February 9, 2016

It's some kind of revolution in New Hampshire...

... as far as I can tell, watching the pre-returns CNN. It's a lefty thing, I think. They're very jazzed up about Bernie Sanders. But what about Donald Trump? Isn't that a revolution too?

ADDED: Trump, winning by 18% or so, plays the song "Revolution."

171 comments:

WestVirginiaRebel said...

Yep, it looks like New Hampshire is feeling the Bern.

tim in vermont said...

I am thinking this isn't going to be a long night.

tim in vermont said...

Damn, over already!

gadfly said...

The Commie and the Narcissist - God help us all!

sean said...

If people on the left do it, it's called a revolution; if people on the right do it, it's called a temper tantrum. Recall the MSM TV coverage of the 1994 election.

tim in vermont said...

I hope Kasich gets a little mileage out of this.

Bob Boyd said...

Has Bernie asked for Secret Service protection yet?
If not, now might be a good time.

Original Mike said...

"The Commie and the Narcissist - God help us all!"

Yeah.

eric said...

If Rubio and Carson voters want Trump to lose, they need to coalesce around Cruz.

tim in vermont said...

It's still too early to get to a Cruz Trump battle royale.

David Begley said...

65% voted against Trump. This a three or four person race. This will change.

pm317 said...

Bernie the fraud.. he is the most unserious candidate I have seen who is given momentum by stupid gullible people who also voted for Obama last time.

Simon said...

I think that Republicans voted tactically for Trump in order to undercut Sanders' victory—
"Did you hear? Bernie won New Hampshire!"
"Yeah, but so did Trump, so who give a frak what THOSE bozos think?!"

Simon said...

"It's some kind of revolution in New Hampshire! The two candidates who had been leading in the polls won! It's a Cinderella story! #SpiritOfLepanto"

sydney said...

People around me in my real life were predicting Sanders and Trump would go the way of Howard Dean. Guess they were wrong.

Michael K said...

Best comment of the day over at The Hill.

What a joke the Democrat Party is. One candidate should be in a nursing home in Moscow and the other should be in an orange jumpsuit in Leavenworth.

I think this will be peak Bernie but the Democrats are desperate now.

wildswan said...

Over at CBS 2016 primaries site it shows Clinton with 384 delegates, Bernie with 29. Why is that?

http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/

n.n said...

The elites love Marxist derivative religions, ideologies, and economic systems that facilitate establishment of political, cultural, and economic monopolies. The fiefdoms directed by minority leaders, as the urban ghettos before them, will be hurt the most. Let them consume opiates.

Chuck said...

No, Professor. With all due respect (and I think considerable respect is due), it is not any sort of "revolution" for Trump.

It was one Professor Ann Althouse of Madision, Wisconsin who suggested that everyone not named Trump, Cruz or Rubio should drop out.

If you Take Donald Trump's 33% or so in New Hampshire, and compare it to the combined percentages of Kasich, Bush and Rubio, Trump is a loser. (We will of course need to wait to see final numbers. It's close, but I submit that I am right. If you split the Ted Cruz/Chris Christie/everybody else vote among them, Trump is still a primary loser.

sunsong said...

feelthebern!

Paco Wové said...

"Over at CBS 2016 primaries site it shows Clinton with 384 delegates, Bernie with 29. Why is that?"

It's a little Democratic Party quirk called superdelegates.

Chuck said...

A minute after I posted the foregoing, Charles Krauthammer was saying the same thing on FNC. With an added warning from Dr. Krauthammer that I did not suggest; the longer it goes on with Trump winning (with 30-35%) and the mainstream swim lane candidates keep splintering their vote, the better it is for Trump.

Gahrie said...

The support for both Trump and Sanders comes from the same motivation, and vastly different people. There are a large group of people fed up with the establishment of both parties. Think Tea Party and Occupy. Both of those movements appear to have failed. So now what? We tried to change the system and failed.....I know...lets burn the system down!

It appears that these groups are a minority...20% to 30% of each party. Hillary has taken her lumps, but it is hard to see Sanders succeeding. Trump has a better chance because his opposition is so divided....but I can't see him winning a two or three person race.

The question is...is the D.C. establishment paying attention...or do they even care?

Phil 3:14 said...

I'm seeing a Bloomberg in our future.

tim in vermont said...

The billionaires and bankers will not be denied in their own party, it will be Hillary, but she is beatable. I am more scared of Bernie. He can get back some of those working class white Democrats that the part elite has chased over to Republicans.

Gahrie said...

To be honest, in a Hillary, Trump, Bloomberg race...I'd probably vote Bloomberg.

Your \Master said...

Trump will win the election if he's pitted against either hillary or bernie
neither rubio or ted cruz have what it takes to bring down the clinton machine.
They are too weak and politically correct.

chickelit said...

The question is...is the D.C. establishment paying attention...or do they even care?

I think they're scared shitless and are asking themselves how are they going to pull this off. How are they going to make Hillary! and Jeb! likeable.

Congrats to both Trump and Sanders for their victories in NH!

wildswan said...

Thanks Paco for pointer to super delegate page. I didn't realize they committed this early. So about half have declared, all but 8 for Hillary. This means Bernie has a hill to climb just to come even and potentially the super delegates could take it away from him even if he won majorities in all the primaries. He has to win by such large majorities that he overcomes the almost 700 delegates that the Hildebeast probably has committed. (Only half say they are committed right now but Debbie W Schulz has no doubt terrorized the rest into submission. Submission - it's not just an Islamic thing, it's life in the HRC dome-of-influence.)

I'm going to try to work out what Bernie has to win by to overcome the superdelegates.

But my Republican friends, picture the Hildebeast being the candidate because of the superdelegates. And Bernie thrown aside like a Clinton bimbo. The rape of the Left by Mz. Goldman Sachs.

AReasonableMan said...
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AReasonableMan said...

Katich was my original pick to win the R nomination. If Trump hadn't beaten him like a rented mule I would be feeling mildly vindicated at this point.

garage mahal said...

I've been monitoring a few pro Bernie groups on Facebook, and I have to say the kids are alright. They smell the bullshit emanating from both parties a mile away.

Someone posted a fundraising email they just received from Hillary titled "I'm Not Kidding"

"I'm not kidding, Maddi, I'm asking you to give $1 right this second. CAN YOU CHIP IN?"

And someone replied in the comments with this meme

Pure gold. LOL

chickelit said...

Phil 3:14 said... I'm seeing a Bloomberg in our future.

Seriously? What sort of appeal does Bloomberg have outside of NYC? Trump at least connects to several American regions. Giuliani would stand a better chance.

AReasonableMan said...

Gahrie said...
To be honest, in a Hillary, Trump, Bloomberg race...I'd probably vote Bloomberg.


Jesus, man. Climb down from that bridge. Do they have Suicide Helpline in your state? If not, we are all here for you brother.

tim in vermont said...

I like Kasich, at least I don't despise him yet, and that is something with this crop in both parties.

I would say that Kasich and Sanders are the two I despise the least. It might just be because I have over the years developed a grudging respect for Bernie. At least he has actually shaken the hands of working men in small shops and garages, talked to them in small settings about their concerns.

chickelit said...

Are super delgates lifetime appointments? How does that work?

Chuck said...

I think they're scared shitless and are asking themselves how are they going to pull this off. How are they going to make Hillary! and Jeb! likeable.

You can't possibly be addlebrained enough to think that a single, shadowy "establishment" is promoting both Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush... can you?

There are certainly establishment Democrats pushing Hillary Clinton. Because they think she is the best candidate and most-likely winner for their party in November. As a Republican, I'd LOVE it if the Democrats were silly enough to nominate Bernie Sanders.

Same on the other side. There are certainly establishment Republicans who think that Trump is a silly candidate, on the order of Christine O'Donnell, Sharron Angle or Todd Akin. (They all did win primaries, as has Trump. And they all got destroyed in what should have been winnable elections.) Democrats by and large would just love to see Trump get the GOP nomination.

Two different groups, each acting very independently and also rationally.

jr565 said...

You say you want a revolution. Well, you know...

tim in vermont said...

I'm not kidding, Maddi, I'm asking you to give $1 right this second. CAN YOU CHIP IN?"

Sounds like the kind of stuff I get from Cruz. Which I never signed up for, BTW.

Titus said...

Ricky Ricardo is losing bad-excellent!

Marcorobot, the republican Obama, is done.

Hillary needs to go away.

Carly baby bodyparts and Carson, the son of God, are also finished. They will have Fox News gigs momentarily.

The guys at the Bernie headquarters are fucking hot.

tits.

Simon said...

Your \Master said...
"Trump will win the election if he's pitted against either hillary or bernie"

Big whoop. Any of the GOP candidates except Carson beat Hillary or Trump.

Gahrie said...
"The question is...is the D.C. establishment paying attention...or do they even care?"

If they still think that the question is "who's the alternative to Trump or Cruz," then no. The question is whether they'll see that Cruz is the alternative to Trump—focus, eyes on the prize, get on with it. It doesn't matter if you hate him, Cruz is the guy who beats Trump, and Donald Trump cannot be the President of the Colonies.

AReasonableMan said...

My favorite read of the day is over on NRO's Corner blog. The arrogant assholes are struggling to keep a stiff upper lip.

SteveR said...

New Hampshire is north Boston now. Its not the quaint rural independent New England of the past. Blue state, the primary is an industry and far too important in the nomination process. Like Iowa.

tim in vermont said...

My favorite read of the day is over on NRO's Corner blog. The arrogant assholes are struggling to keep a stiff upper lip.

That's OK, I was enjoying screen captures of MSNBC from the mid-terms for a solid week.

wildswan said...

How Democratic super delegates are chosen. It comes down to this: they are the party elite or they are chosen by the party elite.

"For Democrats, superdelegates fall into two categories:
delegates seated based on other positions they hold, who are formally described (in Rule 9.A) as "unpledged party leader and elected official delegates" (unpledged PLEO delegates); and
additional unpledged delegates selected by each state party (in a fixed predetermined number), who are formally described (in Rule 9.B) as "unpledged add-on delegates" and who need not hold any party or elected position before their selection as delegates.
....
A common criticism is that unpledged delegates could potentially swing the results to nominate a candidate that did not receive the majority of votes during the primaries." from Wikipedia

Original Mike said...

Don't go walking in Fort Marcy Park, Maddi.

chickelit said...

Simon said: It doesn't matter if you hate him, Cruz is the guy who beats Trump, and Donald Trump cannot be the President of the Colonies.

Why not? Eligibility problems? I agree that Cruz would be a natural to govern the Commonwealth had America not seceded.

AReasonableMan said...

"I will tell you that our system is broken. I gave to many people. Before this, before two months ago, I was a businessman. I give to everybody. When they call, I give. And you know what? When I need something from them, two years later, three years later, I call them. They are there for me. And that's a broken system." - D.J. Trump

Steven Davis said...

It's said that the people get the leaders they deserve. The logical extension of that is that they also get the candidates that they deserve. That said, I've got a Reaganesque feeling about Trump. At the very least, he can't be any worse than the last two administrations, and the way he brings it seems to suggest at the very least he can be a uniter rather than a divider.

chickelit said...

@Meadehouse: There is a Meade comment made somewhere either here or at Lem's several months ago remarking how interesting it would be if it came down to Trump vs. Sanders. It seemed incredulous at the time.

Bill Peschel said...

I'm more interested in the vote totals. Did many Democrats stay home? Did more Republicans turn out?

Paco Wové said...

"unpledged delegates could potentially swing the results to nominate a candidate that did not receive the majority of votes during the primaries"

Yay democracy!

tim in vermont said...

They are there for me. And that's a broken system." - D.J. Trump

It's a solid argument. I find it somewhat persuasive.

Bill Peschel said...

Wow, Google News just led with this headline:

"A Racist, Sexist Demagogue Just Won The New Hampshire Primary
Huffington Post - ‎1 hour ago‎"

I'm so fucking happy Google is curating the really vital news sources.

Saint Croix said...

I google "New Hampshire crack epidemic" and, wow, it's in the news. First in heroin and first in our hearts!

tim in vermont said...

hey are there for me. And that's a broken system." - D.J. Trump

Hillary was at his wedding.

Simon said...

chickelit said...
"[President of the Colonies?] Why not? Eligibility problems? I agree that Cruz would be a natural to govern the Commonwealth had America not seceded."

BSG reference. Electing Trump would be a mistake on par with electing Dr. Baltar.

I don't discount the eligibility concerns about Cruz; I've written about them at some length, twice, and I take them seriously. I would rather not have to resolve the question, because I think it's very difficult. But my feeling is that it may well be the case that the clause doesn't contain enough law to warrant the courts resolving this case, and certainly the courts are not, in fact, going to resolve the case. So it's very likely a political question.

I will write more about this if he gets the nomination. I'm still holding out for Carly.

Simon said...

AReasonableMan said...
'"I will tell you that our system is broken. I gave to many people. Before this, before two months ago, I was a businessman. I give to everybody. When they call, I give. And you know what? When I need something from them, two years later, three years later, I call them. They are there for me. And that's a broken system." - D.J. Trump'

Horseshit. If money bought politicians, why does Trump have rivals? He'd just buy them out. If money bought success, why is Jeb going nowhere?

wildswan said...

This may be the super delegate math.

"Front-runner" can be a tenuous word. But when it comes to at least one group, Hillary Clinton is far and away the leader — the Democratic Party establishment. There's no better measure of that establishment than unpledged party leaders and elected official delegates, better known as "superdelegates. Among this group, Clinton leads Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders 359 to 8, according to an AP survey of the group ... these numbers mean Clinton has already gotten 15 percent of the delegates needed — two months before any voting has begun. In other words, Clinton starts with a 15 percentage point head start over Sanders."
http://www.npr.org/2015/11/13/455812702/clinton-has-45-to-1-superdelegate-advantage-over-sanders

So I think this means that, at this point, Bernie will not beat Clinton unless he has a more than 15% lead overall in all the primary totals, even if he wins a large majority of the voters. And if the other 50% of the superdelegates break for Hillary in the same way as this first group, then she has about a 30% lead over Sanders. So then he has to win by about 2/3 in the overall primary totals to overcome Hillary's superdelegate lead. Which he is doing in NH.

Hey Democrats - Feel the Hildebeast Burn?

Tim said...

"A Racist, Sexist Demagogue Just Won The New Hampshire Primary
Huffington Post - ‎1 hour ago‎"

Yeah-but how did Trump do?

The Cracker Emcee said...

Everybody loves a horse race and everybody who hasn't experienced menopause despises Hillary, but there's not the slightest chance of her not being the Donk nominee.

tim in vermont said...

NYT says there's a ray of sunshine for Hillary. She wins the 65+ demographic. Plus the massive demographic of $200K+ incomes.

David said...

"This isn't the Revolution you are looking for."

David said...

"Did more Republicans turn out?"

Nope.

cubanbob said...

AReasonableMan said...
Gahrie said...
To be honest, in a Hillary, Trump, Bloomberg race...I'd probably vote Bloomberg.

Jesus, man. Climb down from that bridge. Do they have Suicide Helpline in your state? If not, we are all here for you brother."

"Blogger AReasonableMan said...
"I will tell you that our system is broken. I gave to many people. Before this, before two months ago, I was a businessman. I give to everybody. When they call, I give. And you know what? When I need something from them, two years later, three years later, I call them. They are there for me. And that's a broken system." - D.J. Trump


2/9/16, 8:03 PM"

Dude you are scaring me. You actually making sense for a change. I might be wrong,but I'm beginning to think that if Trump is the nominee in the general and Hillary is still in the running you will be voting for Trump.

David said...

Hilary could barely make it up five steps to the stage by herself when she went to give her excuses speech.

The woman is unhealthy. Had to lean on the rail no bounce in steps. Clearly a struggle.

She's a tired unhappy unhealthy person with a sense of entitlement and grievance who has poor judgment to start with. Should be fun to watch as the next few months unfold.

buwaya said...

In honor of the victory by the comrade Senator -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx9kvN3QbAw

tim in vermont said...

So what was her concession speech? "We are not amused"?

Original Mike said...

"They are there for me. And that's a broken system." - D.J. Trump

And the only way to plausibly fix it is to reduce the scope of government. Is Donald Trump going to do that?

traditionalguy said...

Liz Warren's war drums are beating louder and louder.

Original Mike said...

"So what was her concession speech? "We are not amused"?"

She bashed Wall Street.

She's got balls, I'll give her that.

tim in vermont said...

She bashed Wall Street.

She's got balls, I'll give her that.


She already told them not to sweat anything she said in a campaign.

Steven Davis said...

Kudos to Bernie. Opposite my political philosophy. but not once has the guy attacked his immediate opponent despite the abundance of opportunity, he runs on his message and that alone. He actually deflected criticism of Hillary in a few debates. I respect that.

Patrick Butler said...

On the Democrat Super Delegates, some may well have "committed" to Clinton now, but they can change their mind before their convention. In 2008, the Pantsuit Princess had a commanding lead in Super Delegates, right up until Obama won the majority of the primaries. People forget that in raw vote totals in 2008, Obama only won by around 41,000 votes total nationwide. Democrat Super Delegates, many of whom switched their allegiances, backed the "mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking" (thank you Joe Biden for the evergreen quote).
Does anyone here really believe that the dem movers and shakers, who are mostly the same people as 2008 because the dems are ancient in age and ideas, will be suicidal enough to overturn the Bern with Super Delegates?

buwaya said...

The rest of us also won today -

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/supreme-court-puts-obamas-clean-power-plan-hold-36820011

A stay of execution at least.

Gahrie said...

A common criticism is that unpledged delegates could potentially swing the results to nominate a candidate that did not receive the majority of votes during the primaries

uhmmm...that's the freakin' purpose of the superdelegates.

Original Mike said...

She also said she was going to work for you even if you don't want her.

Isn't that how protection rackets work?a

wildswan said...

If Bernie Sanders wins massively among the young Democrats and wins among the middle aged Democrats and wins a majority of primary delegates but loses to the superdelegate / over 65 vote, will that be good for the Democratic party? Yes - good in the way a super-loud alarm clock is good the day after a late-night party when you have to go to work.

Ignorance is Bliss said...

Simon said...

Horseshit. If money bought politicians, why does Trump have rivals? He'd just buy them out. If money bought success, why is Jeb going nowhere?

I think the system is broken, but in the reverse way. People give to politicians as protection money. It's the politicians, not the donors, that have the power. Incumbents rarely lose.

Bernie is an idiot who actually believes that giving the government the power to suppress free speech will improve the situation. Hillary at least understands that overturning Citizen's United would be about protecting herself from criticism.

Original Mike said...

"Hillary at least understands that overturning Citizen's United would be about protecting herself from criticism."

She actually brought that up in her concession speech. "They tried to criticize me! Me!"

rcocean said...

This is crazy bernie's high point. He's behind 62-38 in South Carolina. Blacks, Hispanics, and White working class Union members are all Hillary.

Plus the Super delegates are all for Hillary.

Enjoy it while it lasts - Comrades.

tim in vermont said...

Here's the Donald, looking like an oompa loompa.

wildswan said...

"Gahrie said...
A common criticism is that unpledged delegates could potentially swing the results to nominate a candidate that did not receive the majority of votes during the primaries

uhmmm...that's the freakin' purpose of the superdelegates."

According to the NPR story on super-delegates, the voters usually follow super-delegate preferences, seeing them as wise or something. So the superdelegates have never had to actually vote down the Democratic voters primary preference. But it seems to me, it might happen this year. In consequence, I picture a blizzard of snowflakes melting down in their safe spaces and sobbing: "Say, it ain't so, Joe". College administrators should invest heavily in Crayolas because traumas, like post-election-reality-syndrome, can be worked out through art.

Original Mike said...

"A common criticism is that unpledged delegates could potentially swing the results to nominate a candidate that did not receive the majority of votes during the primaries"

For what other purpose could they be?

MadisonMan said...

Bill Clinton looked incredibly frail on the stage tonight.

Hagar said...

Just turned the TV on and listened to Sanders' victory speech.
He really is quite nanners, isn't he?
Sounded like a bright high school student's - not a senior - idea of "socialism."

David said...

"And the only way to plausibly fix it is to reduce the scope of government. Is Donald Trump going to do that?"

Yes. He will sweep away entire agencies. Listen to what he says about the Department of Education. You want deregulation? Under Trump you will get it except perhaps for financial institutions.

tim in vermont said...

Sanders and Trump are both going after Obamacare. Of course they have opposite solutions, but still.

M Jordan said...

I want a Bernie - Donald face-off. Socialism vs. capitalism. Let the people decide directly which ideological model we want to follow.

I predict capitalism would win but if it didn't at least we could finally place a definitive finger of blame on a bad ideology.

Saint Croix said...

The Atlantic is already running an obit on Chris Christie.

10th in Iowa.

6th in New Hampshire.

Apparently attacking Marco Rubio for two weeks is not the path to the White House. What a stupid campaign. Not surprisingly, Rubio retaliated. It's almost like Obama photo ops are unpopular with Republicans or something. Who knew?

Original Mike said...

ObamaCare might not survive for them to kill it. Insurance companies are losing big time money on it (for which we can thank, in part, Marco Rubio) and at least one has broached the idea of pulling out.

Original Mike said...

Chris Christie is out of the next debate.

Original Mike said...

Bush spent $36M in NH. Cruz spent $0.6M.

Saint Croix said...

And the field narrows to six.

Donald Trump
Ted Cruz
Marco Rubio
John Kasich
Jeb Bush
Ben Carson

We'll be down to four soon enough.

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

I looked at Saint's link. Carly's surgery is really hard to look at. Trump was right.

OTOH, I don't think Kelly is a bimbo. It's awesome that she uses her hotness to her benefit, as was most obvious in GQ. BillO can't touch that. But that doesn't have anything to do w/ being a bimbo. Right?

Original Mike said...

"Yes. [Trump] will sweep away entire agencies. Listen to what he says about the Department of Education. You want deregulation? Under Trump you will get it except perhaps for financial institutions."

Cruz has named 5 agencies he'd shut down and it has a lot to do with my support of him. But I was referring to crony capitalism which Trump "threatens" to exacerbate. He spent a lot of his speech talking up the business deals he'll do when he's President. The man is not a conservative.

Tim said...

"And the only way to plausibly fix it is to reduce the scope of government. Is Donald Trump going to do that?"

Yes. He will sweep away entire agencies. Listen to what he says about the Department of Education. You want deregulation? Under Trump you will get it except perhaps for financial institutions.

It's a start. I'm in if it can't be Cruz.

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

OM is a smart dude. He doesn't fall for the same old, same old R-pol-con-games.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/11/10/cruz-vows-to-close-five-us-agencies-but-names-only-four-repeats-commerce.html

/sarcasm

Original Mike said...

No, the fifth is the IRS, and he would not eliminate it, just reduce it drastically. That assumes, of course, he passes his tax plan.

Original Mike said...

https://www.tedcruz.org/five-for-freedom-summary/

Jeff said...

Big winners: Trump, Sanders and Kasich. But Kasich will go nowhere in the South, this is the high-water mark for him.

Biggest loser is Christie, who richly deserves it after violating the 11'th commandment for his personal attacks on Rubio and others. His sole accomplishment this cycle is that he may have destroyed the candidacy of the only Republican who had a realistic shot of winning both the nomination and the general election.

Fiorina was already a footnote, and now Carson joins her in obscurity.

Jeb lives on to waste yet more of his contributors money. America does not have a royal family, even if the Democrats used to think the Kennedys walked on water. The only alternatives to Trump are Cruz and Rubio, and Cruz looks almost as shaky as Trump in the fall.

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

Looking at Foxes right now, Martha looks younger now than she did ages ago when she was on CNBC. Why couldn't Carly do whatever it is Martha did?

If you can't manage the work you have done on your face how can you manage the country. And, there's the failure at HP too.


PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

OM,

Thanks for the clarification. Now I understand that Cruz isn't spewing whatever BS he thinks will get him elected.

Thanks for giving me a glimpse of the world that exists between your ears. Cruz is awesome in there.



Original Mike said...

Go back to commenting on women's looks.

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

W/o Palladian in this thread during election returns I don't think I can get any tips on Scotch.

His budget recommendation of Ardbeg would be hard to beat. Anyone willing to step up?

Tim said...
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BN said...

If history were to write itself, Trump would win it all.

I vote for history.

Let the robots of the future have something interesting to study about the downfall of the human species.

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

"Go back to commenting on women's looks."

OK

That Greta gal on CSPAN has an interesting hotness: very little makeup and super dated clothes. But still hotish!

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

Btw, are people voting for The Bern because of corporate take overs like Ardbeg being owned by LVMH and the Elysian being owned by Bud?

As much as I voted for BHO and I needle cons, there is a zero percent chance I will vote for HRC or TEH BERN. Even so, it is a little unnerving to understand how few corporations control so much.



BN said...

"plays the song 'Revolution'".

Yeah-eah, ya know, ya better free yer hair instead.

Zach said...

Sanders vs Trump would be the worst matchup at least since the formation of the Republican party and maybe ever. It would invite multiple third party challenges.

In a field this fragmented, I think rank order matters more than anything. Trump & Sanders get a boost, Hillary goes back to the drawing board. Cruz gets some separation from Rubio and Kasich gets a surge in "Who is John Kasich" google searches.

Jeb Bush is the Mendoza line, I think. It's hard to put yourself out there as a top tier candidate when you finish behind the dud establishment candidate. For the amount of resources he devoted to this race, I think he has to win, place or show. Finishing off the podium means he's not Trump, he's not the anti-Trump candidate, and he's not that one guy that always does far better in New Hampshire than anywhere else.

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

"Go back to commenting on women's looks."

BTW, I will agree that Carly knew how to put together a 5th Ave garbbed version of a country gal when she showed up at the Iowa Fair. But, why can she find a good plastic surgeon? This question goes to her experience.

By comparsion, look at Trump's skillfull solution to thinning hair. You don't see that every day. That's thinking outside the box.

future toothless bum said...

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

I looked at Saint's link. Carly's surgery is really hard to look at. Trump was right.

OTOH, I don't think Kelly is a bimbo. It's awesome that she uses her hotness to her benefit,"

Yeah, I guess Trump's hawtness is driving you up the wall.

Quaestor said...

Original Mike wrote: Bush spent $36M in NH. Cruz spent $0.6M.

I hope this puts a cold cloth to the fevered brows of those who think elections go to he who raises and spends the most cash. It's like that anecdote about dog food and advertising -- if the dogs don't like the dog food, the packaging doesn't matter.

Unless voters become so venial as to put their votes up for auction, and thankfully the New Hampshirites (New Hampshiroids? New Hamsters?) haven't stooped to that yet, there comes a point of diminishing returns. Jeb should pull out and just shut up. He can do nothing but harm at this point.

traditionalguy said...

It's a revolution alright. It's another Glorious Revolution. The New Amsterdam Dutchman has arrived here now to replace the sly King Obama who has been lying and ignoring 'Congress' authority and Statutes to craftyly take the country back under a foreign Religion that plans our deaths.

And the Scots-Irish will gladly fight for Donald of Orange again. Just watch the southern States. Senor Nastyness won't know what hit him.

Lance said...

"I want a Bernie - Donald face-off. Socialism vs. capitalism. Let the people decide directly which ideological model we want to follow."

Trump is not a capitalist, he's a cronyist.

sane_voter said...

GOP turnout based on 75% raw vote total: 285k
Dem turnout based on 74% raw vote total: 250k

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

I'm sure folks here in this thread have watched plenty full stump speeches. Perhaps even in person, as I have.

By definition they're robotic. Except for Rubio, most candidates know when to switch off the canned speech and go improv. Certainly the voters of Iowa and NewH know how this works. They're blasted every four years.

Anywho, this year these early voters seem to be interested in ditching the canned stuff. But, you non-Trumpeters shouldn't be too worried, most folks will still fall for the poll tested canned lines. Just ask Original Mike.


sane_voter said...

GOP has 53.3% of total turnout.

future toothless bum said...

Enough of these #whiteastheoscars states crap. Lets go to S. Carolina.

Sammy Finkelman said...

wildswan said...

Over at CBS 2016 primaries site it shows Clinton with 384 delegates, Bernie with 29. Why is that?

Superdelgates who haqve announced who they are for. They are not counting delegates yet. These superdelgates can also start fading away.

Bon Schieffer on WCBS-TV said that this is very telling for Hillary. But he thinks she will limp to the nomination. But it is not a good indicator for her in the general election (he said some other words about the general election)

This is his 11th New Hampshire primary (as young as he says he looks)


Original Mike said...

"Jeb should pull out and just shut up. He can do nothing but harm at this point."

Jeb Bush would 'eliminate' Citizens United.

traditionalguy said...

The Marxist Candidate will not win a single State. That means Trump is as good as President. Which means the Dems will have to agree on a candidate with a chance. Biden and Warren is the ticket I expect them to nominate.

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

"Trump is not a capitalist, he's a cronyist."

This assumes he plans to 100% do the opposite of what he says. Which is a possibility.

But, if does F with unfair-trade and illegal immigration, he'll be working against the corporatist gravy train that many of his financial peers ride.

OTOH, if he's telling the truth he'll also be pushing for an insane foreign policy. Which seems unwise since this is the area where he would be fairly unilateral as POTUS.


Chuck said...

Original Mike; you are quite right to highlight Jeb Bush's crazed musings on super PACs and Citizens United. (Noting that Citizens United v FEC was not the case that created the legal space for Super PACs. It was actually another decision, SpeechNow.org v FEC.)

It is Jeb Bush's worst and most thoughtless move in a terrible campaign.

AReasonableMan said...

Quaestor said...
I hope this puts a cold cloth to the fevered brows of those who think elections go to he who raises and spends the most cash.


The fact that a system is not perfectly corrupt is not evidence that it is not corrupt. Perfection in corruption, like perfection in anything else in our fallen world, is impossible to achieve. That doesn't mean the oligarchs will stop trying.

future toothless bum said...

For Rubio at this point you have to question his faith. If he stays in Trump wins, if he throws his support behind Cruz, Cruz wins. Maybe.

Still, it puts him more and more in the position of putting Trump in office. I understand his belief that God has brought him to this point, now is he willing to risk America to Trump for his belief that God has nodded in his way.

Rubio dances to "The Clash".

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

Cons can put their trust Ted because the word "trusted" ends in "TED".

And, he called Mitch a liar. TrustTED!


PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

Kasich sort of ends in ache.

Too bad for him.

future toothless bum said...

Cruz ends in ruse

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

Carson has the word "car" in his name.

Cars are good because they help us get around. Presumably Carson is the way to move our country to con nirvana!

future toothless bum said...

Rubio starts with rube

future toothless bum said...

But Obama has a BOMB in it!!!

PBandJ_LeDouanier said...

Clinton sort of sounds like a certain gal part. Bill knows about that, it's close to the place cigars go. So vote for Hilary!

future toothless bum said...

I feel I've played an inadvertent evil part in this.

Birkel said...

PBandJ starts with putrid business...
PBandJ starts with pussilanimous balls...
PBandJ starts with paltry biscuits...
PBandJ starts with pussyfooting bitches...
PBandJ starts with p... b...

Bruce Hayden said...

I think that Superdelegates was a horrible idea on the part of the Democrats. After Chicago, they just couldn't give up on the idea of party leaders picking nominees in smoke filled rooms. From my point of view, the big problem is a legitimacy problem. They are the establishment, whether they be elected Dem officials, or union bosses and community leaders. Hillary and her people started off on the wrong foot by essentially stealing delegates in Ohio with the highly unlikely 6 of 6 coin tosses, plus apparently getting delegates in at lease one district with no Hillary votes. Not helping that the state party leaders are not allowing a recount. Imagine now a Hillary nomination after Bernie winning a majority of the actual vote. Or, an overwhelming Hillary nomination after a close actual vote. I don't expect to see anything like their 1968 convention, but you never know - some of the Bernie supporters are the Occupy crowd. One difference between now and eight years ago, is that Obama was going to go down fighting, and everyone knew it. But, Bernie won't, but his supporters very well might. We are talking the Occupy people, and recent college grads who have paralyzed college campuses around the country. The interesting part of the NH results is how well the oldest candidate did with the young adults, carrying Gen X, Y, and Millennials, with increasing margins as they got younger. If they feel robbed by the Superdelegates and the party establishment, what are they all going to do? My guess is either stay home, or vote for the Republican, depending on who that is (Trump yes, Cruz no), or a 3rd party, if there is one. Voting for Hillary will already be unfashionable for at least the Millennials, but I think that it will become highly unfashionable if Herself gets the nomination through Superdelegates. And, this is above and beyond all of the minorities who stay home because one of their kind isn't at the top of the ballot this time.

One of the other problems here is that Sanders seems to be running based on principles. Why is that bad? Because he is unlikely to withdraw before the bitter end, regardless of how the delegates are breaking. Hillary just can't buy him off by promising him a cushy cabinet post, like Obama may have done with Secretary of State for Hillary.

It should be interesting.

Bruce Hayden said...

Sorry - meant Iowa, not Ohio, where there appeared to be a bit of hanky panky in Herself's favor. And, that was only last week.

Bruce Hayden said...

Still can't figure out why I can't keep Iowa and Ohio straight. They really aren't that close together, except both state names have four letters, and both are tokenly mid-west, except that Ohio is really part of the eastern rust belt, which means a lot of working class, white and black, who no longer have good paying jobs, as contrasted to the farm orientation of Midwestern Iowa. My ancestors on my mother's side left civilized Ohio in the 1850s to move to the wilderness of Michigan (but came back to fight in the Civil War), and I spent a pretty good week in the summer of 1972 at a fraternity leadership workshop in Iowa. My memory was a lot of corn fields, and good parties. It makes sense that I can't keep North and South Carolina straight, nor North and South Dakota. And, I probably couldn't keep Colorado and Wyoming straight, if I hadn't spent most of my life in the one with most of the scenery. But Ohio and Iowa? Not sure why.

Humperdink said...

Steinem and Halfbright will never be heard from again.

If Hildabeast wins the SC primary, can Bill label her the comeback "kid" with straight face?

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Humperdink said...

The Sanders victory does help the opponents of the Citizens United decision.

It was reported early yesterday morning that Hillary was lobbying NH election officials for the race to be decided by a coin flip.

Humperdink said...

With all the slings and arrows New Jersey Fats flung at Rubio, Rubio still beat him. Time for the Fatman to go back to the buffet. Maybe he could hug Sanders on the beach this fall.

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Quaestor said...

The fact that a system is not perfectly corrupt is not evidence that it is not corrupt.

But a "perfectly corrupt" system would not be evident at all, else it would not be perfect, would it?

Would someone get ARM a nice cool towel?

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Brando said...

I don't think anyone knows what sort of "revolution" Donald Trump offers because most of what he promises is vague garble or contradicted by other things he promises. Sanders is pretty clearly offering a big-government expansion bigger than the New Deal.

Interesting Christie's bullying on Saturday didn't work--he finished worse than Rubio. And while Bush delivered little bang for his buck, he can justify staying in longer, as can Kasich on his shoestring campaign. Trump pulled off a big victory with no ground game to speak of--supposedly if he gets the nomination he expects ground game is unnecessary when you have free media, which is a bit of a risk after what Obama did twice.

Clinton will try to downplay this, but note that by losing by more than 20 points that is a 60 point swing in NH in less than half a year. She is literally reeling against a self-identified socialist, an old Jewish Brooklynite and man of no particular political skill. I think she'll still beat him--the black vote is her firewall--but it is amazing just how bad a politician she is. The Obama thing was no fluke.

sydney said...

@Bruce Hayden, re: Iowa and Ohio confusion. Two words: "corn fields."

AllenS said...

Hillary doesn't have to win any of the primaries, she just needs to come close. The super delegates will push her over the top.

Plus, she knows that when the voting for POTUS starts, Bernie's people will vote for the Democrat, and that will be her. She doesn't need to worry about pissing anyone off, or worrying about people saying that "she stole it".

Laura said...

Rubio means blonde. He's obviously hiding something in his roots.

Brando said...

"Hillary doesn't have to win any of the primaries, she just needs to come close. The super delegates will push her over the top."

I wouldn't be so sure--if Bernie actually leads among earned delegates, there would be chaos at the convention if the Clintonites stole it with the superdelegates. Last time around she had commitments from most of the superdelegates but they bailed on her when it was clear Obama might win (and they did in fact switch).

"Plus, she knows that when the voting for POTUS starts, Bernie's people will vote for the Democrat, and that will be her. She doesn't need to worry about pissing anyone off, or worrying about people saying that "she stole it"."

I agree that most Dems and Left-leaners will vote for Hillary over the GOP nominee, but most of this depends on how much they are scared by the GOP. A lot of leftists just see nothing good in her, and see her as part of a corrupt establishment, as a liar, and just an all around boring, uninspiring person. I'm thinking her turnout will suffer, and the only thing she can really bank on is fear.

tim in vermont said...

Hillary doesn't have to win any of the primaries, she just needs to come close.

No. She needs to win. If the dogs won't eat the food, the superdelegates will change their allegiance ultimately.

tim in vermont said...

I do think, however that assuming Hillary will be the nominee is probably smart. After all, the billionaires and the bankers have levers they can pull and manipulate, and that needs to be respected.

damikesc said...

This is crazy bernie's high point. He's behind 62-38 in South Carolina. Blacks, Hispanics, and White working class Union members are all Hillary.

He was down by 40 not that long ago and black turnout here isn't likely to be super heavy. Unless she pulls a win of NH levels here, there is a massive problem for the Dems.

...especially if all she can claim is that she won the primaries in states that the party has no shot in Hell of winning.

AReasonableMan said...

Quaestor said...
But a "perfectly corrupt" system would not be evident at all, else it would not be perfect, would it?


Just as any impossible thing is not evident. Still corrupt though.

damikesc said...

Unless voters become so venial as to put their votes up for auction, and thankfully the New Hampshirites (New Hampshiroids? New Hamsters?) haven't stooped to that yet, there comes a point of diminishing returns. Jeb should pull out and just shut up. He can do nothing but harm at this point.

I don't know how it was in NH, but here in SC, Bush ads are on CONSTANTLY. And he is going to do exceptionally poorly here.

Mike Murphy is blowing tons of money. For no benefit. And, yet, he will still get work in the future in spite of having no ability to produce.

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Curious George said...

"damikesc said...
I don't know how it was in NH, but here in SC, Bush ads are on CONSTANTLY. And he is going to do exceptionally poorly here."

"According to ad buy data provided by Morning Consult, Bush and his super PAC have spent an astounding $36.1 million in the Granite State. That's more than twice as much as the next-highest overall spender, Christie."

AllenS said...

Brando, go here and check out the current delegate count:

Link

Guildofcannonballs said...

Trump has proven polls matter more than we all could ever have previously thought, and we must talk about polls now 23/6 but never on Sunday.

Did you see the polls of sundry people about Sunday previos and their pick the Panthers? We all know the result of that. So, keep your polls away from Sunday and you ought be okay.

About first place of course, but who cares about the "first loser" right, like they teach in Talladega Nights. "If you ain't first, you're last."

Guildofcannonballs said...

Trump has a lot of Von Miller in him.

Like Von said, they were in the game to become champions, not rappers or dancers or anything like that, champions.

aritai said...

Hmm. A replay of 1980? Have we seen the Monkey caricature yet? Yes. Puffington's court fool? Seems it takes one to know one. Be it RR's commie membership, or pTb and Wall street and the Bankers. Don't think he's remained a supplicant like Ms. C. The MSM can't avoid the meme of "He's not mainstream as he bypasses their fiefdom and attacks them from the rear. RR again, smiling all the time. Makes for a sore rear. RR did much the same to the GOP party apparatus. Too bad the GOP did not come to an accommodation with the Taxed Enough Already crowd back in 2008. Which is what made them easy pickings for this Hostile Takeover. The GOP Fat Cats see their salad days ending. Wonder if pTb will find a way to tax their exit so their revolving door disappears. "I meant it, a wall means a wall!" Time to order more coconut oil. To ease the GOP and Dem-leadership pain. I wager he'll coopt the lesser lights in the GOP and Dem apparatus as the best Takeover artists do. They skin rather than gut.

Fritz said...

At least John Lennon won't contest Trump using the song.

xirishillx said...

If Bill Clinton was the 'comeback kid' in 1992 in NH, does that make Bernie Sanders the 'comeback curmudgeon' this year?

AllenS said...

What does pTb stand for?

Brando said...

"He was down by 40 not that long ago and black turnout here isn't likely to be super heavy. Unless she pulls a win of NH levels here, there is a massive problem for the Dems."

Plus, the black vote proved fickle in 2008 (though granted, that was with Obama). If Bernie can find a way to bring that vote to at least a split, Hillary's in serious trouble. There really aren't a lot of "white working class" voters in the Democratic party anymore, and such that there are aren't too excited about her.

tim in vermont said...

Republicans set a new turnout record Tuesday in New Hampshire’s primary, attracting more than a quarter of a million voters to the polls and offering evidence that most of the energy in the 2016 presidential race continues to be on the GOP side. Democrats saw a strong turnout, but their two-person race couldn’t recapture the magic of the 2008 battle between Hillary Clinton and then-candidate Barack Obama.

MayBee said...

If Cruz were asking for a Revolution, we'd be hearing about racist, violent Republicans.

Remember how the Tea Party was racist, for some reason? And now Bernie asks for a Revolution and the political class somehow doesn't find that to be against Obama or anything.

MadisonMan said...

So what was her concession speech? "We are not amused"?

12 hours later and this still makes me chuckle.

Simon said...

damikesc said...
"Mike Murphy is blowing tons of money. For no benefit. And, yet, he will still get work in the future in spite of having no ability to produce."

How is it Mike's fault? When a company chooses to put out a fundamentally defective product that no one wants to buy, you don't blame the marketing department for running a competent advertising campaign that fails to perform miracles.