May 7, 2013

"Married high school teacher Jennifer Vigil, 31, allegedly pounced on her now 18-year-old victim at Pojoaque Valley High School..."

"... 'You're not leaving until I get something from you,' she reportedly threatened him."
He said he refused to have intercourse but agreed to let her perform oral sex so he could leave — taking a cellphone picture of the act which he later handed to police as evidence.

They then had sex some days later after Vigil dismissed a science class.

Vigil — married since July 2009 — told cops the "relationship" was consensual and says the student made the first move. But he claims he found the whole incident "disgusting."

109 comments:

Jay said...

Since there are multiple stories about this every week, and kids are at least 1,000 times more likely to be sexually assaulted by a teacher than shot in school, where are the "do it for the children" Democrats on this epidemic?

Oh, ignoring it because teachers unions are some of their largest contributors.

Never mind.

LYNNDH said...

Having been a teenager at one time, in another time long ago, if the teacher was any way good looking, I seriously doubt he found it disgusting. I certainly had a "crush" on my HS English teacher, just out of college her first yr teaching. I would not have said no, and I would not have been scared for lige.

gerry said...

Let's see, using Cedarford's reasoning (which is seldom logical): We are hearing about these incidents only once in a while, and since most incidents like this are not reported due to intimidation of the victims, THEN THIS HAPPENDING MOST OF THE TIME.

PEDERASTIC PEDAGOGUES! THE PLACE IS LOUSY WITH THEM!

David said...

As usual a teacher with a vagina will get leniency that the penis equipped will never find.

Equality!

bagoh20 said...

"She has been suspended from her job and faces two counts of criminal sexual penetration of a student and is being held on $25,000 bond."

WTF?

gerry said...

scared for lige

...plus the rest of the post seems to indicate impairment of some some kind.

Jay said...

It seems increasingly clear only sexual predators and/or weirdos go into teaching.

Good thing we need to "hire more teachers" huh?

Pogo said...

"Having been a teenager at one time, in another time long ago, if the teacher was any way good looking, I seriously doubt he found it disgusting."

My very pretty religion(!) teacher hit on me in high school, when I was a senior.

I was dating the girl I would eventually marry, so, no way. I was a bit disgusted, actually, and a little creeped out.

Oso Negro said...

"Drawing up to her full five-foot height, she cast him to the floor of the classroom. He lay helpless before her." OK. Maybe more P.E. is in order for these young fellows.

damikesc said...

Sadly, I view this absolutely differently than I would if a man did this to a female student.

Although, I do wonder why it's the Catholic Church that has the rep of abusing kids when public schools have a longer history of doing it and cover it up even more.

Tim said...

What good are teachers unions anyway if they can't protect teachers from sexually predatory students?

cubanbob said...

Maybe I'm just a throwback but back in the day unless the teacher was a three bagger I would have happily accepted a BJ from the teacher. No threats would have been required.

cubanbob said...

Maybe I'm just a throwback but back in the day unless the teacher was a three bagger I would have happily accepted a BJ from the teacher. No threats would have been required.

Tim said...

"Although, I do wonder why it's the Catholic Church that has the rep of abusing kids when public schools have a longer history of doing it and cover it up even more."

No, you don't really wonder why, do you?

Seriously?

Renee said...

You rarely hear of an accountant or engineer stuck in a cubicle doing this.

Candidates for teaching positions should have a mental eval before being allowed in the classroom alone.

Icepick said...

OK. Maybe more P.E. is in order for these young fellows.

Winning!

Icepick said...

I like the fact that after he was 'forced' into it the first time, he managed to find himself alone with her again a few days later. 'But I HAD to fuck her! She threatened me with DETENTION!'

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Renee said...

@damikesc


Because the Church moved them from one parish to another.... the number of abusers per a predator was really high.

The percentage of priests actually harming was low, but damage was significant.

Palladian said...

Why are we wasting money prosecuting this sort of nonsense? Seems like the "poor young victim" is just trying to cash in, after getting his rocks off a couple of times.

cubanbob said...

My very pretty religion(!) teacher hit on me in high school, when I was a senior.

It's like a lotto. Other people are always winning but never me.

MadisonMan said...

I'm suspicious, given that the teacher is 5' nothing. And the male student somehow can't say see ya and walk out? And then later that week they're having intercourse?

Tim said...

"The percentage of priests actually harming was low, but damage was significant.'

True enough.

But that's not the biggest reason "for the rep," by a long shot.

Dante said...

Maybe it wasn't legitimate rape. After all, the guy had to want it, didn't he?

Or maybe he is a closet heterosexual.

And why didn't he drop his class? He was asking for it: he knew what she wanted. That's like asking to be raped.

It is a bit confusing to me.

phx said...

No, you don't really wonder why, do you?

If it's all clear to you, explain what the heck he means to me.

What makes anyone think the public schools have a longer history of child abuse? I never heard that, where does that come from? Isn't it more likely child abuse in schools has been going on since there were schools, parochial or public?

What does it mean public schools have a history of "covering it up even more"? They're better at covering it up? They go to greater lengths?

rhhardin said...

Nobody is surprised that pedophiles are attracted to teaching, so they turn up.

But Guggenbuhl-Craig adds that borderline pedophiles make good teachers, because they can sustain an interest in the kids where a normal adult cannot.

Women also get that edge over men, in the ability to sustain an interest.

There's a huge media eyeball market for the thing in any case, probably a market for the narrative of the innocent child and its recoil narrative, the evil adult.

The innocent child is a recent development.

traditionalguy said...

She obviously did not know how to give a good blow job. Maybe she is Polish and thought "bite me" meant literally.

Today's internet taught teens are so sophisticated about sex that the guy actually wanted his freedom and self respect more than he wanted to taste the forbidden fruit.

Sexual morality rules create that sexual excitement that today's all in your face lusty bodies for free 24/7 never creates. God wanted us to enjoy life and enjoy the excitement of sex. That's why he gave us his Torah rules.

phx said...

But Guggenbuhl-Craig adds that borderline pedophiles make good teachers, because they can sustain an interest in the kids where a normal adult cannot.

Yikes. I don't think that's anything parents are going to be excited to hear about.

Mitchell the Bat said...

If I'm on that jury there's no way in hell she's getting convicted of anything.

Scott M said...

"criminal sexual penetration"...because shooting someone with a gun was already against the law?

What if you junior-high the rim for four hours without plunging in? Is that "criminal sexual heavy petting"?

Jay said...

Have a child, relative, or friend abused by a public school teacher?

Thank a union.

LYNNDH said...

Sorry, ment "life". Too early in morning for clear typing.
And yes, if a male teacher did this to either sex, or is the victim here was female I would say different. Double standard, it is what it is.

Oso Negro said...

phx said...

What makes anyone think the public schools have a longer history of child abuse?... Isn't it more likely child abuse in schools has been going on since there were schools, parochial or public?

5/7/13, 9:03 AM


It is my recollection that public schools evolved from orphanages in Germany in the 1750s. The orphanages had appeared shortly after the rise of larger mills. Orphanages, conveniently located near the mills, supplied mill workers by day and sex workers by night. Before the mills, the orphanages weren't needed.

Shanna said...

agreed to let her perform oral sex so he could leave

I have a hard time believing that a teenage boy could not physically get away from his teacher. Even if the door was locked, he could have just waited it out or taken the keys away by force, right? I just find that unlikely.

Now if he's saying that he was worried about grades or some other repercussions then that's a different story. She should be fired, either way obvoiusly.

phx said...

I have a hard time believing that a teenage boy could not physically get away from his teacher.

Didn't we just see the same thing when a grown-a$$ rapper couldn't get away from a female fan who performed oral sex on him, onstage?

Must be a theme for AA.

Darrell said...

Secular teachers, counselors, psychologists, social workers--people that work with children, especially those alone with children in their work, lead the statistics for sexual abuse of children. By a wide margin. NYC has a special place that insiders call "the rubber room" where teachers show up to collect a paycheck with no work required after they have been accused of abuse. In those cases criminal charges couldn't be brought for some reason--like the lack of cooperating witnesses. School system always tried to make the cases go away quietly whenever possible and many parents choose to just help the whole thing go away. It not just in the US. The UK schools did the same thing for a hundred years or more. Teachers may be asked to leave and are given a reference. The teachers move on to places that are unaware of their personal history. As far as total number and even frequency go, Catholic priests are way down on the list. You may think differently because of the inordinate amount of press those cases received. It had a lot to do with thirty years of past abuse being discussed all at once, however. And rumors about large and quick settlements drawing out false accusers.

Mick Havoc said...

5 feet tall eh?
There is an old joke about a place to rest your beer in there somewhere.

Mick Havoc said...

5 feet tall eh?
There is an old joke about a place to rest your beer in there somewhere.

Michael Haz said...

But was it a union blow job? A blow job with higher benefits and a kick-ass retirement plan?

Because...for the kids!

ndspinelli said...

Haz, A union blowjob means only 5 minutes, and then a 10 minute break!

I'm continually amazed @ how attractive these predatory teachers are.

edutcher said...

You noticed that, too.

damikesc said...

Sadly, I view this absolutely differently than I would if a man did this to a female student.

Although, I do wonder why it's the Catholic Church that has the rep of abusing kids when public schools have a longer history of doing it and cover it up even more.


Your kid is more likely to be abused by a union teacher than a Catholic priest.

Nomennovum said...
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Nomennovum said...

I hope she gets everything she is entitled to in the divorce from her sap of a husband: Alimony, child support, the house, one-half of the marital assets, a slap or two, further public humiliation, and a new position in a certain high school in suburban LI circa 1978.

ndspinelli said...

edutcher, You're "damning w/ faint praise."

AllenS said...

I'd make the teacher write on the blackboard I won't screw any more of the boys in my class a hundred times.

AllenS said...

I'd make the teacher write on the blackboard I won't screw any more of the boys in my class a hundred times.

AllenS said...

For whatever reason, I had to sign in on Google, which produces two comments.

AllenS said...

My comment was so good, that I'll leave both of them up.

Tim said...

"If it's all clear to you, explain what the heck he means to me."

@phx, my comment was directed towards damikesc's observation about the extraordinary attention directed toward sexually-abusing priests of the Catholic Church as compared to sexually abusing public school teachers.

I Callahan said...

"junior-high the rim"

LOL.

I am so stealing that.

Strelnikov said...

Well, she does have a purty mouth.

MadisonMan said...

Your kid is more likely to be abused by a union teacher than a Catholic priest.

There are about 40K priests in the USA. The number of primary school teachers/middle school teachers is about 3 Million.

From a mathematical perspective, your statement is meaningless.

mark said...

A lot of people here are mocking the young man. At what point is the power difference of Teacher over Student over shadowed by the supposed physical difference of Man over Woman?

Would a someone who doesn't want to have sex with someone just lay back and take it? I'm hearing lots of YES if it is a guy. And NO if it is a girl.

Is your mocking of him encouraging the rape of men?

Dante said...

Is your mocking of him encouraging the rape of men?

Who is mocking him? I think most people are wondering what is bothering him, since it is next to inconceivable that a guy wouldn't want a hot woman like that.

RecChief said...

put on paid leave. nope, no reason for any type of teacher's union reform whatsoever. ever.

mark said...

Dante said...
Who is mocking him? I think most people are wondering what is bothering him, since it is next to inconceivable that a guy wouldn't want a hot woman like that.

That is mocking. You are saying he should WANT to be raped. Why?

I suppose this event will be awesome when he finds out he has AIDS. Or the new antibiotic resistant gonorrhea that will just end up killing him in a few months. Or she decided to cry rape and have him sent to prison. Or she bites off his penis because she is just plain nuts.

No. You are right. He should just lay back and enjoy being raped.

Anthony said...

I'm conflicted. Like many, I initially think "Where the hell was the hot teacher demanding sex from me when I was in school?" and wondering why he'd decline.*

OTOH, never having been faced with such an opportunity, I wonder how I'd have reacted if I really had been. I mean, we're all taught to look to teachers as authority figures -- almost like surrogate parents -- and consequently might just think "This really is so wrong and I shouldn't be doing this."

So, I dunno. He doesn't appear to have struggled too mightily.

* Although males do tend to have a fairly obvious manner of "declining" when they really don't want to, IYKWIMAATTYD.

gerry said...

Before the mills, the orphanages weren't needed.

Thank heaven there were no orphans or abandoned children before the rise of the capitalist's mills.

What bullshit.

Matthew Sablan said...

As for getting away: What option would he have had? Striking her? Pushing her to the ground?

In a bad spot, those might not seem appealing. Hitting a woman who is also your teacher is a pretty major social taboo. Also, if a 5'0 man were to do this to a taller, stronger more athletic woman, no one would question how she did not get away.

This is a classic case where wait and see is warranted. So, let's wait and see.

Ambrose said...

"He fixes the cable?"

AllenS said...

Maybe the kid is gay. That would explain a lot.

george said...

I thought that was a picture of the Judd woman who was thinking of running for Senator when I first looked at it.

Alex said...

It wasn't rape-rape said Whoppie, or is that Whopper?

Alex said...

5' tall! Holy Jesus! I didn't know they stacked shit that high!

John Cunningham said...

She is actually not too bad looking, her mouth does have a certain AMBIANCE, as it were. clearly not a 3-bagger.

Bob Ellison said...

You sillies. Women have no libido at all. Go back to your home room and write "boys are bad and girls are good" 100 times on the chalkboard.

mrkwong said...

She's probably not too bad in something other than a mugshot.

Whatever happened to "Oh teacher, about my grades...I have this wonderful little video here..."?

Segesta said...

Like the cops in South Park said:

"Nice."

Segesta said...

Like the cops in South Park said:

"Nice."

jr565 said...
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jr565 said...

I had a few teachers at the time, when I was in high school, who I had the hots for and actually had dreams of them seducing me. Never happened though.

But I did have an English teacher who I could tell had the hots for me. She gave me 100% on all my papers. Always. And was always singing my praises, almost innapropriately. As she was kind of cute, but to me it was unthinkable to act upon it. If she did hit on me I probably would be more like this guy, than a willing participant. Having an adult woman deflower me at the time would have been beyond terrifying. And even if I wanted it, I would still have the reaction of it being wrong because she was my teacher.

In high school we also had a male teacher who had an affair with a female student. And he was drummed out of there so fast, not to mention brought up on charges.

Dante said...

That is mocking. You are saying he should WANT to be raped. Why?

My inability to understand why the guy wouldn't be wanting the woman is NOT the same as saying the guy wanted to be raped.

First, when I think of an equivalent rape of a male to a female, I think of a guy pushing the shit up in another guy against his will (that's a quote from a movie).

Second, at least part of him had to want it, since otherwise the intercourse part simply wouldn't be possible.

But again, I leave the door open:

It is a bit confusing to me.

Maybe you can help me to understand.

Seriously, I don't get it. Hot woman, young hot-blooded male.

Maybe the part I'm missing is "School Lawsuit."

jr565 said...

Dante wrote:
Who is mocking him? I think most people are wondering what is bothering him, since it is next to inconceivable that a guy wouldn't want a hot woman like that.

even if you find someone hot, it doesn't always mean you have a Desire to act on it at that moment. Case in point, when I was in college I worked in a coffee bat as a barista/assistant manager. And I had one coworker who had the hots for me. And I thought she was cute too. So we had a bit of a flirtatious thing going, but I always tried to nip it in the bud because I didn't like having relationships with coworkers at the time. And one day she told me I could have sex with her down in the basement while at work.

So on one hand, free sex. On the other hand sex at work with a coworker. Are there cameras? If I have sex does she tell all her friends and then they all know my business at work? So I declined.

And it became awkward between us going forward. I can't say that I don't sometimes regret not taking her up on her offer.

Jacquejet said...

Short, fat and ugly is no way to go through life.

Lydia said...

The worst thing about calling this stuff "rape" is that it robs the word of all meaning. Actual rape is horrendous, and I don't know how anyone ever recovers from it. From Alice Sebold's (non-fictional) Lucky: A Memoir:

"I was on the ground on my stomach. He sat on my back. He pounded my skull into the brick. He cursed me. He turned me around and sat on my chest. I was babbling. I was begging. Here is where he wrapped his hands around my neck and began to squeeze. For a second, I lost consciousness. When I came to, I knew I was staring up into the eyes of the man who would kill me.

At that moment I signed myself over to him. I was convinced that I would not live. I could not fight anymore. He was going to do what he wanted to me. That was it.

Everything slowed down. He stood up and began dragging me over the grass by my hair. I twisted and half crawled, trying to keep up with him. Dimly, I had seen the dark entrance of the amphitheater tunnel from the path. As we neared it, and I realized it was our destination, a rush of fear ran through me. I knew I would die."

Shanna said...

Would a someone who doesn't want to have sex with someone just lay back and take it?

In my mind, they would fight. Hence the question of whether he couldn't have done so, and successfully. It's not mocking, but I think the number of 17 yo guys who couldn't physically ward of a 5ft tall female is rather small.

mark said...

Dante said...
Seriously, I don't get it. Hot woman, young hot-blooded male.

Maybe because a women willing to risk losing everything for sex at school is not right in the head. Or has a sexually transmitted disease and just wants to punish men that she has some control over. Or wants a threat to hold over his head. Not every man wants to have sex in those situations. I would say MOST would be horrified.

There is a large power difference here. What would have happened to him if she had cried rape? And that is just one stick a seriously messed up women (if this case proves to be true) could use on him.

Being a young hot-blooded male does not make you retarded. And you are wrong about a involuntary nervous response to a sex act (and an erection at a physiological level is just that) also means that he, at some level, 'wanted' it. That is the same lame excuse leveled at women.

Shanna said...

Thank you, Lydia.

College seminars that talk about men 'persuading' women to have sex as being the same thing as rape are rightly mocked so I think it makes sense to have a bit of skepticism here.

That she hit on him is wrong enough but it's not the same thing as getting your head bashed in or physically held down.

mark said...

Lydia said...
The worst thing about calling this stuff "rape" is that it robs the word of all meaning.

And all those men and women raped while drunk?

Your example is of sexual assault and physical assault. If there is sexual assault alone, then does that not count as "rape" to you?

Dante said...

Being a young hot-blooded male does not make you retarded.

In what Universe?

In 2010, about 2,700 teens in the United States aged 16–19 were killed and almost 282,000 were treated and released from emergency departments for injuries suffered in motor-vehicle crashes.1

Young people ages 15-24 represent only 14% of the U.S. population. However, they account for 30% ($19 billion) of the total costs of motor vehicle injuries . . .

. . .

Males: In 2010, the motor vehicle death rate for male drivers and passengers ages 16 to 19 was almost two times that of their female counterparts.



(CDC)

mark said...

Shanna said...
In my mind, they would fight.

Then why don't all victims fight back? I would say most do not. And criminals have a very good ability to pick the ones that will not fight back.

Sexual predators are not fools. Male or female they will choose victims they can actually victimize.

mark said...

Dante said...
In what Universe?

Car accident stats is your definition of males being retarded?

Dante said...

Car accident stats is your definition of males being retarded?

What can be more retarded than killing yourself for a small thrill.

Well, I suppose that's the way of males throughout the animal kingdom.

bagoh20 said...

"That is mocking. You are saying he should WANT to be raped. Why?"

Why? Because the majority of 17 year olds, and probably every other age after that would not mind one bit. Stop being dense. This isn't difficult.

He could have been gay, or for some other reason actually "disgusted", but it's a long shot. Then if he was, it's another long shot that he couldn't stop the "rape", especially all the additional times afterward. Put both together, and I ain't buying that this is rape, anymore than it's rape if a woman decides after consensual sex that she wishes she hadn't done it.

Saint Croix said...

Feminist dogma says there is no difference between men and women.

Biology says, whatever!

Isn't it kind of odd that the gender that is getting "raped" is often initiating the contact?

Note also that the gender that is getting "raped" loves to put up websites ranking how hot the "rapists" are.

Dante said...

This isn't difficult.

I'm beginning to think Mike isn't an actual person, but some kind of Bot.

Saint Croix said...

There is a large power difference here.

Yes, and he's the one on top! He's the man. He's bigger and stronger. He's at least six inches taller than she is--maybe a foot taller--and outweighs her by at least 50 pounds. You're asking us to accept a feminist construct where women are powerful and men are weak. And women are rapists and men are victims.

But the biological reality is that he is bigger and stronger than she is. And so a force allegation--on these facts--is absurd.

What would have happened to him if she had cried rape?

I think a false claim of rape is far more serious than horseshit like this.

I know liberal society doesn't actually give a damn what men think. But if you did, I think I can speak for our whole gender when I say a false rape claim is far scarier than girls who say we can't leave the room.

SDN said...

"Maybe the part I'm missing is "School Lawsuit." "

No, the part you are probably missing is "Mom and Dad found the video on my cell phone" or "My girlfriend found the video on the cell phone."

It's roughly the same construct that's usually involved with male teacher or boyfriend / female still living at home, and no signs of actual force involved: I'm in trouble so it's rape.

tom swift said...

Strange. Althouse readers don't seem to put sufficient emphasis on the creepiness factor. A 30 year old pursuing (or victimizing) an 18 year old would be like having a 90 year old woman chasing me. Creepsville.

tom swift said...

"You're asking us to accept a feminist construct where women are powerful and men are weak."

No feminist construct needed. There are men who won't use force against women even when they deserve it. This is not a character flaw.

mark said...

Saint Croix said...
Yes, and he's the one on top! He's the man.

and then

But if you did, I think I can speak for our whole gender when I say a false rape claim is far scarier than girls who say we can't leave the room.

Do you see your own intellectual disconnect? You start off with it being impossible and then finish with a probable event. If a women says you can't leave. There is more to her statement than physical power. And you stated exactly that.

Just ask any male university professor if it is safe to be alone with a female student. The male may have the physical advantage. But he keeps his door open to protect himself against her true advantage.

Do you believe an adult female wouldn't take advantage of the same power of a younger male? That power disconnect does not have to be spoken.

mark said...

bagoh20 said...
Why? Because the majority of 17 year olds, and probably every other age after that would not mind one bit. Stop being dense. This isn't difficult.

I'll end my rants with I find that horribly insulting against me and every effort I have had in trying to raise up good young men. Men who don't run around like dogs chasing a bitch in heat.

And a society that treats men as such and says that it is natural ... THAT is disgusting. And complete and utter bullcrap.

Bruce Hayden said...

Strange. Althouse readers don't seem to put sufficient emphasis on the creepiness factor. A 30 year old pursuing (or victimizing) an 18 year old would be like having a 90 year old woman chasing me. Creepsville.

Not really. The guy is near his sexual peak, and the gal is nearing hers. They are probably better matched sexually at that age than they will be even ten years later.

Bruce Hayden said...

Let me throw something out to incite the commenters here. Why is male rape of a female typically considered much worse than the opposite?

I was off a couple of days ago following some strange links concerning male/female relationships, and one poster claimed that the two sexes had similar sexual strategies. Another countered that they are quite different, with the male strategy is "more", while the female strategy is "better". What that means is that with many animals, and esp. with most other primates, a male maximizes his genetic legacy through having sex with as many females as possible, but females maximize through having sex with the males with the best genes. And, that is because of the different investments each of the two sexes typically (for a primate) makes in having and raising children. So, from that point of view, rape by a male of a female may result in her becoming pregnant with a child with inferior genes. And, that choice is key, her selection of whose genes to further with her childrearing. But, for males being raped by a female, any resulting child is a bonus genetically and evolutionarily.

Now, we, as humans, have grafted a further layer on top of this monkey behavior, where monogamous pair bonding has traditionally resulted in more descendants because the males dedicate their resources to raising their mate's children because of a belief that they are his too. But, I would suggest that this is sometimes not much more than a veneer over the more basic behavior pattern of "more"
and "better", deeply wired into our brains.

wyo sis said...

"You rarely hear of an accountant or engineer stuck in a cubicle doing this."

Are they stuck there surrounded by sexually active teenagers?

Koblog said...

"Honk if your honor student has been sexually molested by a unionized democrat public school teacher."

Saint Croix said...

There are men who won't use force against women even when they deserve it. This is not a character flaw.

Yes, this is called chivalry. Feminism dismantled it. What does this have to do with anything?

She is being charged with rape because feminism demands that we treat the two sexes as equals, even when it's utterly ridiculous.

No feminist construct needed.

Of course it is. You think this woman would be prosecuted for "rape" in 1940? The whole idea is absurd. Rape was always defined as a crime that men committed.

Feminism is obsessed with gender neutrality, even when it comes to sex itself, which is idiotic.

Saint Croix said...

If a women says you can't leave. There is more to her statement than physical power. And you stated exactly that.

"Mark, you can't leave, take off your clothes."

"I must obey because if I don't then I imagine you will do horrible things to me so I am helpless but for some reason I have an erection but I am definitely not consenting somebody call the police. Rape! Rape!"

And then the police show up. Big men with guns! But unfortunately she locks the door and tells them that they cannot leave, either. And the police think, "oh no, she might file a false rape claim against us." So then the police have to take off their clothes, too. We're all helpless against the power of the 100-pound woman who is raping us. Oh no!

Have you noticed that this does not actually sound like real life, but more like a porno?

Just ask any male university professor if it is safe to be alone with a female student. The male may have the physical advantage. But he keeps his door open to protect himself against her true advantage.

You are projecting a 40-year-old man's fears onto a 17-year-old boy. It does not actually occur to a 17-year-old boy that his penis might get him into trouble. You might warn him of disease, or unwanted pregnancy, but then he thinks, "Condom! Problem solved!"

Anyway, I agree that feminism is a dangerous threat to men (and babies!), and we should mock the feminists for their stupid ideology at every opportunity. But I do not agree that we should prosecute sex-crazed bad girls as rapists.

Aim your fire at the evil feminists who have made you afraid to be alone with a woman, and leave those sex-crazed bad girls alone.

Erik Robert Nelson said...

"Just ask any male university professor if it is safe to be alone with a female student. The male may have the physical advantage. But he keeps his door open to protect himself against her true advantage."

This is the key, here. Set aside physical advantage--most male students know it's simply not an option, unless they want to be charged with assault. He's left with a rather bad set of options if he doesn't want to have sex.

And this idea that any 17yo boy is going to want to have sex with any 30yo teacher (no matter how hot) is silly. There were any number of attractive female teachers when I was in school, and while I might have willingly had sex with some of them, others were simply bat-shit crazy. Everyone knew to stay away from them. Chances are, this teacher had a reputation. This isn't the sort of thing you do once. He may have been more than well aware of what he was getting into with her.

But this is all speculation. We don't know the details. But suggesting that he is somehow lying about finding it "disgusting" is ridiculous. There are a thousand reasons he might have thought it so.

David Kramer said...

Hmmmm, arguing from the lefty point of view, a teaching position is a position of authority. There is no such thing as a consensual relationship from that point.

Hmmmm, arguing from the righty point of view, a teaching position is a position of authority. There is no such thing as consensual relationship from that point.

Arguing from the pederast view, I would have liked that when growing up and now that I am grown up you folks are just prudes. Leave us pederasts alone!

David Kramer said...

One other observation, since the arguments laid out in courts regarding positions of authority in regards to sexual harassment in the workplace are pretty much laid out. Why is it that this has not been implemented in regards to all schools be they high school or universities?

But hey, you folks continue to make excuses for these pederasts and harassers. Kind of outrageous this "teacher" actually has the gall to say it was consensual. This is the same argument used in the workplace argument. Just as in every situation where a person has the authority of another, ie rape, there is no such thing as consensual.

Some of you freaks.........freak me out.

RonF said...

It's time to get some actual statistics on this, and compare it to the relative incidence of such things as Catholic priests, soccer coaches, Scout leaders, etc.

I bet no one in the MSM will EVER do this.

Saint Croix said...

But suggesting that he is somehow lying about finding it "disgusting" is ridiculous.

Oh man, it was so disgusting! I had to hit it again, just to make sure.

Saint Croix said...

You are such a pervert!

Okay, one more time, but that's it.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

Palladian,

Why are we wasting money prosecuting this sort of nonsense? Seems like the "poor young victim" is just trying to cash in, after getting his rocks off a couple of times.

We're prosecuting "this sort of nonsense" because it's an appalling misuse of authority and trust.

Is it just media selection bias, or do most of these cases seem to involve female perps? I mean, yes, Sandusky. But there have been a number of "female public high school teacher statutorially rapes male student" cases in my memory. Including one in which the perp got pregnant and sued (IIRC, successfully) her statutory rape victim for child support.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

Lydia,

The worst thing about calling this stuff "rape" is that it robs the word of all meaning. Actual rape is horrendous, and I don't know how anyone ever recovers from it.

Ah, so this wasn't rape-rape, then. It's always nice to have the terms clarified.

If the sexes were reversed, and the 30-year-old teacher demanded that the 17-year-old female student give him a BJ, what would you call it?

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

Dante,

And why didn't he drop his class? He was asking for it: he knew what she wanted. That's like asking to be raped.

Um, Dante, you don't generally get to "drop" classes in high school. Most of them are mandatory for graduation. And even those that are elective you can't just disappear from without the involvement of your parents. Which would inevitably have involved explanations that the kid might have found deeply embarrassing.

Saint Croix said...

I've been assuming he was 17. Apparently the police have no evidence that he was.

So there's a strong possibility that he was actually an adult. Yes, a man, who can be drafted and sent to Vietnam. Are we comfortable saying that this adult man was violated by a woman? Not just violated but raped?

You're not leaving until I get something from you.

Scary psycho killer or soap opera dialog?

Q: Why didn't you use your cell phone to call for help?

A: I was too embarrassed. Plus I wanted to take a picture of the bj.

Q: Why did you have sex with her twice?

A: I have no free will. I'm still a child. I plan on living with my parents until I am 28. Yes, I voted for Obama.

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