chuck. They are all losers who want to lose. Not a chance in hell we are going back to the McCain/Romney days of the GOPe when it served the oligarchs.

None of those people actually wanted to defeat Hillary. Just like you. We remember and that is why we kicked you out of power. You will never get it back.

Achilles said...

Look at PBJelly talking to himself pretending the wealthy elites didn't overwhelmingly support Hillary. All of those regulations and taxes he loves were written by those wealthy elites to hinder competition from innovators and disruptors.

PB just wants there to be serfs and aristocrats like before the US became a country. He wants the wealthy and the civil servant bureaucracy to create and manage a caste system that keeps poor people poor and wealthy people on top.

You can't actually discuss these issues intelligently. You can't discuss why General Electric not only doesn't pay taxes, but gets massive subsidies from the government. You can't discuss why those regulations and taxes fall hardest on the small businesses and never touch the wealthy connected. That is why you bore everyone with your blathering stupidity.

AllenS said...

It would be a good idea if Bernie Sanders ran again. Then, after he loses, he could buy another house. Which would give him four.

vicari valdez said...

exiledonmainstreet said...
chickelit said...
When the DNCe wrote off the entire Midwest and South, they didn't think it would become a problem."

Yep. Balkanizing the country was a real smart move. Nevermind that the single biggest ethnic group in the country is still - white people.

Remember the great website "Things White People Like" which was really about about the tastes of upper middle class liberal white people? You know, the white people who matter. The important white people. Who were, however, outnumbered in key states by the deplorable white people and were unable to drag Hillary's tired old ass across the finish line.

As much as it galls PB, the truth is the vote of a blue collar dude in Michigan who makes $40,000 a year counts as much as his vote. In fact, it counts more, because blue collar dude is in a swing state and PB is not.

2/12/17, 11:00 PM


i support the class warfare rhetoric of this post.

glenn said...

Kamala Harris. I've seen her up close. Chicks got great legs.

MadisonMan said...

sources close to the administration said

"Close" meaning they live in a flat that is near where one of the Secretaries lives.

exiledonmainstreet said...

i support the class warfare rhetoric of this post.

2/13/17, 6:03 AM

The Dems brought it entirely on themselves.

Paco Wové said...

"The D-party has a right wing? Who? Jim Webb..."

Webb? Did somebody say Jim Webb?

Former Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) on Sunday said the Democratic Party has moved "very far to the left" over the past five or six years.


Webb said the Democratic Party's message has "been shaped toward identity politics"
"And they've lost the key part of their base," he said.


Webb said the Democrats haven't done the kind of "self reflection" they needed starting in 2010.


"You've lost white working people. You've lost flyover land, and you saw in this election what happens when people get frustrated enough that they say, 'I'm not going to take this,'" he said.


"There is an aristocracy now that pervades American politics. It's got to be broken somehow in both parties, and I think that's what the Trump message was that echoed so strongly in these flyover communities."


Robert Cook said...

"She is worse that Hillary in one way: While Hillary owes her political fortune to signing a marriage license, Warren launched hers from Harvard -- a position she got by ticking a box."

Do you have proof Warren did not believe she had the blood of Indigenous Americans in her? Do you have proof she doesn't? More important, do you have proof she got her job at Harvard because of her ticking a box indicating her disputed heritage? (I have not read extensively on this matter, so perhaps there is a smoking gun or an admission by her that she lied. If so, I'd appreciate being directed to such information.)

I am disappointed in Warren's stumping for the corrupt, war-mongering, deep state-serving Hillary, but she is one of the few members of Congress visibly trying to compel the oligarchs to explain and justify their crimes against the American people. Until she gives me reason to utterly dismiss her, I will continue to admire her for her dedication to pinning down these parasitic scum in our financial system who are destroying the world.

AllenS said...

If my memory is correct, Mr Cook, the Cherokee Indians checked their census rolls and couldn't find any ancestors of Warren.

Humperdink said...

Robert Cooke said: "Do you have proof Warren did not believe she had the blood of Indigenous Americans in her?"

I believe, therefore I am. Case closed.

Leftie logic on display.

AllenS said...

You know, if Warren is/was so sure of her Indian heritage, should could take a DNA test. I've taken one. If I was running against Warren, I'd require that she take a DNA test to put the matter to rest.

AllenS said...

From CNN --

Harvard Law School in the 1990s touted Warren, then a professor in Cambridge, as being "Native American." They singled her out, Warren later acknowledged, because she had listed herself as a minority in an Association of American Law Schools directory. Critics note that she had not done that in her student applications and during her time as a teacher at the University of Texas.
Warren maintains she never furthered her career by using her heritage to gain advantage.

Brando said...

I see Warren as the Ted Cruz of her party--beloved by a segment of the base, toxic to the rest of the country, smart yet not likely to get any nomination. Maybe she'll run to get her "message" out more, but I don't think she'd expect to get the nomination.

My guess is they'll nominate someone none of us is even thinking about now.

And 2020 is way too far off to discuss now. The country could be very different then.

Brando said...

"Harvard Law School in the 1990s touted Warren, then a professor in Cambridge, as being "Native American.""

You're wasting your time. Anyone who likes Warren won't care about that, or even believe she was untruthful. That sort of thing only matters to those of us who already didn't like her.

MaxedOutMama said...

I don't think Warren is a good candidate, but her age is not really a factor. Look at this election!!!

I think Trump will be too old for a second term, so the real question will be about the GOP candidate.

And I don't care. I really don't. It's stupid to try to pick candidates this far in advance, and it's stupid to try to pick candidates from the top down. I agree with the first commenter - 2016 should have taught both parties a lesson, but apparently it's one that the political apparatchiks haven't learned. CAN they learn anything? Are they capable of incorporating new data into their mental map and modifying their behavior? Right now these people seem increasingly like HAL 9000 in "2001".

If Trump could, he should try to shut these people up and get the focus back on governance. But I doubt anyone can. Gosh, I despise them all. I don't see what purpose they serve.

AllenS said...

Schooling Mr Cook, is never a waste of time. Why, he's smarter now, then when he woke up this morning.

Darrell said...

Warren graduated Rutgers School of Law–Newark--ranked too low for Warren to even be considered for Harvard Law faculty without the Native American bump. Lefties know she's a lying piece of shit. That's why they defend her.

Karen of Texas said...

Brando, you're probably right about that.

Except I'll bet the Native American identity contingent still won't be happy about it. But they always seem to get short shrift in the political arena unless they can be used to stir the pot for one of the Left's sacred cows - like the DAPL.

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exiledonmainstreet said...
i support the class warfare rhetoric of this post.

2/13/17, 6:03 AM

The Dems brought it entirely on themselves.
2/13/17, 6:53 AM


totally agree. they should have actually been redistributing wealth instead of just talking about it.

tcrosse said...

Hillary's sense of personal entitlement has not expired, and the only cure for presidential ambition is embalming fluid. There are plenty of Dems who believe that she was the perfect candidate, and only lost due to Comey and Putin and that pesky old Electoral College. If she can convince the Big Money that she is still for sale, she might have a shot. Failing that, she probably still has the clout to suppress any Dem up-and-comers. She will still have the Pussy Hat Brigade, who will help her fight for the right of rich white women to fully participate in the oppression of the poor and powerless.

Curious George said...

AllenS said...
Schooling Mr Cook, is never a waste of time. Why, he's smarter now, then when he woke up this morning.


I appreciate your effort, but I doubt it.

JPS said...

Robert Cook,

You've had several responses but I wanted to address this:

"More important, do you have proof she got her job at Harvard because of her ticking a box indicating her disputed heritage?"

No, and I don't exactly believe that. I'd disagree with Darrell that she never would have been considered without it. She was already a law professor at a fine school. A senior hire, and a jump in prestige, depend much less on where your degree comes from than on scholarship in your earlier appointments, and hers was substantial.

However: Once she had reached the level of success where she was in the running for a Harvard professorship, would it have given her an edge over similarly qualified applicants if the committee read her application and noticed she belonged to a historically disadvantaged minority group? Would she have known it would?

I can't prove a thing, but she would have been extremely naive not to know. People who play the career game that well are not naive, and I don't believe Senator Warren is naive.

If you sincerely believed your grandmother's great-grandmother was of a historically persecuted minority group, would you check that box? Knowing the intent was to give a fair shake to people who have had a tougher climb due to the legacy of that persecution? I don't presume to know you, but I'm going to guess you wouldn't.

Michael K said...

" I've taken one. If I was running against Warren, I'd require that she take a DNA test to put the matter to rest."

I've taken one, too and I have 3% Neanderthal genes so I don't want to hear any more about this "Native American" crap>

Brando said...

"I don't think Warren is a good candidate, but her age is not really a factor. Look at this election!!!"

You're right about age not being a factor. Reagan broke that barrier, showing that if you come across youthful and healthy enough (and he was in solid shape at that point) no one will care.

"Except I'll bet the Native American identity contingent still won't be happy about it. But they always seem to get short shrift in the political arena unless they can be used to stir the pot for one of the Left's sacred cows - like the DAPL."

Politically speaking they tend to be outweighed by the large number of "oh I'm about one 64th Indian so don't call me white!" people you tend to find a lot in college.

My wife is actually part Cherokee (her father was born and raised on the reservation but could pass for white) and was pretty peeved by Warren's claims, which sort of disproves my theory, but I get the feeling that in actual voting politics will outweigh these things, as they usually do.

Would Cook change his mind if he genuinely agreed that Warren padded her racial background to advance her career?

Robert Cook said...

"Robert Cooke said: 'Do you have proof Warren did not believe she had the blood of Indigenous Americans in her?'

I believe, therefore I am. Case closed.

"Leftie logic on display."


No, she claimed, I believe, that it had been family lore that they had the blood of Indigenous Americans in their family line. Do you know this isn't true? If you had been told something about your family history while growing up, would you have decided to research it yourself to find out if it was true or not? I have marginal (or less) interest in my family ancestry--unlike my father, who spent decades looking into it--and I can certainly imagine accepting family stories about our heritage without bothering to look into any of them.

Now, if Warren completely lied and knew all along she had no native ancestry, that's extremely disappointing.

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