April 10, 2013

Rand Paul's theory on why black people turned away from the Republican Party.

Speaking at Howard University, he said that black people "'became impatient" during the Great Depression because 'they wanted economic emancipation.'"
Republican policies, he said, aren't as tangible and don't "put food on the table" as quickly as Democratic polices...

93 comments:

Sorun said...

That's right. It's up to the government to put food on the table.

Richard Dolan said...

It took a long time for black voters to become 95% Democrats, and it will take a long time for those voters to change their loyalties. But it's nice to see Paul taking his pitch to a black audience, and the audience giving him a respectful (if perhaps skeptical) reception. Contrast that with Rove's reception yesterday at UMass (Amherst).

Amartel said...

FWIW, I think it's because they lack confidence that tyranny will lose (especially given the history of seeing it win) and lack foresight and knowledge to see that they will not be part of the power structure if it does.

Ipso Fatso said...

I have also heard older blacks say that Truman's order to integrate the armed forces had a big effect on the black vote and their perception of R's vs D's with the D's getting a big boost due to that. They don't call the R's the stupid party for nothing.

Jay said...

Rand Paul is clearly racist.

Larry J said...

You know, if I offer my hand in friendship to someone and they slap it away, I'm not likely to ever off it again.

Politics is about give and take. Unfortunately, all of the giving and all of the taking seems to run in one direction.

Larry J said...

This should read:

You know, if I offer my hand in friendship to someone and they slap it away, I'm not likely to ever offer it again.

Damned fingers.

edutcher said...

Actually, black people didn't start walking away from the Republican Party until the 60s.

According to a piece I saw, Jack Kennedy's election was the Rubicon.

Ipso Fatso said...

I have also heard older blacks say that Truman's order to integrate the armed forces had a big effect on the black vote and their perception of R's vs D's with the D's getting a big boost due to that. They don't call the R's the stupid party for nothing.

no, Truman's measure was a joke; a battalion of infantry and a battery of artillery in white divisions. The only truly integrated units were the Ranger companies in Korea once the replacements started coming in.

Eisenhower was the one who got rid of ethnic units.

Stupid is as stupid does.

PS All that discrimination in the South

whoresoftheinternet said...

Niggers demand free shit, Rand Paul tries to claim otherwise.

Rand's just kissing up to the white-hating media with some "blame Jim Crow" and "black people are all oppressed" rhetoric. Darkies will never go to the R's, so long as the R's demand law-and-order and cutting government waste.

Freeing criminals, demanding nothing from black behavior, and giving handouts to social degenerates are what darkies---and Democrats--are all about. Naturally linked. Like homo butt-fucking and HIV.

But white media, or so Rand hopes, can be fooled into saying some less-harsh words about a Rand Paul run now.

Sigh. Another sell out to the p.c. left.

Enjoy the decline, assholes!

Marshal said...

It's a mistake for Paul personally. The race baiters will test every sentence against 50 criteria and failure to satisfy any will result in charges of racism.

Keystone said...

If you think the government can take care of you, visit an Indian reservation.

Marshal said...

At one point, his speech was interrupted when two African American males held up a banner that said "Howard does not support white supremacy."

An example of the education available at Howard?

Jay said...

Keystone said...
If you think the government can take care of you, visit an Indian reservation.


Or a VA hospital...

Mitchell the Bat said...

Rand Paul is to be commended for not using the word "primitive."

Bonus points for not saying blacks should admire Margaret Thatcher.

DADvocate said...

The Democratic Party uses tax money to buy votes via various entitlement programs. Simple.

dreams said...

Jews are suppose to be smart and I think they are but about 70% of them are liberal and vote for the Dems. Only if the liberal media becomes more objective in their reporting will the voting patterns of the Jews and blacks change and I don't see that happening.

Mitchell the Bat said...

I'm going to assume all the ladies in the audience were wearing fancy hats.

Peter said...

'edutcher' said, "ccording to a piece I saw, Jack Kennedy's election was the Rubicon."

That, and Nixon's 1968 "Southern Strategy"?

AJ Lynch said...

Rand is right.

Our pols are all about short term fixes so the populace expects stuff right now.

Yet our pols demonize corporate CEO's for doing likewise.

dreams said...

"If you think the government can take care of you, visit an Indian reservation."

@Keystone, and not to forget your pipeline.

rhhardin said...

Rand Paul is an asshole.

The blacks are taught a grudge is the path to success, and the democrats are the party of grudge.

Blacks expect to be a drag on society.

Mysteriously, blacks feel that whites aren't granting them any dignity, as if whites were withholding it from them.

It's a stable situation.

You break it by teaching blacks some economics.

For instance.

Every spring grapes from Chile show up in the supermarket, ripe and cheap.

Chileans don't particularly like Americans. They don't work to pick and ship and make sure the grapes are ripe at the right time as a favor.

All they want is more money for the grapes than it cost them to do all the shipping and picking and planning.

So long as they get more out of it than they put in, they're motivated to do it.

Americans don't particularly care for Chileans. But so long as Americans get more in grapes than it's worth to them in money, Americans are happy with the deal.

Both sides come out ahead. Each side is doing something for the other.

Each side gets dignity from doing something valuable to somebody else.

Yet they don't socialize or like each other.

Republicans are the party that makes such transactions plentiful, and democrats make them scarce.

If blacks want to see dignity immediately, take up a collection for poor whites and see what happens.

You can translate that into economics too.

Vote for specialize and trade, not bloodsucking off a grudge.



edutcher said...

Peter said...

According to a piece I saw, Jack Kennedy's election was the Rubicon.

That, and Nixon's 1968 "Southern Strategy"?


More like the Great Society and the War On Poverty.

The Civil Rights Act helped, but the dole turned them into thralls.

SteveR said...

Too bad they don't teach U.S. History anymore.

machine said...

It's too hard pretending republicans aren't racists...I quit.


S. Palin

bagoh20 said...

Last week I was in Florida visiting my Mom for her 80th birthday. She is as fit, active and sharp as any 50 year old. She lives alone, drives, runs a business, and is a caregiver for other elderly women, some younger than her. She was a welder in a steel plant for 25 years while simultaneously raising four kids.

We started out very poor, but my parents never took government assistance which we qualified for at one time. If they had, I don't think my Mom or I would be the same people. I like who we both have become, and I thing government support would have taken away a lot of what I like about her and myself.

It's a cruel slight of hand to take money from those supplying jobs, keep some for yourself and then give some to people without asking them to work for it. It steals something from them that you can never give back.

The government basically steals from both the giver and the recipient, in the service of providing a disservice to the most needy.

But, it does net you more votes.

Hagar said...

That could also be said for the above commenters.

The "Blacks," I think actually the urban Blacks, which means mostly those who migrated north after the Great Flood in the Mississippi basin in 1927, since in the rural south Blacks were largely prevented from voting, turned Democrat in response to assiduous wooing of their leaders by Franklin Roosevelt and neglect by "the stupid party."

bagoh20 said...

"If blacks want to see dignity immediately, take up a collection for poor whites and see what happens.".

Awesome! That would do more than all the other racial healing crap in one fell swoop. Nobody can really take pride in making money, it just doesn't do it for you. You have use it to help people for that return.

junyo said...

Black middle class voters don't vote for Republicans because they're convinced that Republicans hate them.

Simple as that. And they're not wrong.

Rand Paul is an idiot, as is the collective Republican Party. True small government conservatism, impartially applied, appeals to most people with a job. Yet when Bloomberg wants to violate the constitutional rights of brown people conservatives line up to register how awesome that is. The bipartisan disenfranchisement program that is the War on Drugs (because all small government type believe that the government should be regulating what substances an adult ingests, amiright) continues to be awesome. It's pretty much an article of unwavering faith that niggers like free shit, from the party that holds a contest in the Midwest every couple of years to see who can best and most thoroughly fellatiate the subsidy sucking agribusiness. The only redeeming qualities of the GOP are gun rights (sometimes, unless you're Pat Toomey) and that they're currently slightly less execrable than Democrats on personal freedoms. And they an't even explain that correctly.

Drago said...

Peter: "That, and Nixon's 1968 "Southern Strategy"?"

LOL

How many southern states did Nixon win in 1968?

How many southern states did democrats win in 1968?

We'll wait while you look up the answer.

n.n said...

He needs to emphasize individual dignity. He needs to emphasize that there is no instant or immediate gratification without consequences.

He needs to emphasize that denigration of individual dignity was the justification for slavery and discrimination. That to follow this path forward will only ensure that we repeat the transgressive and dysfunctional cycles of every civilization which preceded ours, and that many societies still cannot escape.

He needs to explain that the Democrats, universally, support an elective genocide. That elective abortion is premeditated murder of their children and that it sponsors a general devaluation of human life. That exchanging liberty for submission with benefits is a regressive compromise, which is only capable of providing short-term relief.

He needs to explain that the purpose of Marxism, communism, socialism, etc. is to consolidate capital and control in minority hands, which will then be selectively redistributed to advance and preserve political, economic, and social standing.

Drago said...

It's simply impossible to win the majority of votes of blocks of voters who have been convinced that nothing that happens to them is their fault and that they are owed lots and lots of free stuff.

A republican is never going to be able to top that pitch.

Ever.

DavidD said...

"Give a man a fish" vs. "teach a man to fish."

chickelit said...

Republican policies, he said, aren't as tangible and don't "put food on the table" as quickly as Democratic polices.

Feed men, and then ask of them virtue!

edutcher said...

machine said...

It's too hard pretending republicans aren't racists...I quit.

Of course, The Democrats are the party of slavery, welfare, and Jim Crow, and the Republicans are the party of Abolition. Makes perfect sense.

His brain quit a long time ago (apparently, "I quit" is his new catchphrase since "thumpin'" and "stompin'" were laughed out of existence and, "ya burnt", or whatever the Hell it was, remains incomprehensible to all reasonable minds)

And whatever "S. Palin" has to do with racism (her husband is an American Indian, after all) will go with the mindless automaton to the grave.

AJ Lynch said...

Rrhardin is right too!

Drago said...

The reality is that we are in a still barely controlled spiral downward, a spiral that is accelerating.

Can anyone honestly say they see any portents at all of the cultural/political/financial changes necessary to alter our trajectory?

edutcher said...

The only thing to do is pray the crash comes sooner, rather than later.

chickelit said...

rhhardin said...
Rand Paul is an asshole.

John and Ken are assholes two!

bagoh20 said...

"Can anyone honestly say they see any portents at all of the cultural/political/financial changes necessary to alter our trajectory?"

The failure itself could be instructive enough, but that must battle it out with the lies of the left and it's press that will never admit responsibility. That and the promise of cheap abundant energy not based in the middle east. These things have about a 50/50 chance of saving our asses somehow, not that we deserve it. Karma would require a total collapse with a lost generation or two as payment.

I won't be around, and I think our generation should build a monument for our children that just says: "Enjoy the decline" with small type saying "this monument built by your shitty life."

Freder Frederson said...

How many southern states did Nixon win in 1968?

8 (if you count MO as a southern state)

How many southern states did democrats win in 1968?

1 (if you consider TX a southern state).

George Wallace won five.

And your point is?

Hagar said...

And Todd Palin is part Yupik Eskimo and no kind of an Indian.

Bender said...

There is nothing that any Republican can say to convince black voters to vote Republican. They are of their own mind. And either the proof of actual life experiences will convince blacks of the futility of Democrat policies -- which have destroyed every community in which they are implemented -- or they will not.

Let's not insult people by telling them things that they can see for themselves. If they choose to commit community and/or national suicide, so be it.

Bob_R said...

Any Republican's presidential candidate's has to win white swing voters. One big purpose of this speech is to convince them that he's not a racist and to give them hope that there is a small chance of lowering racial hostility. He's not going to move the needle on black votes with a speech or a whole bunch of speeches. Four or five years of a booming economy, and a few hundred thousand people who are in jail for holding dime bags walking the streets might help.

edutcher said...

Freder Frederson said...

How many southern states did Nixon win in 1968?

8 (if you count MO as a southern state)

How many southern states did democrats win in 1968?

1 (if you consider TX a southern state).

George Wallace won five.

And your point is?


Someone tell Freder people have considered TX southern since 1845.

Hagar said...

And Todd Palin is part Yupik Eskimo and no kind of an Indian.

Whatever. Most Americans, his wife included, don't make that distinction.

sinz52 said...

From the 1930s through the 1950s, most blacks voted Dem. Even though most white Southern segregationists of that era were Dem too: Byrd, Wallace, Maddox.

I've always marveled at the ability of the Dem Party to garner the votes of both northern blacks and southern white racists.

machine said...

Haaaaaaaaaaaaa ya burnt!

dcm said...

Christ, professor. I hope that your postings are art of some kind. You know posts like this will bring out the worst of your regular commentators. It is ugly. And I don't mean 'whores'; that dude's an asshole. 'the blacks' and whatnot.

Paul said...

I bet it's not the food on table thing but free cell phones.

The lady on TV getting the Obamaphone showed just that mentality.

harrogate said...

After all these years, Rand Paul still can't believe it's not butter.

traditionalguy said...

Rand Paul is a smart man. He sees openings and takes them.

The GOP has been first and foremost the party of Northern White culture. Lincoln, Stevens, Sherman and Grant were victorious and their GOP reigned with ease over their less educated southern colonies for 100 years.

Then under Reagan they enlisted their votes. That worked until the Connecticut Bush Family went to work un-Reaganising the GOP.

Paul sees the opening in the GOP for his attempt to re-Reaganising it. Stay tuned.

chickelit said...

After all these years, Rand Paul still can't believe it's not butter.

¿Por quĂ©?

jr565 said...

Saying you are responsible is a lot harder than saying govt will provide.

Tom said...

I've said this before - when LBJ co-oped Civil Rights with the Great Society welfare state programs, it sealed blacks into the Democrat party. Nixion's Law and Order and Southern strategies confirmed LBJ's strategy. And a media captured by the left has allowed this version of history to stand for 50 years without contest.

Rand is right to go back and challenge the results of the welfare state. And he's right to do so in a respectful and dignified manner.

Folks, Rand Paul is going to get destroyed at some point. The permentally outraged left cannot allow him to go un-mitigated. There may have been a day where his anti war views would have been welcomed by many on the left. But the left has power and he is a significant threat. My guess is we'll see Rand grow in stature over the next year and then, when we all think he's safe, the attacks will start. And they will be vicious. I hope he's prepared for the hell. I admire his courage and I think he's doing this for the right reasons - and I admire much of his intellectual consistency - but he better be ready for the buzz saw.

jr565 said...

I think, and I'm sad to say this, that another reason that blacks aren't embracing republicanism is they don't really believe the color blindedness preached by MLK. They are too wrapped up in blackness as an identity and view themselves as "black" as if it's the be all end all of what they are".
So even though they say they want color blindness the prism they look through the world with is color. So you can always play the race card because it's always in the back of their mind.
And in fact it's the republicans that are preaching the color blindedness, and not the racial politics.
They, just by and large, can't handle giving up that identity.

Sad, but true.

Amartel said...

dcm, people can't even discuss why black people turned away from the Republican Party without you going into a guilty defensive crouch. Please stop projecting your own racism onto other people. It's ugly. Did you ever even consider the racist is you? Dogs and dog whistles, etc. You're the one who's afraid of the subject matter. Why?

Bonus question: Did you ever consider that the Democratic Party is the natural home of racists, always has been, always will be? They just switched horses is all.

O Ritmo Segundo said...

Rand obviously thinks it would be better to discriminate against the poorly fed than on account of race.

jr565 said...

THose that do, and are republicans are sellouts and uncle toms. THeir crime? not being black enough. And those making the charge? Often, other blacks.

Again, content of character not color of skin. Of the two, the "Uncle Tom's" or the authentically black, which is actually living by that dynamic? Not the guy who identifies as black first and foremost.

jr565 said...

The republicans have blacks who are republicans, the democrats view blacks as their little interest group (along with women, gays and whatever interest group people can be subdivided into).
Republicans are melting pot and color blindness.
Democrats are racial politics and multiculturalism. Balkanized interest groups all being turned against each other.
The klan fits right in with that second world view. They are the ones who started the white identity politics that the democrats have always believed in.
MLK is the hero to most blacks, and yet his point went right over their heads. Republicans are the ones who seem to most believe in the message, yet they are the racists (according to dems).

IT's a sad thing to watch.

Titus said...

Every white should experience sex with a black once in their life.

thank you.

edutcher said...

harrogate said...



And harro can't believe the mindless automaton is that stupid.

But neither can anybody else.

machine said...

Turning that rock over to hide our racism is too hard...I quit.


S. Palin

edutcher said...

But you must try.

And she hasn't.

Death panels?

If the Demos don't repeal it, they'll need one for themselves.

Dante said...

The simple way to flip the black vote is to come down against illegal immigration, and make it clear this is a Democrat idea, to bring on more welfare cases, and push blacks out of jobs. Now, you can't say it that way, but I'm sure some new code words could be added.

Republicans should learn from the race tactics of Democrats, and peel off half the black vote.

Revenant said...

Without getting into the question of what "Republican" and "Democratic" policies really are, Paul is definitely right about, e.g., the appeal of command economics versus free market economics.

Free market economics are similar to quantum mechanics in that they aren't intuitive or common-sensical; they're just right. Common sense answers like "you can protect jobs with tariffs" or "if you want more black people to have jobs, set aside jobs for black people" seem intuitively correct, even though empirically they are wrong.

edutcher said...

Dante said...

The simple way to flip the black vote is to come down against illegal immigration, and make it clear this is a Democrat idea, to bring on more welfare cases, and push blacks out of jobs. Now, you can't say it that way, but I'm sure some new code words could be added.

Considering Chicano gangs are running blacks out of various towns across the country, you just might have something there.

Michael K said...

" Blogger Peter said...

'edutcher' said, "ccording to a piece I saw, Jack Kennedy's election was the Rubicon."

That, and Nixon's 1968 "Southern Strategy"?"

The best explanation I've seen was about Martin Luther King's arrest in Selma. Kennedy called him and Nixon hesitated. That was what it took. MLK Senior was a registered Republican.

gadfly said...

Or maybe reverse discrimination really does exist. Minority racism is indicated here and it starts with black peer pressure.

Who knows? - but my theory is much more realistic and far less politically motivated than the words of Rand Paul.

Michael K said...

" Blogger jr565 said...

I think, and I'm sad to say this, that another reason that blacks aren't embracing republicanism is they don't really believe the color blindedness preached by MLK. They are too wrapped up in blackness as an identity and view themselves as "black" as if it's the be all end all of what they are".

The interesting contrast is between US born blacks and those born elsewhere. I've seen this for years with students, especially medical students. US born n]blacks are consumed with race. Foreign born blacks, including those born in Africa, are consumed with making it in life and have little or no concept of racism.

It is a terrible handicap for US blacks. I've seen foreign born black students try to help a failing American black. It's tough and usually fails. An exception was one of my students who was a water polo player in college. How many black water polo players have you net ?

It's all mental and it is sad to see our president deeply immersed in this toxic black culture.

Chuck66 said...

A while back, I was "between jobs", so did a part time gig in a large city bookstore. This was around the time of Black History month. Local public and private schools would have reading lists for the kids.

Almost every book for the black kids was about how racist America was. How poorly the white man treated blacks.

Now, most of this was true, but my point being....if you are a black, you are given books from 1st grade through 12th, telling you that you are a victim.

Chuck66 said...

Michael K.....my exact same experiences.

I worked for a company that was rather liberal and had an aggressive affirmative action program. How did they meet their black quota for skilled job (finance, marketing, IT)? They counted their African immigrants as generic black.

G Joubert said...

The difference can be summed up with the old saw, "Give a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime."

Liberals hand out fish and have no interest whatsoever in teaching anyone how to fish. That of course assumes liberals actually know how to fish themselves, a dubious proposition inasmuch as they didn't catch any of the fish they hand out, but confiscated those fish from others who caught them. Either way, teaching people to fish destroys the dependency relationship, and that's what the liberals want out of the arrangement.

Meanwhile, learning how to fish takes time, effort, and practice. Why bother with that when there are plenty of fish being handed out?

Chuck66 said...

On the first of the month....go to the check cashing counter at an urban Walmart. Tell the folks there that you will hire them for $9.75 an hour, but will immediately put them on a training program where after a couple of years, they will be well on their way to a successful career. Or they can keep the handouts for doing nothing.

Guess which one they will take.

That is why Republicans have a hard time.

Alex said...

So Rand Paul is basically saying in a roundabout way that blacks are welfare recipients.

rcocean said...

Unlike the other white boys on this thread I don't think Black folks are stupid. Not only that, but I think they are the best judge of what's good for Black folks.

Finally, I'm not black. So, I find some white peoples obsession with black people, well, weird. But then I'm not a reformed racist, or a closet racist, and my family didn't own slaves and weren't Redneck trailer trash - so there's that.

rcocean said...

Of course, a lot of this is due to the boomers. To them its always Selma, 1965 - the highlight of their life - when they told their redneck parents that MLK was right.

Revenant said...

"Give a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime."

Then there's this approach...

Nomennovum said...

I wish someone would give me some free stuff. I haven't gotten any free stuff since 1982.

Dante said...

Rand Paul is stupid, because, like his father, he thinks that ideals matter in this age of corruption.

It’s the well-known resource—flattery. Nothing in the world is harder than speaking the truth and nothing easier than flattery. If there’s the hundredth part of a false note in speaking the truth, it leads to a discord, and that leads to trouble. But if all, to the last note, is false in flattery, it is just as agreeable, and is heard not without satisfaction. Svidrigaylov, Crime and punishment.

Democrats have this down. "I feel your pain."

Republicans "Stand up and be a man."

What do you think wins?

Alex said...

Dante - you'd be surprised.

Revenant said...

Democrats have this down. "I feel your pain."

Republicans "Stand up and be a man."

Except that isn't the difference between Democrats and Republicans. That's the difference between Democrats and Libertarians.

The Republican Party has long since -- and by "long since" I mean "from Herbert Hoover onwards" -- accepted the basic premise that it is the job of the federal government to ensure the economic success of all Americans. There is the occasional dissenting voice, to be true, but show be the Republican willing to stand up and say "we need to abolish entitlements". Hell, show me one who'll say "only the truly needy should receive entitlements".

But no. Almost to a man they defend Social Security, Medicare, et al. They disagree with Democrats only at the margins.

SOJO said...

Look, let's be frank. Republicans have a huge asshole side. They do not understand that not everyone can bootstrap. A few can, but not everyone. They do not understand that kind of pain. The few that do because they bootstrapped themselves, for some reason I will NEVER understand, often turn out to be bigger assholes about the ones that didn't make it up.

Palladian said...

Look, let's be frank. Republicans have a huge asshole side.

Democrat politicians definitely don't suffer from having a "huge asshole side", no sir!

No one exemplifies "non-asshole" bootstrap-puller like Nancy Pelosi, or John Kerry, or Barack Obama!

Definitely only a Republican problem!

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SOJO said...

@palladian

But it doesn't matter if it's "only a republican problem" or not. That's just wasting time to discuss. Different contexts, etc. It's not time to play a game of tit for tat.

It's there and it's a problem.

Does anyone care about addressing it? No? Then don't act surprised.

It's not just celeb politicians either. People get a heapful of this on talk radio, in their family, from every day experiences.



Revenant said...

Who are these mythical Republicans who believe there should be no form of social safety net, Sojo?

Are you sure you're not just describing the straw Republicans typically discussed in the popular media?

MikeDC said...

I think Paul means well, but I disagree that it makes sense to walk into a room full of black (or any group of) people and tell them what they think.

That's not a winning strategy ever. Instead, go in and say:
- 1. Where do you see problems in your community?
- 2. Answer the problems they raise with offered solutions.
- 3. Money matters. There are Black Conservatives, but there's basically no Republican party structure at all in most black areas.

From a practical standpoint, a sound Republican strategy would be to start building this organization, and making voting Republican a viable alternative.

Because that is a weakness that Black folks see. They often feel ignored by the mainstream Democratic party. This might require a pledge to compromise on some issues for Republicans, but as a means of getting a solid constituency, it's worth it.

Hagar said...

Paul might have pointed out that Gen. O.O. Howard was a Republican.

Perhaps he did and the reporter missed hearing that?

EMD said...

Here's a question: Why fete a minority group that seems intent on destroying itself and diminishing it's long-term political clout?



Fr Martin Fox said...

I didn't view his speech, so I'm asking:

> Did Sen. Paul spend much time discussing the breakdown of family life in our cities, which affects people of every race, but--if frequently cited statistics are correct--seems to affect black families more?

> Did Sen. Paul point to urban centers where the poisonous confluence of many policies championed by Democrats (and too often abetted by the feckless GOP), have created a desert of hope and a fetid swamp of suffering?

> Did Sen. Paul address the racism so well expressed by, of all people, the execrable President George W. Bush, when he referred to the "soft bigotry of low expectations"?

Fr Martin Fox said...

Re: the GOP losing 95% of the black vote...

I'm not denying there's a fundamental problem; but when the first African American candidate runs for president, of course black Americans will vote for him; and for his re-election.

That doesn't mean they agree with him on everything. But trying to convince an African American not to vote for Mr. Obama in 2008? And again in 2012?

Folks will raise the example of the first Catholic candidate, or other potential firsts; but it's not the same, it just isn't.

jr565 said...

Revenant wrote:
Who are these mythical Republicans who believe there should be no form of social safety net, Sojo?

Are you sure you're not just describing the straw Republicans typically discussed in the popular media?


Exactly. I'm ok with a saftey net, just not one that bankrupts us.

jr565 said...

junyo wrote:
Yet when Bloomberg wants to violate the constitutional rights of brown people conservatives line up to register how awesome that is. The bipartisan disenfranchisement program that is the War on Drugs (because all small government type believe that the government should be regulating what substances an adult ingests, amiright) continues to be awesome. It's pretty much an article of unwavering faith that niggers like free shit, from the party that holds a contest in the Midwest every couple of years to see who can best and most thoroughly fellatiate the subsidy sucking agribusiness.

Dude, the war on drugs affects white people too. Or do you think no white guy has been caught in the snare of the drug war or been an addict.

I can see the point about the war on drugs being a bad idea, but it's not a racial one.

EMD said...

That doesn't mean they agree with him on everything. But trying to convince an African American not to vote for Mr. Obama in 2008? And again in 2012?

I've always emphasized that the GOP has more of an Obama problem than a generic Dem problem. I'm curious to see the turnout enthusiasm for a guy like Joe Biden in comparison to He Who Washes Away The Sins of Our Racial Past.