October 23, 2013

Ted Cruz's wife Heidi is like him in "intensity — and they’re both extremely bright" but: “Nothing in her background remotely approached Ted’s Scalia-like conservatism."

A quote from one of Heidi Cruz's academic mentors in a NYT article titled "A Wife Committed to Cruz’s Ideals, but a Study in Contrasts to Him."

109 comments:

El Pollo Raylan said...

Mrs. Cruz was born in San Luis Obispo, Calif., to parents who were Seventh-day Adventist missionaries.

On this day, October 23, 2013, I hereby predict that Crack Emcee will, three year hence, be filling these very comment sections with scornful reasons to dismiss a Cruz presidency.

madAsHell said...

I couldn't understand the writer's motivation until I read this:

A vegetarian with a Harvard M.B.A., Mrs. Cruz is a managing director at Goldman Sachs

Sssshhhh!! She might be one of us.

Inga said...

Ted Cruz's father Rafael, an interesting character. Wants "great transfer of wealth" into hands of evangelicals like himself.

Mrs. Cruz sounds way too normal to be connected to her husband, but maybe she agrees with her father in law.

somefeller said...

Wait, she didn't get her bachelor's degree from Harvard, Yale or Princeton. Will Ted let her join his study group?

Inga said...

It gets even more interesting. Wow.

His wife may be what is considered normal, but his father.... Whoa."Dominionism? Seven Mountains Mandate"? Mormonism sounds mild compared to this.

Iconochasm said...

Oh,Inga, this is fascinating. Do Obama's dad next!

Inga said...

Read the article and judge for yourself.

rcocean said...

Opposition research and its only 2013!

rcocean said...

Liberals think ahead. Talking points must be prepared.

PowerPoint presentation will be sent out later.

MadisonMan said...

I don't see how Ted Cruz's Senatorship is polarizing as described right off the bat in the article.

Also, from the article:

Senator Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the Senate’s No. 2 Democrat, tried to push Mr. Cruz into admitting that he was on his wife’s blue-chip Goldman health plan

Nothing is more blue-chip, Healthcare-wise, than the Senate's plan. I hope someone has suggested that to Durbin.

Titus said...

Harvard and vege-this is the type of person you wingnuts would absolutely hate.

Titus said...

"On this day, October 23, 2013, I hereby predict that Crack Emcee will, three year hence, be filling these very comment sections with scornful reasons to dismiss a Cruz presidency."

Who cares limp? it is not like he has an even remote chance of winning the general election. The primary...definitely though.

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Revenant said...

Ted Cruz's father Rafael, an interesting character.

Reagan's dad was a wife-beating drunk. So was Clinton's. The patriarch of the Bush family had Nazi ties. Obama's parents were a bigamist and a communist.

It is a miracle the republic's survived, really, what with all these crazy parents. :)

Inga said...

It's not just Cruz's father that is crazy. Cruz practices the same religion as his father. Do libertarians now think a Theocracy is Ok?

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Revenant said...

It's not just Cruz's father that is crazy. Cruz practices the same religion as his father.

Cruz is a Southern Baptist. That's the church Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Al Gore were raised in.

Scary stuff!

Inga said...

From a Methodist minister, "The theology of a government shutdown.

As a Democrat, I really do encourage rightists to run Cruz for President. I predict the biggest win by a Democratic President in the history of the US.

Birkel said...

Oh, bother. It's almost as if "Inga" has received "her" talking points and will now regale us with examples from "her family" directly on point.

I make myself laugh so...

Birkel said...

"...biggest win by a Democratic (sic) president..."

At least you're not predicting a bigger win than Reagan over Mondale in 1984. That may be the first "wise" thing you've ever typed.

Revenant said...

Step 1: Elect Southern Baptist
Step 2: ...
Step 3: Theocracy!

YoungHegelian said...

@Inga,

I watched the whole video. What struck me most is the whole service is in front of a giant menorah with a star of David on the podium. Clearly, philo-semitism runs strong in this group. Probably, they are dispensationalist in their theology.

The video is so poorly edited that it's hard to tell what's going on, but it appears that Rafael Cruz is riffing on Proverbs 13:22 & on the meeting of Melchizedek & Abraham at Gen. 14:18-20**. He seems to be breaking his Christian community into "Warriors" & "Priests", and I'm not sure where that theology comes from (Paddy, you out there?). But, this is really standard Calvinist "Saints in the World" kinda stuff. The "wealth of the wicked" is clearly meant to be understood metaphorically, and is used as such in Proverbs. And every time someone uses the word "dominion" in a sermon, it doesn't mean they're a "Dominionist". It's a good biblical word.

Do not ever get your news on any Christian topic from Alternet. They haven't a clue. Before anyone gets their panties in a wad over this stuff it really helps to actually try & understand the the theology of the group in question. I had to work at it. You can, too. Do you think that coming from my over-intellectualized French Catholic background I have some natural theological sympathy for these people? Not in the least, but, they, too, have something to say.

**A good person leaves an inheritance for their children’s children, but a sinner’s wealth is stored up for the righteous.

Titus said...

Inga, please dont bring up candidate's religion and where they went to church....totally inappropriate and Sullivanist.

But Inga, please it is a waste of time.

Ted Cruz will never ever be the president of the U.S. The president of the Confederacy though definitely.

Inga said...

These "Southern Baptists" have some very very odd beliefs. If a Mormon couldn't make it, this guy won't even get close.

David said...

Could they just not admire this admirable woman?

Here's the media formula:

(Bill + Barack) x (Hillary + Michelle) x media hype =/ Heidi - media snark.

Inga said...

Titus, I don't care what religion any President is or isn't. As long as they don't try to mix religion with governing. From what I've now read about Cruz and his father, I think that has already happened.

Revenant said...

I predict the biggest win by a Democratic President in the history of the US.

Almost certainly. What are the odds that voters would be so tired of the increasingly-unpopular current administration that they would turn to an ethnic minority junior Senator who attends a nutty church. Voters haven't done something THAT crazy in almost five years!

David said...

Inga said...
Read the article and judge for yourself


But be sure to take your guilt by association and sins of the father pills before you read it. Otherwise Inga's point will make no sense.

Michael said...

Inga: Agree. That dumb motherfucker Jimmie Carter is a SB.

YoungHegelian said...

@Inga,

What strange beliefs? Every "belief" you've alluded to goes back to the theologically illiterate alternet article.

When it comes to mixing faith & politics, every lefty gets up in arms....unless it's the black churches. Or liberation theology. Suddenly, it's all fine & a force for progress.

When the lefties tell the blacks to leave their "benighted faith" at home or just not showing up at voting booth, then I'll believe just how much the Left worries about separation of church & state.

Revenant said...

These "Southern Baptists" have some very very odd beliefs. If a Mormon couldn't make it, this guy won't even get close.

That explains why Kennedy and Obama were the only Democratic presidents since FDR died. Americans don't tolerate that Bible-thumpin' stuff. :)

Titus said...

Face it pubes and very pube Limp you need to "evolve" which I know is totally not cool.

You will continue to win Big Time in Mississippi and South Carolina and Alabama.....but lose big time in the states that actually matter....except TEXAS...natch.

When Limp votes in California he always loses statewide elections and national elections which causes him to get more limp.

YoungHegelian said...

@Titus,

I hate to break it to ya, buddy, but you & the hubby aren't popping out lots of little gay babies, while Cruz & his ilk are popping out lots of little born-againers.

They're the ones who are showing up for the future.

Inga said...

Young Hegelian, did you read the article from the Methodist Minister? My link at 8:09PM.

YoungHegelian said...

@Inga,

Yeah, I did. So, you get some lefty minister & he sources back to the video, which he, too, misreads, and I'm supposed to be impressed?

There are no shortage of left-wing tools in the ministry, Inga. Matter of fact, in the mainstream Protestant denominations, "left wing dick" is basically the default setting, which is a major reason why they're losing congregants to the evangelicals hand over fist.

Inga said...

Cruz and his father can call themselves Southern Baptists, but I don't think its the kind of Southern Baptists most people know of. Certainly not Carter's or Clinton's Southern Baptist.

Freeman Hunt said...

Being a Southern Baptist down here is like being someone who shops for food at the grocery store.

Inga said...

Young Hegelian, I really have no expectations for rightists. With people like these Democrats have nothing to worry about.

Inga said...

These are not typical Southern Baptists at all, that's pretty evident.

YoungHegelian said...

@Inga,

If you think these people are weird, I invite you to find on the internet a radio station that streams a Sunday service from a black urban church. Don't go for the ones where it's all the hi-yallers & the upper crusty blacks, go for a good ghetto church. You're gonna be in for a surprise.

At least, at Cruz's service, nobody "gets the Spirit" and falls screaming & writhing on the floor.

Inga said...

Young Hegelan, I grew up in an Assemblies of God church. Pentecostal. All that speaking in tounges and flinging oneself on the floor, gnashing of teeth and crying, I've seen it all. Made me into the liberal I am today.

Inga said...

That's one of the reasons these extreme religions scare me.

YoungHegelian said...

@Inga,

I can understand why you left it. I would have, too.

But, religious beliefs & practices are like sex -- when someone turns a camera on your practices, everyone goes "oh, my God, you do that...", until, of course, the camera gets turned on one's own practices & then it's everyone else's turn to be appalled.

To me, American Protestantism is just a never ended carnival of weirdness (he said, before going to mass to chew on Jesus). Cruz's bozos are just part of the show. But, to think, "Oh, my team doesn't have people like that" is just wrong, pretty much no matter what one's politics are in 21st century America.

Revenant said...

Cruz and his father can call themselves Southern Baptists, but I don't think its the kind of Southern Baptists most people know of.

Well of course not. They're Republicans, and Republican religious people are by definition scary and ominous.

Sorun said...

"Cruz practices the same religion as his father. Do libertarians now think a Theocracy is Ok?"

Yes. We have theocracies whenever a religious Republican wins an election. Along with women getting abortions in dark alleys.

Revenant said...

Don't forget the birth control bans and the millions of poor people dying of starvation and disease, Sorun.

rcocean said...

I find Cruz so scary. Its almost like Hitler, all over again.

somefeller said...

My personal favorite was when Cruz went into total conspiracy theorist mode (or acted like he did) and called the Council on Foreign Relations a pit of vipers at a Tea Party event somewhere in Texas. Even though his wife was a member of that organization. Must've been a cold reception when he got home that night!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1011/A_pit_of_vipers_also_his_wife.html

Mick Havoc said...

Plus ya gotta take two of them along when ya go fishin cuz if ya only take one he will drink all yer beer!

YoungHegelian said...

So, this old priest finished hearing a nun's confession, and, making small talk, he asked her "Sister, if you hadn't become a nun, what would you have become?"

"A prostitute."

The priest unleashes an audible gasp, and says "Sister, what did you just say?"

"A prostitute, father."

"Oh, thank God, sister! I thought you said a protestant!"

El Pollo Raylan said...

rcocean said...
I find Cruz so scary. Its almost like Hitler, all over again.

Cruz => Kruz => Kreuz => Hakenkreuz

Only three steps in some people's mind.

NotquiteunBuckley said...

"theologically illiterate" is an interest of yours I presume?

No matter I am.

Of interest is "thinking" about it. By doing so, rather than not thinking about it, which is to say something concurrent with being without prejudice regarding anyone's religious beliefs, such as in places where innocence occurs, which is typically not amongst those I know at my age, isn't bigotry.

It is your term, which is a good one.

Paul Zrimsek said...

Wake me up when Rafael Cruz gets to "God damn America".

YoungHegelian said...

@NQB,

You're trying to say something in your last post, but for the life of me I have no idea what it could be.

Care to try again?

NotquiteunBuckley said...

OF MUCH INTEREST:

When thinking of Inga, I often resort to several numeralities of consequence most certainly proved with a successsful lived life with MORE yet to LIVE!

You're the best girl!!!

I wish I coulda had like a thousand of your babies is what the girl in American Beauty (Inga!!!) is to me.

NotquiteunBuckley said...

With Scott Walker as your head guy in Wisco maybe stick to national, federal politics thought from now on because Wisconson has Tammby Balbwin but also Scott Walker too.

NotquiteunBuckley said...

My healthcare has beeen okay because I have surved the system right and it surves my why don't you wingnutters suck more balls thand teabaggers and get with it?

Mark said...

"Do libertarians now think a Theocracy is Ok?"

Libertarians believe in free will. Show me anyplace other than your imagination that Cruz is in any way predisposed to "Theocracy".

But, speaking of free will: once a shill, always a shill.

NotquiteunBuckley said...

Tuesday I wrote how I toaked this guy and he told me Obamacare was easy, only like the Delay and Bush were the problem because of anti-Patriot act parannoias.

Mark said...

I also remember that the Inga's and Titus' of the world thought Romney was the only sane Republican until just after he won the nomination.

Mark said...

Pardon, that should have been "secured the nomination."

NotquiteunBuckley said...

YH:

I am clearly not thinking clearly.

But one thing I know is I am as your term describes.

Mostly, I got about 3/4 of the way through Nearer, My God and skimmed about 10 pages of the rest.

I figure that foundation has me light-years ahead of most who aren't scared shitless by the thought they think they are "light-years ahead" of anyone about anything anytime, save God.

Revenant said...

and called the Council on Foreign Relations a pit of vipers at a Tea Party event somewhere in Texas. Even though his wife was a member of that organization.

Oh, he's much crazier than that. Cruz has even attacked the ethical character of Congress even though he belongs to Congress even as we speak. Can you believe it?

eddie willers said...

When it comes to mixing faith & politics, every lefty gets up in arms....unless it's the black churches. Or liberation theology.

Or Islam...or Wiccan.

NotquiteunBuckley said...

Like, Scalia type-conservatism is icky with cooties and stuff.

NotquiteunBuckley said...

I do question this Cruz character.

Did anyone talk to him at Harvard?

Yes.

Okay then.

Harvard.

Bitches.

Inga, cunt, HARVARD.

H.
A.
R.
V.
A.
R.
D.

You got nothing.

NOTHING.

We got HARVARD.

You little weak ass politicker.

WE GOTS US HARVARD YO!!!!

NotquiteunBuckley said...

Inga, I hate to brake it to you, but I know lawyers.

Attorneys.

At law.

When they wake up, they go to work at the law.

Okay.

So just stop with mentions when I am not in the thread.

The first two or ten times I think "okay she's just nutso." After that, I just start to worry for my life.

NotquiteunBuckley said...

How about this:

I control all the corn and tell blue states to fuck off.

Kinda like finance/entertainment versa. I would throw insurance in there too because that's what I would do: throw insurance in there too.

I will burn all the corn, as an arsonist, but only after holding hostages that I terrorized like the KKK did to their victims.

HEAR ME ROAR.

Mark said...

Inga, you are all scare tactics re: what are you allowed to believe?

And yet, if I believe Obamacare will lead to less care for majority of the population (which actual data supports) I need to be shut down because...

Fill in your ad hominem of the moment.

Mark said...

To get back to the original article:

"Two really smart people who may not agree on politics still get hot for each other."

Describes my romantic history, actually.

Rusty said...

I think it's wonderful Inga has found a god she can believe in.

I just wish she'd quit proselytizing so much.

Worse than the christers, she is.

damikesc said...

Maybe Cruz didn't notice it. I mean, Obama didn't notice his church was virulently racist for over 20 years.

And, since wives are now fair game, did Cruz's wife ever get a high-paying job at a hospital that was just created JUST as her husband gained some political power and when she quit, they didn't fill her position again?

Did Cruz' dad have multiple wives? Was his mom a Communist who left her child with her mother because she was too much of a flake to raise him herself?

Did Cruz smoke pot and do other harder drugs in college? Why did Dershowitz call him off-the-charts brilliant and why has, LITERALLY, no professor (or anybody who knew him in college) ever verified Obama's brilliance as a student or as an instructor?

I'm asking, you see, because this is now relevant.

damikesc said...

Also, why do Progressives find it so mind-boggling that intelligent people with different views can end up together? Do all Progs only see other Progs?

Sounds pathetic. No wonder they're so bitter.

Skyler said...

Why does anyone read the New York Times?

Bruce Hayden said...

To me, American Protestantism is just a never ended carnival of weirdness (he said, before going to mass to chew on Jesus).

Well, it is all relevant. Never did understand all the smoke, praying to graven images, priests having sex with little boys instead of getting married. Don't they read the Bible? (ok, their/your Bible is a bit different from ours, for example deleting the Commandment against graven images - but not as much as the Mormons who apparently added stuff to theirs that predicts their faith).

And that was arguably what the Reformation was about - getting back to scripture. Much of the theological difference between mainline Protestantism and Roman Catholicism was the rejection of the latter's sacred traditions by the former when they conflicted with scripture. Of course, Protestantism has long been a big tent, where the only unifying requirements seem to be a belief in the Trinity, and a rejection of Papal authority.

Bruce Hayden said...

Well, it is all relevant.

Should have been "relative", not "relevant".

somefeller said...

Why does anyone read the New York Times?

It's one of the little rituals of life among educated, upper middle class professionals. Perhaps the day will come when you will join those ranks and you can partake in the ritual rather than wallow in resentment of those who do. But if not, you'll always have your horse.

LarsPorsena said...

I'm starting to warm to Cruz since all the right people hate him.

damikesc said...

It's one of the little rituals of life among educated, upper middle class professionals.

...yet their circulation is dropping as is their revenue.

Odd.

I guess there are fewer upper middle class professionals. Likely due to policies espoused by the NYT...

Peter said...

Tyler Cowen, in his new book "Average is Over," briefly looks at behaviors at online dating sites. He claims that political conservatives are far more likely to show interest in those who have declared themselves to be politically Liberal than the reverse.

(Perhaps he has good evidence for this, buy presently I don't recall what his evidence was.)

somefeller said...

...yet their circulation is dropping as is their revenue. Odd.

Nothing odd about it. Such is the nature of the newspaper business these days. But I'm confident the NYT will transform and survive.

I guess there are fewer upper middle class professionals. Likely due to policies espoused by the NYT...

You've guessed wrong, which is probably not uncommon. Upper middle class professionals have weathered the economic storm left behind by George W. Bush fairly well, while others haven't. And yet, such people aren't drawn to conservatism. If they go right, they generally take great effort in calling themselves libertarians. Wonder why that is?

Brando said...

She seems like a nice lady with a lot going for her--and the fact that she chose to be with him speaks to his credit. Still doesn't change the fact that he's one of the most dangerous threats to conservatism out there today.

Illuninati said...

In reading the comments, it strikes me that comments from the left/neo-pagans ooze antichristian bigotry. The question is why they hate a religion so passionately which was instrumental in the foundation of Western Civilization? On the other hand, when leftists discuss Islam you find understanding and respect.

How can anyone who belongs to a movement(leftism, neo-paganism, Marxism) which is responsible for the death of 100 million or so humans in one century plus the impoverishment and torture of countless more mount their moral high horse and call other people creepy or strange? I'll take creepy or strange any day to bigoted and murderous.

Broomhandle said...

"I'm starting to warm to Cruz since all the right people hate him."

Me too. If they're foaming at the mouth over at Alternet he must be a comer.

damikesc said...

Nothing odd about it.

It's something upper middle class professionals read. Only way it is declining is if there are fewer of them, logically.

Upper middle class professionals have weathered the economic storm left behind by George W. Bush fairly well, while others haven't

You're aware it is documented, extensively, that the rich have done extremely well under Obama while the poor have suffered, right?

There is less and less of a middle class, thanks to Progressive policies.

And yet, such people aren't drawn to conservatism. If they go right, they generally take great effort in calling themselves libertarians. Wonder why that is?

Because Republicans are useless. I'm not a Republican any longer, either. If McCain runs against Hillary, our best hope is that nobody votes period. If Christie runs, hopefully, he'll take 4 years off to suck the ton of fat out of his guts and his head.

I'll vote for Cruz. I'll vote for Paul. There isn't another Republican presently I'd debate voting for.

Rusty said...

somefeller said...
Why does anyone read the New York Times?

It's one of the little rituals of life among educated, upper middle class professionals. Perhaps the day will come when you will join those ranks and you can partake in the ritual rather than wallow in resentment of those who do. But if not, you'll always have your horse.

Really?
Then what do you read?

cubanbob said...

The snark of the lefties here is a joy to behold. The left must really be scared of Cruz. Hey guys don't worry. Your nightmare won't come true. Cruz won't become president. Instead he will be a bigger nightmare for you when he becomes Senate Majority Leader.

Kirk Parker said...

Inga,

"I grew up in an Assemblies of God church... That's one of the reasons these extreme religions scare me."

Good grief, how does the incoherent non-sequitur formed by those two statements not just stare you in the face here? These "extreme" Pentecostals have been with us now for over a century When did they ever harm us??? But no, no harm in the past, it's always just gonna gonna RSN...

Kirk Parker said...

Illuninati,

"The question is why they hate a religion so passionately which was instrumental in the foundation of Western Civilization?"

Wait--you don't think they hate Western Civ itself with every bone of their self-hating bodies???

Illuninati said...

Kirk Parker, I agree that the left hates Western Civilization but I'm not convinced most of them hate themselves. I believe the separation lies at a much deeper spiritual level.

For me, one of the strongest signs that Jesus is exactly whom he said he was is the hatred that he and those who follow him engender in those who have rejected him. How could anyone who is alive spiritually fail to love a being who said:

John 3:16-18
16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
NIV

However, as Paul discovered, there are plenty of haters.
2 Cor 2:14-17

14 But thanks be to God, who always leads us in triumphal procession in Christ and through us spreads everywhere the fragrance of the knowledge of him. 15 For we are to God the aroma of Christ among those who are being saved and those who are perishing. 16 To the one we are the smell of death; to the other, the fragrance of life. And who is equal to such a task?
NIV

Mike said...

Illuminati for the win! 1:07

Inga said...

So, if one doesn't believe in your brand of Christianity Illuninati, one isn't Christian enough and doesn't love Jesus? Sounds like something Glenn Beck said about Obama.

Oh those poor Jews, they must be doomed. Repent Jews! Accept Jesus as your personal savior!

Inga said...

Those darn Fundamentalists, just out to save your soul. Muslim Fundamentalists got their foothold in secular countries, guess what happened?

But Christian Fundamentalists would not go back to the days of the Inquisition!

Mike said...

Two things that puzzle me:

1. Why does Inga act like quoting the Bible is the same as hate speech?

2. Do pro-regressives not understand that the vast majority of our Founding Fathers were deeply religious and it is their Christian faith that informed their desire to keep government from declaring which religions are "allowed"?

How is that Ted Cruz's personal faith (if you could even know such a thing) would lead to a theocracy but the prayers said by patriots to open the first Congress -- and every one since --- has not lead to a theocracy?

How can idiots compare Islam -- which explicitly supplants government with religion -- to Christianity in all its myriad forms, and even form a tentative link to the same outcome? Christians are told (in that horribly hate-filled Bible!) to "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" -- which is commanded about the exact subject of taxation and government and how we ought to behave. Is Inga so ignorant as to not understand such a simple concept?

Kirk Parker said...

Inga, people closely related to today's Fundamentalists were among the victims of the Inquisition.

Inga said...

Actually Jews were the main victims of the Inquisition.

Kirk Parker said...

Inga,

Do you like to argue just for the sake of arguing? I never said that numerically the largest number of victims weren't Jews, just that some early proto-fundies were also among the victims and (by implication) most definitely NOT among the perpetrators.

Illuninati said...

Inga said:
"So, if one doesn't believe in your brand of Christianity Illuninati, one isn't Christian enough and doesn't love Jesus? Sounds like something Glenn Beck said about Obama."

Inga, you don't know anything about "my brand" of Christianity. The fact that I am defending fundamentalist Christians doesn't mean I agree with everything they teach. The same goes with the Pentacostals. The Mormons are an entirely different kettle of fish, but for the most part they also have a strong commitment to traditional Western Civilization.

Inga also said:
"Oh those poor Jews, they must be doomed. Repent Jews! Accept Jesus as your personal savior!"

Some of the strongest supporters of the Jewish state are Christian Fundamentalists, especially the dispensationalists. There are some Christians who believe Jews must accept Jesus as their personal savior to be saved just like everyone else, so what? Other Christians believe that Jews already worship the same true God and will play an important role in God's plan for the future.

Inga said:
"Those darn Fundamentalists, just out to save your soul. Muslim Fundamentalists got their foothold in secular countries, guess what happened?

But Christian Fundamentalists would not go back to the days of the Inquisition!"

The Inquisition was part of the Roman Catholic church. It has nothing to do with Fundamentalist Christians at all. If anything they were the victims of the inquisition. People similar to Fundamentalist Christians were so committed to religious freedom that they were willing to die for their right to worship God according to their consciences. Anyone who bothers to read the documents at Vatican II which is the official doctrine of the Roman Catholic church will find a strong statement about freedom of religion. The Inquisition was a long time ago and the Catholic church has moved on. In other words, outside the fevered imaginations of the left, there is no evidence that Christians desire to return to the Inquisition.

Inga, your statement about Muslim fundamentalists does not make sense if you understand Islam. There are Christian Fundamentalists who are happy to call themselves Fundamentalists. They are also committed to religious liberty. To the best of my knowledge, there are no Muslim Fundamentalists. Fundamentalist is a term which Muslims do not usually apply to themselves. Indeed, some Muslims believe that it is an insult to Islam to talk about Muslim Fundamentalists. Here is Erdogan's assessment:
"Turkey is not a country where moderate Islam prevails. This expression is wrong. The word Islam is uninflected, it is only Islam. If you say moderate Islam, then an alternative is created, and that is immoderate Islam. As a Muslim, I can't accept such a concept."
By making a false classification of Muslims, it is easy to overlook the truth about Islam. The vast majority of Muslims take the Koran as the exact words of God. That is standard theology among both the Sunni Muslims (including the Sufis) and the Shiite Muslims.

Inga, you didn't offer any positive evidence that the left is morally superior to anyone. The crimes of the left far exceed the crimes committed by the Inquisition both in sheer numbers of victims and in the terrible societies for which those victims were slaughtered. Christians have acknowledged that in hindsight there were problems with the Inquisition and have made theological adjustments. Leftists have not accepted responsibility for the massive volume of murders by their fellow left/neo-pagans/Marxists and show no sign that they have changed their basic belief structure as a result. Because the left has no objective standard against which to measure their morality they are subject to a morality through the mimetic process which is not conducive to moral reflection or progress.

Inga said...

This is why conservatism and Republicans are in decline. Just read Illuninati. 'Nuff said.

Inga said...

I hope the Pope moves Catholics away from the influence of Fundamentalists. The craziness has escalated to such levels that some actually use the terms "left/neo pagan/Marxists" with a straight face.

Revenant said...

Actually Jews were the main victims of the Inquisition.

Here's a hint, kiddo: there was no such thing as a non-fundamentalist Jew until the 19th century.

The medieval Judaism, like medieval Christianity, made today's Religious Right look like a pack of limp-wristed liberals.

Inga said...

I guess it will take sane conservatives to remove themselves from these extremists, perhaps they will eventually have enough of this lunacy.

Marshal said...

Inga said...
The craziness has escalated to such levels that some actually use the terms "left/neo pagan/Marxists" with a straight face


Amateurism. Some crazy lefty once claimed if we didn't vote for Obama we'd risk the Handmaid's Tale coming true in America.

Inga said...

Perhaps young Christians will be the ones to break away from the madness.

Revenant said...

Progressive churches have been "emerging" for a hundred and fifty years. They always die out.

When you accept that it is the business of the state to provide for all earthly needs and wants, God is superfluous.

Illuninati said...

Inga said:
"The craziness has escalated to such levels that some actually use the terms "left/neo pagan/Marxists" with a straight face."

In referring to neo-pagans I am not necessarily describing any particular religious belief. In some cases, I use the term pagan in the following sense:
" one who has little or no religion and who delights in sensual pleasures and material goods : an irreligious or hedonistic person"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pagan

Many on the left are proud Pagans with Pagan religious beliefs, especially their reverence for mother Earth, Gaia. Another religious group of Pagans were the Nazis. Hitler believed in God, just not the Christian God. Marxism is officially atheistic but in many ways serves as a substitute religion. What all these groups have in common is that they despise traditional Christianity and reject long established Judeo-Christian morality.

Bob Loblaw said...

The question is why they hate a religion so passionately which was instrumental in the foundation of Western Civilization? On the other hand, when leftists discuss Islam you find understanding and respect.

They can pick on the papists and the protestants with all the impunity in the world. Progs fear no retaliation from groups who really do practice turning the other cheek.

"Respect" for Islam is rooted in fear: piss off the wrong Muslim and you may get your head sawn off, with the video posted on Facebook.

Illuninati said...

I looked up the site Inga linked to by Frank Schaeffer. It has been years since I read a book by his father,Francis Schaeffer, but in the book I read he came across as a highly intelligent reasoned man. I have no knowledge about the internal workings of his organization and don't really care. I do wonder if the father lived long enough recognize how his son would turn on him when he was not able to defend himself and degrade his legacy?

I think this statement by Frank neatly sums what I have been saying about the left:
"The root cause of the shutdown is the evangelical religious right. Intransigent theology, myth-based literalism of biblical interpretation and fact-free politics, crafted as a reaction to social change is at the heart of the fiasco we’re witnessing. It’s not about the economy stupid, it’s all about our embattled competing views of God."

Here Schaefer accuses the other side of the debate of operating a "fact-free politics" yet his statement is heavy on character attacks against his opponents but short on facts.

1. From the right, the battle was over a new entitlement program, not over religion. Whatever Ted Cruz's personal faith might be was irrelevant to the political issue being worked out. One of Ted Cruz's early and persistent supporters is Mark Levin, a Jew - hardly a Fundamentalist Christian. However, as Frank has demonstrated, from the standpoint of the left this is indeed a religious battle. Their primary interest in changing society is apparently as a method to weaken traditional Christian beliefs.

2. "Intransigent theology." The left hates traditional theology which will not bend to their will. They are on a religious crusade against traditional Christianity and will do everything they can to break it.

3. "myth-based literalism of biblical interpretation"

4."It’s not about the economy stupid, it’s all about our embattled competing views of God" According to the right it is about the economy with the miserably slow recovery under the Democrats, but apparently to the left the entire struggle is a religious war which they have declared on traditional Christian believers and ultimately on Christianity itself.

Thank-you Inga for linking to this article which makes my point so vividly. As your article so vividly articulates, the left is not just a political movement. It is a religious movement which is determined to destroy Biblical Christianity. This article casts a spotlight on the neo-pagan religious movement within the left about which I have been posting.