January 12, 2013

"If there were equal justice under the law, what would be the point of being a Very Important Person?"

Asks Glenn Reynolds after quoting me on David Gregory and equal justice under the law.

I'm working on my song parody:
David Gregory had a high-capacity ammunition magazine
He held it and twirled it 'round his diamond ring finger
At a "Meet the Press" studio society gath’rin’
And the cops weren't called in but the bloggers demanded
That David Gregory should be booked for possession
Take the rag away from your face
Now ain’t the time for your tears....
I've parodied that song before (back when William Zantzinger died).

This isn't parody — this is straight from the original "Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll":
In the courtroom of honor, the judge pounded his gavel
To show that all’s equal and that the courts are on the level
And that the strings in the books ain’t pulled and persuaded
And that even the nobles get properly handled
Once that the cops have chased after and caught ’em
And that the ladder of law has no top and no bottom
In David Gregory's case, the cops never even considered chasing him. There will be no judge pounding the gavel, because there will be no prosecution. Bob Dylan was outraged that Zantzinger — Zanzinger, to spell it the Dylan way — got a light sentence. At least he went to trial. And he was convicted.

Here, the "noble" David Gregory got special handling, the strings in the books were pulled and persuaded, and the ladder of law obviously has a top.

I'm not saying I want Gregory prosecuted. I only want people to see how unfair it is to have a law that seems ridiculous to enforce against him, when that law is used against others. And Gregory richly deserves to be slapped around on the blogs, because he's making the argument — that's why he was waving that thing around — that there ought to be more invasive gun laws. He wants the government to reach more deeply into the ordinary lives of private citizens, and he's entirely reckless about what these laws would really mean to ordinary people, and it's a recklessness that thrives in the mind of someone who easily and instinctively believed — correctly! — that the law did not apply to him.

And even the nobles get properly handled....

77 comments:

cubanbob said...

There is nothing more than selective prosecution that invites disrespect for the law. Either repeal the law or nail Gregory to the cross as an example to others, especially since he broke it with full knowledge that he was violating it.

rehajm said...

nail Gregory to the cross as an example to others

Isn't this the current motto of the EPA?

Pogo said...

This is what the leftists have been working toward since FDR. They won. We chose the road to serfdom. Too late to complain about the outcome now, I think.

I have only contempt and mockery for these people, but this result, unequal before the law and a dead constitution, was entirely foretold.

Jake Diamond said...

Glenn Reynolds is an idiot.

Jake Diamond said...

We chose the road to serfdom.

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!

The Althouse lemmings are so silly.

wyo sis said...
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wyo sis said...

Jake Diamond is an idiot.

Pogo said...

...and dreadfully boring.

Broomhandle said...

....and about as bright as Inga on a good day.

Broomhandle said...

....and about as bright as Inga on a good day.

Humperdink said...

If the Gregory situation doesn't wake up the proles, nothing will. To me, this is more egregious than anything the Wannabe Tyrant has done to date. Selective prosecution in living color, coast-to-coast.

Gregory's spouse looked real happy to have her arm the DC Attorney General at a charity fund fundraiser.

Quayle said...

No longer a nation of laws and equality before the law.

Now a nation of men and women and who you know and what you can give them.

Know the president or his Jackal Jarret? Here's some taxpayer money to lavishly fund your company.

President doesn't like who you are? His Toddie Holder will sink his teeth into you.

Wanna get that exclusive and be sure to be included in the next White House BBQ? Pitch a softball and watch the Jackass Biden murder it.

...they were all toadies and humbugs, but that each of them pretended not to know that the others were toadies and humbugs: because the admission that he or she did know it, would have made him or her out to be a toady and humbug.

And of our illustrious Mr. President Barack H. Obama.

He had a certain air of being a handsome man--which he was not; and a certain air of being a well-bred man--which he was not. It was mere swagger and challenge; but in this particular, as in many others, blustering assertion goes for proof, half over the world.

Humperdink said...

Hey Jack, here's a coloring book. Go play.

F said...

Is there not one single person on the DC City Council who will introduce a bill making high capacity magazines legal? Not one single person who understands how gregorization has made a mockery of the current law? And of them? Not one?

edutcher said...

Let's remember, DC is another Chocolate City. The rules are different.

PS I'm betting more people follow Insta than Diamond.

Gahrie said...

Anyone else flashing back to the last ten pages of Animal Farm?

Gahrie said...

Anyone else flashing back to the last ten pages of Animal Farm?

pm317 said...

well, the chief law enforcer of the US of A, Obama rewarded him with an interview a week after this kerfuffle broke. So..that scumbag has friends in the highest of places.

NotquiteunBuckley said...

Jake "little bitch turd" doesn't do the extent of your cuntiness honor.

CWJ said...

Quayle,

Love the quotes.

pm317 said...

Well, the chief law enforcer of the country rewarded that scumbag with an interview the week after this issue arose. The guy has friends in high places. He should have been hauled to the court for an appearance and fined or something at least.

Mogget said...
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cubanbob said...

Let's remember, DC is another Chocolate City. The rules are different.

PS I'm betting more people follow Insta than Diamond.

Chocolate City? Looks more like a plantation. Massa does the whipping. Massa doesn't get whipped.

Mogget said...

One major reason this sort of thing can flourish unchecked is that the Dems never get the "services" of an adversarial press. And when the press does something like this, their friends in law and politics are right there to keep the proles moving. Wanna bet we'll see any hard-hitting investigations of DC corruption by Gregory? LOL!

Quaestor said...

Jake Diamond wrote:
Glenn Reynolds is an idiot... The Althouse lemmings are so silly.

Inga should be miffed. No argument, no logic, no humor -- just puerile mutterings. This used to be her territory exclusively.

As Glenn pointed out last week, we are no longer a republic, but an aristocracy... not an aristocracy of blood, but one of juice.

Unknown said...

What the decision to not prosecute Gregory while simultaneously insisting that the magazine ban law that he violated is important means is that there is absolutely no moral component to our legal system.

The only reason to not violate the law is from a reasonable fear of getting caught if you don't have enough juice to get out of it. This also has interesting implications for the jury system.

Let's see how well this new way of organizing society works out. If I hadn't already given up on America after November 6, I would be upset about this entirely predictable consequence of what this country has become.

Lem said...

Gregory richly deserves to be slapped around on the blogs, because he's making the argument — that's why he was waving that thing around — that there ought to be more invasive gun laws. He wants the government to reach more deeply into the ordinary lives of private citizens, and he's entirely reckless about what these laws would really mean to ordinary people, and its a recklessness that thrives in the mind of someone who easily and instinctively believed — correctly! — that the law did not apply to him.

Thank you.

Big Mike said...

@Jake, may I assume that you agree with the notion that wealthy criminals with good connections into the Democrat party should escape prosecution? Not just Gregory, but a person like Jon Corzine who made Bernie Madoff look like a petty pickpocket?

And can I also then assume that you believe that because you also have good connections into the Democrat party?

And do you realize that your stance puts you into a very small minority, not merely among the commentators on the Althouse blog but among most Americans?

Mogget said...

Doesn't Congress have oversight of DC? If so, wouldn't some hearing be nice? On TV, on a Teusday, maybe, instead of Friday evening? And then we could all hear the nice DA expand on his logic and demonstrated legal acumen?

garage mahal said...

I think Karl Rove's favorite dance partner should have been prosecuted. But every single person here knows had this been Glenn Reynolds instead of David Gregory it would be a completely different set of circumstances.

edutcher said...

cubanbob said...

Let's remember, DC is another Chocolate City. The rules are different.

PS I'm betting more people follow Insta than Diamond.


Chocolate City? Looks more like a plantation. Massa does the whipping. Massa doesn't get whipped.


A good many slave traders and some of the biggest slave owners weren't white.

So it still fits.

Quayle said...

But every single person here knows had this been Glenn Reynolds instead of David Gregory it would be a completely different set of circumstances.

See, Garage, that's the difference between you and most people here.

We aspire toward a love of principals, not parties - and let the chips fall where they may.

You, on the other hand, will bend and slur every truth to vindicate your "side."

And you will most certainly lose your side because of it.

Mitchell the Bat said...

Police officers exercise discretion.

Magistrates exercise discretion.

Prosecutors exercise discretion.

Judges exercise discretion.

Juries exercise discretion.

Oxes exercise discretion, too, but sometimes they get gored.

creeley23 said...

I stand with several other commenters here. After four years of Obama and his reelection, we are no longer a nation that is, or even aspires to, "equal justice under the law."

Instead, the US legal system has become what crit-legal academics have always said it was: the law is what the powerful say it is, and what they say it is, is the interests and politics they favor. These days that means Democrats and their web of special interest groups.

NotquiteunBuckley said...

Had garage been a happy, successful person then we all know the circumstances would be different.

You know this dude.

C'mon man.

RiverRat said...

Hmmm?
Has it occured to you why the political and blue state elite and their court jester media favor gun confiscation? Might it be they consider themselves the "American nobility" and remember the French Revolution?

Ralph L said...

Gregory's spouse looked real happy to have her arm the DC Attorney General at a charity fund fundraiser.
His wife is an arms dealer?

Has anyone put together a list of the little people prosecuted for this offense?

It does sound like one of those charges they like to pile on and then plead off.

garage mahal said...

We aspire toward a love of principals, not parties - and let the chips fall where they may

You are honestly claiming that if Glenn Reynolds had been in David Gregory's shoes righties would be demanding a prosecution?

cubanbob said...

cubanbob said...

Let's remember, DC is another Chocolate City. The rules are different.

PS I'm betting more people follow Insta than Diamond.

Chocolate City? Looks more like a plantation. Massa does the whipping. Massa doesn't get whipped.

A good many slave traders and some of the biggest slave owners weren't white.

So it still fits.

Beg to differ. A field slave is a field slave no matter the color. And Massa is still massa no matter the color. No matter the nominal color one is when one reachs a certain level of money and juice those people all are White. DC is a plantation.

Chip Ahoy said...

I was really looking forward to having a president who disappeared into his work not to be heard of again for another four years, but alas, it'll be another four of petty instigations persistent antagonisms, prodding, edging, nudging.

Our community activist president granted an interview to David Gregory following the brouhaha the activist/journalist bandwagonist caused himself, he interjected Himself from on high thus interfering further with the prosecutor's natural decision process that was already jacked by Gregory being celebrity and Gregory being family associate.

They will lose the national discussion they foisted. They already lost. They'll get nothing but steadfastly claim moral victory.

Where 'they' are the present administration and media generally and journalists generally, they are observed creating separation again where it isn't necessary. They are dividers and not unifiers. Not ever. They are observed to splice and dice, to divide and and attempt to conquer and gain fractured successes. They created chaos and confusion, clouded discussion with emotional appeals, calls for immediate legislation, and abandonment of reason and curbing of liberties. The only thing they're observed to do is fuel dissatisfaction.

They failed again learned nothing and will try again.

As much as I recoil! from guns as much as political parties I'm tempted to buy one, a gun not a party, a good one too, and join the NRA. If only to make a point. Vote another way.

I just watched a thing on Smith-Wesson in Pennsylvania and the whole thing is AWESOME.


Shouting Thomas said...

Dylan's career as a jurist features at least one godawful mistake.

Hurricane Carter is guilty as hell. He really did murder those people in cold blood.

His victims in Jersey, as well as the law enforcement agents and jury members who've been perpetually slandered by Dylan's song aren't very pleased either.

Shouting Thomas said...

So, trial by folk singer has its drawbacks, too.

cubanbob said...

I think Karl Rove's favorite dance partner should have been prosecuted. But every single person here knows had this been Glenn Reynolds instead of David Gregory it would be a completely different set of circumstances.

1/12/13 9:44 AM

Garage is right. There is no reason to believe that Reynolds would have treated like Gregory.

edutcher said...

cub, I think we're talking about the same thing.

creeley23 said...

Hurricane Carter is guilty as hell. He really did murder those people in cold blood.

ST: Yes, indeedy.

On that same album, "Desire," Dylan also offers a ridiculous, though fun, tribute to the gangster, Crazy Joe Gallo.

Like most artists, Dylan is a mixed bag with his own confusions and hypocrisies; he still created some indispensable songs.

BTW, there is also a weepy biopic starring Denzel Washington which furthers the legend of Hurrican's innocence.

Big Mike said...

But every single person here knows had this been Glenn Reynolds instead of David Gregory it would be a completely different set of circumstances.

(1) I don't think Glenn thinks of himself as above the law, the way that David Gregory obviously does. Consequently Glenn wouldn't break the law on national TV.

So that's one asymmetry.

(2) If Glenn had broken the law on TV then liberals would be calling for a rapid prosecution while conservatives would be agreeing that he had broken the law and its an insane law but it is the law.

The contrast with the liberal position regarding Gregory should be noted as a second asymmetry.

Michael K said...

garage mahal said...
We aspire toward a love of principals, not parties - and let the chips fall where they may

You are honestly claiming that if Glenn Reynolds had been in David Gregory's shoes righties would be demanding a prosecution?"

First, he would not have done what Gregory did because he has respect for the law. Second, I think a lot of "righties" would have been very critical on the lines of, "How can we criticize the failure to write intelligent law if we violate it ?"

You really don't understand, do you.

ken in sc said...

One of South Carolina's largest slave traders was a black who owned plantations in both South Carolina and east Africa. In 1860, there were over 200 black slave owners in South Carolina. There are still slaves in Mauritania, Sudan, and other parts of Africa. Slavery is one of the few African customs ever adopted by the outside world. It had been abolished in Europe but reintroduced by contact with Africa and the Arab world.

Jake Diamond said...

And do you realize that your stance puts you into a very small minority, not merely among the commentators on the Althouse blog but among most Americans?

Thank goodness for that! There's little worse than having a bunch of dumbshits agree with you.

Epiphyte - said...

"You are honestly claiming that if Glenn Reynolds had been in David Gregory's shoes righties would be demanding a prosecution?"

Reynold's doesn't advocate for unjust gun laws, Matthews does. If you're going to be an advocate for unjust gun possession laws for everyone else (that apply regardless of criminal intent), then you d*mn sure ought to be subject to them.

edutcher said...

Jake Diamond said...

And do you realize that your stance puts you into a very small minority, not merely among the commentators on the Althouse blog but among most Americans?

Thank goodness for that! There's little worse than having a bunch of dumbshits agree with you.


Which explains Diamond's perpetually sour attitude. He thinks he's smarter than everybody, but only the Koskidz and DU agree with him.

Depressing.

virgil xenophon said...

Not only did Gregory's wife take part in a moot court charity event with the DC Attny Gen in 2011, but she was also once the Chief Legal Counsel for Fannie Mae...thus knows where MANY Donkey bodies are buried..

Bruce Hayden said...

Isn't the Internet great? See how quickly the reasons for Gregory's free pass come to light - including that picture of his wife with the DC AG, and, apparently that she was tied closely enough to the Dem power structure to get the Fanny Mae sinecure.

Jack said...

It must be terribly painful and sad for the wingnut and lunatics that David Gregory won't be prosecuted, and that his life won't be ruined to the maximum extent possible. (Let's be honest; that's what conservatives crave, in Gregory's case and so many others: the suffering of their enemies.)

It has not gone unnoticed that wingnuts want no gun laws at all except as they can be applied to people wingnuts hate. If anyone else is prosecuted for having a 30 round mag, it's all "TYRANNY!!! Time to water the tree of liberty with the blood of David Gregory and everyone else who disagrees with us!!!"

Penny said...

I don't watch Gregory's Sunday show, but Meade and Ann do. Cannot WAIT to see who they send in to twist this young man's short hairs about this.

JPS said...

Jack, I for one don't want Gregory's life ruined. I do, however, agree with our host that if you shouldn't prosecute Gregory just for having an empty 30-round mag, because he clearly never was going to harm anyone, you shouldn't prosecute people we've never heard of for mere possession of a 30-round mag.

And I do find it jarring when people call for harsh penalties for actions that are in themselves harmless, while at the same time violating those laws that are on the books.

Jake Diamond: Thanks for your thoughtful contributions to the debate. In my experience, people who casually insult others' intelligence are tedious, insecure and none too bright themselves. Obviously you're the exception.

JPS said...

Jack - P.S.: I find that whole "tree of liberty" quote creepy as hell, always did, even before learning that McVeigh was a big fan.

Then again, I have mixed emotions about Jefferson. Lofty sentiments about liberty that he roundly violated in his personal dealings, and he became more bitter and nasty in defending his hypocrisy as he aged.

Jason said...

Jack,

Gregory was specifically advocating for more laws banning these magazines. On TV no less.


If you weren't here advocating for the DC attorney general to lay off of wounded warrior Lt. Augustine Kim, or Adam Meckler, or James Brinkley, kindly fuck off.

Each of these men were military veterans (Kim had just been discharged by Walter Reed for having reconstructive surgery done to his face which got fucked up by a Taliban IED and was driving his gun collection back home to South Carolina from his parents' house in New Jersey and wanted to stop in and see his buddies still recovering at Walter Reed.

The same DA did his level best to destroy the lives of each of these men. He sought to end Kim's career, specifically, because a conviction would have cost him his secret clearance.

He nearly ended Meckler's career before it began. He got his pathetic ass handed to him in court in the Brinkley case, but he still won't admit being wrong.

These are ordinary citizens who don't send their kids to Sidwell Friends with the President's kids.
Their wives aren't hobnobbing with the DA at fundraisers which are more about being seen than raising money.

The DA came after them with the full force of the law.

The DA came after them determined to fuck them up, and you didn't have a thing to say in their defense. No, it is you and your people who went out of your way - and spent precious taxpayer resources - to destroy the lives of these good men.

But what the DA fucked up more than anything else was the rule of law.

You and your ilk can go to Hell.

Seriously.


Baron Zemo said...

How is it that Gregory keeps his job and the ESPN cornball brother dude loses his job?

I mean that guy was just exercising his First Amendment rights while Gregory was blatantly violating the law while exercising his First Amendment rights?

Is the First Amendment only for white people?

Racists.

wyo sis said...

What the right is advocating is getting rid of stupid gun laws. If Glen Reynolds had found himself in the situation he'd have done it to point out the stupidity of the law not advocate for more of them.
This should be self evident.

Sam L. said...

I wonder if Jake Diamond posts elsewhere as Zachriel.

Be nice if we could apply another kind of juice to the juicy.

creeley23 said...

Jason: Thanks for mentioning the cases of those veterans, which are all obvious horrors.

The Obama government is about control, not justice. It's that simple.

Those who further that control, such as Gregory, are exempted. Others are crushed.

Thank you, Obama voters.

Humperdink said...

"Gregory's spouse looked real happy to have her arm the DC Attorney General at a charity fund fundraiser.
His wife is an arms dealer?"

I should have proof read my post. Should have read:

"Gregory's spouse looked real happy to have her arm 'around' the DC Attorney General at a charity fund fundraiser."

There was a photo to that effect in the annual report of the ShakespeareTheater.Org

cubanbob said...

Looks like the DA has a serious ethics and conflict of issues problem that needs investigating.

Jake Diamond said...

He thinks he's smarter than everybody, but only the Koskidz and DU agree with him.

I don't visit either of those blogs. No amusement value whatsoever.

Sorry to burst your reality-free bubble, edumbshit!

Baron Zemo said...

The perfect counterpoint happened recently in a resturant in LA.

Recently Miss Diana Ross went to La Scala in Beverly Hills without having a reservation. The policy of this joint is that no one is seated without a reservation until the entire party had arrived. Miss Ross wouldn't hear of it and marched over to a table and sat down to wait for her daughter.

Management went up to her to explain that she would not be serverd. The daughter then showed up and hilarity ensued.

They explained to Miss Ross that the rules apply to everyone and a rule is a rule. Or a law is a a law.

Miss Ross explained the "Don't You Know Who I Am" rule to them but they were not impressed.

It is too bad that the management of La Scala is not the District Attorney of the District of Columbia.

Tom said...

I think we should have a Million Magazine March on DC! Just high-cap mags for our Civil Rights!!!

Jason said...

Anyone arrested should identify themselves as "Gregory, David."

Unknown said...

I bet David Gregory goes to NY when he needs pain medicine.

Jim Treacher said...

"But every single person here knows had this been Glenn Reynolds instead of David Gregory it would be a completely different set of circumstances."

Yeah, Reynolds would've obeyed the law.

Matthew Sablan said...

I wonder if Gregory would be prosecuted for waving some marijuana in front of the president to ask him hard questions about drug laws.

azmountaintroll said...

I can honestly say that the Gregory incident has not diminished my respect for the law. And I mean that sincerely.

gbarto said...

As a libertarian who opposes the law, I don't want to see anyone go to jail over it. What I would like is the following statement from Gregory:

"In the past, I have argued firmly for laws restricting firearms and anything associated with them. I have shaken my head at the likes of Wayne Lapierre who said they were overdone. It has now been brought home to me that some of these laws may not just threaten what gun nuts perceive as their Second Amendment rights but what I and NBC perceive as our First Amendment rights. I still disagree with people needing these magazines, but understand when gun rights advocates say that some gun laws may be overbroad, poorly drafted and a threat to our Constitutional rights."

GMOW said...

This situation certainly validates Mr Bumble's observation in Oliver Twist.

In this case, not only is the law an ass but the prosecutor, as well.

bgates said...

had this been Glenn Reynolds instead of David Gregory it would be a completely different set of circumstances

Reynolds has the American appreciation for the right to keep and bear arms rather than Gregory's feudal Democrat desire to keep the peasants unarmed and helpless, so he wouldn't have an aggressively confrontational interview with the NRA. Reynolds also has an American respect for the law rather than Gregory's feudal Democrat sense of being above it, so he wouldn't break the law to try to score a cheap rhetorical point. Reynolds has the good sense to not break the law on a nationally broadcast television program. Reynolds also recognizes that arguing for the imposition of more laws to abridge a fundamental American right by violating one of those same laws is not just un-American and stupid, it's in bad taste.

And I have no doubt that if Glenn Reynolds had a national tv program on which he appeared to argue in favor of the protection of American rights while scrupulously obeying the law, lefties would still be howling for him to be locked up. So, yeah, completely different set of circumstances.

bgates said...

I wonder if Gregory would be prosecuted for waving some marijuana in front of the president

First degree bogarting.

Minicapt said...

"But every single person here knows had this been Glenn Reynolds instead of David Gregory it would be a completely different set of circumstances."

it is quite possible that Prof Reynolds might have appeared on national TV from Washington DC with a 'high capacity clip' in his hand in order to cause his own arrest. It's a gesture previously popular as "civil disobedience".

Cheers