April 20, 2016

Norwegian trial court finds that the conditions of confinement violate the rights of Anders Behring Breivik — who killed 77 persons in a politically-motivated rampage.

He's kept in a surprisingly lovely 3-room suite that has windows, a treadmill, a refrigerator, a TV, and a PlayStation. But he's alone there, and he argued that is torture. The judge agreed.
Mr. Breivik claimed that he had been on a “martyr operation” to stop a Muslim invasion of Europe.... He was sentenced to 21 years in prison, the maximum, though he could serve longer if he is deemed a threat to society....

[At trial, Breivik] complained about his microwave dinners and cold coffee. He gave a Nazi-style salute and said he had renounced his faith in Christ in favor of the Norse god Odin. He demanded the right to publish a political tract every third year, in print or online, and said he had written two books already, “The Breivik Diaries” and “The Nordic State,” but was not allowed to seek publication of them....

Cato Hemmingby, a scholar at the Norwegian Police University College who co-wrote a book on Mr. Breivik, said in an interview that it was “especially the lack of access to the Internet and the communication control” that had angered Mr. Breivik....

83 comments:

The BubFather said...

In college, I lived in a dorm for four years. At one point, I lived with three other pigs in three rooms. THAT was torture.

Eric the Fruit Bat said...

Sounds like Odin is the kind of god who gets things done.

Chuck said...


Mr. Brevik, I'd like to introduce you to Mr. McVeigh...

Ignorance is Bliss said...

But he's alone there, and he argued that is torture. The judge agreed.
Mr. Breivik claimed that he had been on a “martyr operation” to stop a Muslim invasion of Europe...


So give him a couple Muslim roommates. Problem solved.

Gahrie said...

It would probably be cheaper just to house him in the Oslo Marriot anyway....

Paddy O said...

While part of me can appreciate turning towards Odin, I suspect his turning away from Christ happened a long, long time ago and that he didn't turn towards the norse god of wisdom. Methinks Breivik needs to be hanged on a tree until he wises up.

Mike Sylwester said...

At least he doesn't have the problem that nobody will use his toilet, sink or shower stall after he has used it.

Nyamujal said...

"Shortly before his deadly rampage on July 22, Anders Behring Breivik did something millions of people do today — he checked in one last time with his friends on Facebook. The farewell message he posted was just as much a part of his murderous plan as the carnage he was about to unleash in Oslo and at a tranquil island retreat, which left at least 93 people dead in the bloodiest act of terrorism in Norway since World War II.

The document, 2083: A European Declaration of Independence, is something of a template for right-wing terrorism, a rambling manifesto that at times rails at "cultural Marxists" and "multiculturalism" and blames them for the destruction of Western culture. Elsewhere he offers detailed instructions on Web-based self-publishing, comments on his TV habits and provides tips for building a successful terrorist cell. "

Let's just give him a writing gig on Breitbart or the Daily Mail and call it even.

"Bjorn Ihler, one of the survivors of the Utoya massacre, said on Twitter that the ruling was a "sign we have a working court system, respecting human rights even under extreme conditions."
"Our best weapon in fighting extremism is humanity. The ruling in the Breivik case shows that we acknowledge the humanity of extremists too," he wrote."

The difference between good and evil, savagery and civilization, laid bare.

Dr Weevil said...

The 'cruel and unusual' argument cuts both ways: surely rooming him with other prisoners would be cruel and unusual punishment for them, and they are unlikely to have committed crimes even one-tenth as deserving of punishment as he has.

Alexander said...

Eh,

If Europeans want to insist that it's wrong to send back migrants charged of rape to their homelands, because bad things might happen to them, then it seems more than fair that the native son gets a bit of company.

Or maybe they're hedging their bets. From William Tell to Francis Drake to Skanderbeg to Vlad Tepes to Charles Martel to Holger Danske, yesterday's bloodthirsty murderers are tomorrow's national heroes who saved the nation from the barbarous invading hoards and the traitors from within. Seems a small thing to give him if you think there's a danger, however small, that the local rabble might one day decide that he had a point: both regarding the threat and the enabler.

Roughcoat said...

Crazy world, this is. Crazy planet.

Norway is an ass.

Bay Area Guy said...

Death penalty by firing squad would have solved the problem.

Roughcoat said...

How does a lone gunmen kill 93 people? Why didn't someone try to jump him from behind while he was unloading on all those people in his line of sight? Where were the Norwegian men? Do they still have their balls?

In the interests of fairness I'll ask the same question about the Virginia Tech shooter.

And, yes, I've intervened on behalf of people who are getting violently victimized. More than once. That's all I'll say about that.

Blue Ox said...

He was given the maximum sentence at his trial in 2012.

The maximum sentence is 21 years.

He's already completed 20%.

Life would be so much better if we could only be more like Scandinavia.

coupe said...

For just airfare and a hotel for the night, I could do a lobotomy on him. I'm not kidding, I'm really good, with an 80% survival rate!

Sal said...

...he had renounced his faith in Christ in favor of the Norse god Odin.

I did this too, and now I can sleep in on Sunday mornings.

walter said...

Yeah..he shouldn't have to live in isoloation.
He should have a steady stream of visits from friends and families of those he killed...taking turns wielding a high pressure hose of scalding coffee...

damikesc said...

Should've given him an XBox too.

Europe will not love their new Muslim overlords.

Bryan C said...

Ok. So the judge is telling us to make sure that the next Anders Behring Breivik does not survive long enough to be imprisoned. Thanks. That's pretty good advice.

Bryan C said...

"Sounds like Odin is the kind of god who gets things done."

He's on a schedule. Ragnarok has a way of focusing the mind.

walter said...

Roughcoat said...
How does a lone gunmen kill 93 people? Why didn't someone try to jump him from behind while he was unloading on all those people in his line of sight? Where were the Norwegian men? Do they still have their balls?
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"Our best weapon in fighting extremism is humanity. The ruling in the Breivik case shows that we acknowledge the humanity of extremists too,"

Winning...

mikee said...

Note to self: choose the country of any future murderous rampage very, very carefully.

walter said...

"Police officers are not armed with firearms during patrolling, but have weapons locked down in the patrol cars. Arming of the locked-down weapons requires permission from the chief of police or someone designated by him"

Patrick said...

Give him a gun and some ammo, drop him off in Syria. Win/Win.

bagoh20 said...

The Vikings have always been a bit arbitrary about how to treat the innocent verses the guilty. They've always tended to err on the side of unfair.

Purvi Rajani said...

You get the behaviour you incentivize.

As an aside, this icnident could make for a great episode of Lillehammer, which does a show that does a nice job of satirizing the Norwegian nanny-state.

cubanbob said...

Sorry Hagar, but your former country seems to have a death wish. How many people does one have to kill in Norway to get something that resembles a real prison sentence in a sane country?

Freeman Hunt said...

Some stories make you appreciate your own country. Our prison system has many, many problems, but this is not one of them.

Freeman Hunt said...

He killed 77 people. Being utterly alone seems an especially appropriate punishment.

Quaestor said...

Do they still have their balls?

1) Norway gave the 2008 Nobel Peace Prize to Barack Obama for "meritorious non-accomplishments".
2) "Survivalist" Kristoffer Clausen thinks living in a hotel for a year is equivalent to roughing it in the wilderness. (see Anders Behring Breivik vs Microwave Oven)
3) Norway's leading newspaper Aftenposten refused to publish the famous "Mohammad with a bomb in his turban" drawn by Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard except as a unrecognizable pixelation (see Harvard University Press vs Testosterone)
4) Antisemitism. Norwegians hate Jews. Norwegians love Arabic Muslims. Both groups can be considered semitic. One group rewards murder with honor in this world and 72 virgins in the next. The other considers murder the most heinous sin. Norway has an ever-increasing Muslim population (300,000 at least) and an ever-decreasing Jewish population (less than 800). By 2020 Norway will be Europe's first Judenrein state since WWII.

The last genuine Norwegian with balls: Joachim Rønneberg, age 97, the last surviving member of the "Heroes of Telemark".

All current gonads in Norway swing between Muslim legs. Sorry, but that's the unvarnished veritas.

William said...

Say this for the Norwegians. They'll make him do the full twenty one years. El Chappo, who has a body count in the thousands, has only been sentenced until such time as he can arrange his next escape. That won't be more than seven years.

Gabriel said...

This is why we need to keep capital punishment on the books, because once it's eliminated the usual suspects will never stop redefining "cruel and unusual". They already oppose life in prison. Fundamentally they oppose punishment.

Sam L. said...

Breivik just needs to suck-it-up and DO the TIME.

Char Char Binks said...

I'm all broken up about that Norwegian's rights.

Quaestor said...

Bjorn Ihler, one of the survivors of the Utoya massacre, said on Twitter that the ruling was a "sign we have a working court system, respecting human rights even under extreme conditions".

How did Ihler manage to survive? Logic supposition: he hid well.

Our best weapon in fighting extremism is humanity. The ruling in the Breivik case shows that we acknowledge the humanity of extremists too.

How did Ihler arrive at this conclusion? Logic supposition: he's still hiding.

AlbertAnonymous said...

Not fair for him to be alone? Great. Put him in the general population.

Subway Jared didn't fare so well....

Quaestor said...

Norway is a comfort society. They measure the value of their socialist model on the comfort of their citizens. The ideal Norwegian is basically the human equivalent of a bacon hog — lazy, content, and oblivious to his inevitable fate. Consequently someone who isn't comfortable must be the victim of unfair treatment.

Nyamujal said...

@Quaestor
"How did Ihler manage to survive? Logic supposition: he hid well."

"Tugging frantically at the water-logged jumper dragging him down in the lake, Björn Ihler turned to the shore. Ten metres away, killer Anders Breivik watched his desperation, poised for his chance.

The crazed gunman and the 20-year-old locked glances for a second.

Then Breivik took aim.

“He looked calm, focused. I re­­­member the feeling in that second, the feeling of ‘I’m going to die now, this is my last moment’. It was an acceptance in the end,” says Björn, quietly. “It was almost serene.

“And then he pulled his trigger, fired – and missed. The bullet could only have been centimetres away.”

This is the moment Björn, now 23, relives in nightmares, the moment he almost became Breivik’s 78th murder victim four years ago this July, on the idyllic Norwegian island of Utoya."

Most of the people he killed were teens attending a youth camp.

Quaestor said...

Imagine Flight 93 with mostly Norwegian passengers on board.

Nyamujal said...

@Quaestor
So, everyone's default response to an attack or threat should be fight and not flight.
I've been in a few fistfights but if my assailant had a gun, I don't know what I would've done.
You seem very certain of what you'd do in a hypothetical active shooter situation.

Quaestor said...

The difference between good and evil, savagery and civilization, laid bare.

Hardly. This is an example of a civilization in its death throes. Seventy-three dead, and the only reason it was not seventy-four was poor marksmanship. I am not convinced that with a modicum of selfless courage Breivik could not have been overpowered well before that seventy-third victim died.

Gathered on this beach of the tumid river...
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

rehajm said...

...and a PlayStation. But he's alone there

With Playstation online multiplayer games you're never alone. Does Anders know this? Maybe he does but they won't let him play and that's why he's calling torture...

Quaestor said...

So, everyone's default response to an attack or threat should be fight and not flight.

"Default response..." Congratulations on your textbook post-postmodernist phraseology, borrowed as it is from CompSci jargon. "Default response" is hardly an adequate description of the what constitutes duty, the moral obligation everyone owes to anyone in mortal peril.

Perhaps we should imagine you, Nyamujal, as a passenger aboard Flight 93. Instead of shouting "Let's roll!" perhaps you'd whine a nasally "Let's roll over"?

You seem very certain of what you'd do in a hypothetical active shooter situation.

Not seem, nor hypothetical.

Nyamujal said...

"Congratulations on your textbook post-postmodernist phraseology, borrowed as it is from CompSci jargon. "Default response" is hardly an adequate description of the what constitutes duty, the moral obligation everyone owes to anyone in mortal peril. Perhaps we should imagine you, Nyamujal, as a passenger aboard Flight 93. Instead of shouting "Let's roll!" perhaps you'd whine a nasally "Let's roll over"?"

It's not post modernist phraseology, it's psychology. I don't know what I'd do and I don't blame someone for an innate flight reaction that's largely outside consciousness. You're assuming that volitional choices were readily available to those teens facing mortal danger, when it is possible that maybe they were frozen, unable to act and think clearly when someone dressed in a police uniform was approaching them with a gun drawn.

Active shooter preparedness trains people to run and hide first - http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/how-to-survive-a-mass-shooting-1726863100

Quaestor said...

Congrats on a record-setting bullshit-to-word count ratio, Nyamujal. "Volitional choices..." That would be mildly humorous if it were not such typically sophomoric psycho-babble.

And everyone knows Gizmodo is the authority on everything, don't we?

Quaestor said...

Just what kind of choices are not "volitional", Nyamujal?

Nyamujal said...

"That would be mildly humorous if it were not such typically sophomoric psycho-babble."

At least it isn't action movie hero posturing.

"And everyone knows Gizmodo is the authority on everything, don't we?"

Do you disagree with the content, which BTW is what the DHS also recommends (https://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/active_shooter_booklet.pdf)? Attacking the source is easy.

bagoh20 said...

Didn't most of the dead choose the option of run and hide? Did any try to fight?

bagoh20 said...

Maybe if one or two, but definitely if 4 our more chose to fight the death toll would have ended at that point.

JPS said...

Nyamujal,

"So, everyone's default response to an attack or threat should be fight and not flight."

I've never been caught in a mass shooting, but I have been trained to react to a near ambush. So I don't know what I'd have done - maybe I'd have hid, or stood still and prayed for a miss - but I do know what I hope I would do. And no, this is not action movie hero posturing.

The drill is to turn into it and charge. Because you probably won't survive, but guess what? This is not a fair fight. It was designed not to be. Your odds are very poor either way, but if you fight you might survive, and at the very least you might take the bastard(s) down with you. A person shot straight through the heart remains very dangerous for some crucial seconds after that. Even lethal wounds are often not instantly incapacitating.

It's not a natural act, charging into a hail of gunfire. That's why we train on it. And it's my unscientific opinion that Flight maximizes a given individual's chance of surviving, whereas Fight would result in fewer total deaths.

MikeR said...

Disgusting story. But this is the logical ultimate conclusion of those who think they are more moral because they oppose the death penalty.

Fernandinande said...

"Anders is a troubled, lonely, sad little boy. He needs to be isolated from everyone."

JPS said...

PS to Nyamujal: You are right that a lot of active shooter preparedness training advises we Run first, Hide if we can't run, Fight as a last resort; and that some fairly august authorities may be cited here. I continue to think this is misguided, and that more people will die in mass shootings following this advice than if everyone close enough pounced on the shooter, every time.

Nyamujal said...

"It's not a natural act, charging into a hail of gunfire. That's why we train on it. And it's my unscientific opinion that Flight maximizes a given individual's chance of surviving, whereas Fight would result in fewer total deaths."

That argument has its merits. We can talk about how effective that approach is, but I imagine none of those teens on the island underwent the training you're talking about. Suggesting that they could've reacted differently and that their response is indicative of a "civilization in its death throes" is a bit of a stretch.

James Pawlak said...

Norway is the "nation" which has government officials and university administrators who make excuses for and cover up the horrid crimes of Muslim incomers, women being the first victims of such. They accuse those who would protect that land's culture and Western civilization as "right wing terrorists".

I do wonder how much Arab "oil money" was needed to BUY those new "Quislings".

Nyamujal said...

@James Pawlak

The Muslim population of Norway is 2.1%, so that's 106,735 people out of a little over 5 million people. Norway has a birth rate that's higher than some other European countries and it seems like the benefits awarded by the Norwegian government to parents (maternity leave,etc) incentivize natives to start families. I don't an Islamic demographic threat to Norway's future. France, Germany, the UK on the other hand, maybe...
The key challenge is to find a way to assimilate existing immigrants without adding to the pool. Perhaps Europeans should learn how to do that from us.

Achilles said...

77 people.

Private apartment free food treadmill video games free rent no work...

I am not going to say anything more I could get in trouble.

Quaestor said...

The Muslim population of Norway is 2.1%, so that's 106,735 people out of a little over 5 million people.

Deceptive. That figure includes only Muslims who hold Norwegian citizenship. If one includes so-called migrants the figure is unknown, but exceeds 300,000.

Quaestor said...

Do you disagree with the content, which BTW is what the DHS also recommends.

Yes. Firstly because the DHS has repeatedly demonstrated a completely non-serious, kiss-it-and-make-it-well approach to homeland security with policies such as refusing to use the provenly effective method of security popularly known as profiling. El Al has been safe from terrorist incidents for more than thirty years thanks in part to profiling. A serious agency seriously devoted to homeland security would learn from more experienced agencies abroad. The fact that DHS does not reveals both hubris and hypocrisy at the policy-making levels.

Secondly because the run and hide advice is ludicrous in light of actual mass-shooting crimes. Persons who desire to inflict mass mayhem choose when and where primarily to make running and hiding a stupid option that works in the criminal's favor. Consider the case of James Holmes who murdered 12 and wounded 59 in a cinema theater. How could running or hiding possibly avail those people. By hiding below the seats or running for the exits the movie-goers only simplified Holmes's deadly task. There are no walls or furniture that offer reliable protection against modern firearms, hide behind a desk and you only offer your assailant a stationary target.

The real reason why the DHS advises running and hiding is philosophical. DHS is a cabinet-level agency under the control of an administration with a fundamental objection to firearms in the hands of private citizens, and a tragicomically arrogant confidence in its own mostly delusionary competence. If the Constitution was no impediment I am quite convinced that President Obama would attempt to disarm the law-abiding American citizen, making him just as vulnerable as those 73 Norwegians on Utoya (Why do you suppose Breivik choose an island for the scene of his crime, hmm?). He has already done this to Federal entities that have as the raison d'être the deadly use of arms, which is why the victims of two (count 'em!) mass shooting at Fort Hood had no means of self-defence. Obama Administration policy has put American soldiers in the absurd position of relying on military police and even local civil police for protection against terrorists. The fiction of run-and-hide must be maintained by the DHS and other mouthpieces of the Obama Administration because to admit the fallacy is to admit the real justification of the right to keep and bear arms.

Birches said...

What Gabriel said.

Birches said...

Another sign of the apocalypse.

Fritz said...

Eric the Fruit Bat said...
Sounds like Odin is the kind of god who gets things done.


You haven't seen any Frost Giants around lately, have you?

Roughcoat said...

March to the sound of the guns and never leave anyone behind.

Birches said...

Let's look at the bright side. It appears that everyone, both right and left, thinks the Norwegians are out of their minds on this.

Quaestor said...

March to the sound of the guns and never leave anyone behind.

Or when in doubt win the fucking war.

Eric said...

How does a lone gunmen kill 93 people? Why didn't someone try to jump him from behind while he was unloading on all those people in his line of sight? Where were the Norwegian men? Do they still have their balls?

The victims were mostly teenagers at a camp on an island. They were trapped without anywhere to go. As I recall there were a handful of security guards, but they weren't armed.

Eric said...

He was given the maximum sentence at his trial in 2012.

The maximum sentence is 21 years.

He's already completed 20%.

Life would be so much better if we could only be more like Scandinavia.


Just because he didn't get a life sentence doesn't mean he'll ever get out of jail. When he's done they're just going to change the paperwork from "serving prison sentence" to "involuntarily committed for mental health reasons". He'll be moved to the care of another bureaucracy, and he'll get a new cell, but not much else is going to change.

The Scandis have their issues, but they're not stupid.

holdfast said...

"Bjorn Ihler, one of the survivors of the Utoya massacre, said on Twitter that the ruling was a "sign we have a working court system, respecting human rights even under extreme conditions."
"Our best weapon in fighting extremism is humanity. The ruling in the Breivik case shows that we acknowledge the humanity of extremists too," he wrote."

The difference between good and evil, savagery and civilization, laid bare.


The devolution of compassion into fucktardary laid bare.

I'm glad Jews don't have the New Testament. It's far too beta.

Hagar said...

There used to be institutions for the criminally insane, and Anders Breivik belongs in such a place as a permanent resident.
However, in America, the lawyers did away with such institutions in the 1970s, and I suppose Norway followed suit. The Norwegians do have a tendency to want to stay with the times, even up there by the Arctic Circle, and with the modern media, that generally means do what the Americans do.

Hagar said...

This year they must have a hell of a time trying to keep up!

Swede said...

Fuck that guy.

Alex said...

Norway is an excellent test case for what happens when you let liberalism run amok. Good, I hope they give him a new Playstation and a companion.

Alex said...

BTW - I'm sure his Playstation is offline...

Gahrie said...

He'll be moved to the care of another bureaucracy, and he'll get a new cell, but not much else is going to change.

I bet he doesn't. He might serve longer than 21, might, but there is no way he serves life.

Ken Mitchell said...

If he wants to worship Odin, then tie him to the mast of a Viking longship and set it on fire in the North Sea. Set the stereo to blast the final section of Gotterdamerung. It just doesn't get much more traditional than that.

Ken Mitchell said...

Eric said: " 'How does a lone gunmen kill 93 people? Why didn't someone try to jump him from behind while he was unloading on all those people in his line of sight? Where were the Norwegian men? Do they still have their balls?"1

The victims were mostly teenagers at a camp on an island. They were trapped without anywhere to go. As I recall there were a handful of security guards, but they weren't armed."

To quote my favorite science fiction authors Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle, "Think of it as evolution in action."

Brian McKim & Traci Skene said...

If we outlaw torture, only outlaws who kidnap your daughter and torture her in a soundproof basement will be able to use torture.

Comanche Voter said...

A dog is a good companion if you are lonesome. Even though he was a "lone wolf killer" he managed to kill 93 people.

So stick a lone wolf in his living quarters. Don't feed the wolf. Problem solved when the wolf gets hungry.

Mark said...

The humane thing to do with him would have been to execute him swiftly.

Assume he is evil, and has no desire or reason to repent. His only company is a vile, evil person with no desire or reason to repent.

Those are inhuman conditions. Just put him out of his misery.

Quaestor said...

The Scandis have their issues, but they're not stupid.

We'll see.

If the situation proceed to its logical conclusion by the time Breivik's sentence is complete the operative law in Norway will be sharia. Then the question will be something along the lines of is the killing of infidels a crime? Breivik may find himself endowed with a healthy cash settlement in this world and 72 virgins in the next.

cyrus83 said...

The man murdered 77. And yet somehow his rights have been violated. The fact that he is even alive at this point is a mercy almost no other culture in history would have seen fit to concede. And it's not even imprisonment in a stone cell in the depths of a filthy dungeon, but something very much better than what much of the third world gets to live in. Probably not the example to be setting when lots of immigrants for whom these conditions would be a significant upgrade are coming in. And if they get company/conjugal visits besides 3 rooms, 3 meals, video games, TV and internet? Buckle up Norway, lots of people would kill for that deal.

My personal opinion is to stick this judge in there with Breivik for company.

Owen said...

Norway seems to be deeply committed to Stockholm Syndrome. That may not be a strategy for long-term success but it does ease the cognitive stress of being a victim. If you can't overcome your captor, you identify with him. Here, thanks to the absurd constraints of Norway's penal laws, Breivik has effectively captured the state. Most of us here seem to think it should overcome that by changing its laws and imposing "commensurate" punishment. But the state can't, so it has to reconcile the irreconcilable by...showing sympathy and understanding to the new "victim" of the narrative. A narrative that Breivik, no fool he, is busily and noisily constructing.

As the memories of the dead and wounded fade, Breivik wil become ever more prominent in the history that Norway adopts.

Paul said...

And this is the socialist kind of country Bernie wants the US to be like.

Seventy seven people will never enjoy a life while this cretin lives in luxury.