February 5, 2013

"By all accounts, a 5-year-old in Alabama endured an unforgettable horror..."

"Held for a week in a closet-size bunker underground, a captive of a volatile killer, his only comforts a Hot Wheels car and other treats passed to him by officers."
Yet after being whisked to safety by federal agents in a raid that left his kidnapper dead, the boy appeared to be acting like a normal kid: He was running around, playing with a toy dinosaur and other action figures, eating a turkey sandwich and watching “SpongeBob SquarePants,” relatives and Dale County Sheriff Wally Olson said.
Resilience. Where does it come from?

53 comments:

edutcher said...

If the bad guy didn't treat him badly, it may have just been a great big game to him.

Skyler said...

He hasn't had a lifetime of popular media and culture telling him that he's supposed to be forever traumatized.

Oso Negro said...

Being a kid is probably a great help. But don't underestimate the capacity of professional victimologists to turn it into a trauma for the lad.

Oso Negro said...

Being a kid is probably a great help. But don't underestimate the capacity of professional victimologists to turn it into a trauma for the lad.

pm317 said...

"Resilience. Where does it come from? "

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I am no expert but I would say survival instinct.

bpm4532 said...

Really, it's too early to tell. Many effects can be delayed.

JAL said...

If he is on the Autism Spectrum (Aspergers is what I recall -- I haven't followed the details) that may have had some protective effect.

Auntie Ann said...

A: Youth.

Fritz said...

The grief counselors will get to him and make him feel guilty about it soon enough.

grgeil said...

He should be just fine so long as therapists don't get a chance to try to help him.

MadisonMan said...

No No! He's traumatized! Adults demand it so they can help him!

Oh, I see Oso Negro said it already.

Well done.

Synova said...

Most of the horror is going to be in your mind, self-inflicted. The boy likely inflicted upon himself very little additional horror. He wasn't pre-living the moment of his death for five days the way an adult would do.

Amartel said...

I hope that the whores in the mental health community do not descend on this kid and start testing him and convincing him he's a victim with permanent PTSD and screwed for life. Kill him with ostensible kindness.

Revenant said...

The world is frequently incomprehensible and terrifying at that age. If kids couldn't roll with the punches we'd all go crazy in childhood.

Titus said...

Of course this was Alabama.

ricpic said...

What the fuck do you know about Alabama, Titus? What a stupid provincial comment.

Titus said...

The guy who abducted him lived in a camper, natch...in Alabama.

My nightmare is being abducted in the south and stored in a camper/trailer/tract housing with no light, minimal teeth, and a Deliverance accent.

ndspinelli said...

Having worked w/ many children who were victims of crimes I saw first hand how resilient kids, are for the most part. The problems however often rear their head years later.

ndspinelli said...

Titus, this couls happen anywhere, including Boston

Kelly said...

Kids bounce. Sounds like he came from a stable, loving home, he already has a good foundation. There was probably tv to entertain him, he wasn't tied up or tied down, he was fed. Probably the biggest horror was seeing the bus driver killed, and how much of that did he process? I think he'll be fine.

bagoh20 said...
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bagoh20 said...

OK, We already know what happened to him a week with the crazy Alabama trailer trash. Who wants to make a bet that a Boston nut case would leave him so unscathed. Sure Boston has a longer history of child murderers, and rapists, but they generally have more fashionable accouterments. Yes, Alabama, you should be ashamed.

KLDAVIS said...

Skyler's got it absolutely right. We are born with it, but few retain that strength through the media and cultural onslaught that tells us how weak and helpless we are...

To borrow a few tropes, they'll turn us all into Julia, because she's easier to scare.

ByondPolitics said...

5 days? That's nothing compared to what's happened to so many other kids who have been imprisoned for years. The media said "jump" and you obeyed.

Kirby Olson said...

Funny they don't want to tell us what they did to Dykes a Vietnam Vet who probably did have PTSD. Pulled the pin I'd reckon and finally killed him forty years after his soul had died on the battlefield at Khe Sanh.

elkh1 said...

Skyler said...
He hasn't had a lifetime of popular media and culture telling him that he's supposed to be forever traumatized.

And will grow up to become a serial killer.

SunnyJ said...

Upside here is that Dykes did not take the boy down with him, like most of the shooters society is dealing with at this time. Even if he was working up to it...he waited for whatever reason and that gave the boy a chance.

If family is smart, they'll let the kid do his thing. If and when he asks, answer honestly no more and no less than asked...he'll be back for more...or he won't. Move on. Focus on the fact that he's alive...not poor you victim kid...hot damn your blessed young man!!!!

Freeman Hunt said...

The kid didn't know the man was a "volatile killer." You're always having to be around different adults at that age and lots of them seem weird. I imagine the whole experience just seemed very strange, but if he wasn't abused in any way, I don't see why it would be traumatic.

Hooray that the boy is out and alive!

madAsHell said...

Tamara Brawley couldn't be reached for comment.

Freeman Hunt said...

Remember how weird other people's houses seemed? And other people's parents? Forget it. Weirdos all.

Lyle said...

This event was more traumatic for everyone else but this kid perhaps. What else was he or anyone else supposed to do, but endure?

furious_a said...


Resilience. Where does it come from?


Young childrens' short attention spans. They either forget it soon enough, or else the.memory fades by the time they're old enough for it to do real damage.

furious_a said...

P.S. That boy was touched by an angel, he'd better go do something amazing later in life.

n.n said...

Intrinsic value of human life. It is instinctual. It is lost through corruption as we evolve.

bagoh20 said...

Dykes last words to the boy were: "Earn this...Earn it."

EDH said...

"Who wants to make a bet that a Boston nut case would leave him so unscathed."

Jaynes did not simply read NAMBLA's materials and ponder its message. He and Salvatore Sicari actively sought a boy with whom to copulate. They picked 10-year-old Jeffrey Curley of Cambridge, Massachusetts. They lured him into their car as he played outside his home in October 1997. When Curley resisted their sexual advances, they choked him to death with a gasoline-soaked rag. Then they took the boy's body across state lines to Jayne's apartment in Manchester, New Hampshire. They molested the cadaver and stuffed it into a cement-filled Rubbermaid container. Finally, they crossed state lines again into Maine, whereupon they tossed Jeffrey Curley's remains into the Great Works River, from which it was recovered within days. Jaynes and Sicari were convicted of these crimes in 1998, for which they are serving life sentences...

Sicari confessed to his part in the murder but insisted Jaynes was the killer, NAMBLA literature and a membership card was also found in the backseat of the car and in Jaynes' apartment...

Curley v. NAMBLA was a wrongful death lawsuit filed in the United States District Court for the District of Massachusetts in 2000, by Barbara and Robert Curley against the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA). The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) represented NAMBLA and was successful in getting the suit dismissed...

According to the Curleys' $200 million suit, NAMBLA's "adult-child sexual relationship" propaganda, including Jaynes' viewing the group's website, caused the violent predatory behavior and urge to have sex with and rape young male children. Proving the incitement is difficult given the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution standards that govern words in any medium. At the time the Internet was much less popular so the point rested on the courts viewing the Internet as such a different media as to warrant a different legal standard. Despite claims, the website had no erotica, conspiracies to rape or incitements to violence. In Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969), the US Supreme Court held that government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless it is directed to inciting and likely to incite imminent lawless action. In September 2001 summary judgment was declined because Brandenburg doctrine "does not foreclose liability 'on any set of facts that might be shown'" as to incitement just by NAMBLA's publications, meetings and website. The Curleys ultimately dropped the lawsuit in 2008 because they only had one witness prepared to testify that NAMBLA "somehow spurred" Jaynes to commit crimes but a judge ruled the witness was not competent to testify.

Unknown said...

"But the point is, if you put a little kid of six in the front row at a screening of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre along with an adult who was temporarily unable to distinguish between make-believe and 'real things' (as Danny Torrance, the little boy in The Shining puts it)-if, for instance, you had given the adult a hit of Yellow Sunshine LSD about two hours before the movie started-my guess is that the kid would have maybe a week's worth of bad dreams. The adult might spend a year or so in a rubber room, writing home with Crayolas." — Stephen King, "Danse Macabre"

EDH said...

Charles Jaynes, Child Killer, Wants To Be Renamed Manasseh-Invictus Auric Thutmose V

August 22, 2012

A Massachusetts man convicted of abducting, molesting and killing a 10-year-old boy has asked a court to let him change his name to Manasseh-Invictus Auric Thutmose V because of his conversion to Wiccanism.

Charles Jaynes, 37, listed his reason for changing his name as "Wiccan religious tennet," on the petition filed with Plymouth Probate Court in June. He lists his address as the Old Colony Correctional Center in Bridgewater and his occupation as inmate.

bagoh20 said...

Anybody that would join NAMBLA is clearly insane. That's those gunsucking, 2nd Amendment nuts, right?

Who in here can tell me why anyone needs a NAMBLA card? Do you get a discount on chloroform or something?

McTriumph said...

"Closet-size bunker", maybe in Fairfax, Virginia.

Mary said...

"Resilience. Where does it come from? "

The power to forget
to live in the moment.

Some prefer to wallow in perpetual victimhood.

(think israel)

Mary said...

He wasn't pre-living the moment of his death for five days the way an adult would do.
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speak for yourself.
not everyone is busy preparing for end times either...

Mary said...

Remember how weird other people's houses seemed? And other people's parents? Forget it. Weirdos all.
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???

Seemed much like mine. We had family friends with shared values.

Especially if there were unsupervised home visits.

Scott M said...

Resilience. Where does it come from?

Krabby Patties.

AllenS said...

Please, I don't want to hear about this motherfucker's PTSD.

Dykes is described as a loner. The 65 year old is a decorated Vietnam veteran, who was on active duty in the US Navy from 1965 to 1969. His records indicate that he was awarded the Vietnam Service Medal and the Good Conduct Medal. He was trained in aviation maintenance.

[bold added by me]

This veteran was a REMFer. I'd guess he never saw any combat and never fired his weapon. He saw as much action as Jessie Venture, which means none. His medals are was anyone who served over there received. Ventura never set foot in Viet Nam and received the Vietnam Service medal. Navy personnel who sailed off shore received it. Aviation maintenance. He could have been stationed on a ship.

He was one thing, and one thing only, a nut case.

AllenS said...

Everyone receives the National Defense Service Medal in basic training. Decorated my ass.

TMink said...

Speaking as a whore of the mental health community I hope he is fine. Asperger's may indeed provide him a buffer, and even a mental health whore would need to know what the child's experience of the events were before thinking he needed assistance.

Child psychology started after WWII in England dealing with actual PTSD. It was found that mothers (the fathers were at war) who stayed calm could provide for their children a way of framing what was happening that would protect them from being emotionally overwhelmed. May it be so with this little dude. Sponge Bob is a wonderfully resilient mentor in many ways.

Trey

tim maguire said...

Judging by my own child, I'd say that for the victim, this event was a little fun, mostly boring, glad it's over.

Xmas said...

AllenS,

My father was an aircraft mechanic in Vietnam. There wasn't much Rear, to the Rear Echelon there from what he experienced. He preferred being stationed in Bangkok later on.

JPS said...

Xmas:

AllenS posted what I'd been thinking every time I read that Dykes was a "decorated Vietnam veteran."

My hat's off to your father for his service, and I recognize that he and many like him may have had close calls and horrible experiences. Even if they didn't, they did what our country asked them to do, in a period when many chose not to.

But I've seen nothing in the description of Dykes' service that implies the experience Kirby Olson infers. There's a big leap there that may be, but probably isn't, justified.

Methadras said...

I said this wouldn't end well. Thank goodness I was wrong. I say leave the kid alone and let him be a kid. He'll deal with it on his own time if ever at all. Hey may forget the whole thing completely as he gets older.

kentuckyliz said...

It was just a really bad sleepover party and he's not going to go over to that guy's house again.

kentuckyliz said...

I don't think the boy needs to "earn it" or accomplish major things just by having survived.

I hope he lives a happy, normal life...boring and unexceptional if he wants it to be so.