January 17, 2017

"Did Trump really come and meet with Moscow prostitutes?"

Putin asks and answers:
Firstly he is an adult, and secondly he is a person who for many years has organized a beauty pageant, socialized with the most beautiful women in the world. It is hard to believe that he ran to a hotel to meet with our girls of a low social class, although they are the best in the world. But finally, you know, what I want to say, prostitution is a serious, ugly, social phenomenon, young women do this connected to the fact that they cannot survive any other way and that is a problem of society but people who order false information and spread this information against the elected President, who fabricate it and use it in a political fight, they are worse than prostitutes.
Ah! This pithy statement proceeds in stages:

1. Defense of Trump: He's got so much access to the most beautiful women that it makes no sense to think he'd consort with low women.

2. Defense of prostitutes: Our prostitutes are great prostitutes!

3. Feminist/left-wing critique: Don't speak of prostitution in terms of low women choosing a degraded way of life. Society forces them into it, and society deserves the blame, and we must improve it.

4. Attack on the purveyors of fake news: Worse than prostitutes!

IN THE COMMENTS: Lyssa quoted "It is hard to believe that he ran to a hotel to meet with our girls of a low social class, although they are the best in the world" and asks: "Did Trump craft this statement? It sounds so much like something that he would say. Maybe he'll fire back at the perceived slights to America's prostitutes."

Freeman Hunt scripts tweets for Trump:
"Even prostitutes are poor in Russia. Sad! American prostitutes at all income levels. Bad work but more money in US!"

"Poor women forced to hook in Russia! Sad! Americans prostitutes by choice. Some big $$$! Against law though. Don't do it! Gross!"

"Americans richer than Russians. No need to be prostitutes! Russian prostitutes better because American prostitutes lazy. Just guessing!"

"Putin wrong. American prostitutes best in world! Have heard. No experience. Always gotten from classy women free. Not prostitutes!"

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Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

jaydub said...
instead of manning up and defending your statements, you're trying to change the subject, deflect and dodge.


Your numbers were bullshit. I called you on it. Not changing the subject, directly addressing your claims.

Russia's economy did not grow 2,609% over 16 years. Commonsense should have kicked in when you came up with that number.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Look at this graph and then try to make a coherent case that Russia is anything other than a basket case.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

You guys are welcome to suck Patin's dick all day long for all I care but you should actually speak to a few Russians before making nonsensical statements about the fate of Russia under Putin.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Jon said...
And even if somehow the Far East were to become majority-Chinese, Russia certainly wouldn't give it to China, and China would have to be completely insane to try to take it by force.


You have a fair point, no one knows how this will play out over a long time frame. This being said, China is ascendent and is already in a dominant position relative to Russia. Younger Chinese (under 30) are much more aggressive about China's place in the world compared to their older compatriots so the possibility of armed conflict is increasing. And, it would make more sense to capture resource rich Russia territory that was historically Chinese territory rather than to go to war over some shitty little islands.

damikesc said...

You guys are welcome to suck Patin's dick all day long for all I care but you should actually speak to a few Russians before making nonsensical statements about the fate of Russia under Putin.

As opposed to Obama, who is blowing Iran and Cuba, those two bastions of freedom.

damikesc said...

You have a fair point, no one knows how this will play out over a long time frame. This being said, China is ascendent and is already in a dominant position relative to Russia. Younger Chinese (under 30) are much more aggressive about China's place in the world compared to their older compatriots so the possibility of armed conflict is increasing. And, it would make more sense to capture resource rich Russia territory that was historically Chinese territory rather than to go to war over some shitty little islands.

Which would make an alliance with Russia to deal with China a logical choice to make...

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

damikesc said...
Which would make an alliance with Russia to deal with China a logical choice to make...


I don't disagree with this in the sense that Putin should have aligned with the West a long time ago for the good of his own country. Apparently he can't get past some primal antagonism. And, aligning with dictators never seems to work out that well for us.

damikesc said...

I don't disagree with this in the sense that Putin should have aligned with the West a long time ago for the good of his own country. Apparently he can't get past some primal antagonism. And, aligning with dictators never seems to work out that well for us.

We've been sucking up to Cuba and Iran and ignoring our allies for a few years now.

Jon said...

ARM said: Look at this graph and then try to make a coherent case that Russia is anything other than a basket case

Per capita GDP does not accurately reflect a country's living standards, until it is adjusted for Purchasing Power Parity.

In 2015, Russia's GDP per capita (PPP) was $24,500, well above the world average of $15,500, and 44% of the USA's $56,100.

When Putin took office in 2000, it was $6825, well below the world average of $7903, and only 19% of the USA's $36,400.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?locations=RU

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD

Anonymous said...

Laslo! Thou shouldst be posting at this hour: The Althouse comment section hath need of thee . . .

Michael McNeil said...

Chuck: Trump actually needs one fewer vote in the Senate than those you've listed, since in any tie in that chamber, the President of the Senate (a.k.a. the Vice President of the United States) Mike Pence will cast his (deciding) vote. Now, I suppose he might vote differently from what Trump wants in some critical, exactly balanced case, but I doubt it.

Bruce Hayden said...

In January 2016, the US company Bloomberg rated Russia's economy as the 12th most innovative in the world,[49] up from 14th in January 2015[50] and 18th in January 2014.[51] Russia has the world's 15th highest patent application rate, the 8th highest concentration of high-tech public companies, such as internet and aerospace and the third highest graduation rate of scientists and engineers.[49] Former finance minister Alexei Kudrin has said that Russia needs to reduce geopolitical tensions to improve its economic conditions.[52]

At one point, I was an in-house patent attorney for a major electronics company. We had design centers in Germany, Russia, China, Israel, and elsewhere. I dealt with inventors from all of them. Most innovative were the Israelis, by far. Big problem there was documentation. Solved that by appealing to one of their ethnic priorities - greed. Kept pushing the company's patent bonus plan, and got results. Our Russian inventors were mostly members of the Russian (formerly Soviet) Academy of Science. Brilliant, but tended to be much too abstract to get a patent on. They would come up with a novel equation. I would tell them to come back when they had aconcrete use for it, which they would ultimately do. Germans were in between. Decently incentive, but no real cutting edge stuff. The Chinese were underwhelming. It worked well though, as different nationalities seem to have different strengths.

Having been in the patent field for awhile, I remain sonewhat cynical about foreign patent filing numbers telling us much about a country's level of innovation. Part of this comes from my experience with Japanese patents. A decade of two ago, they were the joke in the patent field. Japanese companies, trying to dig out of paying huge royalties to American companies, tried to make up for it in numbers. They would file thousands of what we considered junk patents - sketchy description, minimal innovation, etc. And it did work - they had huge stacks of patents, and enough decent patents spread out among the thousands of junk patents, that they were able to significantly better their positions in the periodic cross-licensing we engaged in. Point though is that patent numbers is a very weak national metric for country innovation.

Michael McNeil said...

Teresa: The Constitution specifies how and for what causes a President may be impeached — including treason among those grounds — and the Constitution also defines exactly what (constitutionally) treason is. According to the Constitution (Article III, Section 3):

“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.”

Has Trump “levied war” against the United States? Has he “adhered” to the U.S.'s “enemies” while “giving them aid and comfort”? Precisely how? Even if (IF!) Putin did somehow interfere in some substantive way in the U.S. election either against Hillary or in favor of Trump — exactly how is that Trump “adhering” to them? And who declared Russia to be an “enemy” of the United States anyway? Certainly not Congress! And not the President of the United States either!

Michael McNeil said...

mounting evidence…”

This so-called mounting evidence is exactly like the New York Times piece that Althouse severely criticized as “fake news” just a few weeks back, concerning this very same subject — which was even then talking about the supposed “swell” of evidence — that then, 16 paragraphs into the presentation, finally revealed the first real “fact” (such as it was). Similarly now, where that “mounting” evidence somehow never appears. All we ever see if arm-waving innuendo, specifically designed by the left to attempt to illegitimize the incoming, freely elected President Elect.

Bad Lieutenant said...

Bruce Hayden said...


At one point, I was an in-house patent attorney for a major electronics company. We had design centers in Germany, Russia, China, Israel, and elsewhere. I dealt with inventors from all of them. Most innovative were the Israelis, by far. Big problem there was documentation. Solved that by appealing to one of their ethnic priorities - greed. Kept pushing the company's patent bonus plan, and got results.

Bruce! Really? The fuck!
Germans don't want to get paid? Russians don't want to get paid? Christians, Muslim's, atheists don't want to get paid? Do you motivate blacks with fried chicken and watermelon?

How did you brain let your fingers click Post?

For everybody who wonders why Jews vote 70% Democrat, see above.

Bad Lieutenant said...

I mean, it would be like me saying, oh look, Mormon employees! Let me motivate them with polygamy and bland food!

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