January 10, 2017

"Petition calls for Buck, Aikman to be removed from Packers game broadcasts."

"More than 4,000 people already signed the online petition.  One signature came as far at the Czech Republic."
"Yesterday was probably the worst announcing game that I had witnessed this season"...

"They definitely pick their favorites and it makes the game less enjoyable when you're sitting at home trying to watch it on TV... It kind of gets annoying cause it's like they're always bashing the Packers"....

120 comments:

David Begley said...

It used to be the case where one could turn down the TV sound and turn up the local radio broadcast but now the timing is off.

campy said...

When I watch sports I turn the sound off and listen to music .

Mike said...

It was actually pretty funny how much of a Homer Buck is for the Giants. Besides being smitten with how well Eli played in Green Bay a couple times, Buck started gushing about Giants dominance with 4 minutes left in the first quarter! It was kind of wonderful to see them building up such hope for *THEIR* team, noting how the "stats" really showed the Giants had such *CONTROL* over the game. The boys were giddy!

Of course the two tiny Giant field goals were soon eclipsed with one TD pass from Rogers. And from that point on the broadcast duo sounded a lot like MSNBC on election night. There was a brief flame of hope from Aikman when the Packers went for it on fourth down and -- could it be they would lose momentum by turning the ball over on downs? It could be... No, the Giants were never really in it again. So sad.

And then the dynastic duo started talking about Green Bay like they are a real threat in the off season. Amazing what three hours of cognitive dissonance will do to your sense of perspective.

Mike said...

I meant "threat in the post-season." Oops.

caplight45 said...

There is no love for Joe Buck in Kansas City after the 2015 World Series. His incessent praise of Giants pitcher Madison Bumgarner, even in games he wasn't pitching, was like one big sloppy wet kiss.

AllenS said...

TV announcers suck, especially Buck and Aikman. Yes, the timing is off listening to the radio and watching the TV with the sound off. You hear what happens before you see it on TV, but listening to the Packers announcers Wayne Larrivee and Larry McCarren is well worth it. In fact, it's nice to know what happens before you see it, because you can then look to see why the play developed the way it eventually did.

tim in vermont said...

If I were rooting for a franchise that has had two Hall of Fame QBs in a row, I can't figure out why I would care about the announcer.

Bill Harshaw said...

Seemed fair to me--7 yards in the first quarter. About 30 yards halfway into the second? The Pack stunk for 20 minutes, then were great for 40 minutes.

Curious George said...

Packer fans are delusional. Buck and Aikman gace three hours of verbal blowjobs to Rodgers and the gang.

exiledonmainstreet said...

AllenS: I do the same thing during Packer broadcasts.

Anybody who gets frustrated by Joe Buck (and that includes baseball as well as football fans) can always take comfort in this:

http://www.cleveland19.com/story/33631889/still-upset-about-joe-bucks-world-series-coverage-watch-him-get-hit-in-the-face-with-a-pizza

Tank said...

@Begley

I often watch football with the sound off, drives my kids crazy. If there's a penalty that is not immediately obvious, then I hit mute (unmute) to listen to the refs. I wouldn't say I know as much about the game as Aikman (that would be dumb), but I (usually) know as much about the game as they discuss on TV.

It's odd to see this complaint about Buck and Aikman. As a Giants fan, it seems like most Giants' games are done by B/A and they are against the G-Men, galling to have a former Cowboys' QB doing so many Giants games.

Curious George said...

I mean they still call Green Bay title town. Since the merging of the AFL-NFL the Packers have just two championships. That's in 46 years. Two teams are tied with two. And eight teams have won more. Sorry, you're not "titletown" when you are tied for ninth in titles won with two other teams.

Bob said...

Anyone remember when NBC aired a game with no announcers? I think it was around 1965 in response to complaints about how bad their game calling was.

AllenS said...

For those that don't listen to Wayne and Larry, Wayne has this little phrase that he uses when the Pack has put the game out of reach.

The dagger!

traditionalguy said...

New York audiences demand loyalty to the home teams, the Yankees and the Giants. They would get fired if they were ever fair and balanced.

Scott Adams would understand these two. Everything they see confirms their bias.Sometimes you think they were eating or looking away at the Cheerleaders and have had to guess what they just saw.

But remember the referees before instant replay.

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Farmer said...

How ridiculous. Those guys aren't biased in favor of any team. Giants fans think the same thing about Buck, by the way - he's always against them. Kooks.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Curious George, the Super Bowl trophy is called the Lombardi trophy. It is only right and natural when the Lombardi trophy returns home , although that doesn't happen as often as I would like. :)

mockturtle said...

The only sports announcers I like are Al Michaels and Mike Tirico.

Buck doesn't like the Seahawks, either. Never has. My mother has always watched sports with the sound off because she can't stand the commentary. The only reason I don't is that I'm usually multitasking and don't want to miss anything.

David said...

Interesting. I watched the game and thought they did a great job. Aikman especially. He's very good at explaining what the QB sees and how he reacts (or fails to react.)

CJinPA said...

I clicked on the story expecting to see at least one token example of anti-Packer bias. The evidence was as bare as a vast, frozen tundra.

Eagles fans are whiners too, but at least we save it for big losses, not playoff wins.

mockturtle said...

I've listened to baseball games in Spanish and find that it's just play-by-play by one announcer. No 'color commentary'. Nice!

Curious George said...

"Farmer said...
How ridiculous. Those guys aren't biased in favor of any team. Giants fans think the same thing about Buck, by the way - he's always against them. Kooks."

Yeah, Cub fans had he same beef in the World Series. That's likely a by-product of Bucks like association with the rival Cardinals.

Bob Ellison said...

Buck is not great. He affects a big-man voice that he can't quite reach.

But this problem happens in every sport, every time there are playoffs. You go from your "homer" local broadcaster to the national playoff talker, and suddenly you perceive bias against your local team. Buck has talked about that problem. It's a natural, unavoidable part of calling games in the playoffs.

I agree with David that Aikman is quite good at his current job. He was a darned good QB, too.

Curious George said...

"More than 4,000 people already signed the online petition."

I'll bet half of them are named "X"

AJ Lynch said...

I think they are both pretty good. FWIW, my favorite team is Al Michaels and Chris Collingsworth.

roesch/voltaire said...

I usually mute the sound as I tire of the same old narratives about whomever the focus is for that section of the game, and frankly don't usually pay attention until the second half-because games are so long with so many commercials. I was glad to be able to watch the Badger Basketball game instead for much of the time, even though it was a touch go for them.

Bob Ellison said...

That was a great game, by the way. Reggie Jackson called himself "Mr. October" with good reason. Aaron Rodgers should be called "Mr. Second Half".

traditionalguy said...

FTR: Southerners with Teams like Atlanta are used to this treatment from northern and midwestern cheerleaders posing as announcers. We would feel like we were the Winners in 65 if we got fair treatment.

We can't wait to hear this duo call the Jeff Sessions confirmation Hearings. Joe Buck's theme music will be "The Day They Drove Old Dixie Down" as they try again to kill the very best.

Mike said...

Farmer: How ridiculous. Those guys aren't biased in favor of any team. Giants fans think the same thing about Buck, by the way - he's always against them.

What is ridiculous is Buck saying the Giants are *dominating* only 10 minutes into a 60-minute game. Especially when the alleged "dominance" can be reversed with a 90-second drive and TD. Buck could have used any number of descriptors throughout the game but he tends toward hyperbole. He's not alone in being a NY homer, but it's undeniable to anyone listening.

As I said, I find it humorous more than irritating. I lived through the Lindy Infante years and remember being ridiculed for being a Packer fan (especially in SoCal). An example. As the teams lined up after a 2nd down play Buck went on and on about how NY is the best at stopping 3rd downs and how the Packers are so weak at 3rd down conversion. As usual he went on about it, barely wrapping up in time to let Troy slip in "First down Packers" before the next play started. I laughed out loud. This same vignette replayed many times over the next sweet three hours. Buck sounded like all the overconfident HRC supporters in November with the same level of self awareness afterward.

Note to Curios George: We don't elect presidents via popular vote and you don't get to reset the championship clock at the AFL-NFL merger. Just because so many other teams came late to the league does not supersede the ELEVEN CHAMPIONSHIPS the Packers have won. And besides, winning the NFC North just gave us another divisional title.

Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...

I actually think Aikman does a pretty good job. I don't always agree with his opinions but I like his broadcasting style. Obviously the Packers and Cowboys were major rivals during his playing days so it was no surprise he was biased against Green Bay early on in his TV career. However, he's really toned it down in recent years. Since then I've heard him say many good things about the city, team, and organization and I no longer get the sense that he's actively rooting against the Packers.

Buck is competent if not stellar. I don't really notice him that much. It must mean he's doing an OK job.

Bob Boyd said...

Just call them The Hole-In-The-Wall Gang

http://www.tmj4.com/sports/green-bay-packers/reese-giants-investigating-hole-in-wall-outside-locker-room

roadgeek said...

The announcing of the college championship game last night on ESPN Radio (we're cordcutters) was excellent.

Mike said...

Of course we now have 13 Championships. And they don't call it the Lombardy Trophy for nothin'.

Curious George said...

"Bob Ellison said...
But this problem happens in every sport, every time there are playoffs. You go from your "homer" local broadcaster to the national playoff talker, and suddenly you perceive bias against your local team. Buck has talked about that problem. It's a natural, unavoidable part of calling games in the playoffs."

That's a baseball issue for sure, but not an NFL issue. There is no local TV homer broadcast for NFL games in the regular season.

Comanche Voter said...

Leave the homers at home.

JAORE said...

Feh.... Packers. Feh, Giants.

You have never experienced homerism or the DEMAND to kneel before a team like you experience in Alabama and the Tide.

If a sports caster dares say the Tide has one of the best defenses he's ever seen he is assaulted verbally for the outrage of lukewarm devotion.

Ron Snyder said...

I would sign the petition as long as it also removed Buck from being involved in any golf announcing. Buck is a tedious, mouthy, loud, self-absorbed, classless punk.

Curious George said...

"Mike said...
Farmer: How ridiculous. Those guys aren't biased in favor of any team. Giants fans think the same thing about Buck, by the way - he's always against them.

What is ridiculous is Buck saying the Giants are *dominating* only 10 minutes into a 60-minute game. Especially when the alleged "dominance" can be reversed with a 90-second drive and TD. Buck could have used any number of descriptors throughout the game but he tends toward hyperbole. He's not alone in being a NY homer, but it's undeniable to anyone listening.

As I said, I find it humorous more than irritating. I lived through the Lindy Infante years and remember being ridiculed for being a Packer fan (especially in SoCal). An example. As the teams lined up after a 2nd down play Buck went on and on about how NY is the best at stopping 3rd downs and how the Packers are so weak at 3rd down conversion. As usual he went on about it, barely wrapping up in time to let Troy slip in "First down Packers" before the next play started. I laughed out loud. This same vignette replayed many times over the next sweet three hours. Buck sounded like all the overconfident HRC supporters in November with the same level of self awareness afterward.

Note to Curios George: We don't elect presidents via popular vote and you don't get to reset the championship clock at the AFL-NFL merger. Just because so many other teams came late to the league does not supersede the ELEVEN CHAMPIONSHIPS the Packers have won. And besides, winning the NFC North just gave us another divisional title."

Buck a NY homer? He's from St. Louis.

And of course you are the poster child of moron "Titletown" Packer fans, so proud of championships that you never saw, by players you never knew.

CWJ said...

And here I thought that it was just the Kansas City Royals who had a special animus toward Joe Buck.

Ann Althouse said...

"I often watch football with the sound off, drives my kids crazy..."

Meade watches sports with the sound off. I'm not sure if he does it only for me, but it does allow us to sit side by side much more. I'm usually reading on the iPad but will engage some of the time.

Jersey Fled said...

I've always felt Aikman was pretty fair to my Eagles in spite of their long rivalry with the Cowboys. I think it has to do with the fact that the Eagles sacked him 11 times in his first game, and he is still afraid it might happen again.

Buck, on the other hand, is a complete doofus. Does he think that poor excuse for a beard makes him look manly?

donald said...

Heh. There is nothing like driving through Alabama listening to Finebaum and his minions sucking elephant balls non stop.

Brando said...

I had the same complaint when it seemed during Ravens games the announcers seemed a bit too happy when the Ravens screwed up. But the Ravens screwed up so often it might have been my natural cringing.

Best bet is turn the sound off and listen to music during the games. You're not really missing anything.

Mazo Jeff said...

I purchased a "sports radio" that has a built in "delay" so I can listen to Wayne and Larry and time it to the TV so I don't have to listen to Joe and Troy. It is called SPORT SYNC.

Drives my wife crazy cause commercials don't match. Interesting in the "timing " between am and fm stations and Fox vs CBS broadcasts

Bob Ellison said...

Curious George, good point. There is indeed a difference between sports with just a few games and those with a million.

I grew up listening from afar (in Arizona) to Vin Scully's call of Dodger games on the radio. That guy can make you want to hear how the paint is drying.

Mike said...

And of course you are the poster child of moron "Titletown" Packer fans, so proud of championships that you never saw, by players you never knew.

Well this moron counts all championships the same -- just like the NFL. The Packers tie us back to an era when small towns could field competitive teams like the Acme Packers and the Decatur Staleys. I like the rich history of the NFL. I like being an "owner" of the team I root for. The truth is I've been to many a Packer game and saw two NFL championship runs to the trophy. Just because I'm not a 110-years-old is no reason to disparage my attachment to a great team.

What's this BS about "players you never knew" anyway? Why would it matter to a fan? I've met plenty of Packers who played during my era and long before, and it adds to the richness of my personal experience, but it surely isn't a requirement to appreciate the greatest team in pro sports. Maybe you should write about what you know instead of the crap you are peddling here.

mezzrow said...

I too watch most of my sports with the sound off, the exception being Cubs baseball. No, I'm not a particular fan of Joe Buck, now that you mention it.

I like to watch the Cubs games while overlaying the radio call by Pat Hughes and Ron Coomer, which you can do via MLB.TV.

Mazo Jeff said...
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Eric the Fruit Bat said...

How cool would it be if William Shatner could call a football game?

Mike said...

Aikman seems pretty fair. Only Joebuck was an annoying Knickerbocker Sunday. St. Louis roots notwithstanding, he really is a homer for NY teams now. Amusingly so.

Titus said...

I watched the game and it was actually the first time I watched Aaron Rodgers play.

He is incredible-what an arm.

Dallas will be tough next week.

AllenS said...

The first Packer that I ever met, was when I was in a military hospital in Japan. Some time in early 1968, Bart Starr showed up in the staph ward of the hospital. The Pack had just won Super Bowl II. On behalf of myself and Richie Rodriquez, thank you, Bart.

CJinPA said...

"I purchased a "sports radio" that has a built in "delay" so I can listen to Wayne and Larry and time it to the TV so I don't have to listen to Joe and Troy. It is called SPORT SYNC. Drives my wife crazy cause commercials don't match."

Which means you watch with your wife. Nice. My wife would rather gouge her eyes out than watch sports, bless her heart.

Mazo Jeff said...
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tim in vermont said...

By the way, that game was great.

Mike said...

Bob Ellison: ...Vin Scully...

'Nuff said. Best of the best.

DanTheMan said...

>>Meade watches sports with the sound off. I'm not sure if he does it only for me, but it does allow us to sit side by side much more

Roku with the headphone jack in the remote works for us...

320Busdriver said...

Agreed that Troy seems fair but J Buck really grates on my nerves...I could not believe there was no discussion of the hit that took Jordy out when it occurred.

Where do I sign?

Wilbur said...

First World problem.

Mazo Jeff said...

PS, as a die hard Packers backer, in the 1st half (up to the last 2 minutes) to be honest .the Packers looked terrible. Even Wayne and Larry said so. But since that point, they looked like the team we all expect and hope for. Go Pack, the real America's team

TwilightofLiberty.com said...

I like Aikman a lot as an announcer. Always enjoyed watching him play, too, except when he was crushing Packers in Dallas 7 times in a row. Buck is hardto listen to.

I mute the tv every time they cut to a lady sideline 'reporter.' My wife always gives me a dirty look but what guy wants to hear a girl talk about football? Its like any self-respecting football fan who wants to see Lady Gaga or Janet Jackson do halftime at the Super Bowl - they don't exist.

Is there a way to listen to Wayne/Larry on phone or online? Looked a couple years ago but didnt see anything.

Interesting that Pat Hughes is Cubs announcer. He called Brewer games with Uecker when i was growing up in the '80s.

lgv said...

I live in Dallas. My favorite team since 1967 has been the Green Bay Packers, followed by anyone the Cowboys are playing.

That said, I think Aikman is a great announcer. I never thought he would be that good. I prefer Buck and Aikman over any other broadcast team, at least current team. Grew up with Summerall and Brookshier with an assist from Irv Cross.

who-knew said...

I have a theory that all announcers suck, especially the 'color' men. This is because in reality there is not that much to be said about a game the audience is watching just like they are. Occasionally a new guy will come on and I will think, hey this guy is interesting, but inevitably after a few games the newness wears off and he turns out to be just as tiresome as the rest of them.

It goes with my theory that while athletes may or may not be the brightest people in the world, they always sound dumb because most of the questions they are asked are so stupid. "Tell us about that touchdown pass you caught in the third quarter" "Well, I ran down the field got open and when the QB threw me the ball I caught it" How do answer a question ike that without sounding dense? I say you can't.

Static Ping said...

I find Joe Buck to be a poor announcer regardless of what sport it happens to be or what teams are playing. He comes across as a know-it-all-know-nothing.

rehajm said...

Anyone remember when NBC aired a game with no announcers? I think it was around 1965 in response to complaints about how bad their game calling was.

I think it was a little later than that. As I recall the only time people were begging to have Cosell back

320Busdriver said...

I wonder how Erin would do paired up with Aikman...

Works for me.

rehajm said...

I think Buck and Aikman are pretty good. They at least avoid the obnoxious Jim Nance habit of trying to stir controversy over referee calls.

They need to keep Buck off camera though. That beard..and high definition TV is not flattering to a hair 'system'.

Curious George said...

"Mike said...
And of course you are the poster child of moron "Titletown" Packer fans, so proud of championships that you never saw, by players you never knew.

Well this moron counts all championships the same -- just like the NFL. The Packers tie us back to an era when small towns could field competitive teams like the Acme Packers and the Decatur Staleys. I like the rich history of the NFL. I like being an "owner" of the team I root for. The truth is I've been to many a Packer game and saw two NFL championship runs to the trophy. Just because I'm not a 110-years-old is no reason to disparage my attachment to a great team.

What's this BS about "players you never knew" anyway? Why would it matter to a fan? I've met plenty of Packers who played during my era and long before, and it adds to the richness of my personal experience, but it surely isn't a requirement to appreciate the greatest team in pro sports. Maybe you should write about what you know instead of the crap you are peddling here."

Did you really use the word "richness" twice in a football post. BTW, if you look at my post I used the word "still", intentionally. My point is that Green Bay is far from "Titletown" in the modern era. They are ninth in titles won. But you keep hanging on to that rich history of shit that happened before you were born. LOL Tell Patriot and Steeler fans how Green Bay is "Titletown". Tell 'em how awesome Curley Lambeau was...after you explain WHO he was.

As far as the Packers being the "greatest team in pro sports"...what a joke even if you look all-time. Like I said they are ninth in the NFL modern era. But all time the Yankees have more than double the championships. Celtics have more. Lakers have more. Montreal Canadiens have almost double. Leafs are tied.





Michael K said...

I have gotten used to the hostile announcer when watching SC games on national TV. The Pac 12 channel does better in fairness but all national announcers pull for the opposition. It doesn't seem to matter which team.

I watch a little NFL but not much.

Original Mike said...

"Buck started gushing about Giants dominance with 4 minutes left in the first quarter!"

Up to that point, the Packers were getting the shit beat out of them.

I'm always hoping Buck and Aikman get the Packer game. Buck is fine and Aikman's insights are enlightening.

Original Mike said...

The Packers might well have lost that game if the Giant receivers could have caught the ball.

320Busdriver said...

Just google lists of pro football championships.

The other teams might be be capable of holding a Packer jockstrap, maybe.
The other teams' fans, not so much.

Green Bay IS Titletown.

Original Mike said...

"Blogger Mazo Jeff said...I purchased a "sports radio" that has a built in "delay" so I can listen to Wayne and Larry and time it to the TV so I don't have to listen to Joe and Troy. It is called SPORT SYNC."

Bless you, bless you, bless you! I've always wanted to build an audio delay device to perform this function but have never gotten around to it (and probably never will). I did not know such a thing was commercially available.

Though I have nothing against Buck/Aikman, I would prefer to listen to Wayne and Larry just because they are more knowledge about the Packers.

Curious George said...

"320Busdriver said...
Just google lists of pro football championships.

The other teams might be be capable of holding a Packer jockstrap, maybe.
The other teams' fans, not so much.

Green Bay IS Titletown."

Was.

mccullough said...

Joe Buck is just annoying but not biased. Aikman is a good analyst and not biased.

Packers fans, like Cubs fans, are whiners. Unless it's play by play and analysis from their broadcasters, they complain. Can't take reality. Rodgers is a fantastic player but the head coach is mediocre and most of the players are average.

khesanh0802 said...

The best announcer pairing in football is/was Vern Lundquist and Gary Danielson. They both know football and are not afraid to call a bad play a bad play or vice versa. You can learn a lot from Danielson. The worst pairing is any one that includes John Gruden or Brent "Mushberger"in which no one makes a mistake, every player is super talented - except maybe on that last play- and we learn about every player's hometown and family life.

Aikman understandably is a Cowboy first, last and always and has trouble watching other teams play. Joe Buck's father was a revered announcer. Joe Buck never will be.

BTW the Giants WERE beating the shit out of the Packers in the first quarter and a half. If Cruz and Beckham he'd not dropped all those balls the game might well have been over at the half- as I recall Beckham dropped two TD balls. In the second half Eli was Eli and Aaron woke up and that was all she wrote. If the Packers start the Dallas game the same way they did NY the game will truly be over by the half.

Birches said...

I didn't watch Sunday, so I can't comment specifically, but I'd rather have Buck and Aikman calling a game then anyone else. Al Michaels is top notch, but I want to gouge my eyes out whenever I hear Cris Collingsworth, so NBC broadcasts are out.

Actually, my top preference would be the ESPN team from last night. Way better than anyone else, college or pro.

Original Mike said...

@Mazo Jeff...If you're still here, can you comment on how well the SPORT SYNC radio works. There a very wide range of ratings on Amazon.

Original Mike said...

"If the Packers start the Dallas game the same way they did NY the game will truly be over by the half."

Packers have been doing that all season. I don't hold out much hope for next Sunday.

Mike said...

If you have to qualify your take with "in the modern era" then you are cherry picking data to support your weak argument. And you're wrong. Packers won Super Bowl 1 and Super Bowl 2 and two more after the change to Roman numerals. That's 4, Doofus. Not 2. How many other teams have won "4 in the modern era"? Don't know. Don't really care. I root for Titletown!

khesanh0802 said...

@ Bus Driver and curious George : Unfortunately, NYC is "title town" with 54 men's major sports league championships; Boston is second with 36. Green Bay is tied for 8th. Admittedly Green Bay had a hell of a run under Lombardi - I was a big fan. Since the free agency era they have won only two titles. The Pats have won four and (as I painfully remember) the Giants have also won two.

Sorry, but I can't give you "title town" claim.

Birches said...

Phil Simms and Jim Nantz are just meh, but have you seen this?. Funniest thing I've seen in awhile, the smell must have been awful.

I can't stand Lundquist. He's too slavish in his devotion to Saban. Last night would have been awful if the SEC on CBS crew was announcing.

320Busdriver said...

Indeed, Pack is tied for 3rd with 4 SB's

Steelers have 6

And Dallas and SF have 5

mccullough said...

In the Super Bowl era, the best teams have been the Steelers (6 Super Bowl wins and 2 losses), the Cowboys (5 Super Bowl wins and three losses), the 49ers (5 Super Bowl wins and 1 loss), the Patriots (4 Super Bowl wins and 4 losses), the Giants (4-1), and the Packers (4 Super Bowl wins and 1 loss).

Honorable mentions go to the Raiders (3-2), the Redskins (3-1), and the Broncos (3-5).

320Busdriver said...

I attended the october Dallas game at Lambeau, a major disappointment despite the awesome weather.

The Pack will need Jordy on Sunday.

Curious George said...

"Mike said...
If you have to qualify your take with "in the modern era" then you are cherry picking data to support your weak argument. And you're wrong. Packers won Super Bowl 1 and Super Bowl 2 and two more after the change to Roman numerals. That's 4, Doofus. Not 2. How many other teams have won "4 in the modern era"? Don't know. Don't really care. I root for Titletown!"

It's not cherrypicking. It's since the merger in 70. That's the modern era. One league.

Get it dumbass?

AllenS said...

As far as the Giants beating the Packers badly for a quarter +, they were only ahead 6 points.

320Busdriver said...

The modern era generally refers to the est. of the Superbowl as detailed here:

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2016/01/super_bowl_50_which_nfl_team_has_won_the_most_cham.html#1

Mike said...

1919-1960 NFL = one league. Get it dumbass?

Original Mike said...

Looking at radio delay devices on Amazon just now I read this comment: "Thank you thank you thank you for making my Packer Badger Brewer games fun again! NO MORE TROY AIKMAN!!!!!!!!!!!"

Original Mike said...

"As far as the Giants beating the Packers badly for a quarter +, they were only ahead 6 points."

They were damn lucky. Why were the Giant receivers dropping so many balls? Was it the cold?

Curious George said...

"Mike said...
1919-1960 NFL = one league. Get it dumbass?"

Right, it was title town then. Not now. Thanks for making my point. Now go back to jerkin' off to B&W photos of Curley Lambeau leading the boys to victory over the Nowheresville Whogivesafucks! It's so rich, that history!

Brando said...

"In the Super Bowl era, the best teams have been the Steelers (6 Super Bowl wins and 2 losses), the Cowboys (5 Super Bowl wins and three losses), the 49ers (5 Super Bowl wins and 1 loss), the Patriots (4 Super Bowl wins and 4 losses), the Giants (4-1), and the Packers (4 Super Bowl wins and 1 loss)."

I wonder though if it's accurate to go by Super Bowl wins alone. Suppose for the sake of example we were looking at just the period 1990-2003, we'd have to say that the Bucs were a better team over that period than the Bills because they won one Super Bowl and the Bills won none. However, in that period the Bills won four straight AFC championships.

Or take season by season--I'd say the most dominant team in one season in this century would have to be the 2007 Patriots, as they not only won every game (save for the Super Bowl) but won many of them by big margins. Yet, that elusive Super Bowl kept them from a perfect season!

Curious George said...

"AllenS said...
For those that don't listen to Wayne and Larry, Wayne has this little phrase that he uses when the Pack has put the game out of reach."

Wayne is maybe the best radio PxP in football. He did the Bears games prior. McCarren not so much.

Mike said...

victory over the Nowheresville Whogivesafucks! It's so rich, that history!

Don't know why you are so personally vulgar about the subject, and to me sexual allusions are really misplaced in discussing football.

Yeah the NFL has a rich history that predates the Super Bowl, thankfully much of it recorded by the Sabol organization and narrated by the great John Facenda. Many teams from the era survived. Too bad you have a monomaniacal focus on recent history that precludes you from appreciating the big picture. They don't call the Bears-Packers as the "greatest rivalry in sports" because of the post-1970 games. They add to the story, but there's much more. Business majors study Pete Rozelle's tenure as a model for building a brand. But I guess we should just look at what he did after 1970 to really see the man for what he was?

Original Mike said...

"Don't know why you are so personally vulgar about the subject, "

He has a log up his butt about Wisconsin sports teams. Don't know where the hate comes from, but it is strong.

Joe said...

Is there a petition to call for the removal of Packer game broadcasts?

mockturtle said...

who-knew says: I have a theory that all announcers suck, especially the 'color' men. This is because in reality there is not that much to be said about a game the audience is watching just like they are. Occasionally a new guy will come on and I will think, hey this guy is interesting, but inevitably after a few games the newness wears off and he turns out to be just as tiresome as the rest of them.

The only 'color' commentator I really enjoyed was John Madden. He knew all phases of the game but emphasized defensive play. I learned a lot from his observations.

Livermoron said...

Giants dropped more balls than the Vienna Boys Choir(tm).
You have to give me credit if you ever use that line.

What is there no love for the Pottsville Maroons? They won an NFL title (1925?) that
was denied them because they played a game in a stadium outside their approved territory. The second-place team refused the title because they didn't feel they earned it, so there was no NFL champ that year.

Had 49er season tix from 1978 to 2007. I don't believe that there was a better time or place to be a football fan than SF in the 80s and 90s.
And no worse plave now. And, yes I am aware of Cleveland.

Howard said...

Let me clear up a couple points. Buck and Troy are the big corporate voices of authority the network loves. They are OK since most announcers suck. The best NFL color guy is Chris Collinsworth, that is if you want a highlight of each off-ball linchpin moments of a play that resulted in success or failure. I can understand anyone whom has never played the game would not like CC's "mansplaining".

The Packers looked like they were going down until the end of the first half. I'm not a big fan of the Giants receiving corps, so was glad to see that their choking was their Achilles heal.

The Packers are not America's team, the Raiders are. The Packers are Trump's America team.

Aaron Rogers is great for a lot of reasons, the first is not his arm, but his footwork. He's the most exciting QB in the game. I don't think the Packers have enough players around Rogers to defeat the Cowboys, Americas least favorite team.

Mark said...

I want to gouge my eyes out whenever I hear Cris Collingsworth, so NBC broadcasts are out.

He is an insufferable, prissy sycophant for the league and refs, but wouldn't you be better off driving knitting needles into your ears in order not to hear him?

Birches said...

Haha, you're right, Marc.


And I hate Collingsworth, not because he mansplains football, but because he thinks every player reminds him of a young so and so and I usually don't think the comparison works as well as he does. He also makes one of the most annoying guffaws I've ever heard. I'm guessing he gets quite a bit of phlegm up every time he does it.

khesanh0802 said...

Not to get into a fight about who's better than who or what year's matter, but a comment. I think Free Agency changed the NFL completely (not necessarily for the better). I think the "modern era" dates from the beginning of free agency not from the combination of the leagues - the 60's -80's were kind of the middle ages of the NFL. The challenge of building and maintaining success in the NFL today is very different from when Lombardi was running the Packers. Can you imagine the value Paul Hornung, Jim Taylor, Fuzzy Thurston, Max McGee, or Ray Nitschke- to name a few- would have add on the free agent market? There is no way Lombardi could have kept those 60's teams together with free agency.

Brando said...

"Not to get into a fight about who's better than who or what year's matter, but a comment. I think Free Agency changed the NFL completely (not necessarily for the better). I think the "modern era" dates from the beginning of free agency not from the combination of the leagues - the 60's -80's were kind of the middle ages of the NFL. The challenge of building and maintaining success in the NFL today is very different from when Lombardi was running the Packers. Can you imagine the value Paul Hornung, Jim Taylor, Fuzzy Thurston, Max McGee, or Ray Nitschke- to name a few- would have add on the free agent market? There is no way Lombardi could have kept those 60's teams together with free agency."

I'd throw in salary caps, revenue sharing and public subsidizing of stadiums. It equalizes the chances of less well-funded teams, and makes it harder for most teams to stay great year after year (look at how neither of last year's Super Bowl contenders even made the playoffs). Kind of makes the Patriots' ability to dominate for so many years these days more impressive.

Matt said...

I think Packer fans are hearing what they want to hear. I watched the game and didn't detect any favoritism. Of course, I'm a Bronco fan so perhaps I wouldn't notice but I recall a bunch of Bronco fans tried to get Phil Simms off of broadcasting their games because of his apparent anti-Bronco bias. But I never heard or detected that either.

It's like the fans that see holding and pass interference all the time against their team and then think the refs are purposely calling the game against them.

Go Cowboys! ;)

HT said...

The phlegmatic guy and Phil Simms are so much better! Simms is great. I was hoping for the Giants to win - guess that partying in Fla didn't help. The dynamic duo often cover the Eastern conference perhaps that accounts for the bias.

Next year, Tide. RTR.

HT said...

Bob said...

Anyone remember when NBC aired a game with no announcers? I think it was around 1965 in response to complaints about how bad their game calling was.

1/10/17, 7:26 AM


It happened again in the 80s or 90s (can't speak for 1965). It was such a great thing to do!

PaoloP said...

I saw the game and the comments were absolutely fair, in my opinion: the Giants dominated the first quarter and a half (what can you say when the Packers make 7 yards?), then the Packs prevailed (and Rodgers was amazing); Buck and Aikman's words reflected just that.

In general, compared with what I'm used to hear in Italy (for soccer games), I find that American comments are exceptionally fair and calm.

Jim at said...

Joe Buck is an insufferable ass, no matter the sport he's broadcasting.

If it wasn't for his father, we would've never heard of the punk.

mockturtle said...

Joe Buck is an insufferable ass, no matter the sport he's broadcasting.

Right behind the [thankfully] inimitable Howard Cosell and the obnoxious Tim McCarver in the Insufferable Sportcasters Hall of Fame.

Unknown said...

Everybody is a pussy these days.

Unknown said...

If packer fans are this big wusses i hope they get slaughtered. As my old man used to say "I'll give you something to cry about"

Mazo Jeff said...

The SPORT SYNC radio is sold direct. Google SPORT SYNC RADIO, You'll find it. Amazon stuff is too expensive. SPORT SYNC is $70

Original Mike said...

"As my old man used to say "I'll give you something to cry about""

Sis? Is that you?

Original Mike said...

Thanks, Jeff. I'm wondering how well it works for you. It got a lot of negative reviews, mainly regarding sound quality.

Original Mike said...

I rewatched the game this evening. I hadn't noticed it live, but I can see a case being made that Buck and Aikman were biased to the Giants. I think it's a pretty weak case, but not completely outlandish.

Regarding those who don't think the Giants were dominating the Packers in the beginning, half way through the 2nd quarter the Packers had 7 yards of TOTAL offense.

And to whoever it was upthread who opined that McCarthy is a mediocre coach, he is tied with Belicheck for the active streak of most consecutive playoff appearances (eight).

Jay Elink said...

WTF? I watched the game for the first time tonight and didn't notice the announcers' "bias" at all. (I've no dog in the fight, being a Bostonian.)

During the first half, UNTIL the Hail Mary, the Packers' offensive game DID suck. But so did the Giants, with NO successful conversions and NO touchdowns.

But after that, it was a different story. How many passes did the Giants drop?

Unless and until someone fisks the announcer comments to make the case, I call bullshit.

And an especially offensive bullshit, since the Packers won the freakin game! With the announcers congratulating them for it.

Methinks it's all the cheese: rots yer brains.

Jay Elink said...

"As my old man used to say "I'll give you something to cry about""

*****

I remember that one too: it's why I've never been back to my father's grave.

Another one, from that same benighted era: "I don't PAY you to think!", shouted by an employee at his underling, in the movies.

Though they won't admit it, HR departments dealing with Manufacuring employees still follow that rule.

Scott said...

Best Packer announcer was Ray Scott during the 60's. His minimalist style was refreshing. Starr... Dowler.... Touchdown, Green Bay...