October 22, 2016

"If [Trump] gets in, good luck to him. That's what the people wanted...."

"He's an entertainer.... I doubt he thought about becoming president a year ago, and it's like a joke that got out of hand.... It's like [a 1980s comedy movie that] would start with two old billionaires going, 'I bet I can choose the worst person and make him president within a year.' And then someone goes, 'You're on!' and that's how the film starts."

Said Ricky Gervais, very aptly.

Yes, this is a democracy, and if Trump becomes President, there's no blaming Trump. It's something the people made happen. The same goes for Hillary and for our awful predicament having Hillary and Trump as the candidates. That's us. It's like America got up one morning, looked in the mirror, saw it was ugly and had to decide what to do about it. America could put on a big hat, pulled down low over the eyes, dark glasses, and a big scarf around the neck and a big heavy coat before going out into the world. Or America could say, I'm going to be out and proud. I'm going to rock the ugly. Those are the options. What are you going to do?

87 comments:

M Jordan said...

This meme that Trump stumbled his way into the presidency is wrong. He trademarked "Make America a Great Again" in 2012. He was highly motivated to take on the rotten culture of Washington and the media it has cucked. Trump may not be a political wonk, he may be inconsistent with most if his previously-stated views, but he is not a clown wandering into the circus.

Just watch his Al Smith schtick and you'll see a man on a mission.

Mary Beth said...

'I bet I can choose the worst person and make him president within a year.'

"Pay up, Mortimer. I've won the bet."

n.n said...

Class diversitists, progressive warmongers, female chauvinists, selective exclusionists, scientific mystics, abortionists, progressive corruption, and the Pro-Choice Church of twilighters to the left and Obama's legacy are at stake.

mockturtle said...

An 'entertainer'. Like his business career is to be ignored.

mezzrow said...

Kudos to Mary Beth for getting here first.

Hagar said...

Que sera, sera.
Qui vivra, verra.

"Fasten your seatbelts. It's going to be a bumpy ride!"

But I do hope that Evan Bayh loses in Indiana.

SukieTawdry said...

I wasn't interested in rocking the ugly. I was interested in restoring some semblance of Constitutional government. Oh well.

One of Trump's close associates remarked that it's almost impossible to get him to focus on anything but himself for any length of time. I believe it. A Trump presidency will be run by aides, advisors and underlings. We can only hope they're good.

I'm writing in Gov. Scott Walker. He was not ready for a prime time candidacy but I think he would make an able president. I do not think Trump will make an able president, but I hope he wins. And that's how truly bad this election is.

Jupiter said...

"The same goes for Hillary and for our awful predicament having Hillary and Trump as the candidates."

Oh, knock it off. If it were up to me to choose the next US President, I would probably not choose Donald Trump. But the idea that a Trump Presidency would be disastrous is just silly. Trump might embarrass us from time to time, but it is hard to see how he could top Bill Clinton fucking an intern in the Oval Office with a cigar. Probably a Cuban cigar. Maybe Trump will grab Angela Merkel by the merkin? She'll get over it. Tell her he's a Muslim, she'll thank him and ask for another. Trump will likely choose a very diverse group of advisors and officials, and have a contentious relationship with the House and Senate. His foreign policy will be the despair of career diplomats. So what? You mean we won't get a two-state solution during his administration? Tsk fucking tsk.

Hillary Clinton is a Hard Left ideologue. She will staff federal agencies with her Left Fascist cronies. She will flood the country with Muslim immigrants, many of whom will prove to be terrorists, and very few of whom will prove to be productive citizens. She will send federal officers to disarm the populace, and they will get their asses shot off in the process of killing a lot of law-abiding people, and imprisoning a whole lot more. Think Gulags. She will follow the Invade-The-World, Invite-The-World approach to foreign policy, which means getting American soldiers killed in filthy hellholes, while importing the people who turned them into hellholes into our communities.

Trump will be an episode in the decline of nation that has seen better days. Clinton will be the governmental equivalent of Ebola. The idea that this is a difficult choice is flatly ridiculous. I can see that there are many people who expect to benefit substantially and directly from Clinton's election. Those people are parasites on the rest of us, and have neither patriotism nor enlightened self-interest. They are exactly the kind of people who will burn down a department store so they can steal a pair of shoes. There may well be enough of them to elect her. But if you aren't one of them, quitcher bitchin, vote for Trump, and get on with your affairs.

Rob said...

What are we going to do? Shlong her together.

Big Mike said...

I agree with Jupiter. The allegedly "beloved" Obama pretty regularly embarrassed this country on the world stage. Trump can hardly do worse.

I also agree that between the two leading candidates one person is much, much worse than the other. Trump may be like bad-tasting medicine, however Hillary will be a terminal disease.

Otto said...

Hillary or Trump becoming president and Dylan winning nobel prize. Yup suicide of the west.

openidname said...

I'd agree that the American people deserve he blame -- except that the DNC had its thumb on the nomination scale and the media have their thumb on the general election scale.

Mark said...

If you want to equate Trump as "The Candidate" (Robert Redford running with no expectation to actually win) with someone, it is Obama. Hillary Gollum Clinton has lusted and schemed for this since even before she disdained baking cookies -- only she always thought it beneath her that she actually have to ask people to vote for her. She has always felt entitled to "her precious" and that it should just be given to her.

rcocean said...

Is there anything more ridiculous than some midwit "Joke Boy" sneering at a Self-made billionaire and POTUS candidate?

Has Adam Sandler given us his condescending "take down" of Trump yet?

Of course, people in Minnesota would know, since they will probably elect him to as their next US Senator.

Why not have two clowns from a clown state?

sinz52 said...

Evidently, Gervais knows nothing about our political process. Neither one of these candidates was what the people wanted.

Hillary had to depend on the Democratic superdelegates plus some tweaking by the DNC to get her nominated. Otherwise, Bernie Sanders might have beaten her.

Trump got nominated with about 38% of the Republican vote against a badly divided field of a dozen candidates. The majority of Republicans did not want him.

Michael K said...

A Trump presidency will be run by aides, advisors and underlings. We can only hope they're good.

Who do you think runs Obama's presidency ? Obama?

Hint. Her name begins with V.

YoungHegelian said...

The problems that the post-Trump Republican Party, win or lose, will have to navigate to form a cohesive whole after the election have been well covered by the press, both right & left.

What hasn't been covered is: what about the Democrats? If Clinton loses, and she can't even beat Trump, what happens to the Clinton Machine, which the Clintonistas have spent at least 8 years building? Will the Clintonistas all line up & commit suppuku so that their honor is preserved & the Dems can rebuild without them? I really, really doubt it.

If Hillary wins, then what does the rest of the country, especially the Left-wing of the Democratic Party, do as the depth of the Clintonista corruption starts to sink in? Was the election "rigged" against the Republicans? Well, maybe. But it sure as hell was against the Bernie-ites! I just don't see the majority of the Democratic Party lining up to pay obeisance to the arrogant, corrupt, & not-very-talented Clinton Machine for very long.

To paraphrase Nobel Laureate Dylan, a hard rain's gonna fall, & it won't just be rainin' on the Republicans.

Mark said...

It's something the people made happen

Three-quarters of the people -- at least -- have long rejected Hillary, including both in 2008 and 2015-16 when even at least half of Dems wanted either Obama or Sanders. It was only because of the raw power of the corrupt Clinton machine that the Clinton's have corruptly acquired with the assist of enough of the elite oligarchy that she was able to manipulate enough people to seize the nomination and maybe into office.

She may yet make it, but it will be against the desire and will of the vast majority of the country who have tried as best they could to stop it only to be overmatched by a sycophantic collaborating media and a bunch of worthless, spineless worms who are the leadership of the supposed "opposition party."

rehajm said...

If you're in television or movies or stand up or whatever Gervais is, everything in life is like a movie or sitcom or stand up routine. Everyone views the world through the prism of their profession I suppose.

To an economist Gervais is someone who would possess average intelligence if not for the fact he was raised by a band of lemurs.

Mark said...

She will send federal officers to disarm the populace

See, there is just so much CRAP about the Clintons and Clintonism that you forget much of its awfulness, like Waco and the stormtrooping of Elian Gonzalez's home. Yeah, let's return to all that.

Michael K said...

you forget much of its awfulness, like Waco and the stormtrooping of Elian Gonzalez's home.

Well, Obama's BLM, the white one, killed one of the men protesting the land grab in Nevada. There is a back story there that is hidden by the Media. Harry Reid may be in the middle of it. If Trump wins, we may actually learn what happened.

Sebastian said...

"The same goes for Hillary and for our awful predicament having Hillary and Trump as the candidates. That's us. It's like America got up one morning, looked in the mirror, saw it was ugly and had to decide what to do about it." No. "America" didn't do this.

The Dem establishment, expertly manipulated by the Clinton posse using Hill as a figurehead, gave us Hill as the major Dem candidate -- which most Dem primary voters supported. She represents the Dem party well - inherently corrupt, dishonest to its core, without any settled convictions except to seize power and aggrandize the government itself. Few Dems will wander off the plantation in the general.

The GOP establishment, by contrast, fucked up. It acted weak in the years prior. It barely had any convictions of its own. It didn't weed out sure losers. It didn't stage manage the debates. It didn't do oppo research on Trump. It allowed him to divide and conquer. Thus a clown candidate supported by only a plurality of GOP voters won the primaries.

"America" thinks only Trump is ugly, you know, because he made some sexist comments once, and a rape joke, I have been told by a well-known blogger. "America" will happily vote for the grifter and her rapist husband, as long as "America" can keep feeding at the trough and avoid involuntary nightmares about the global wreckage caused by O and his minions.

The Cracker Emcee said...

If Hillary's on the ballot there are no options. In a nutshell, y'all.

buwaya puti said...

If or when Trump walks into the oval office he will be entering the most colossal snakepit the universe has ever seen.
Everyone in the "permanent government" will be his enemy, no-one can be trusted. Even more so all the hanger-on NGOs, consultancies, lobbyists, PR firms, and allied leeches in the capital, besides the media of course.

If he leaves a scuff on a baseboard it will be immediately known and be made to seem some act of depravity in every headline.

I dont like his odds in that, but who knows.

traditionalguy said...

Gervais is steeped in the freedoms and liberties of an English voter. He doesn't understand Alynsky and Obama tactics. So he accepts the will of the Deplorable voters.

What will be interesting is how Jaynesville's little boy Ryan handles a Trump Presidency. He will likely change Parties.

SukieTawdry said...

Who do you think runs Obama's presidency ? Obama?

Hint. Her name begins with V.


Obama's worldview prevails. It's V's job to make sure it does.

Mark said...

If or when Trump walks into the oval office . . .

. . . the Republicans in Congress will suddenly rediscover checks and balances.

If Hillary walks in, the Republicans in Congress will open the door for her, say with a big smile on their face, "We're ready to work with you," and then when Hillary acts like, well, Hillary, just as a scorpion is always a scorpion, they will whine and cry, but not do a damn thing to actually stop her. They will sheepishly throw up their hands, saying, "She won. But if you elect us again and put a Republican in the White House next time, then we will be able to do something."

AprilApple said...

There was a lot of manipulation with the choices. The MSM promoted who they wanted.

Fabi said...

sinz52 -- Trump got 45% of the primary vote, not 38%. I'm also interested in how you concluded that most didn't want him. There's a big difference between preferring another candidate and not wanting someone. I look forward to your factual explanation.

Jupiter said...

buwaya puti said...
"If he leaves a scuff on a baseboard it will be immediately known and be made to seem some act of depravity in every headline."

You know, what's kind of amusing about that, is that at this point Trump is right. He *could* kill someone in broad daylight on Fifth Avenue, with a hundred witnesses and the cameras rolling. And if the NYT wrote anything about it, I'd be certain it was a complete fabrication. Their credibility isn't just damaged, it's deep in negative territory. We're talking Pravda and the Soviet Union here.

Big Mike said...

Trump would laugh out loud for days, maybe weeks, at the thought of someone with with no experience in the construction industry setting out to build a high rise in New York City. But he thought he could saunter into politics at the highest level with no background in campaigning. Has he learned enough in time? We shall know in just 17 days.

Then, of course, he will have a whole lot of new things to learn.

Lyle said...

I am rocking the ugly if Trump wins. If it's Hillary, I'll have schadenfreude if something bad happens to her, Bill, and/or Chelsea.

bagoh20 said...

Let'e be accurate. He's an entertainer as a hobby, but his business is real estate. Hillary plays at being human as a hobby, and influence peddling is her business.

mockturtle said...

Says Big Mike: Then, of course, he will have a whole lot of new things to learn.

Not Queen Hillary, though. She already knows everything.

Michael K said...

" We're talking Pravda and the Soviet Union here. "

Yes and everybody but a few LIVs knows it.

David Goldman, who is one of my go-to guys. thinks Trump will win.

His analysis of Putin is masterful.

The second exception is the present, when Russia's air defense effectively shuts us out of Syria. As some wag wrote, there is a no-fly zone, except it's operated by the Russians. Putin's interest lies in humiliating the US and proving his importance to his Chinese partners, who still need Russian technology in air defense, jet engines, and other military applications.

In addition, Putin as before wants to preempt the creation of a Sunni Islamist government in Syria which would support jihadis inside Russia. Where Turkey is concerned, Putin keeps his friends close and his enemies closer. His deal with Turkey in Syria is a masterstroke, and a gauge of American impotence and incompetence. As for the Europeans: the Italians (!) vetoed a resolution warning of sanctions against Russia at last night's European summit, and the Germans and French bit their tongues. As Il Foglio observes, the Italian public thinks that the mess in the Eastern Mediterranean is the fault of US (and French and UK) policy--which in large part it is.

mockturtle said...

The Russians have been dealing with Sunni jihadis longer than we have and we could have learned from their experience in Afghanistan. But we never learn from anyone's experience. Not even our own.

walter said...

Blogger AprilApple said...
There was a lot of manipulation with the choices. The MSM promoted who they wanted.
--
Yes.

So Sukie, are you in an area where your vote can't possibly matter?

Fen said...

Who is Ricky Gervais? Some stand up comedian?

"it's like a joke that got out of hand"

Amusing how people who think they are so "smart" are catching blowback - their ignorant stereotypes have blinded them and made it impossible to arrive a reasoned conclusions and sharp analysis.

Trump is not a joke that got out of hand. Trump is the response to the GOP Elites who stopped representing their base, who threw us under the bus so their liberal pals would invite them out to Martha's Vineyard. Trump is the response to a political elite that slimed a civil and respectful grass roots call for change as racist teabaggers. As Glenn Reynolds said:

"When politeness and orderliness are met with contempt and betrayal, do not be surprised if the response is something less polite, and less orderly... So now we have Trump instead, who tells people to punch counterprotesters instead of picking up their trash."

Fen said...

If it's Hillary, I'll have schadenfreude if something bad happens to her, Bill, and/or Chelsea.

If Hillary is elected, and in light of her foreign policy incompetence and PCBS re muslim terrorist attacks, its likely a large population area will be attacked. A blue-city state like New York or Boston.

But I'm already prepared. I'm going to change my facebook avatar to Manhatten Island, send my thoughts and prayers, and remind them that Islam is a religion of peace and the crusades were just as bad and we had it coming because of oil blah blah.

I would be lying if I said I wasn't looking forward to it.

These people are no longer my countrymen.

Fen said...

So sorry about your beautiful city with all its culture, but what's important here is preventing an anti-muslim backlash.

Guildofcannonballs said...

It is like Welles said, the Swiss are boring as fuck. They can't write or act for shit. Too much complacency.

I will watch Civil War II while eating crock-pot beef and taters, calling the lil dog a lil "goofball" and laughing at how interesting the times are.

StephenFearby said...

If the Trumpster didn't have such a bad memory (about many matters of importance), he likely would not have wound up behind this eight-ball & chain:


"...In the [1998] interview with host Chris Matthews, the two men spent a bunch of time discussing Bill Clinton’s sexual misconduct.

Then Matthews asked Trump if he ever considered running for president."

"...TRUMP: People want me to all the time.

MATTHEWS: What about you?

TRUMP: I don’t like it.

MATTHEWS: Why?

TRUMP: Can you imagine how controversial I’d be? You think about [Bill Clinton] with the women. How about me with the women? Can you imagine?"

http://fusion.net/story/357459/trump-1998-chris-matthews-interview-women/

walter said...

Gervais needs to put his money where his entertainer mouth is. If Madonna is giving out blows for votes, he could ___.

You've got a potential president who says things like, 'I'd like to punch him in the face,'" Gervais said. "And he gets a round of applause. There's a new breed of ruthless ambition."

Wait..what did that failed prez runner/current veep Biden just say?
Which side has actually delivered violence..admitted to paying to incite violence?
Ohh..Gervais is just pulling our leg. I get it.

tcrosse said...

We are in this mess because the Democrats rigged their nomination and the Republicans didn't rig theirs.

walter said...

Joe "punchy" Biden:
"But what he said he did and does is a textbook definition of sexual assault. (Applause) And -- no, no, think about this. It's more than that. He said because I'm famous, because I'm a star, because I'm a billionaire, I can do things other people can't. What a disgusting assertion for anyone to make. (Cheers and applause) The press said don't you wish you were debating him? No, I wish I were in high school so I could take him behind the gym, that's what I wish."

Fen said...

I will watch Civil War II while eating crock-pot beef and taters, calling the lil dog a lil "goofball" and laughing at how interesting the times are.

Heh. I'm working up a theory that Nero was not insane, he was simply celebrating to finally see the death by suicide of Stupidity.

So if you see me out there fiddling, please invite me in for a beer.

Rt1 Rebel said...

What tcrosse said. I don't want Trump for what he is, want him for what he might be, and if not, he will be heeled very closely by the MSM, the SC, and Congress. My minimum expectation of his presidential term is as a pause and a full stop on what we have. If Trump is really bad, we still have 2020. If Hilliary, there is no end in sight. Ever.

Mark said...

I'm working up a theory that Nero was not insane, he was simply celebrating to finally see the death by suicide of Stupidity

Nero was a forefather of today's progressive left and Dems like Hillary. With self-indulgent delusions of god-hood, Nero arranged to have a large section of the city burned to the ground, only later to blame it on those innocent, yet despised Christians, before embarking on a reign of terror, which included using people as human torches to light the night for orgy-like blood games.

Mark said...

For Those Who Have Forgotten --

From a November 3, 2000, news story --

What is Clintonism? It is less a political philosophy than a power philosophy. Reduced to a bumper sticker, it reads, "The Ends Justify the Means." As a practical policy, it expresses itself in blatant lies and stonewalling, threats and character assassination, Internal Revenue Service audits of opponents and the menacing of inconvenient women. In its ill-concealed contempt for congressional subpoenas and court orders, it betrays a disturbing executive disregard for the legislative and judicial branches of government, whose powers, of course, are essential to our system of checks and balances. As a guiding national ethos, its corrosive impact on society hasn't yet been fully reckoned, but its success to date is what makes this election so crucial.

Is Clintonism America's future? Considering how comfortably well-off most Americans are, the question may fall on indifferent ears. Maybe the question should be: Can Clintonism hurt America? There are many ways to answer this affirmatively. We can look at the rise of cheating among school children who seem to have learned from Mr. Clinton and his loyal-to-a-fault vice president that crime does pay; or we can consider, painfully, the numbing sexual practices of teen-agers whom Mr. Clinton, through his grotesque indiscretions, has robbed of their innocence (not to mention the rest of us). But are there more palpable, perhaps more immediate threats to the nation that may also be put down to the amoral roots of Clintonism? . . .

What about the law? What about checks and balances on the executive branch? What about the Constitution? These, alas, are just some of the casualties of Clintonism.

-- The Washington Times, November 3, 2000

walter said...

Yes..bigger than Trump..and maybe a stopgap.
The thing is..I'm not confident the left are more willing than the right to stay home.
Sukie?

narciso said...

it's curious you say that, because national geographic, had a piece, where they downplayed nero's arson tendencies and christian hating, in favor of his support for subsidies and public works and his common touch, this happened last year,

walter said...

Apparently the historical record has varying interpretations...
You know..one man's barbaric human orgy torch is another's alternative energy..

narciso said...

I found it a somewhat disturbing development,

walter said...

Mayeb there's a tortured path to integrate the more contemporary "Berno"..Sanders' contribution to alternative resources via flaming toilet paper rolls...

Saint Croix said...

I would not hire Donald Trump to run my business and I would not hire Hillary Clinton to run my business. If this is a job interview, I would not hire either of them.

I like Gary Johnson, as a person, even if he is a pothead and his thoughts on Roe v. Wade are really bad, "Thomas Jefferson was a slave-owner," I tell myself. "He's got a moral blind spot and his Supreme Court nominee might be awful. Or it might be good."

Needless to say I would not hire a socialist to run my business.

(One might object to the talking of our country as if it's a business to be run, but I find it helpful to think of the campaign season as a job interview, and I'm making a hiring decision. Who do I hire?)

We like to have the illusion that our vote matters. In the aggregate they do, of course. But conformity has never been my strong suit. I feel no need to conform or vote for the winning side. I'm from the South. I'm quite happy to vote for an honorable loser than a shitty winner. Our obsessions with wins and losses is what has brought us to this point.

I am voting for Evan McMullin, if I can, or Gary Johnson, if I cannot. Not sure about the write-in procedures in my state. People who think I am wasting my vote have a rather pompous regard for the importance of their own vote. I've only got one vote. It matters to me. I have to live with it. So I vote my conscience as best I can. I would like to think I have at least a chance of affecting the outcome, so it's not a joke vote. McMullin might win Utah. And I think it would be beneficial for our society to have this election end up in the House.

He's a CIA guy, and a Mormon, so it's easy enough to demonize him. But I really appreciate his Ted talk. Anyway, I'm hoping he wins Utah. If he does, it's mathematically possible that he wins the White House.

People might think my vote is ridiculous, but I'm not result-oriented. The results are not up to me. What matters to me is how I vote. I don't mind long shots. I'm an artist, that's cool.

Mark said...

The above account is from the contemporary Roman history of the era, as recorded in The Annals of Tacitus, written in the late first century.

walter said...

"People might think my vote is ridiculous, but I'm not result-oriented."
Umm..True. That's kinda..ridiculous.
But you can order the "Don't blame me. I didn't vote for __" bumper sticker.

Mark said...

This election, there are only two voting alternatives --

(1) a vote to stop Hillary, which means pushing the button for the only other candidate who can possibly win

(2) a vote which does not even attempt to stop Hillary, or which even supports her, which means either staying home, a third-party or write-in, or a vote expressly for her

Washing your hands of the matter, letting the chips fall where they may because you do not want to dirty yourself by casting a Trump vote because of your superior morality, means doing nothing to stop Hillary and, hence, increasing the chances of her coming to power. Sorry, there is no keeping your hands clean this election.

When, in years to come, people ask, "What did you do to stop her?", do you want your answer to be, "Nothing."

Fen said...

"Nero was a forefather of - "

Yah, but I like my version better.

And apparently, the new rage is making up fantasy narratives and believing them into reality. So I'm giving it a whirl. Not going to do the "I believe in fairies" thing for Tink though. That's a crock too far.

Fen said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
Saint Croix said...

Umm..True. That's kinda..ridiculous.

Not to lawyers. Or philosophers. Or artists.

When, in years to come, people ask, "What did you do to stop her?", do you want your answer to be, "Nothing."

I'm a smooth talker, I think I can come up with a better answer than "Nothing."

Your answer is going to be, "I voted with millions of my fellow Americans and we lost because of those idiots who voted for her so grumble, grumble, grumble, failed to stop her, now go away you snippy punk."

If you were serious about stopping her as the end-all and be-all of this election season, you should have nominated a more impressive Republican. Not to say "I told you so," but that's what you get for talking shit about Evan McMillan.

And you should click on my link, by the way. It's worth your time.

rcocean said...

"I would not hire Donald Trump to run my business"

LOL! I guess that would make a little sense, if you had turned $5 million into $5 Billion like Trump did.

But I guess you're much smarter than Trump. I mean what does he know about business?

I look forward to your run for POTUS. I'm sure you'll show what a moron Trump has been.

walter said...

Saint Croix said...I'm a smooth talker,

Ha! Really? Not displaying it so far.

rcocean said...

Seriously, it amazes me that the "Respectable Class" all think they are smarter than Trump. Oh, he's so vulgar. How did someone of his *type* ever become a POTUS candidate?

And his politics. How plebeian and bourgeois to think we should negotiate good trade deals and have border security. He actually thinks we should be a Country!

The idea!

rcocean said...

Trump has done something unheard of in POTUS election history. Without holding any political office, he has run for President and vanquished all the professional politicians and now has a chance to be President.

Despite the fact that the entire political establishment (including his own parties) oppose him. Despite the fact, the the super-rich and their lapdog media oppose him and lie about him 24/7. Despite the fact that 45% of the USA are so damn stupid they'd vote for Satan if had (D) after his name.

He talks almost every other day to large crowds without a script. He went on TV almost every other day for over a year answering questions from the hostile MSM. Meanwhile, Hillary never answers hostile questions and makes a scripted appearance every week or 10 day.s

Yet, Trump is the Dummy. LOL!

Saint Croix said...

Ha! Really? Not displaying it so far.

I am not trying to convince anybody to vote for Evan McMillan. Althouse asked who we are voting for, and I am responding to her question.

If, in 2044, some snot-nosed punk asks me why I failed to stop Hillary Clinton, hopefully I will have picked up some debating tips from Walter and will be able to answer that question.

In the meantime, vote your conscience, it's all good.

Achilles said...

"I'm a smooth talker, I think I can come up with a better answer than "Nothing.""

You might be a smooth talker, but you are still a liar.

"If you were serious about stopping her as the end-all and be-all of this election season, you should have nominated a more impressive Republican. Not to say "I told you so," but that's what you get for talking shit about Evan McMillan."

Stupid twaddle masquerading as intellectualism. Evan McMillan believes in open borders, stupid wars, and global warming just like all the other "more impressive republicans." None of them would fair any better against the media than Trump has. In fact they all would be getting smashed because all of those "impressive republicans" have been doing absolutely nothing since we sent them to DC and the republican voters hate the cowards.

You can pretend your shit smells like strawberries and bitch about Trump. McMillan is a copout. It is a bitch move. A safe space. Nobody wants to hear it. You people are not as special as you think you are. Quite the contrary cowardice is quite common.

walter said...

Saint Croix,
You will be held up with same (less) esteem as those who voted..Perot.
"Who?"

Saint Croix said...

You will be held up with same (less) esteem as those who voted..Perot.

I don't vote for the esteem of other people. I never have. That's a ridiculous way to vote.

walter said...

Cool..you will have clean hands. Because they never touched anything real. Kudos ;)

walter said...

Scalia's wife may have a Trump sign in yard per 22 min in clip.

Saint Croix said...

Cool..you will have clean hands.

No, I fuck up all the time!

But the fate of the country does not hinge on me or my vote.

My suggestion is that people pray to God for help and guidance.

Several months ago, I asked the Lord who I should vote for, and I got a response, in English, that popped up in my brain. "Donald Trump."

From various prayer escapades I have decided that answers to prayers in English are not to be trusted. I do trust warm feelings, sparkles in the eye, and sunsets.

Anyway, I am now praying for the Lord to look after us, and let the best candidate win who will help govern our country. It's in the Lord's hands, not really up to me.

rcocean said...

"In the meantime, vote your conscience, it's all good."

I guess when Hillary is coronated as Queen with the approval of Chief Justice Kagan, you'll hug yourself for being so noble.

Its Thomas More all over again.

rcocean said...

Anyone who doesn't vote for Trump is in reality voting for Hillary.

That's real life.

In 1917 and 1933 the people who stayed home and those who were "too noble" to vote for the only people who could stop Lenin and Hitler - might as well have voted for them. The result was the same.

Unknown said...

Agrippina had long been a problem to Nero, always interfering as she did and quarreling about who should be murdered and who shouldn't. Since he owed her everything for murdering Claudius, he had hoped to kill her as gently as possible. He did not want her to suffer, and he went to some lengths to prevent it. He gave her quick poison three times without result, then he fixed the ceiling of her bedroom so it would fall and crush her as she slept. Of course that didn't work. It never does. Either the ceiling doesn't fall or the victim sleeps on the sofa that night.

Next, he attempted to drown her by means of a boat with a collapsible bottom, but the vessel sank too slowly and she swam away like a mink. Nero then lost his head completely, as who wouldn't, and told his freedman, Anicetus, to try anything. Anicetus, a rude but sensible fellow, went and got a club and beat her to death. Maybe the Cave Men knew best.

We cannot be sure how many others Nero murdered, since some of the stories are probably mere gossip. You know how it is. Once you kill a few people, you get a bad name. You're blamed for every corpse that turns up for miles around and anything else that goes wrong.

Take the great fire that destroyed most of Rome in A.D. 64. They say he started it. Be that as it may, he did not fiddle during the conflagration, for the violin had not yet been invented. He played the lyre and sang of the Fall of Troy. What's so awful about that? Of course he shouldn't have tortured so many Christians to prove that they did it. A few would have been plenty.[1]

Anyhow, he rebuilt the city on a more modern plan. The chief improvement was his Golden House, as he called it, an imperial residence a mile long, equipped with a revolving banquet hall, walls of gold and jewels, machines for squirting perfume in all directions, a duplex apartment for his pet ape, and a statue of himself 120 feet high. When he moved in, he said that at least he was beginning to live like a human being. I have been unable to think of an adequate comeback to that remark. You try it.

Nero's singing has occasioned unfavorable comment, quite aside from the fire episode. He sang and sang, in private and in public, accompanied by his lyre, five thousand applauders chosen for their endurance, and a regiment of soldiers with drawn swords. He would step to the front of the stage with his per sonal bodyguard and ask his audience if they had ever heard a better singer. They always said no, they hadn't.[2] If you have been wondering why Nero sang, the answer is clear enough. People sing because they think they can sing.[3]

He made his professional debut at Naples five years after the death of his mother. She was spared that, at least. The theatre was shaken by an earthquake during the show and collapsed after the final selection. Nero got away. Lightning frequently struck near the scene of his concerts. It missed him.

He also went to Greece and sang for a year and a half, after which he returned to Italy and sang. Forty-one citizens conspired to slaughter him, but something went wrong.[4] Then he announced a recital at which he would play the pipe organ, the flute, and the bagpipes and sing a tragedy set to music by himself. The legions rose in Gaul and the Senate declared him a public enemy. As the troops advanced on Rome, Nero proposed to go and meet them and win their hearts by singing a few songs. Somebody had to explain. Assisted by Epaphroditus, his private secretary, he cut his throat on June 9, A.D. 68, the anniversary of his first wife's murder. Well, we're none of us perfect.

2 Nero's voice was thin and weak. Had it possessed more volume, it would have been worse.

3 At the age of twelve Nero had shown a lively interest in the arts, particularly music, painting, sculpture, and poetry. Why was nothing done about this?

4 I don't mind singers so much, if only they wouldn't practice.

rcocean said...

"Anyway, I am now praying for the Lord to look after us, and let the best candidate win who will help govern our country. It's in the Lord's hands, not really up to me."

Yeah well. That's what they said in 1917. God willed Lenin to take over. And God willed Hitler.

Personally, I'm just going to take all my money and bet it on the roulette wheel. Its all in God's hands. If he wants my family to starve - it'll come up Red. If not, I'm a wealthy man - unlike that Dumbass trump.

walter said...

Blogger Saint Croix said...
I am now praying for the Lord to look after us, and let the best candidate win who will help govern our country. It's in the Lord's hands, not really up to me.
--
Part A blather not withstanding, yes..you have o[ted out.
How does that feel?
Ah..no matter..by definition.

Douglas said...

Hillary is likely to continue the downward decline of the US under Obama. She might be a little more strategic and stronger on foreign policy, but on domestic policy we can expect her to continue Obama's policy of sacrificing economic growth for whatever lefty fad floats by. As for Donny, who knows? He's what I would label as high variance. There's a chance he could be OK, even good, if he listened to Speaker Ryan. There's a chance he could be awful, far worse than Hillary, if he listens to Steven Bannon. So he's a crap-shoot.
Me, I'm backing Sweet Meteor of Death.

Freder Frederson said...

killed one of the men protesting the land grab in Nevada.

Unless you are referring to taking land from Native Americans or the Spanish, there was no "land grab" in Nevada. The federal government has owned that land since it became part of the U.S. (maybe a little less, if it was granted to a tribe and that treaty was nullified).

vicari valdez said...

if donald trump wins the election its solely because of the people who voted for and supported him and not those who didn't vote for him.

it seems like a simple enough concept but i guess emotions run high at this point in the election. since not voting for a candidate is the same as voting for their opponent i’ve already voted for hillary as i'm not voting for trump.

the thing that gets me most steamed about liberals and their electoral fervor is that they don’t even seem capable of understanding why someone wouldn't vote beyond either 'laziness' or 'stupidity' like it's not the hell circus on a four-year cycle.

they don't give a single fucking inch any election. maybe it's because they don't want to address that they are robbing us of democratic power that we could otherwise have with very simple electoral reforms and instead want to frame it as a moral issue in which they somehow have the high ground.

or maybe they really are that smug.

i mean, at least in canada the liberals have to make empty promises of electoral reform in order to get elected. they at least have to address that it is a thing that exists that they are denying to the people.

here it’s just, 'WHAT BUT SO YOU LOVE TRUMP?'

Jupiter said...

Saint Croix said...
"I would not hire Donald Trump to run my business and I would not hire Hillary Clinton to run my business. If this is a job interview, I would not hire either of them."

You have a business? I thought you said you were a sky pilot. Now you're an artist? What kind of artist?

Fen said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
Fen said...

"It's in the Lord's hands, not really up to me"

I used to have a lot of Mormon friends. Good people, salt of the earth. A little bit cultish, but I would trade 10 of my real life friends for 1 of them.

No longer. Ditched them all. Why? They won't fight. They are like the Ents, willing to watch the West fall forever while they stick to some "principle".

This election was the kicker. Their refusal to support Trump is based on his playboy lifestyle, his lewd remarks about women, etc. So I asked them:"Churchill was a drunk and a sexist, but without him, England never would have rallied and defeated the Nazi. Would you have kept him out of office (Lord of the Admiralty and then Prime Minister) based on his sinful lifestyle? Even though that would have meant millions of more Jews put in ovens, the fall of Europe to Hitler, and even the eventual conquering of the Americas by the Nazi?"

Yes, they said.

So screw them. God warns not to forsake this world while anticipating the next. But they are willing to let millions suffer and die so *they* can get to heaven. The would watch a woman be gangraped right on their doorstep but refuse to use lethal force to stop him, because that might stain their souls with blood.

I'm tired of defending the Religious Liberty of those who refuse to fight alongside me. I'm tired of getting beat up by the Left while the Mormons and Christians stand back with "clean" hands. Hillary Clinton will persecute you and everything you hold dear. And I'm just going to watch, laugh, and keep *my* hands clean.

SukieTawdry said...

So Sukie, are you in an area where your vote can't possibly matter?

Why yes, yes I am. Can't remember the last time a vote of mine counted for anything. California's primary is so late, even that's usually decided by the time the vote gets around to me--most of the time my candidate of choice isn't even in the running anymore. So it affords me the luxury of making meaningless gestures, that is, voting my conscience, voting my preference. It's pretty much all I've got. I'm a permanent mail-in voter (no polling place) and while they have to count my presidential ballot, much of the time everything's been decided before they start counting the absentee ballots and many of my votes don't get counted at all. Somehow I don't think this is the way it's supposed to work.

Jan said...

I agree with many here about the importance of exercising your vote, even if it means the candidate choice may not be "perfect" in all ways. In this election - one driven more by distracting personality flaws than policy - people should be evaluating the long range consequences of who wins this election. Refusing to vote the top of the ticket or casting a feminine vote for HRC will only accelerate the direction that BO has taken this country. There is no getting off the hook, no moral neutral spot in this election where one can stand by and claim their conscience as some Godly excuse for refusing to vote for the GOP nominee, if you call yourself a moderate or conservatively-inclined.

mockturtle said...

As I emailed my daughter this morning:

Jesus said, Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and unto God the things that are God's. Voting for a political candidate, to me, falls under the 'Caesar's' category. As does nationhood. We happen to live in the US and are citizens with citizen privileges, just as the Apostle Paul was a citizen of Rome and exercised his Roman privileges.

Saint Croix said...

You have a business?

Saint Croix Studios. One man operation. We are very poor. That's the royal "we" because it's a one-man operation. Although I do have a crew I can put together if and when I raise enough money.

I thought you said you were a sky pilot.

No. God is my pilot. I'm more like a passenger. Or a stowaway.

Now you're an artist? What kind of artist?

Poor!