December 31, 2012

What's Happening to Hillary? Only a clod would say the clot is a plot!

Here are Senators Lindsey Graham and Dianne Feinstein, interviewed by Chris Wallace (yesterday, on "Fox News Sunday"):
WALLACE: Senator Graham, how important is it for Secretary of State Clinton to testify under oath before she leaves office about the Benghazi terror attack?...

GRAHAM: Absolutely essential that she'd testify....

WALLACE: Some of your Republican colleagues say they are prepared to hold off the confirmation of John Kerry as secretary of state, until Secretary Clinton testifies as secretary, before she leaves office.

GRAHAM: That's going to happen. I've been told by Senator Kerry he wants that approach also. He needs to hear what she says so he can make comments about, I agree with her/I don't agree with her. It makes sense to have her go first.

WALLACE: Do you agree with that, Senator Feinstein, that she needs to testify first, as an -- and have you been assured she will testify, though it has been 3 1/2 months since Benghazi and she still has never really answered questions, about Benghazi, her role before, during, after the attack? Do you have reason to believe she'll testify as secretary?

FEINSTEIN: She has said she will and I believe she will. You know, she's had a very real accident and she's recovering from it, and, she will be back. I gather, her first day, of work may well be next week. So, I think that's good news.
With all that assurance that Hillary Clinton would testify, later that day, we heard the news that Hillary Clinton had entered the hospital with a blood clot. We weren't told the site of said blood clot. Was it her brain (recently concussed)? Was it her leg (where she had a blood clot back in 1998)? The former is a big deal, the latter, not so much. Why not specify the site, since it make such a big difference, medically? Oh, but we're told we must not display any skepticism, any hint of suspicion that the SOS is trying to avoid having to testify about Benghazi. The woman is ill. Only a clod would say a clot was a plot.

Here's medical expert Kent Sepkowitz:
Unlike the relatively bland “concussion after fainting” pronouncement from earlier this month, this terse press release from her spokesman smells a little fishy. First it is odd that we are not told where the clot is—usually the clot, referred to as thrombophlebitis, occurs in the leg, a condition suffered by former president Richard Nixon after leaving the White House. 
Maybe you can remember — if not, guess! — how sensitive we were to Nixon's phlebitis, which conveniently flared up in the midst of Watergate. Ha! That bastard thinks he can get our sympathy. Pathetic! (That's what I said at the time.)
The clot [in the leg] can be uncomfortable but is only dangerous and even life threatening if it breaks free and travels downstream into the lung—a pulmonary embolus, in medical parlance.... Given that Clinton already has had this condition and those who have had one episode have a predilection to recurrence, the lack of a reminder of the 1998 clot from her press people seems a strange oversight.

Another problem with the “concussion then clot” story is this—the concussion, if indeed it came after a faint, should not directly predispose Clinton to a clot....

Alternatively, is it possible that the clot in question is one in the lining of the brain that can form after head trauma.... But anticoagulation is never given to persons with clots around the brain. They are either watched without intervention or surgically evacuated. So this possible explanation is out.

We are left with a story that is not easy to connect up with sparse information from the inside crowd, who could easily deflate speculation with two or three more measly facts. The National Enquirer has already declared Clinton to be suffering from a brain tumor, linking her observed weight gain, possibly from treatment for the putative cancer, and not-exactly-explained need to leave Obama’s Cabinet to the grim diagnosis. Such a story no longer seems to me as implausible as it did after the faint and concussion reports.
The suppression of informationthe site of the clot — suggests 2 radically different theories: 1. fakery/exaggeration to evade testimony, or 2. something horribly serious. I read Sepkowitz to exclude the middle ground.

UPDATE: Email from CNN says: "Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has a blood clot between her brain and skull behind her right ear, her doctors said." This seems to be the option that Sepkowitz excluded because "anticoagulation is never given to persons with clots around the brain." If that's correct, then something is still, to use Sepkowitz's word, fishy.

UPDATE 2: Here's the Washington Post, on January 1st, noting the site of the clot and saying "The conventional treatment is an anticoagulant drug for at least six months." So that directly contradictions Sepkowitz's statement that "anticoagulation is never given to persons with clots around the brain."

AND: I've got a bit more to say here

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Shouting Thomas said...

I won't venture a guess as to which of the two possibilities are true.

If (remember that I said if) she's faking to avoid testimony, then I would assume that the facts about the Benghazi incident are far more damaging to the Obama admin than previously speculated.

KJE said...

Of course she'll never testify.

rhhardin said...

I'd guess that Hillary got the clot from birth control pills.

rhhardin said...

You know, she's had a very real accident

That's the comparative of real.

Mitchell the Bat said...

I am a concussion so that my son may be a clot so that his son may be a cancer.

McTriumph said...

She is a Clinton, "truth" is a meaningless term.

John said...

Curioser and curioser

A russian intelligence site
http://www.rg.ru/org/pravitelstvo/minoboroni/gru/

is reporting that Hilary was injured in a plane crash in Iran that also killed Navy SEAL Job W Price.

The military claims that Price died of gunshot wounds to the head and is an apparent suicide.

The link above takes you to a site in cyrillic. A search of the site for Clinton Iran does turn up a story but I have no idea what it says.

There is a report on the whole thing with details here:

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1641.htm

Normally I would dismiss this as fever swamp stuff. But it is Clinton and you can never dismiss any story about them, no matter how crazy (Imagine, a semen stained dress. That Drudge guy is nuts)

I doubt it is true but someone should get the state dept on record denying it.

John Henry

rehajm said...

We already know her condition. It is serious enough she will never have to testify about Benghazi, but not serious enough that it will harm her future in politics. Though it is serious enough to support the idea she is a strong leader because she 'overcame' her condition.

AllenS said...

The blood clot will be blamed for her amnesia during her Senate testimony.

AllenS said...

She actually entered the hospital to dry out.

edutcher said...

If she died to get out of testifying, the joke would be on us.

Pogo said...

Interesting how often the Kremlin is being discussed these days in re: Washington.

Will Hillary be airbrushed out of photographs?

Pogo said...

Remember that the Clintons even lie when the truth is in their favor.

jd said...

Jeez, Althouse. Stop being such a gossip. Wy don't you eal with the facts that you have? You don't know anything, so stop acting like you do. The woman is sick, and you've been gossiping based on your limited information for weeks now, because you want to make a huge deal out of Benghazi. Your desperation has revealed that you're a pretty shitty person.

Buzzfeed posted about conspiratorial conservatives who look shitty now that the state of Clinton's health has grown more serious. Why double down on your conspiracy theories? Why not just wait to see what happens to her? If you don't believe her, why not just shut up? Why are you being so shitty?

We are about to go over the fiscal cliff. The Republican caucus in Washington is broken, and will be blamed for not being able to even make it close to a deal. Meanwhile, with the other news story, conservative activists cannot help but continue to sneer about Clinton's health. Basically, you all look bad.

2013 might be a time for resolutions: fewer conspiracy theories, less knee-jerk hate for everyone who doesn't agree with one politically, more thoughtfulness about whether what one is writing contributes to a substantive discussion and isn't meaningless gossip. Basically, resolve to stop being a shitty person.

Lem said...

Only a clod would say a clot was a plot.

I vow to the mob that believe the clot story is meant to tie up the committee in knots.

AllenS said...

Recently, jd suffered a concussion.

Pogo said...

"Buzzfeed posted about conspiratorial conservatives who look shitty now that the state of Clinton's health has grown more serious. "

Why not just tell the truth?

Shit, Regan got shot and had surgery. Truth told.

Clinton disappears and cannot testify. Bullshit press release about a concussion and now a blood clot.

It is a conspiracy, if only of silence. The Clintons are unable to tell the truth, even when it is the wiser move.

John said...

Interesting Ann mentions Nixon and his clot.

Anyone remember a young staff lawyer on the Watergate commission? In the only job she ever had that didn't involve being Bill Clinton's wife?

Is she now recalling past memories?

Hillary, it didn't work for Nixon then, why do you think it will work for you now?

John Henry

jd said...

"The Clintons are unable to ever be truthful" is not a fact. It's something you think is likely because you don't like them. Use facts. It will help you out in the long run.

AllenS said...

First it was the flu, then the fall and concussion, now a blood clot. What's next? What will the next excuse be? jd, any ideas?

Shouting Thomas said...

Hillary, it didn't work for Nixon then, why do you think it will work for you now?

Sadly, I cannot agree.

Nixon faced an extremely hostile press determined to dig out the truth.

The Obama admin is blessed with a lapdog press that wants to protect him.

My biggest fear in relationship to the Obama admin is precisely that it faces no adversarial press to reign in the normal human tendency toward corruption and self-dealing. This may lead to disaster as events unfold.

John said...

Are we perhaps getting a variation of the "Mom is on the roof and won't come down" joke?

http://www.jokes.com/funny-animal-jokes/fldw99/cat-on-a-hot-tin-roof

Last night the State dept said she would be back to work today. That sounded fishy to me. Come out of the hospital after less than 24 hours, fly to DC to go to work on a day that nobody else is working?

Now she will be under observation for 48 hours or so and be hack next week.

John Henry

Elle said...

I'm with AllenS at 6:34 - I call it the "Soap Opera" defense.

AllenS said...

"But I want to say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again: I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never. These allegations are false." -- Bill Clinton

jd said...

i don't know, but really, why do you give such a shit whether she testifies in five minutes or in two weeks? by your logic she would have to keep ramping up health excuses to get out of testifying. And it's not like the Republicans in the House have any crazy information to sting her with. In the end, there would be all of this conspiracy for nothing, it doesn't make sense. The conspiracy would truly just be to delay her having to go to capitol hill, where she would get some Republican committee members just being stern with her. The State Department investigation didn't touch her and the House investigation won't be done until she's gone, and her testimony won't change the results of that investigation much. Just logically, there's no need for a conspiracy.

But that wasn't my point--my point was that all this conjecture and speculation and gossip is inappropriate and makes you guys look like jerks.

pm317 said...

she still has never really answered questions, about Benghazi, her role before, during, after the attack?

Yeah, beat up on her.. WHERE WAS OBAMA, before, during, and after the attack? Why isn't anybody asking HIM that question?

Shouting Thomas said...

And it's not like the Republicans in the House have any crazy information to sting her with.

You won't know this until she testifies.

Also, the press carefully avoided digging into the Benghazi incident in order to assist in re-electing Obama.

They won't be able to avoid covering the Secretary of State testifying before Congress. The story will be all over the place for a couple of weeks.

Joe Schmoe said...

Well, I'm glad to see George HW Bush is improving.

I'd wish Hillary well if I knew what was wrong with her. What's with all the cloak and dagger about everything?

Pogo said...

"...all this conjecture and speculation and gossip is inappropriate ..."

The SOS disappears and has not one but two medical problems that are not disclosed except vaguely and BTW she can't testify about the murder of 4 US citizens under her watch ...

...and we're the gossips?

AllenS said...

"I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base." -- Hillary Clinton

Lem said...

The Clintons are unable to tell the truth, even when it is the wiser move.

They could have settled the Paula Jones suit and ultimately avoided the biggest presidential asterisk of all... impeachment.

They have learned nothing.

virgil xenophon said...

Yet again, to quote from my favorite political philosopher Lilly Tomlin: "I try to be cynical, but I can't keep up."

jd said...

yep. it's inappropriate. and i'm definitely not the only person that sees it that way.

(just an aside--4 Americans did die, and that really sucks. But you guys really didn't care when the Bush administration completely botched the post-invasion period of the Iraq War leading to the deaths of many more Americans and Iraqi civilians. You all didn't care about that too much, so your outrage here seems a little feigned.)

Shouting Thomas said...

Who are these "you guys" you're talking about, jd?

Straw man much?

AllenS said...

jd said...
"The Clintons are unable to ever be truthful" is not a fact. It's something you think is likely because you don't like them. Use facts. It will help you out in the long run.

I gave you two examples of each one of them telling a lie. I used facts, their own words. How about it, jd, did I help you out in the long run?

jd said...

you guys = everyone who is so up in arms about benghazi. so, not a straw man, just a use of a normal term to describe a bunch of people at once.

Shouting Thomas said...

That "Question Authority" thing certainly goes by the wayside as soon as Democrats are in office, doesn't it?

AllenS said...

jd said...
But you guys really didn't care when the Bush administration completely botched the post-invasion period of the Iraq War

Ok, jd, your turn, please cite someone from this blog that said they didn't care.

Shouting Thomas said...

You don't know whether those "you guys" are really the fierce Bush supporters you imagine.

Strawman #1.

The issue here is whether the Obama admin engaged in malfeasance in a particular incident, not whether we have a moral aversion to death in combat.

Strawman #2.

You have anything relevant to say that's actually about this topic?

jd said...

@AllenS...you came up with to nonfactual statements...that doesn't mean they are unable to ever be truthful.

You're trying to put forward a syllogistic fallacy, sorry.

Hagar said...

A little off topic, but yesterday's thread got hijacked:

1. Sen. Feinstein said "... They aren't good hunting weapons. I mean, no hunter, in my view, worth his or her salt, would use an assault weapon to hunt, and, they're not necessarily good defense of[sic] weapons."

Not true, in the configuration usually pictured and .223 cal., it is an excellent varmint and small game gun. And, of course, if you are going to hunt big game, order the rifle in a configuration suited to what you are going to use it for and to your personal preferences in stocks, etc.

Besides, we should make national legislation based on Sen. Feinstein's personal opinions about activities in which she does not engage and knows nothing about, other than what she has seen on TV?

2. "... as a matter of fact, the Bushmaster has a legal slide you can put on it to make it fully automatic. And just pump out slews of bullets and it gives --"

I do not believe that this can possibly be true. Such a device would certainly be illegal to have installed on an AR-15 in your possession, since it then, ipso facto, would be a fully automatic firearm.

So, after all this time, Senator Feinstein simply has not bothered to find out the most elementary things about a very hot-button issue on which she proposes to introduce legislation.

And I had thought that she at least was bright and relatively honest - at least for a Democrat. I am sorry to see I was wrong about that.

AllenS said...

"Oh, noes! I didn't lie, they were just nonfactual statements!"

Pogo said...

Shit, jd, Bill wouldn't even agree to the meaning of the of the word "is."

They're both experts in mendacity, documented for decades. Your railing against that conclusion is of little import.

jd said...

this is fun.

@AllenS. Yeah on New Year's Ever morning I'm going to research the archives of this blog to find proof of the fact that conservatives didn't storm the pentagon demanding an account of why the post-invasion planning for iraq was so shitty. Why don't you prove that negative for me?

@shouting thomas. Your straw man #1 is actually a straw man of your own position. If you're upset about malfeasance, it should not be narrowed to a particular president. unless you don't care about malfeasance, but rather care more about shitting on a particular president/secretary of state. Which is what appears to be the case. Your straw man #2 doesn't make sense, it seems like a mean to just say you don't like what I'm saying so you're going to say I'm not saying anything substantive.

Shouting Thomas said...

jd, I have to say that your last comment was outrageously dumb and incoherent.

Do you really have anything to say other than you want to protect a Democratic administration?

That appears to be about it.

AllenS said...

Hey, motherfucker, put up or shut up. You limp wristed little bitch.

Shouting Thomas said...

So, jd, I'm just going to have to dismiss you as a partisan clown.

SomeoneHasToSayIt said...

Maybe you can remember — if not, guess! — how sensitive we were to Nixon's phlebitis, which conveniently flared up in the midst of Watergate. Ha! That bastard thinks he can get our sympathy. Pathetic! (That's what I said at the time.)

"bastard", eh? Can you give us any examples where you have referred to a Liberal of similar political stature, in that language?

For perspective, Watergate is a frat prank compared to Fast & Furious, and probably Benghazi, Chappaquiddick, Cattle futures, Lewinsky, Obama's foreign student college scholarship fraud, etc.

Michael K said...

The brain clot theory has another issue. Epidural hematomas, like the one that killed Natasha Richardson, occurs right after the fall and must be treated immediately. Subdural hematoma occurs later and may not require surgery. Neither would be treated with anticoagulants. There is something that is not being disclosed.

Michael K said...

"
We are about to go over the fiscal cliff. The Republican caucus in Washington is broken, and will be blamed for not being able to even make it close to a deal. Meanwhile, with the other news story, conservative activists cannot help but continue to sneer about Clinton's health. Basically, you all look bad."

Note the "you" in the comment. It does tend to make this twerp look a bit emotional, aside from the language.

jd said...

@AllenS, you're a real charmer! buy me a drink first!

@Shouting Thomas--it makes sense it you take time to think :) I don't really care about defending a democratic administration. I do find the outrage over this issue to be contrived and based more on attacking a democratic administration than on seeking justice or whatever for 4 dead Americans. I resent that conservatives seem so intent on scandal-mongering and wasting time on this. I raised the Iraq thing as an example of an instance that was far graver and yet elicited little concern on the other side. I'm not trying to say Democrats aren't politically motivated in their scandal-mongering, but this Benghazi thing is all about politics, not what is "right."

have a good day guys.

jd said...

@AllenS, you're a real charmer! buy me a drink first!

@Shouting Thomas--it makes sense it you take time to think :) I don't really care about defending a democratic administration. I do find the outrage over this issue to be contrived and based more on attacking a democratic administration than on seeking justice or whatever for 4 dead Americans. I resent that conservatives seem so intent on scandal-mongering and wasting time on this. I raised the Iraq thing as an example of an instance that was far graver and yet elicited little concern on the other side. I'm not trying to say Democrats aren't politically motivated in their scandal-mongering, but this Benghazi thing is all about politics, not what is "right."

have a good day guys.

Mian said...

I'm not a big Hillary fan, though I respect her service to our country (however misguided!) and truly wish her a speedy recovery.

That being said, the fact that her people are so tight-lipped about her condition --and her a sitting Secretary of State -- is appalling.
Reminiscent of Venezuelan propaganda...

Shouting Thomas said...

I do find the outrage over this issue to be contrived...

I'll say this again.

How can you possibly know this? The whole point of Clinton testifying before Congress is to get the facts on the table.

So, yes, you just want to protect a Democratic administration. There is no other explanation for why you want to block this effort to get the facts out and in public.

You're a partisan clown who wants to bury this incident.

Michael K said...

"Not true, in the configuration usually pictured and .223 cal., it is an excellent varmint and small game gun. And, of course, if you are going to hunt big game, order the rifle in a configuration suited to what you are going to use it for and to your personal preferences in stocks, etc."

It is actually modular, which is why it's so popular. You can order another barrel and receiver in a different caliber and use the rest of the rifle without going to another design.

She really is ignorant but being a Senator doesn't require much. Look at Kerry.

Michael K said...

" I don't really care about defending a democratic administration. I do find the outrage over this issue to be contrived and based more on attacking a democratic administration than on seeking justice or whatever for 4 dead Americans."

Nobody believes you so why clutter up the comments section with these lies ?

Hagar said...

And it is my understanding that the trigger mechanism on an AR-15 is a sealed unit that has intentionally been made very difficult to tamper with.
This is, of course, not so for other semi-auto rifles, such as the old M1 carbine, f.ex.
I would also think that a clever tinkerer with access to a machine shop could turn quite "Feinstein legal" rifles into full auto's.
But it is the Bushmaster specifically that she is talking about.

Also note that it is possession of a full auto that has been illegal since 1934.

Likewise, manufacturer's are prohibited from offering shotguns with short barrels for civilian sale, but since we all have hacksaws, it is again possession that is banned for the citizens.

Astro said...

What happened to the lie -- er, I mean, her second recent health problem, 'female problems'?

Fainting, concussion, 'female trouble', now bood clot...

There once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside watching the village sheep. To amuse himself he took a great breath and sang out, "Wolf! Wolf! The Wolf is chasing the sheep!"

The villagers came running up the hill to help the boy drive the wolf away. But when they arrived at the top of the hill, they found no wolf. The boy laughed at the sight of their angry faces.

"Don't cry 'wolf', shepherd boy," said the villagers, "when there's no wolf!" They went grumbling back down the hill.
...

gerry said...

But anticoagulation is never given to persons with clots around the brain.

Not true. How does this affects Clinton's story? I don't know.

creeley23 said...

There has been a consistent pattern of lies, evasions, misdirections, and delays since 9-11 from the Obama administration, including Hillary, on Benghazi.

We have every right to be suspicious about these odd, unclear announcements about Hillary's health that only surfaced when she was about to testify on Benghazi.

The questions about Benghazi are simple chain of command issues. Who decided not help the Ambassador before the attack? Who decided not to help the Ambassador during the attack? Who decided not to tell the truth to the American people after the attack?

We are asking for information known to Obama and his top advisers in the government and military.

It's more than 3 1/2 months later and we still don't what happened at Benghazi because Obama and his people won't tell us.

Whatever is happening with Hillary looks like part of that pattern. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, maybe it's both.

AllenS said...

Where in the fuck has Bill been? He doesn't seem to appear in any of these stories. Does he not care?

roger ellsworth said...

JD - the problem is that you and other libs want to whitewash any negative news regarding the actions of this administration. I find it telling that you do not care about the deaths of the four individuals in Benghazi. This tells us all we need to know about you and your worthless opinions.

creeley23 said...

I do find the outrage over this issue to be contrived...

jd: I find your outrage entirely contrived.

Tell me that if the Bush administration were pulling these stunts liberals wouldn't be foaming at the mouth.

I remember five years of Democratic outrage over Plamegate. I remember 32 consecutive days of front page NYT coverage on Abu Ghraib. No one died in either of those. No act of war was at stake. No American ambassador was killed by terrorists.

The Obama presidency has demonstrated beyond dispute the hypocrisy of the American left.

gregwithtwogs said...

What do Wisconsin's no show teachers have in common with Hillary Clinton?

They use a doctor's excuse.

Brett said...

You'd have deduced, quite rationally, from Obama's obstinance about releasing his birth certificate, that there was something damaging in it. But there wasn't, he was just being an ass.

When obviously critical information is embargoed, you can never rule out the possibility that somebody just doesn't feel like being reasonable.

Pogo said...

"When obviously critical information is embargoed, you can never rule out the possibility that somebody just doesn't feel like being reasonable."

My conclusion is that Obama and the Clinton cannot stop themselves from lying, even about things that do not matter.

That is, they are sociopaths.

betweenthelines said...

Hmmmm... Richard Nixon or George Costanza? What a horrible choice we face for the presumed next president!

Shouting Thomas said...

My conclusion is that Obama and the Clinton cannot stop themselves from lying, even about things that do not matter.

Lying to protect oneself is normal human behavior, and that behavior is amplified when somebody occupies a position of power.

The problem is that Obama and Clinton don't face an aggressively adversarial press, as a Republican would.

Ignorance is Bliss said...

They will not disclose the location of the clot because they want to avoid using the phrase ample cankles.

Hagar said...

Some years ago a Washington insider said he was used to politicians lying, they all do, but he thought that the ease with which the Clintons lie was disturbing.

creeley23 said...

I find it telling that you do not care about the deaths of the four individuals in Benghazi. This tells us all we need to know about you and your worthless opinions.

jd: Roger Ellsworth bring up a good point. Whether or not you believe we are genuinely outraged about Benghazi, do you care?

Four Americans, including an Ambassador, are dead. They requested aid from the most powerful government in the history of the world. None was given by the Obama administration and those Americans are dead.

Doesn't this bother you?

Hagar said...

I am fairly tone deaf and probably slightly autistic by the current fashion, so I do not like loud noises.
I therefore feel that no musician worthy of the name would use an electronically amplified instrument, and all such devices should be banned.

Scott M said...

Maybe you can remember — if not, guess! — how sensitive we were to Nixon's phlebitis, which conveniently flared up in the midst of Watergate.

Nixon's Head: "I remember my body. Flabby, pasty-skinned, riddled with phlebitis. A good Republican body. God, how I loved it."

Scott M said...

Let's all remember that we're dealing with the sniper dodger here.

RebeccaH said...

If the brain tumor rumor is true, then Clinton is guilty of hiding the truth in service to her 2016 presidential run (come on, did anybody think she wouldn't?). In any case, this is pure untrustworthy Clinton.

RebeccaH said...

If the brain tumor rumor is true, then Clinton is guilty of hiding the truth in service to her 2016 presidential run (come on, did anybody think she wouldn't?). In any case, this is pure untrustworthy Clinton.

Maguro said...

Ha ha, I forgot about her "female problems". The spokesman refused to go into detail because...female stuff is icky or something. Yeah, most transparent administration evah!

garage mahal said...

The suppression of the site of the clot!

LOL. One stupid conspiracy theory to the next.

Rustling Leaves said...

I think it would be a risk to fly with any kind of blood clot. I believe she has a legitimate problem and that the timing was just a coincidence.

Michael K said...


12/31/12 8:01 AM
Blogger gerry said...

" But anticoagulation is never given to persons with clots around the brain.

Not true. How does this affects Clinton's story? I don't know."

The treatment of acute stroke is another matter. The thrombolysin has to be given in the first hour and it has to be determined that the problem is a thrombosis in the artery.

This is unrelated to a fall.

Jake Diamond said...

Althouse insanity continues.

Attention Althouse lemmings! Forward march!

St. George said...

Is it possible she's been in a coma or near death for the past three weeks, and it's been kept secret for some reason?

Where's the press?

Same place they were when Wilson caught the flu (or had a stroke).

Tom Perkins said...

I expect she's having the plastic surgery she thinks will make her appear young enough to run in 2016. The recovery time is convenient to the Benghazi testimony too.

Or she has a real health problem, or she's just ducking testifying about Benghazi because she doesn't know how much the Republicans know.

All in all, I recall Twain's remark about obituaries read with pleasure.

garage mahal said...

Clot Truthers.

jadiana said...

What does it mean is a disinformation site run by Sorcha Fall/David Booth.

There's not a bit of truth there, ever.

creeley23 said...

As usual, our liberal trolls have nothing to offer but one-line snarks.

Neither they nor the Obama administration has any sensible response to the concerns about Benghazi except to evade and misdirect.

somefeller said...

As usual, our liberal trolls have nothing to offer but one-line snarks.

Sometimes a one-liner is all that's needed. But keep on searching, creely, the truth is out there!

Oops, that was two lines.

carrie said...

My mother fell and it turned out that she fell because she had had a mild stroke and had a blood clot in her brain. There are a lot of different (and some will be serious) things that could be going on with Hilary, all of which will absolve her from blame for everything.

Chip Ahoy said...

We have a representative government but these people do not represent me. Not. one. bit. We convened to decide who to hire and I was against hiring them but you out there hired them anyway, so of course I do want to keep an extra hard eye on them because I do no like them one single bit.

I would prefer they all died all at once. That's what a dick I am.

I meant one little little bit.

So no, I don't trust her, and when she does testify if ever I don't trust that either.

Only a clod would suspect the clot a plot? Then I'm a clod.

Chef Mojo said...

Maybe Hillary can get a room with Hugo Chavez. That way, they could use the same spokesman to trickle out vague reports about their conditions.

MayBee said...

If she doesn't want to testify, I suspect it is to protect our president as much as herself.

Surely he would have been paying very close to his pet project, Libya.

As for Hillary's health? Who knows. I don't believe anyone should be shamed for questioning the statements of any politician (or that of their spokespeople). Taking politicians at their word is rarely wise.

Inga said...

The clot thickens......

As we go over the fiscal cliff.

roesch/voltaire said...

It seems the right, like Chip, have congealed into a permanent state of hate, which will suffice, I guess, for debate.

Shouting Thomas said...

It seems the right, like Chip, have congealed into a permanent state of hate, which will suffice, I guess, for debate.

Oh, BS, R/V. The statement of one person does not equate to "the right."

Cosmo said...

I have a friend whose brother is an NFL Hall of Fame QB. This friend told me once of something his brother observed in his very successful football career, and something I've seen frequently as well, after having him name this phenomenon:

When a player (typically a skill player like a quarterback) makes an exceptionally bad play (like throwing an interception at a key juncture in a game), many times, that player will "pull up lame" or hobble off the field as if to garner sympathy or somehow explain the reason he has made such a horrible mistake.

He calls it "Loser's Limp."

No medical word on whether said limp creates clots...

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Chef Mojo said...

R/V, I'm not seeing any hate here.

I am seeing people who would like to honestly know about the health problems of their politicians. This country has a long and sordid history of politicians of both parties hiding or lying about their health problems, often with the help of the Fourth Estate. We really shouldn't have to guess at the health of our politicians, especially in this day and age.

edutcher said...

Hey, Allen, I hear you and Roger were her security detail when those snipers opened up. She gave each of you a pantsuit. You still have it, you have the pantsuit.

BTW, anybody check Vince Foster's grave recently?

Jake Diamond said...

Althouse insanity continues.

Attention Althouse lemmings! Forward march!


somefeller said...

As usual, our liberal trolls have nothing to offer but one-line snarks.

Sometimes a one-liner is all that's needed. But keep on searching, creely, the truth is out there!


Notice how the trolls all go to the Soviet response when faced with something that might threaten the Messiah?

EMD said...

nonfactual statements

Taxes = revenues.

Illegal immigrants = undocumented workers.

Lies = nonfactual statements.

Roger J. said...

I have no idea about Ms Clinton's medical condition--if she is in danger I wish her a full recovery.

As for her testimony on Benghazi? It may happen, but if it does, it will offer no answers as to what happened. The esteemed fourth estate will ask no provocative questions, and after we plumet of the fiscal cliff in the next hours, Benghazi will be long forgotten. (and actually I don't think DOS had much to do with it--I suspect it was a CIA gun running operation to Syrian rebels--Ms Clinton could confirm or deny that, but that isn't going to happen). We may well get answers ten years hence, but not before.

Roger J. said...

Edutcher: lol--I indeed have the orange pants suit--I have it to this day--that day in Bosnia was pure hell: the little girls kept trying give us flower bouquets, and the band wouldn't stop playing. It was so hectic that we couldn't return fire because our thirty round magazines had been confiscated. A day that will live in infamy, for sure.

EMD said...

post-invasion planning

I'm not sure I know what this is supposed to be, given that we had never invaded Iraq before.

edutcher said...

Anent her condition, I read (someplace) she'll be back at work today.

William said...

Why would anyone doubt the word of a Clinton? Only a rabid, partisan hater would doubt the probity of any member of that household.....If there were a death pool of Chavey, Castro, Bush, and Hillary, the lucky draw would be Hillary.....Remember the scene in the Audrey Hepburn movie Charade where the mourner stabs the corpse with a pin to ascertain his death. I certainly hope that no Republican partisan cheapen the dignity of her funeral by pulling such a shabby stunt.

EMD said...

OT: Congratulations to Cornball Brother Number One!

I wonder who Jerry Jones has left to blame.

garage mahal said...

Lot's of LOLs on this post making the rounds on Twitter. Nice work guys!

Dust Bunny Queen said...

When you are a professional liar, surrounded by professional liars and married to a professional liar, it is no wonder that we don't believe a word of this obviously fabricated story.

wyo sis said...

Why even bother to try to figure out what Hillary is up to? If a politician admits to health problems it almost always means they're trying to cover up something even more damaging than being perceived as physically not up to the job.
Always default to the conclusion that a politician is trying to cover up something and you won't go too far wrong.

edutcher said...

William, the guy doing the George Kennedy bit would be Willie.

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Shouting Thomas said...

Lot's of LOLs on this post making the rounds on Twitter. Nice work guys!

And? You not usually one for empty statements, garage... at least, I'll give you that. But, this one is absolutely empty.

You're liberal friends find it amusing that anybody would doubt the word of Clinton.

That's pretty amazing stuff!

MayBee said...

Lot's of LOLs on this post making the rounds on Twitter. Nice work guys!



Let he who has never doubted a politician's reported health concern throw the first pretzel.

BAS said...

They may also be hiding the seriousness of the accident because she wants to run for President in 4 years.

Bruce Hayden said...

I am not a doctor, and a couple of posters up stream most likely are. But, it does sound to me like Hillary! has some health issues, and someone is hiding stuff about it. I am normally as cynical as the next wingnut about the Clintons, but the fact that she couldn't testify because of her health, then was going to, and now can't again is too complicated to be totally a ruse to keep from testifying, which is why I think that there are real health issues involved.

Now, it could be cosmetic surgery, but I think that that would be too blatant, even for a Clinton, for her to delay testifying so that she can complete getting a face lift, etc. If she shows up looking a decade younger than she did a month or two ago, she will predispose a lot of Republicans, in particular, towards doubting pretty much everything she says. And, they would probably start off her questioning by asking: "Did you refuse to comply with your subpoena so that you could get cosmetic surgery? Or, were you just trying to run out the clock?" Something like that. (Assuming that they had subpoenaed here, which I cannot remember at the present time, esp. after both she and Gen. Petreaus were talking about invoking the 5th Amdt.)

Another reason that I do somewhat believe that she has real health issues is that she has pushed herself far harder over the last four years than most people in their mid-60s do. She has been in the air traveling to different countries around the world fairly constantly during her term in office. I think that she has traveled more than her immediate predecessors, and part of it, I think, is that they worked much more closely with the White House than she has been able to do. Dr. Rice got the job because she was GW Bush's right hand person and alter-ego when it came to foreign relations. Hillary! got her job, I think, through a political payoff of some sort, and has been doing what she could to affect foreign policy, while the real decisions were being made in the White House. And that has meant, I think, an awful lot of travel, even more than is typical of a Secretary of State. I think that travel, as well as a fairly grueling work schedule, is what has aged her so much, and I think probably adversely affected her health.

Pogo said...

International flights are a predisposing factor to blood clots in the legs.

Maguro said...

Dehydration, fainting, a concussion, female problems and now a blood clot in an undisclosed location.

What's next, an enlarged prostate? High cholesterol? The heartbreak of psoriasis? It could be anything.

The funny thing will be once this blows over, there'll be a spate of "Hillary is completely recovered and ready to fight fight fight for the American people" stories to position her for 2016. The usual suspects will lap it all up.

machine said...

Wowza...apology accepted.

R. Chatt said...

Bloomberg is reporting it is probably a clot in the leg. Hillary Clinton Admitted to Hospital With Blood Clot

MayBee said...

Aren't international flights a predisposing factor because of immobility?

She wouldn't have that kind of restrictive travel condition. She flies on a custom-fitted private jet.

Michael McNeil said...

Lot's of LOLs on this post making the rounds on Twitter. Nice work guys!

A great deal of that has got to be large numbers of Dem supporters essentially whistling past the graveyard (whistling in chorus to boot — to give themselves more courage) — rather desperately hoping and praying that there really doesn't turn out to be anything too scandalous when the truth about the government's response to Bengazhi (in progress and after) comes out.

Well, maybe they're right — and maybe they're not. Time will tell the tale.

garage mahal said...

You're liberal friends find it amusing that anybody would doubt the word of Clinton.

It's not her words. Do you think this hospital and her doctors concocted an elaborate hoax? Sorry, it's just funny watching the right and their nutball theories in real time.

Maguro said...

She wouldn't have that kind of restrictive travel condition. She flies on a custom-fitted private jet.

Yeah, she's not wedged into some economy class seat between the bulkhead and some fat guy like the rest of us are. You can get an idea of what her travel environment is like here, the 4th picture down.

Shouting Thomas said...

Do you think this hospital and her doctors concocted an elaborate hoax?

Nobody's talking about an "elaborate hoax."

The statements in question have been issued by the Obama admin and the State Department, not by Clinton's doctors.

It takes only one person in the Obama admin to issue a misleading, but not entirely accurate, statement. No elaborate hoax is needed.

Nice try.

garage mahal said...

The statements in question have been issued by the Obama admin and the State Department, not by Clinton's doctors

So maybe she isn't even in a hospital at all?

Shouting Thomas said...

And, garage, nobody's stated that Clinton didn't have a medical problem...

Only that the statement of her medical problem contained an interesting omission about the exact location of the blood clot in question.

It's an important omission. A blood clot in the brain would raise immediate questions about mental clarity and competence... thus making her testimony problematical.

A blood clot in the leg would not raise immediate questions about mental clarity and competence.

Shouting Thomas said...

So maybe she isn't even in a hospital at all?

You're welcome to that conjecture.

Nothing in my statement to indicate that.

Pogo said...

"Do you think this hospital and her doctors concocted an elaborate hoax?"

What hospital?
What doctors?

Was there a news conference we all missed?

John said...

My son, the MD, was at the house this morning and I asked him about this. He had not seen the story and knew noting more than what I told him which is precious little.

Based on that, though, he told me that a clot in the brain is the basic definition of an ischemic stroke.

He told me that this could cause anything from complete paralysis down to no physical effects at all.

If she had the clot in her brain, which is what the papers seem to want us to believe, she has had a stroke. Now we need to know how badly affected she is.

If the clot was in her leg or elsewhere, well, best wishes for a speedy recovery and prompt retirement.

Actually, if the clot was anywhere, best wishes for a prompt recovery and speedy retirement.

John Henry

Shouting Thomas said...

It's amazing how one's perspective changes on the issue of trusting public officials, depending on whether your favorites are in office.

Question authority! is the motto when Republicans are in office.

You must be hearing black helicopters overhead! is the motto when Democrats are in office.

David said...

More pants on fire.

Tully said...

From a later story:

"In the course of a follow-up exam today, Secretary Clinton's doctors discovered a blood clot had formed, stemming from the concussion she sustained several weeks ago," Reines said in a statement. "She is being treated with anti-coagulants and is at NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital so that they can monitor the medication over the next 48 hours."

That clears up the speculation. NOT.

garage mahal said...

What hospital?

What doctors?


Good catch. Maybe the "NY Hospital" doesn't even exist.

Maybe Hillary doesn't even have blood, so how could it clot???

Michael Haz said...

Imagine for a moment how apoplectic the (alleged) media would be if Condi Rice had all but disappeared for weeks on end rather than testifying before Congress.

And further imagine how in arms the press would have been if all the "medical" information had come solely from Rice's office, and not form physicians or hospitals. And that there was no information as to her whereabouts.

All the while remembering that the Secretary of State is the fourth in the chain of succession.

Do we even know where HRC is? Do we know whether she is even alive, or whether she is being held by another country?

Seriously, media, get on the stick here.

Shouting Thomas said...

garage, the funny thing is, were the party in power reversed, you would be doing precisely what you are pretending others are doing... spinning vicious conspiracy theories.

So, you're all about projection right now.

Sam L. said...

"I read Sepkowitz to exclude the middle ground."

Most of us here read Skeptowitz, and damned closely, too.

Official pronouncements about officials leads one to do so.

AJ Lynch said...

Garbage said:

"Maybe Hillary doesn't even have blood, so how could it clot???"

That is a distinct possibility for someone, like Hillary!, who has no heart and no moral compass.

garage mahal said...

Seriously, media, get on the stick here.

Where are the conservative media juggernauts like Daily Caller, Breitbart, Drudge, etc? Why wait for the Lamestream Media? Seems to me someone could at least verify Hillary is in a NY Hospital.

Maybe James O'Keefe could get into said hospital, dress up as a telephone repairman, and get us some much needed some answers.

Inga said...

"The Most Stupid, Ugly, Nasty Conservative Response to Clinton's Blood Clot". Well here's one take.

Maguro said...

I want to see garage's reaction when Scott Walker fails to testify about "routergate" due to series of unfortunate medical events - including "male problems".

I'm sure he'll be totally understanding and non-suspicious. Reall, he will!

paul a'barge said...

Only a clod would say a clot was a plot

It's a complete plot. I don't even believe there is a clot.

Moose said...

They eye of Mordor - er, that is Sully has taken notice of you.

Hide!!

MayBee said...

Thanks for the link, Maguro.

Yeah, the planes are pretty comfy PLUS the flight attendants wouldn't always be giving her the stink eye for walking around during the flight.

MayBee said...

Maybe she's trying to pass off Chelsea's clot as her own.

Pogo said...

So garage,

Which hospital is it, and who are the doctors?

With Reagan, reporters stood outside the George Washington University Hospital. Regular updates on the news.

I have no doubt she's in hospital, but the media-government secrecy is bullshit.

chuckR said...

If she has serious health issues, I wish her a speedy recovery.
If she is dodging some hard questions on Benghazi, I wish her a speedy exit from the national stage.
Either way, this is not a person who will answer the 3:00 AM phone call.

Pogo said...

NY Presbyterian?
Is David Gregory out front with breathless updates?
No?

Baron Zemo said...

Based on the Clinton's track record why would we believe her. They need to subpoena her and she needs to provide medical proof that she is not lying.

"Now, I have to go back to work on my State of the Union speech. And I worked on it until pretty late last night. But I want to say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again: I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to work for the American people. Thank you."

garage mahal said...

Is David Gregory out front with breathless updates?

Where is the conservative media? You'd think at least Fox would be investigating and interviewing people at the hospital? Unless, Obama got to them too?

Unknown said...

This doesn't sound particularly confusing or ominously, darkly, mysterious.

It sounds as if she's suffering from a Deep Vein Thrombosis (DVT), the formation of a blood clot in a deep vein, that is, one aside an artery, usually in the leg. This is routinely treated with anticoagulants, that is--blood thinners.

I understand that she has suffered from this before. Her spokesman has specifically clarified that the notion that the clot was located in the head (a subdural hematoma, not treated with anticoagulants), was assumed by a reporter on the basis of the concussion.

In fact, the clot was discovered as a result of an exam that occurs routinely in case of concussion, but was not stated to be located in the head.

Sorry folks.

Pogo said...

Garage:"Where is the conservative media?"

Good question. Nothing from Fox.

So why the blackout?

Aaron said...

Just a small comment on the aftermath of the Iraq invasion:

We have seen brutal civil wars in Syria and Libya, Lebanon etc.

What happened in Iraq of course had some part to do with the US invasion, but I am more and more wondering if Iraq would not have had the same level of violence as Syria is seeing now if Saddam had simply died in office and one of his kids attempted to take over. I think we were more the spark to the fuse rather than the barrel of gunpowder, and I am not sure any planning would have helped that.

Also, I would ask Democrats to recall their own excellent planning in Vietnam, Somalia, rescuing the hostages in Iran etc. and their other wise policies.

Pogo said...

"In fact, the clot was discovered as a result of an exam that occurs routinely in case of concussion..."

Routinely?

Where is that a routine exam following a concussion? Not where I work, or anywhere I know of.

Care to share the post-concussion protocol with us?

Audrey said...

It seems the right, like Chip, have congealed into a permanent state of hate, which will suffice, I guess, for debate.

Unless you were in a coma during the Bush presidency or Sarah Palin's VP run, only a complete and utter circle-jerk partisan could make a comment like that. (Also see the current oh-so-civil and level-headed lefty frothing over the NRA.)

Baron Zemo said...

We have to subpeona her and get her under oath.

The time for delay and bullshit is over.

Lying Liberals said they wanted a full investigation after the election. Well the election is over why are they not demanding answers?

Well that's a stupid question. We know why.

garage mahal said...

@Baron
Aren't you close to NY Presbyterian? Why are you commenting here when you could be getting us some real answers?

Chip S. said...

I agree w/ the libs here that we should back off of Hillary and simply send her our thoughts and prayers.

In that same spirit, Obama should release all WH documents relating to the events in Benghazi and the White House Command Center on that fateful night. Emails, orders from the Prez, etc.

That way Hillary could get proper rest.

Audrey said...

It seems the right, like Chip, have congealed into a permanent state of hate, which will suffice, I guess, for debate.

Unless you were in a coma during the Bush presidency or Sarah Palin's VP run, only a complete and utter circle-jerk partisan could make a comment like that. (Also see the current oh-so-civil and level-headed lefty frothing over the NRA.)

Suspecting the Clintons of being less than forthcoming with the truth is based on not being in a coma during the Clinton presidency.

SteveR said...

Yeah garage, just show up and start asking questions

creeley23 said...

Sometimes a one-liner is all that's needed. But keep on searching, creely, the truth is out there!

somefeller: Four Americans are dead. Including an ambassador. They were murdered by al-Qaeda terrorists on the anniversary of 9-11.

Those Americans asked for help, received none, and now they are dead.

The Obama administration was monitoring the situation, yet they gave no aid whatsoever, and since then we can't get a coherent answer from the administration for what happened.

These are not answers requiring search. Obama knows what happened. (Tell me otherwise.) Obama just doesn't want us to know, at least not yet.

But none of this matters to you and your stupid partisan friends, because Obama is your guy and that's all that matters.

If you and your stupid friends had anything substantive to say, you would, but you don't, so we just get all this stupid snark.

somefeller said...

But none of this matters to you and your stupid partisan friends, because Obama is your guy and that's all that matters. If you and your stupid friends had anything substantive to say, you would, but you don't, so we just get all this stupid snark.

Hey, you said stupid three times in two sentences. That must mean you're smart. And substantive

Chip S. said...

Or that you're really, really, really stupid.

I mean, just as a logical possibility, of course.

But to get back to the substantive issue, do you agree that Obama could take all the pressure off poor Hillary very easily by releasing all the emails, cables, presidential orders, etc., from the night of the Benghazi debacle?

Bruce Hayden said...

"In fact, the clot was discovered as a result of an exam that occurs routinely in case of concussion..."

Routinely?

Where is that a routine exam following a concussion? Not where I work, or anywhere I know of.


I suspect that if it is true, it is because some people are more equal than others, and a Clinton, 4th or so in line for the Presidency, is much more equal.

To me, not a medical professional, as I know all of you are, it makes some sense. My understanding is that she has had leg problems since her long-ago pregnancy, manifesting in those elephant legs that she works to hard to hide with her pants suits. That was maybe 30 years ago, and she is now in her mid 60s. It may be as simple as her attending physician asking if there were any other symptoms with the concussion, her mentioning something about her leg, and, with her being all that more equal, instead of dismissing it as irrelevant to the condition, checked up on it, and found a clot. Or, something like that.

somefeller said...

I think the serious people (national security personnel, administration officials, important Democratic or reasonable GOP Senators and Congressmen, etc.) should be allowed to do their work without being hassled by right-wing bloggers, radio hosts and the politicians who serve them.

Here's the thing, Chip. Conservatives have acted like children on this and many other issues for years. If you act like children, expect to be treated like children. And grownups don't need to drop everything to cater to and respond to questions from obnoxious children. It's a simple concept and these are serious matters.

Bruce Hayden said...

Obama knows what happened. (Tell me otherwise.) Obama just doesn't want us to know, at least not yet.

If he is as smart has his supporters think, then he will look to the examples of Nixon and his mentor, Slick Willy, and conclude that the cover up is most often much worse than the original problem, and get everything out in the open ASAP. Right now, he is riding high on his reelection, and could afford the embarrassment of being found out for sitting on the side lines watching as these Americans died working for him, and doing nothing. They were able to punt the scandal beyond the election, and now should come fully clean ASAP.

That said, I don't think that he is that smart. He has managed to bury Fast and Furious, as well as his school, immigration, and draft histories, and probably figures that the MSM will continue to cover for him indefinitely. We shall see.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

Jesus Christ somefeller, are you actively attempting to parody what a braindead partisan hack would say?

You don't want the "serious" and "important" democrats bothered by questions from "children" American citizens wanting to know what the fuck their government is doing.

Are you that far gone you don't realize what a douchebag you sound like? Fuck you and your serious people, you bootlicking sycophant.

Unknown said...

Sure.

It would be routine to examine a patient, particularly one who has a prior history of DVT, and has suffered a concussion, for the possibility of a clot.

Particularly in adult patients, there is a risk of clot following a concussion. You should contact your health care professional or emergency department right away if you have any of the following danger signs after a bump, blow, or jolt to the head or body:

Headache that gets worse and does not go away.
Weakness, numbness or decreased coordination.
Repeated vomiting or nausea.
Slurred speech.

Such an exam would not only be routine, but to neglect it in a patient with a prior history of DVT would probably be negligent.

Unknown said...

Also, you might keep in mind that she has now likely

-Been examined by internists, cardiologists, radiologists and surgeons;

-Has had MRI, lab tests (repeated), X-Rays, phlebotomy--all of which have produced results;

-Has been seen by multiple nurses, nurses aides, PA's and other medical professionals

-Has been prescribed a regimen of medications, including anticoagulants, which have been dispensed from the hospital formulary.

This would require a remarkable conspiracy of medical professionals--who, on the day before, did not know she was coming.

Chip S. said...

somefeller, I can't imagine any definition of "reasonable GOP Senators" that doesn't point to Graham and McCain as examples.

So what's the justification for stonewalling their requests for information?

The president can make all the relevant information known to them. The fact that people question his motives for not doing that does not make them juvenile.

somefeller said...

Chip, by and large, the people asking questions on this are conservatives and therefore, children who don't merit immediate response. This isn't an issue that is a hot one outside the usual permanently aggrieved suspects.

But I'd agree that McCain and Graham are somewhat reasonable and merit some response. At the appropriate time.

Chip S. said...

At the appropriate time.

What's inappropriate about right now?

Surely you can see why this looks like a classic stall.

Step 1: Put off answering questions before the election, b/c "we're still investigating".

Step 2: "Stop attacking a woman. Deal w/me, The President, if you've got a problem."

Step 3: OK, Mr. President. What about Benghazi?
"The FBI is on the case. The time is not appropriate for answering questions right now.

Step 4: That's old news. Why are you bringing it up now? We're focused on the current crisis in ____. Let's move on.

Hammond X Gritzkofe said...

I don't wish ill for anyone. If there are genuine medical problems, that extends to Hillary. But Ms. Clinton has proved herself an habitual liar, so I'm gonna call BULLSHIT here.

Paul said...

"medical setback"? She is hiding from the grilling she would get over the murder of our people in Bengazi. They sat and WATCHED as they died and did nothing. Who ordered the stand-down of our forces? Obama? Hillary? Who let them DIE. Who failed to give them security they PLEADED FOR?

So what's next? She will have medical problem after medical problem and hide till she hopes it blows over.

Typical Clinton.

somefeller said...

What's inappropriate about right now?

I don't know, but I'm sure the administration has its reasons, which probably have a lot more to do with national security than anything else. But I do know that the vast majority of people who are just asking questions at this time are people to whom nothing is owed. So they get nothing. I'll start worrying when more credible and serious people start pushing the issue.

Inga said...

Wonkette's take on Althouse's take

Not as strong a pushback from Wonkette as from the folks at my other linked article.

John said...

You're really a nasty old drunk, Althouse. I hope you never hear a carping chorus like the one you're leading when you inevitably collapse from liver disease.

Michael Haz said...

It's all a setup for claiming memory loss when HRC is finally called to testify. And most people are buying it, hook, line and sinker. There is NO report from a physician or a hospital confirming any illness or injury, yet people are accepting the story as 100% true.

You don't remember her past history, do you?

Shouting Thomas said...

Inga, you've really come up with a convincing rejoinder... Wonkette!

On top of everything else, Wonkette deliberately lies, claiming that Althouse said that she knew that Clinton was faking it.

You're a sucker for this kind of shit.

Shouting Thomas said...

Next step for Inga after she reads my comment...

Whining that she's been martyred by the conservative bullies!

SteveR said...

Hillary's done. Finished

Shouting Thomas said...

Hillary's done. Finished

Wouldn't bet on that.

Valentine Smith said...

Hill's lucky she only got a concussion when she fainted. With that immense body coming to an abrupt stop on the floor she could have easily snapped her neck when her head hit.

Don't be surprised when she testifies in a wheel chair wearing a neck brace cankles elevated shouting:

"sniper fire sniper fire, The NRA killed the Ambassador, I had nothing to do with it. Where's my fucking chapstick?"

wyo sis said...

Wonkette is upset?
Oh geeze, I guess we were all wrong all along then.

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Inga said...

Andrew Sullivan, The New Civil Rights Movement, (link above)The Raw Story also have stories on Althouse's Clinton blood clot post of today. There may be even more, see Memeorandum.

You don't need to read them. Even bad publicity is good if you're a blogger, no?

Shouting Thomas said...

Even bad publicity is good if you're a blogger, no?

It's called "disagreement," Inga.

You might want to acquaint yourself with the word.

I have the feeling Althouse can handle it... your chortling aside.

Inga said...

ST, I'm certain she can and will handle it and she certainly doesn't need you to speak for her. She does very well on her own.

Shouting Thomas said...

A predictable answer from you, Inga.

Do you ever cease playing the hectoring, shaming hag?

You know, you think of yourself as a liberal, but your temperament is as ill-liberal as anybody I've ever seen.

It's like with the gay boys. You love them in the abstract, but you would find what they actually do abhorrent. You're a prude.

Emily said...

To those on the left who insist on "being nice" and that "the right has congealed into a permanent state of hate," here are JUST two comments to an article on DU about GHW Bush going into the hospital:

"He served his country as one of history's greatest monsters? The murderer of hundreds of thousands of people? The Kingpin of Crack Cocaine? An architect of the Afghan involvement that spawned al-Qaeda? This country does not need "servants" like these.

I agree with you - I wouldn't wish Hitler well, and I don't wish George HW Bush well. He's still got his fingers in the pie, old or not, sick or not.

He may not be a crazy teabagger, but he's fucking evil."

garage mahal said...

Apparently, according to Hillary's doctors, the blood clot is "in the vein that is situated in the space between the brain and the skull". A right transverse sinus venous thrombosis.


Hahaha. Nice try, "doctors!"

Christopher said...

I've managed to find a rightwing, bottle blonde even more vicious and depraved than Ann Coulter or Monica Crowley.

Ann Althouse should change her name to Ann Outhouse. It's where the shit goes to die.

Pogo said...

"Hahaha. Nice try, "doctors!""

What does that even mean, garage?
Are you drunk already?

Well, it's 5 o'clock somewheres, I guess.



Inga said...

Garage, I doubt if they will believe even this new news.

Pogo said...

"Ann Althouse should change her name to Ann Outhouse"

Man, a regular Oscar Wilde.
When he was five, maybe.

Shouting Thomas said...

garage, you're such an intemperate, bitter partisan.

You aren't interested in anything but propaganda.

Remember all those indictments against Gov. Walker that you just knew were imminent?

Shouting Thomas said...

So, we're going to pretend, huh, that leftists are temperate in their remarks about Republicans?

Bullshit, Inga.

You are a sanctimonious, prudish old hag.

wyo sis said...
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Shouting Thomas said...

garage is not my idea of a reliable news source, either.

I'll be satisfied with Clinton's health status and willingness to testify when I see her taking the oath in front of a congressional committee.

Pogo said...

"Symptoms and signs of CVT can be grouped in three major syndromes:

■Isolated intracranial hypertension syndrome (headache with or without vomiting, papilledema, and visual problems)
■Focal syndrome (focal deficits, seizures, or both)
■Encephalopathy (multifocal signs, mental status changes, stupor, or coma)

■Cerebral venous thrombosis (CVT) is uncommon, with an overall incidence of <1/100,000 annually. The disorder is more common in neonates and children than in adults, and among young adults more common in women than men. The mean age of onset is 39 years old.

■In elderly CVT patients, the proportion of cases without identified risk factors is higher (37 percent) than it is in adults under age 65. The most common risk factors in those ≥65 years old are genetic or acquired thrombophilia, malignancy, and hematologic disorders such as polycythemia.
"

Inga said...

Make up your mind ST one day I'm " whore", the next I'm a "prude".

wyo sis said...

Inga, it's not just that we don't believe this latest news, it's that we've been taught not to believe anything the Clinton's say by the Clinton's themselves. The timing, the slow release of information, the contradictions, the whole shady context of it is typical of the Clinton machine. We've been carefully taught.

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