February 23, 2014

"But when two unidentified men placed a noose around the bronze neck of James Meredith this week..."

"... and left behind a flag with the Confederate battle emblem, it set into motion a new round of soul-searching in a place where past and present still restlessly coexist."

The second paragraph of a NYT article title "Racist Episodes Continue to Stir Ole Miss Campus," which does eventually get around to gesturing at the problem that incidents like this can be hoaxes, but only in the form of quoting a lawyer-blogger who also wouldn't take the incident seriously if it was done by white racists:
“It’s a mistake to base any decision on this, whether it was done by white racists or whether it was a hoax,” said Frank M. Hurdle, an Oxford lawyer and blogger. “Now, if you can show me that several hundred students got together in a meeting and did this, then I will be the first one to say that we need to have some systemic changes made. But we all know that’s not what happened.”
ADDED: Why doesn't Ole Miss have a surveillance camera on that James Meredith statue? Would-be protesters of all mindsets should be deterred from leveraging their opinions this way.

ALSO: "A national fraternity indefinitely suspended its chapter at the University of Mississippi after three members were suspected of hanging a noose around a statue of the school's first black student."

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cubanbob said...

Should those clowns be prosecuted? No. They did not actually vandalize the statute. Should they be shamed to the max? Absolutely. Jim Crow didn't occur five hundred years ago. It occurred within living memory and unless it can be proven those clowns didn't have a clue as to what their stunt intended to convey they should be shamed and humiliated for the hurt they intended.

The Crack Emcee said...

jr565,

I'm sure if you ask them they might have a different story. They might say, they felt threatened, or whatever their argument.


Totally non-racist, there AKA THE FEAR GOGGLES DEFENSE

You're great, jr,...

David said...

You're too late Bob. A cat fight is on.

jr565 said...

Crack Emcee wrote:

Totally non-racist, there AKA THE FEAR GOGGLES DEFENSE

I don't even know the case Inga was referering to! I'm not saying that the defense is valid. though certainly it could be valid as a defense. Are they even making that defense? since I don't know the case I can't say.
I'm just saying I doubt their defense is "We shot them because they were black and walking down the street". THey're going to argue that they were justified in shooting the people because of X. Whatever X is.

jr565 said...

Were they justified though? That's for a jury to decide.

Illuninati said...

To me, the videotapes are much more informative that the arguments that George Zimmerman was guilty of assaulting Travon Martin.

Either way, the facts do not support the false narrative by the lefties, including Inga, that conservatives are racists and lefties are not.

1. The first video was shot in Los Angeles a Democrat city. None of the people walking by looked like Southern rednecks. The store owners who were scowling at what they thought was a black car thief looked like Hispanics although it is difficult to be certain.
2. The video provided by Crack was in an undisclosed location. If I were to guess, it was probably shot in a blue state but one can not be positive.
3. The altercation between Travon Martin vs. George Zimmerman was a battle between a staunch Democrat and a young black man. There were no conservatives or Republicans involved.

Freder Frederson said...

His life would have been easier if he didn't run into TM.

He didn't "run into TM". He followed him in his car and then tracked him on foot (after the 911 operator advised him not to). He then got in over his head when he confronted TM and resorted to deadly force.

At best, even if he was not guilty of a crime, Zimmerman is an arrogant jerk with a gun who, with no supporting evidence, that someone walking in a hoodie must be up to no good.

The Crack Emcee said...

jr565 said...
Crack Emcee wrote:

Totally non-racist, there AKA THE FEAR GOGGLES DEFENSE

I don't even know the case Inga was referering to! I'm not saying that the defense is valid. though certainly it could be valid as a defense. Are they even making that defense? since I don't know the case I can't say.
I'm just saying I doubt their defense is "We shot them because they were black and walking down the street". THey're going to argue that they were justified in shooting the people because of X. Whatever X is.

I always have to wonder if you're stupid or just pretending:

West Virginia man, 62, shoots dead his two new black neighbors as they were inspecting their shed and then claims he thought they were burglars

They can say whatever they want, Jr - and do - I've made this point a billion ways.

jr565 said...

Crack I never said there defense was valid in this case. I merely states that the characterization that they shot them simply for being black and walking down the street is a characterization not a statement of fact.
A jury will have to weigh whether their defense is valid.

If you must know the truth their defense sounds iffy. I can see shooting someone you think is burglarizing your home, but shooing someone burglarizing someone else home sounds dodgy. Could they not have called the cops.
All I'm going on are the details you're telling me. But are those the full details?

Drago said...

jr565: "But are those the full details?"

LOL

It may very well be that those are the full details, but given that in this very thread both Inga and crack have already stated that trayvon was shot for buying skittles, do you really want to by cracks assertions only?

Really?

Michael K said...

Anyone who is still immured in this crap and is missing the fantastic golf tournament the past hour needs a therapist.

Jupiter said...

"I still would throw them out of school."

Yes, David, and you would fire me if I worked for you. But I don't work for you, and it isn't your school. Do you think the State of Mississippi acted correctly when it denied admission to James Meredith? Certainly, a lot of people in Mississippi thought so at the time. Let us stipulate that his actions were vile, shall we?

Drago said...

Freder: "He then got in over his head when he confronted TM and resorted to deadly force."

Actually, no.

Trayvon made it all the way to his intended location, then double-backed and confronted zimmerman and then clocked him, got him on the ground, started beating him up "MMA style" (per actual testimony) and was bashing zimmermans head into the concrete.

Gee, I guess those details were just too taxing to include in your post.

Next up: Freder explains why the US was wrong to attack the Japanese fleet at Midway after a minor dustup at Pearl Harbor.

Thanks, Freder.

BTW, shouldn't you be explaining why Maduro's actions in Venezuela are necessary and okey-dokey?

test said...

Inga said...
You know what? I don' like that Crack called Darlene a cunt, I wish he wouldn't have. She does provoke, but hat doesn't excuse it...

And I've been called far worse here in the Althouse comments sections.


Of course she's called people a cunt before also, but then she's quite open that her standards don't apply to the left.

The Crack Emcee said...

Drago,

"Given that in this very thread both Inga and crack have already stated that trayvon was shot for buying skittles, do you really want to by cracks assertions only?"

We didn't say "for" skittles but I will say just for being free. The cops told Zimmerman to leave him alone. The kid's "crime" from then on was just being alive.

Anyway, so it won't be "cracks assertions only" shall we keep going?

BLACK WOMAN SHOT IN THE FACE ASKING FOR HELP

jr565 said...

Crack wrote:
We didn't say "for" skittles but I will say just for being free. The cops told Zimmerman to leave him alone. The kid's "crime" from then on was just being alive.


No, no, no and no. The DISPATCHER, not a cop, asked Zimmerman if he was following Trayvon. He didn't tell him not to. And when told, you don't have to do that (which is different than I order you not to do that") all indications are that Zimmerman stopped.
If Zimmerman continued following Trayvon, then the crime scene would have been behind Trayvons,s dads (technically his dads gf's house but why quibble) house and not right where GZ parked his car.

Anonymous said...

I said they got shot for being outside while black. Kids on their way to the mall to talk to girls sitting in a car with loud rap music playing. A kid coming home from the store with a can of tea and a bag of skittles on his phone to a girlfriend, wearing a scary hoodie.

Those fear goggles firmly in place on the shooter's heads.

David said...

Jupiter said...

. . . .

Yes, David, and you would fire me if I worked for you.


If you put a noose on someone's door . . .

Illuninati said...

Inga, what are you trying to accomplish?

jr565 said...

Black woman shoots white man. Claims stand your ground defense.
http://www.speroforum.com/a/ABTQXCNTFM32/73128-Black-woman-stands-her-ground-kills-white-man#.UwqZvX-9KSM

Fear Goggles, indeed. We can play this game all day Crack and Inga. How about I start pulling up news articles where whites were shot by blacks, and then make the claim that this is because blacks are all criminals.

jr565 said...

Black man shoots white man, claims defense and isn't charged:
http://www.dominionofnewyork.com/2012/04/10/black-arizona-man-kills-white-man-claims-self-defense-escapes-arrest/#.Uwqau3-9KSM

I could do this all day. What is the big picture Inga? White man killed by black for walking down the street while white?

jr565 said...

ANOTHER white woman killed and raped by black man:

http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TLLP1QQ35E4H9866O/p2

Wait, you mean it happened before? am I sensing a pattern? So, what's the big picture here Inga? is this the another case of white woman raped and murdered for being white?
OR, am I taking things out of context and suggesting a narrative based on a single isolated case.

You decide, if you decide the latter, know that that is exactly what you and crack are doing.

Illuninati said...

To point out valid incidents of racism is reasonable but to accuse people of racism because they disagree with your ideology is race baiting.

Illuninati said...

jr565
Good points jr565. My comment about race baiting was directed at Inga, not at you.

Jupiter said...

Yes, David, and you would fire me if I worked for you.

If you put a noose on someone's door . . .

Yes, right Dave, you would fire me if I put a noose on someone's door. What if I called someone "cunt", Dave? Would you fire me? Would you stipulate that my action was vile? Do you think the University of Mississippi should allow me to walk their hallowed (albeit irredeemably racist) halls?

jr565 said...

Here's another one. 8 year old white boy killed with knife by Black man

http://www.solargeneral.com/jeffs-archive/hate-crimes/black-kills-8-year-old-white-boy-in-knife-attack/

8 year old? Trayvon Martin was far older than this kid. And he was killed. BY A BLACK MAN! Draw you inferences, but we clearly see the big picture don't we? White children are not safe from black men. Right Inga?
If you find that insensitive that please stop doing the same you stupid idiot!

Michael Ryan said...

So, doesn't a hate crime prosecution first require an underlying crime? So far I've read it was being charged as "vandalism", but I've not yet seen any description of what was damaged. A noose was put on the statue. After a crime scene investigation, someone probably took it off and put it in an evidence bag. After that occurred what damage was there to repair? was the statue tipped over? Was it splashed with red paint? Swastikas painted on it? The head partially sawed off? What?

sean said...

Speech codes and surveillance cameras! Prof. Althouse is in classic lawprof condition today. She and her colleagues would have us all in gulags for our thoughtcrimes if they could.

jr565 said...

This is reading that Inga and Cracke Emcee in particular should be required to read. Since they are playing a very dangerous game.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/20/opinion/young-white-dunn-boogeyman/index.html

Read it. Think about it. Then read it again. Keep doing that until its drummed into your head.

David said...

This just in.

Black people sin. White people sin. Sometimes the sin is murder.

The fact that black people sin does not make the white sinners any less sinful.

And vice versa.

It does not stop there, but it gets more complex and difficult. We are all mixed up between what the society has been doing and what our individual responsibility for that may be. But the fact that we were not (or think we were not) individual sinners does not eliminate our responsibility to the victims of the sin.

Some of us would like to have the government try to fulfill that responsibility. But government by its nature is so impure that it's a poor agent for that.

So we have to deal with it as individuals if it is ever to end. Each in our own way.

And even if think we are without individual blame, we still have that responsibility, and still must find our way.

At least that's what I think.

Good night, everyone.

Anonymous said...

Actually Illuninati, I don't have any aspirations toward changing anyone's mind. I'm here as a thorn in your sides.

Illuninati said...

Sorry Inga, but I just don't get your point. Much of the evidence presented about white racism implicates people living in deep blue states. What is your point?

The Crack Emcee said...

jr565 said...
Black woman shoots white man. Claims stand your ground defense.

Fear Goggles, indeed.


That's one, jr - I've given you 6 "innocent" white on black killings.

Get to work, homie,...

jr565 said...

Not every case is the Trayvon Martin case, not even the Trayvon Martin case if you know what I mean.
Inga and crack are not just talking about a case they are pushing an agenda. And this case or that case will work just as well to push the agenda.and if the facts have to be manufactured to fit the case so be it.
Can you find individual cases that fit the mold? sure! But if I wanted to find cases that fit the mold that pushes the agenda that all blacks are criminals I could do that to couldn't i?
There is no white bogeyman lurking behind the corner killing black kids because they are carrying around skittles. Ok?
Statistically if you are a black person you are FARRRRRR more likely to be killed by another black person. And so to if you are a white person. There is no epidemic of white people shooting black kids in the face because they are black and have skittles.

Michael said...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/22/another-senseless-murder-youre-not-hearing-about-and-some-in-the-family-wonder-if-it-could-be-a-trayvon-martin-revenge-murder/

I was in Memphis the day after this walking while white murder.

jr565 said...

Crack Emcee wrote:
That's one, jr - I've given you 6 "innocent" white on black killings.

Get to work, homie,...

oh brother. You have to put "innocent" in quotes when it comes to the white guy? because obviously the black woman was totally justified. Because, well the guy she killed was white. And its white guys shooting black people in the face right?
You picked 6 cases out of a vacuum.
How many murders were committed in this country. Which one of them should we pick and choose to,push our agenda?

Michael said...

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/justice/australia-student-killed-oklahoma/

Never been to this town in Oklahoma

Illuninati said...
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Illuninati said...

Illuninati said...
My point is that racism is a universal trait bequeathed to us by our DNA as an aid for our selfish gene's struggle for survival. As an inherited trait, racism/tribalism is a normal human trait but that doesn't mean we have to act on it. That is where morality comes into play. So far, I have seen no evidence that lefties are moral paragons who are immune to racism. So again, what is your point?

While we are swatting at phantoms here at home, there are real instances of genocide going on right now. The hottest spots are in Africa although the people in Thailand are undergoing their own limited genocide in the south. Right now, as crack worries about slaves 150 years ago, there are modern slaves suffering the lashes of their masters.

The Crack Emcee said...

How about I start pulling up news articles where whites were shot by blacks, and then make the claim that this is because blacks are all criminals.


Then you'd have to explain WHY they're criminals, jr - I keep bringing you back to the context of history. We Americans don't live in a vacuum, as you keep trying to pretend. Slavery - which you so expertly want to avoid - has twisted us upside-down, making people suffering a crime turn to crime, only to be condemned because nobody's going to ever give them what's theirs.

Let's say a black goes on a crime spree because this country's never kept a promise, can you blame him? Didn't the country TEACH him it's word is worthless? What is he supposed to be respecting under such a regime? The country? The flag? The sanctity of life? These things have to have meaning to be appreciated, jr - and the history of this country strips all of that away every time many black people dare to ask an ancestor to tell them a bedtime story.

You demand we live under insane conceits - you are to forget what's happened to you and yours because that makes it convenient for whites to now assess blame as they currently see fit - who would go along with that?

You're stupid to think we're as stupid as you appear to be,...

Michael said...

http://victoriajackson.com/9303/4-blacks-torture-kill-white-couple

This was not much in the news.

jr565 said...

I'm not going to know the details of every crime that's committed in this country am I? But even I I did, why would I expect that there would be an exact match in the number of people claiming self defense or stand your ground that somehow matches population totals. Like if 10% of the population is black 10% of those v
Claiming stand your ground and not getting charged must equal 10% of the population. In any given day crimes are going to occur and the statistics of those crimes are going to be based on those who commit the crimes not based on population models.

What you're doing is saying . "Whites are out killing black kids. Let me find the exact cases where whites killed black kids. SEEEEE! its systematic racism!"
But anyone could take cases out of context to prove their agenda. So I could say "blacks are raping white women. let me find the cases where blacks have raped white women. SEEEEE? Its systematic bigotry!"
Does that mean that the is in fact an epidemic of black people raping white women? Should white women start fearing black men?

Michael said...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/22/another-senseless-murder-youre-not-hearing-about-and-some-in-the-family-wonder-if-it-could-be-a-trayvon-martin-revenge-murder/

I was in Memphis the day after this walking while white murder.

jr565 said...

Crack Emcee wrote:
Then you'd have to explain WHY they're criminals, jr - I keep bringing you back to the context of history. We Americans don't live in a vacuum, as you keep trying to pretend. Slavery - which you so expertly want to avoid - has twisted us upside-down, making people suffering a crime turn to crime, only to be condemned because nobody's going to ever give them what's theirs.

except how many black people aren't criminals! despite sharing that same past. It's not an excuse. And frankly not a single black person alive today ever lived through slavery. So they shouldn't use it now as an excuse. Do blacks get a get out of jail free card because of something that happens to their ancestors.

The Crack Emcee said...

jr565,

Anyone could take cases out of context to prove their agenda.



And your desire to remove history from America is the ultimate attempt at it.

The Crack Emcee said...

jr565,

except how many black people aren't criminals! despite sharing that same past.


This is like your previous dodge - but what about Democrats?

Is that all you're capable of doing? Well, look at them?

You're a child, jr,...

jr565 said...

And,at any rate, I wouldn't blame slavery for why black people commit crimes anyway. Each crime is an individual act, not a collective act. So you have to look at the motivations for each crime. And some were done because of self defense.a nd some because of revenge. And some because of drugs. And some because of racism. Etc etc.

The same is true for why whites commit crimes. Individual acts, not collective acts.

jr565 said...

Crack Emcee wrote:

"This is like your previous dodge - but what about Democrats?

Is that all you're capable of doing? Well, look at them?

You're a child, jr,..."
You're ascribing all black crime to slavery. I'm saying that blacks, like all individuals, are more complex than that

The Crack Emcee said...

jr565,

"You're ascribing all black crime to slavery. I'm saying that blacks, like all individuals, are more complex than that"

So you know black lives better than I do?

The Crack Emcee said...

jr565,

"You're ascribing all black crime to slavery."


Been here working for 400 years - where'd the money go, jr?

And what might a man with no money do, jr?

And, if the government did that by law, does that man have a duty to respect the law, jr?

jr565 said...

Crack Emcee wrote:

So you know black lives better than I do?

you know white lives better than I do? How then are you determining their motivations?

The Crack Emcee said...

One group was singled out, because of the color of their skin, and deprived of earnings by law for generations.


One group, easily identified by the color of their skin, now wallows in poverty.

Connection, jr?

Give me that "pull yourself up from your bootstraps" and "don't be a victim" pep talk that's so popular these days.

I'm sure, without justice, your enthusiasm will catch on,...

The Crack Emcee said...

jr565,

you know white lives better than I do? How then are you determining their motivations?


For the billionth time - history, jr.

Blacks have been watching whites for 400 years,...

jr565 said...

Crack Emcee wrote:
Been here working for 400 years - where'd the money go, jr?

And what might a man with no money do, jr?

And, if the government did that by law, does that man have a duty to respect the law, jr?

I don't know where the money went. Maybe it was spent unwisely. You don't need slavery to explain those actions though do you? Because people who aren't black and who didn't go through slavery also are faced with no money and commit crimes.

jr565 said...

Crack Emcee wrote:
For the billionth time - history, jr.

Blacks have been watching whites for 400 years,...

and by extension whites have been watching blacks for that same 400 yers.

jr565 said...

Crack emcee wrote:
Give me that "pull yourself up from your bootstraps" and "don't be a victim" pep talk that's so popular these days.

I'm sure, without justice, your enthusiasm will catch on,...

and yet millions of blacks have done exactly that and are now in the middle class or greater.

jr565 said...

Crack Emcee wrote:
One group was singled out, because of the color of their skin, and deprived of earnings by law for generations.


One group, easily identified by the color of their skin, now wallows in poverty.

what do you want society to do? treat black people like infants? schools were desegregated because the argument was that blacks could do the same as whites. are you suggesting that black people weren't quite ready for desegregation and need their hands held?
Why does it sound like I have more faith in black people than you?

jr565 said...

Crack Emcee wrote:
Give me that "pull yourself up from your bootstraps" and "don't be a victim" pep talk that's so popular these days.


That's what everyone has to do that isn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth, put in the work, pull yourself up by the bootstraps and earn a living. Life may be unfair and give some people more hardship than others.
Regardless, you have to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and not be a victim.

jr565 said...

As far as why people are in poverty?H ow do you get out of poverty? you get an education and then work. You can't argue as if society hasn't put money into schools.,or anti poverty programs. So then, explain the drop out rate. And then what do you expect the outcome to be? that too is a personal choice. Some play the game and some think society is against them or think doing well in school makes you an Uncle Tom. I'm willing to bet money, that those who "sell out" are the ones who by and large succeed.

The Crack Emcee said...

jr565,

and by extension whites have been watching blacks for that same 400 hers.


No, jr - white supremacy - they didn't have to watch us.

that's the catch.

The Crack Emcee said...

are you suggesting that black people weren't quite ready for desegregation and need their hands held?

no, i'm saying whites have no concept of justice and shouldn't expect any

jr565 said...

I'll let you in on a secret crack. I'm white and yet do not know the motivations of all whites. I only really know my own motivations and my own mind.
You're the same.
I'm sure you would say its a black thing, I wouldn't understand. And I would counter with its a white thing and You wouldn't understand. And then you'd say blacks know whites, and aid counter with whites no blacks.
But really, can we really deconstruct individuals so easily? Is is there really a black thing or a white thing?

jr565 said...

Crack Emcee wrote:
"no, i'm saying whites have no concept of justice and shouldn't expect any"
But I do expect it crack. For me, and also for you.
And if you say whites had supremacy, but have no concept of justice then explain why they gave up supremacy?

Browndog said...

I get how Inga highjacks a thread, and nothing of use comes after her 3rd comment..
What I don't get is when/why Crack joined the Black Panthers-

Gees, dude. I used to take you seriously--as a thinker.

The Crack Emcee said...

Browndog,

Gees, dude. I used to take you seriously--as a thinker.


and I used to take whites seriously - until the laughter over Trayvon. And then I felt betrayed. And now they can't take it back and want to blame me for remembering everything every black person ever warned me about whites. Like betrayal.

How many a-ha moments you need?

jr565 said...

Crack emcee wrote:
Let's say a black goes on a crime spree because this country's never kept a promise, can you blame him? Didn't the country TEACH him it's word is worthless? What is he supposed to be respecting under such a regime? The country? The flag? The sanctity of life?


your people were slaves! and now you have all the rights that whites have. Our current president, the leader of everyone is a black dude! how did this country never keep a promise? How much money is being pumped into the inner cities to try to address poverty? What more do you want? for us to somehow erase the past? This is the hand you were dealt. Play the game and try to get as much as you can.
.

"You demand we live under insane conceits - you are to forget what's happened to you and yours because that makes it convenient for whites to now assess blame as they currently see fit - who would go along with that?"
I don't demand anything. Blacks say they wanted to be integrated. They're integrated. Do blacks want that or not?If not, then best start going the Marcus Garvey route. But if so, stop dwelling on the past. And see the opportunities in the present.

Known Unknown said...

How many a-ha moments you need?


Just one

The Crack Emcee said...

This is the hand you were dealt. Play the game and try to get as much as you can.


but every time we do you say stop picking on me.

The Crack Emcee said...

REPORTER: Why do you rob banks?

DILLINGER: That's where the money is.


Where's the money, jr?

The Crack Emcee said...

This is the hand you were dealt.


This is the hand WE were dealt.


See the difference?

jr565 said...
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Matt said...

Wait, Crack, it was about Trayvon? That was the catalyst for your shift? Who the hell was laughing at Trayvon's death? Where did you see this? How many people were there?

I previously stated to you that I reacted to Trayvon's death the way I generally react to young people dying. I said that I was saddened that he would not have the opportunity to learn from his mistake. For some kids, the mistake is driving while texting. For others it is overdosing on drugs. For Trayvon, it was making it home safely then deciding to go back and start a fight to demonstrate his manliness.

It was unfortunate that he died as a result of youthful bravado taken too far at the wrong time. For that reaction, you called me a Nazi. And a racist. What the fuck? What the fuck is wrong with you?

test said...

no, i'm saying whites have no concept of justice and shouldn't expect any

It's got to be getting harder and harder for Meade to convince himself Crack isn't just a flat out racist.

jr565 said...

Crack Emcee wrote:
"REPORTER: Why do you rob banks?

DILLINGER: That's where the money is.


Where's the money, jr?"


um, banks?

jr565 said...

Crack Emcee wrote:
This is the hand you were dealt.


This is the hand WE were dealt.


See the difference?

will Smiths kids got dealt a far better hand than I did. So who's WE? I still have to go to work every day. His kid gets put in a million dollar movie simply because his dad is Will Smith.
Are you including will Smith's kids in the WE simply because he's black?H ow about a kid born with cancer who happens to be white? or someone born with autism. Blacks are not the only people suffering with misery Crack.

jr565 said...

"Crack Emcee wrote:
and I used to take whites seriously - until the laughter over Trayvon. And then I felt betrayed. And now they can't take it back and want to blame me for remembering everything every black person ever warned me about whites. Like betrayal."

Laughter over Trayvon? first off, not every white person thinks Zimmerman is innocent. Inga is firmly in your camp. Yet you're demonizing her too.


For my part, I think Zimmerman is innocent, but I also think the guy who shot the black teenagers while they were sitting in a car is probably guilty. Why is your litmus test Trayvon Martin and not THAT case when judging my racism?

When I first heard about Trayvon Martin I remember exactly what I said. I said " I don't know much about the case, but if everything I'm hearing is true then clearly Zimmerman is a racist who killed Trayvon Martin"

and what I heard was that Zimmerman stalked stalked him then shot him when he was on his knees begging for his life. And Trayvon Martin was 11 years old. And Zimmerman was a virulent white racist.

Note I said "IF EVERYTHING I'M HEARING WAS TRUE".

Everything that was said wasn't true! In fact almost nothing was, and so, it became pretty clear pretty early on that one side was arguing facts, and the other side was arguing an agenda. And the agenda was "look how bad stand your ground is" and "this is why we need gun control" and "society is racist and blacks need to fear whites who are just waiting to shoot black kids in the face!"
You know that this is true. It was a lefty agenda driven story where the "facts" were shaped to fit the narrative. I could read off a page worth of talking points that were uttered verbatim about the case which were completely not true and yet which were believed by your side with absolute conviction.
And so, you don't just have to argue the facts when arguing that Zimmerman was protecting himself, you have to argue against the straw man and the agenda.

And people like Inga are STILL arguing the talking points as if they're true.
You STILL hear Trayvon Martin and stand your ground uttered in the same sentence for example.Why?

So, I'm sorry if some people didn't go along for the Trayvon Martin ride. Those were the people that paid attention to the case and argued the facts and not the emotion and the agenda.

jr565 said...

Chris Rock made the joke that white bus boys wouldn't give up their whiteness to be Chris Rock. And HES RICH!
I think he'd find that many white bus boys would give up their whiteness to be Chris Rock in a heartbeat. Because, rich and famous is rich and famous.

Birkel said...

Make no mistake:

The Crack Emcee is a standard issue Leftist and a would-be fascist.

Nothing to see here.

Move along.

Anonymous said...

TV Pastor thinks interracial marriage is wrong!

Trashhauler said...

And just who says there cannot be a sane and productive conversation about race in this country?

poppa india said...

I had a black friend who had a (black) Baptist minister father who thought inter-racial marriage was wrong. He (my friend) didn't think so. I suspect a lot of this kind of belief is generational and will be gone after another lifetime or two. There will be a few holdouts, but mostly it will fade out like many other cultural beliefs have.

Birkel said...

Yes, Inga, you did find a squirrel.

Meanwhile, that Democrat who "preaches" at Westboro Baptist Church is busy protesting dead soldiers, homosexuals and what have you.

I can do it too.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Just to recap from Crack:

[American blacks] have no duty to respect the law

[American whites] have no concept of justice and shouldn't expect any [from American blacks]

American whites are paranoid and/or insane to fear American blacks

I...see a problem.

jr565 said...

Look, I don't want to say the Jim Crow or slavery has absolutely NO bearing on black people's behavior now. it probably does. But it's not quantifiable, and at the end of the day, what is the remedy? since what happened happened do you let that past event cripple you or do you remember but still move on and look for opportunities.
I think the issue is more the effects of liberalism on blacks then slavery. They drank the liberal kool aid.
This permissiveness gangster culture is right out of liberalism. But note, it's not limited to blacks. They're just feeling the effects the worst right now.

jr565 said...

Right now, it seems like a lot of blacks want to be coddled. The idea that they'll open the door and get it themselves is an outdated concept. What does society OWE them. I'm not speaking for all blacks here obviously because not all blacks feel this way.
But for those that do, They should be able to rob banks, or commit crimes and not face penalties, or be excused because they suffered in the past? No way.

jr565 said...

Drago wrote:
"Trayvon made it all the way to his intended location, then double-backed and confronted zimmerman and then clocked him, got him on the ground, started beating him up "MMA style" (per actual testimony) and was bashing zimmermans head into the concrete.
"

that ultimately is THE key but of evidence that shows Trayvon Martin was the one who started the fight! and that Zimmerman didn't stalk him. People like Inga should really be forced to answer the question "why did Trayvon Martin get to his dads house but then go to the crime scene?" He was home free! just walk in the door and call the cops, if you think some guy is stalking you.
How many people are in fear for their lives, get to where they're going but then turn around and go back to see their pursuer. I can't imagine any reason, but to confront him/her.

Drago said...

Inga: 'TV Pastor thinks interracial marriage is wrong!"

Inga better bone up on her spike lee movies if she wants to see people who oppose interracial marriage.

White girls are stealing "da black mens"!!eleventy!11!

Inga, what are your thoughts about black activists and individuals who believe that inter-racial marriage is cultural genocide?

What are you thoughts about black activists who believe that inter-racial adoption is cultural genocide?

Don't worry, just like the use of the word "cunt", we all know now you don't really mean a single thing that you lecture us about.

Thanks for playing.

SGT Ted said...

[American blacks] have no duty to respect the law

[American whites] have no concept of justice and shouldn't expect any [from American blacks]


All of them? That's kinda racist.

Crack is now recycling the white, leftist bullshit from the 1960-70's that black criminals are "political prisoners of racist Amerikkka" and are the New Vanguard of the Revolution.

Old whine in different bottles. Trouble is, its turned into vinegar.

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