March 11, 2013

"North Korea said Monday that it had 'completely scrapped' the 1953 armistice agreement that ended the Korean War..."

"... following up on a threat made days earlier and increasing the likelihood of a strike against or a skirmish with the South, analysts said."

69 comments:

LarsPorsena said...

Send Jimmah'.

Pogo said...

Sean Penn is on the rebound.

And here is a murderous communist dictator thug.

It's kismet!

virgil xenophon said...

The NORKS aren't going to be dissuaded by threats to bomb them back into the Stone-Age; they're already living IN the Stone-Age..

rhhardin said...

North Korea is a valuable example of a stable economic system that functions at zero.

We could use some of its features, like power and corruption, to make the US more caring.

virgil xenophon said...

Now if you threaten to take away Dear Leader's booze, women and BB & old Hollywood movies on Sat TV, that's something else entirely..

Leland said...

If only Obama would play basketball with the man.

Curious George said...

Wait a second. I thought Clinton had Madeleine Albright take care of this shit years ago.

Strelnikov said...

If these guys come swarming out of the North, no one's dog will be safe.

Pogo said...

Where's that goddamn reset button?

lincolntf said...

Ahhh, the joys of dealing with nuclear armed madmen. I know, let's have another UN resolution, that'll fix it! How long until I ran starts playing this game?

phx said...

Ahhh, the joys of dealing with nuclear armed madmen. I know, let's have another UN resolution, that'll fix it! How long until I ran starts playing this game?

What would you suggest?

Pogo said...

They 'completely scrapped' the 1953 armistice agreement, but made $24 by reselling the copper wire, and used the remaining parts to build a 'shabby chic' curio cabinet.

Jeff Teal said...

Talking to irrational people sure seems to be counterproductive doesn't it?

Mitchell the Bat said...

I had kimchi with dinner last night so they should take that into consideration.

The Drill SGT said...

That seems to imply that we and our allies are back in a state of armed combat with the NORKs. Imagine how this would play in the press if it were Cowboy Boosh's failed diplomacy.

Leland said...

Look, if we just cancel the F-35 and get rid of our nuclear arsenal; we'll have more money for education and we won't have to worry about this problem. Although funny how the NY Times supports the notion of disarming our troops, but doesn't seem to consider the cost savings of removing the disarmed troops from the 40th Parallel.

Paul Zrimsek said...

Now we're going to have to piss Psy off by defending him again.

virgil xenophon said...

@phx/

Well, cease unilateral nuclear disarmament, for starters. Instead double our capability from it's ineffectual (as a deterrent) historic lows and tell the NORKS that if a single .22cal bullet crosses the DMZ in the dir of S. Korea that we'll knock the shit out of everything with our nukes--with Dear Leader's compound going first. Then also tell the Chinese (who are already worrying openly about this possibility) that once the nukes start flying no telling how many might "accidently" end up on their side of the border while we're at it..

virgil xenophon said...

PS: Diplomats hav a name for the sort of thing I've outlined, above--its called "coercive diplomacy."

Leland said...

So just saw on CNN: "Will Obama's Charm Offensive Work?"

I was expecting a story on how he is dealing with North Korea, but nope, it was on his "battle" with Congress over the Sequester. Ah, you gotta love the smell of new civility in the morning, well at least if you plan to enjoy watching CNN.

Darrell said...

I like it when bad guys remove their only layer of protection. That means the war's still on just like it did when Saddam broke the 1991 pact. Every bullet and more coming their way is legal now. Except in Cookie's mind, of course.

phx said...

PS: Diplomats hav a name for the sort of thing I've outlined, above--its called "coercive diplomacy."

I think they call it "fantasy."

We have some 2500 operational nuke warheads. If that doesn't deter DPKR then it's they obviously won't be motivated by how many nukes we have. With over 2000 strategic warheads we'll soon be lobbing nukes just to get individuals in the even of a nuke ward with DPKR.

Then Part II of your three-prong "diplomatic" strategy for dealing with DPKR is to tell them "if a single bullet crosses DMZ we'll nuke everyone of you into the stone age." Please be serious.

Part III of your strategy: to inform China if a war breaks out we'll "accidentally" nuke them. Are you for real? Like they wouldn't nuke our carriers right back?

phx said...
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virgil xenophon said...

My point, dear px, is to keep 'em guessing. We have NEVER had a "no first use" policy regarding nukes because of the manpower superiority of Russian and Chinese armies. That uncertainty alone regarding when we might choose to "go nuclear" during any conventional armed conflict played no small role in the deterrence effect during the cold war.

phx said...

@virgil I've never been a fan of no first use myself - completely meaningless, unguaranteed. I don't think that's our policy, but correct me if I'm wrong.

bgates said...

Every bullet and more coming their way is legal now.

That was always going to be the case. Every bullet fired on the orders of a Nobel Peace Prize winner is legal; that's as true for Barack Obama as it was for Yassir Arafat.

AllenS said...

Dennis Rodman was just there last week. Coincidence? I think not.

edutcher said...

So MacArthur was right, after all?

After finding out Tail-Gunner Joe was, too, how will the Lefties go on?

Bender said...

Pretty amazing that the news that the Korean War has now resumed is greeted with yawns.

RonF said...

So tell me something. What happens if NK goes completely bug-fuck nuts and lobs a nuclear weapon at Seoul? Or has it delivered by truck, or whatever ... What do we do? What does anyone do? They are still China's client. Does China take any responsibility for this? Do they get assigned any? Do we wipe out NK? Will anyone do a damn thing?

ed said...

@ phx

"What would you suggest?"

Kill him.

It isn't the only answer, but it is a surprisingly effective one.

Icepick said...

Dennis Rodman was just there last week. Coincidence? I think not.

We shoulda sent Metta World Peace instead.

phx said...

Kill him.

Just checking to see if you're okay with our current policy on drone attacks.

gerry said...
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Icepick said...

Diplomacy, as we normally think of it, just isn't going to work.

To the extent there is a solution to this problem (and there really isn't) it's to tell the Chinese that this is their problem, and they're better fucking deal with it. Don't care how, but deal with it. Reign in the Kims, assassinate them to be replaced by a Dictator-to-be-named-later, take over the shitty country themselves, whatever.

After all, if things go to Hell on the Korean peninsula, how long before the Japanese decide they need to rearm - complete with nukes? The Chinese don't need THAT kind of headache, or the problem of a war breaking out on their border with the US involved.

We have a defense agreement with the South Koreans - honor that and to hell with dealing with the North Korean government.

This has the added benefit of playing to Obama's natural laziness.

Jeff Teal said...

One problem is "no first use" does seem to be Obama's policy.The deterrent has to credible.And I really don't think that anyone believes that Barry would hurt a fellow B-ball lover.

Jeff Teal said...

But I really like the "you deal with it Deng" policy.

phx said...

One problem is "no first use" does seem to be Obama's policy.

You're just making it up, aren't you?

Icepick said...

Is another Deng in charge of China? I thought it was a Ling. Or maybe Long.

Oh fuck it:

Soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry lee lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden, I found myself in love with the world
So there was only one thing that I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long

Ding dang a dong bong bing bong
Ticky ticky thought of a gun
Everytime I try to do it all now baby
Am I on the run
Why why why why why baby
If it's so evil then?
Give me my time, with all my power
Give it to me all again (wow)
Ding a ding a dang a dong dong ding dong
Every where I go

Everytime you tell me baby
When I settle down
Got to get me a trailer park
And hold my world around
Why why why why?

Ding ding donga dong dong ding dong
Dingy dingy son of a gun
Half my time I tell you baby
Never am I all for sure
Why why why why why baby
Sicky sicky from within
Everytime I stick my finger on in ya
You're a wild wild little town bitch
Now how 'bout ding a dang dong dong dong ling long
Dingy a dingy dong a down

Everytime you tell me baby
When I settle down
Got to get me a trailer park
And hold my world around
Why why why why?

In my dang a ding a ding a ding dong
A sticky sticky son of a gun
Ding a danga danga dong dong ding dong
Why why never know
Why why wack a dong a dang ding dong
Then you take it on the bill
Ding dang dong don't dong
Whoa!

I wanna love ya!

Why why why, why why darling
Do you do you tell me to play?
Half the time I talk about it all now baby
You know what I'm talkin' about I said
Why why why it'll
Ticky ticky ticky ticky
Son of a gun
Ding ding dong a bong bong bing bong
Ticky ticky thought of a gun

Bing bing bang a bang a bang bing bong bing a bing bang a bong
Binga bing a bang a bong bong bing bong bing banga bong

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Bing bing bang a bang bang bing bong

Ding dang a dang bong bing bong
Ticky ticky thought of a gun
Everytime I try to do it all now baby
Am I on the run
Why why why
It'll ticky ticky ticky ticky ticky ticky
Dawn of a gun
Bing bing bang a bong a bong bing bang a
Ticky ticky thought of a gun
Bing bip bip a bop bop boom bam
Ticky ticky through the day

If you got a doubt 'bout baby
The memory is on the bed
Why why why why why
Darlin' uh it don't know
When my time is on
Might tell me never do it on his own
If my time was all as is yours
Make me burn a wish
When my time with you is brutish
No I'll never not ever

Why why why why why why baby heavy hell
Alone and it's here it's this thunder
The thunder oh thunder

Jesus built my car
It's a love affair
Mainly jesus and my hot rod

Yeah, fuck it!

phx said...

Apparently people on Althouse are already acting as if we are in end times.

Icepick said...

Fuck the Revolution. Bring on the Apocalypse!

Alex said...

As usual phx argues for appeasement. That sure worked against Hitler!

Occupation of the Rhineland


Historians writing without benefit of access to the French archives (which were not opened until the mid-1970s) such as William L. Shirer in his books The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (1960) and The Collapse of the Third Republic (1969) have claimed that France, although possessing at this time superior armed forces compared to Germany, including after a possible mobilization 100 infantry divisions, was psychologically unprepared to use force against Germany.[26]

phx said...

As usual Alex is talking out of his butt.

Show me where I argued for appeasement, genius.

Alex said...

Besides isn't it up to the South Koreans to show some manliness here? Why should we bail them out? Let them bleed for their own country.

Alex said...

I say let the Norks launch a missile barrage at Seoul and then unleash the hounds of hell! Because of liberals our hands are tied when it comes to preemptive action.

William said...

All my life I half expected to die in a nuclear conflagration. I was somewhat surprised when it didn't come to pass. History is full of leaders much wiser than the North Koreans who led their people off the cliff....It's not in the rational self interest of North Korea to start a nuclear war. That and a fallout shelter will get you on the bus.

gerry said...
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Jeff Teal said...

Sorry I can't really keep up with which Mandarin is in charge today in the Celestial Kingdom.

Sam L. said...

And yet Benghazi Barry did not respond by saying "The bombing will begin in..."

Missed a good line, there.

Larry J said...

Icepick said...
Diplomacy, as we normally think of it, just isn't going to work.


Don't forget the classic definition of diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy' while looking for a stick.

Rusty said...

Alex said...
I say let the Norks launch a missile barrage at Seoul and then unleash the hounds of hell! Because of liberals our hands are tied when it comes to preemptive action.

LilKim. Is rattling his nukes because his conventional military forces are in such bad shape. Even the lower echelons of the military are on short rations. It is believed that only half of the hardware that is massed against SKorea is operational.

Leland said...

Just checking to see if you're okay with our current policy on drone attacks.

Of what are you referring when mentioning this policy?

When ed refers to "kill him"; I'm fairly certain he meant Kim Jong-un. If North Korea unilaterally declares open war with us, which is de jure, what they are doing by nullifying the armistice; then history suggests we use whatever force necessary to protect us. I think killing Jong-un with a drone is a far better idea than an exchange of nuclear weapons. Then again, I'm fine with sending Obama over there to talk basketball. I'd say send John Kerry first, but that white man can't jump.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

NK's missile tests have mostly been highly conspicuous failures, but Seoul is close enough that I bet they could nuke it if they tried. And given that they've renounced the armistice, they just might be insane enough to do that. The question is what we would do in response, and what China would.

Somehow the idea of the top brain working on this question being John Kerry's is not reassuring.

Nathan Alexander said...

China is more scared of a few million Nork refugees coming across their border than a few US nukes.

NE China is already in bad economic shape (China's "rust belt"). Refugees could possibly collapse their entire economy, which would mean regime change via violent overthrow.

Nuking China's NE would inspire nationalistic fervor and eliminate the economic drag.

And the US isn't going to nuke China by accident, anyway.

Lydia said...

China has a history we'd do well to remember. Between 1958 to 1962, for instance, at least 45 million people were worked, starved, or beaten to death, as part of Mao's Great Leap Forward.

"State retribution for tiny thefts, such as stealing a potato, even by a child, would include being tied up and thrown into a pond; parents were forced to bury their children alive or were doused in excrement and urine, others were set alight, or had a nose or ear cut off. One record shows how a man was branded with hot metal. People were forced to work naked in the middle of winter; 80 per cent of all the villagers in one region of a quarter of a million Chinese were banned from the official canteen because they were too old or ill to be effective workers, so were deliberately starved to death."

And yet Mao is still revered in China.

phx said...

@Leland We are of one mind. But I thought the previous poster meant "Kill him - now".

phx said...

Which is probably next to impossible anyway.

Revenant said...

Then also tell the Chinese (who are already worrying openly about this possibility) that once the nukes start flying no telling how many might "accidently" end up on their side of the border while we're at it.

That may be the most retarded Korea-related suggestion I've ever heard.

Darrell said...

North Korea is angling to become a dependent of the US and Europe--tht is all. They should have tried this bullshit when we actually had money in our pocket.

Pettifogger said...

Kim is essentially a spoiled 5-year-old who isn't getting his way, so he's holding his breath and stomping his feet. I would be inclined to ignore him, except he is a spoiled 5-year-old with nuclear weapons.

What I am unsure of is whether the leadership of the Nork military knows Kim is nuts or whether they too are delusional enough to think North Korea could survive an all-out war.

virgil xenophon said...

@Revenant/

I don't think you understand the psychology of totalitarian leaderships. The leadership cadres of the old SU didn't care how many hundreds of millions of "Soviet" "citizens" were killed in, say, the 'stans in a nuclear war, all they REALLY cared about is that THEY themselves survived a nuclear attack. It's only when we made it crystal-clear to them that were were targeting the leadership bunkers first and foremost with muy warheads that they came around in SALT talks, etc. Same goes for the leadership cadres in China and N. Korea. If they think THEY, themselves, might not survive a nuclear exchange that changes their outlook immeasurably..

Paul said...

Bomb bomb bomb... Bomb Iran... I mean North Korea but hey.. might as well bomb Iran while you are at it.

Kelly said...

Frankly, it isn't in South Korea or China's best interest to have a free North Korea. Germany had a hard enough time absorbing East Germany's fourteen million and they were literate at least.

Can you imagine what it would take to integrate twenty four million brainwashed, backwards people who have little to no education? The cost alone would be staggering. All they can do is contain them, but I believe China has a tiger by its tail at this point, I really think they've lost any control they may have had over the North.

virgil xenophon said...

@Kelly/

"I really think they've lost any control they may have had over the North."




Which is a really frightening prospect..

virgil xenophon said...

@Kelly/

"I really think they've lost any control they may have had over the North."




Which is a really frightening prospect..

Revenant said...

I don't think you understand the psychology of totalitarian leaderships.

Let me explain to you exactly what happens the first time we threaten to nuke China for not doing what we want.

1. They tell us that, in accordance with standard MAD doctrine, they will respond to a nuclear attack with their full arsenal.

2. They tell the entire world that we just threatened to nuke them if they didn't help with North Korea. There goes our chance to use the "oops!" excuse, not that anyone would have believed it.

So we end up with egg on our face for nothing. Nice going, dumbass.

Nichevo said...

Ed,

Assassinate KJU +1. Ultraclean or wet. And tell the next guy he's next if there's trouble. Ideally a US or ROK mole pulls the trigger and gets the job.

And/Or...Recap JFK doctrine: an attack by DPRK on anyone in the (...defense umbrella of our choice...) will be regarded as an attack on the USA by the PRC. Nothing sneaky or oops about it. Their best hope if that happens is let a good kind man be in office as POTUS, maybe he'll just seize all your bonds as tribute after you send us the severed heads of your leadership. That or, flied lice you plicks.

And tell the Chinese their dicks ain't big enough to fuck with us. They threaten LA? Dude, PCH runs north and south. It's all desert, they only have 20 missiles that can even reach LA (their subs are mouthwatering targets), we DO have at least a little missile defense working, and hey, worse comes to worst, good for NY TV and film.

Whereas, while we can of course end all life in China, just holding Beijing at risk is always the answer to China. One MIRV on the Palace and China the nation is over, devolves into a rabble of statelets. China will always give up the ass to protect the Beijing. No risk in the portfolio. (A warning shot would be Three Gorges Dam. No nukes required.)

So, no problems with the Chinese, no problems with the Norks. Let A fix B. We'll buffer disruptions with food aid if need be, lots of it, but not so senselessly managed.


David said...

Leland said...
"If only Obama would play basketball with the man."

Yeah. Tie him up in a little round ball and bounce him up and down the court. That ought to change his perspective.

Or Obama could play golf with him. Use the guy as a mashie-niblick.

Robert Cook said...

Icepick at 10:48 am:

If you're going to print the lyrics to a song, you should at least credit its creators: Ministry with Gibby Haynes (from Butthole Surfers) on vocals (and I'm guessing lyric writer).