5:12 Central Time: Won't you hang out with me while we watch the results come in? Here's a helpful map, showing what times the polls close in the various states. Polls in parts of Indiana and Kentucky closed a quarter hour ago, but what will be rather thrilling is the top of the hour, 7 Eastern Time, when Florida (minus the part under Alabama) and Virginia close, and then half an hour after that Ohio and North Carolina. Perhaps things at that point will be so decisive we will more or less know. Drudge is saying "EXIT POLLS TIGHT," giving Romney NC and FL and Obama NH, PA, MI, and NV, and listing OH, VA, CO, and IA as toss ups. What? No Wisconsin? I'm thinking it will all be about Wisconsin. But I'm Wisconsincentric.
5:25: After all this time watching the election, I wonder what life will be like tomorrow. I hope it's not 2000-style craziness with recounts and litigation and accusations of fraud. Let it be decisive, and let's accept the results — is that a good centrist idea we can all sign onto?
5:50: I'm watching CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News, and hanging out at MSNBC for the last few minutes, I get the feeling they think the GOP will do well. Why? They're going at the topic of the way the GOP isn't likely to take the majority in the Senate. I'm just getting the feeling that they are moving into that place of refuge.
6:00: Nothing exciting at the top of the hour. Virginia not called. But that's not surprising. It was expected to be close.
6:30: Romney wins West Virginia, unsurprisingly. NC and Ohio are now closed, but they're not calling it, unsurprisingly. CNN reveals exit polls: 49/49 in NC and 51% Obama, 48% Romney in Ohio. Impressive for Obama... if the exit polls are right.
6:41: Boring! Maybe you should go for a run, have sex, or guzzle an Ardberg along with a chocolate bar and then come back in 20 minutes or an hour or so. Wouldn't that make more sense?
7:00: CNN projects Connecticut, Delaware, D.C., Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Maine (3 of the 4), and Rhode Island for Obama. Oklahoma for Romney. Many others not called.
7:27: On Fox News, Rove is on fire. Joe Trippi is stammering and looking worried. Good for Romney, right?
7:37: Watched ABC network for a while and there's a wild-eyed desperation that tells me they know Obama's in trouble.
8:00: CNN calls Kansas, Louisiana, Nebraska (3 of the 5), North Dakota, South Dakota, Texas, Wyoming, and Mississippi to Romney. Michigan, New York, and New Jersey for Obama. (There goes Michigan, which had been considered possible for Romney.)
8:02: They can't call Arizona, Colorado, Minnesota, New Mexico, and my home state Wisconsin.
8:04: 52% Obama, 46% Romney — CNN exit poll in Wisconsin. That looks bad for Romney.
10:04: Oh, I see I've been away for 2 hours. I couldn't take the stress. It's not as though you're reading this blog for news updates. What do you want from me? Gushings of emotion? I'm being mellow, distancing myself from the political fray, reconnecting to my old aversion to politics. The people will have what they have chosen, and I hope for the best, especially for the young people. Tomorrow there will be new things to talk about, I assume. The election is over, is it not? Obama will win, perhaps without the popular vote, like Bush. What will he do with it? Take us to a higher ground, at last? Or nothing at all.
November 6, 2012
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What strikes me most listening to Brian Williams on NBC on the ride home is how devoid their commentary is about the man of the hour, Barack Obama, and his agenda.
It's amazing that the man has twice been elected President with the most substanceless campaign in the nations history, Hopenchange. It speaks to the complete lack of intellectual integrity for those attacking Romney's plan as incomplete as if Obama had dony plan at all.
What a guy, lucky Michelle. What a great family man, why do you people hate him?
Sigh
I know it's hard for certain people to understand, but "we" (those who oppose his policies) don't hate him, we think he's a moron with disastrous ideas (such as they are) and policies.
And you have no idea what sort of man he is, just as none of us know what sort of "man" most public figures are. You're being manipulated by imagery, and it frightens some of us just how easy it is to manipulate humans this way.
Inequality and warming planet and admiration from around the world and the best military?
Laundry list.
Inga said...
"What a guy, lucky Michelle. What a great family man, why do you people hate him?"
No one said he's not a great family man. He's an incompetent president. We don't hate him. We hate what he's done to the country.
Has the chocolate gone to your head?
Wyo Sis, some of you folks are stuck on stupid when it comes to conspiracy theories, it helped you lose this election.
Pb&j wrote: "It's not insane to say that the guy is probably in the top 1%, by many measures. That's not so bad."
It's not insane. It's just pathetic, baseless idolatry.
LoafingOaf, it would help if prominent voices on the right were to distance themselves from Trump. Too many thought that he was somehow useful. What they didn't understand is that Trump is first and foremost in it for himself.
Who isn't?
Wyo Sis, some of you folks are stuck on stupid when it comes to conspiracy theories, it helped you lose this election.
Obama was born in Cuba and I have the cigars to prove it.
Here is a smartass comment for the Instapundit blog. "Obama wins, unexpectedly!"
How is it a conspiracy theory to say Obama's policies have caused soaring debt and a health care system that will bankrupt the country even further.
Facts are stubborn things. Even more stubborn than liberal de-Nile.
Aren't people w/o theories so much better Americans?
Wyo SIS, can you STFU for a few minutes and listen to our President?
Stupid is assuming winning the election will magically cause facts to change.
Oh, Inga take a little time out of your gloating to have a little compassion for the stupid.
"Wyo SIS, can you STFU for a few minutes and listen to our President?"
Why?
No, honest. Has he said something new or interesting?
Inga said...
What a guy, lucky Michelle. What a great family man, why do you people hate him?
tsk tsk. After you held your real beliefs back so long pretending to be reasonable you just go and let the nut out.
Wyo SIS, can you STFU for a few minutes and listen to our President?
Listen to Obama parade his cadre of straw men all over again.
What progress has he made? what security for the middle class? We're willing to work hard Barack, where are the fucking jobs?
The people I really feel sorry for tonight are the unemployed--especially the long-term unemployed.
I don't think the economy's going to get much better; IMO, this is the new normal under current policy. I'm grateful to have a job, and to think I can probably keep it. The LTUE are in a desperate situation.
I honestly don't care what he says in a speech. I care what he says the first time he meets with House Republicans about the budget.
We are greater than the sum of our ambitions.....
Great news.
Synova
I want to be you when I grow up.
I wouldn't even be listening to Romney if he won.
Inga
What does that mean exactly?
Obama hugs Biden, steers him away from the microphone.
Good move.
You know, it might be interesting to see how the media covers him now that his not running.
Or Am I whistling past the graveyard?
How is it a conspiracy theory to say Obama's policies have caused soaring debt and a health care system that will bankrupt the country even further.
Facts are stubborn things.
One of these things is so far from being a fact that it is an outright falsehood - even according to Paul Ryan.
But I am slowly coming to the conclusion that you are a "low-information" voter.
Palladian talks of taking issue with his policies. I'd like to discuss that. We've had lots of time over the past few years to get into the nitty gritty of what these policies will supposedly do or not do.
As with so many predictions regarding tonight's outcome, I look forward to debating how the reality will bear out or negate what you fear could be the worst possible case outcome regarding these policies.
Obama hugs Biden, steers him away from the microphone.
Good move.
He should have furtively pushed him off the stage.
Or Am I whistling past the graveyard?
You're whistling past the graveyard.
I bet Russia's looking forward to that new flexibility.
THere is one Bruce Springsteen song and one U2 song that needs to stop being played at these rallies. But they've got the approval and apparently figure that the message is right so what can one do?
We are greater than the sum of our ambitions.....
Obama could have said 'you can all go to hell' and they would have asked 'where do I sign'?
I bet Russia's looking forward to that new flexibility.
Stop being so paranoid. Think of or do happy things with that drinking time. If you don't, you could find yourself in a worse place than you want to be.
lol..
THere is one Bruce Springsteen song and one U2 song that needs to stop being played at these rallies.
In my opinion, all Bruce Springsteen and U2 songs need to stop being played, anywhere.
At least we have the old palladian back.
Stop being so paranoid. Think of or do happy things with that drinking time. If you don't, you could find yourself in a worse place than you want to be.
Are you kidding? You needn't tell a Scotsman how to drink.
In my opinion, all Bruce Springsteen and U2 songs need to stop being played, anywhere.
ANd I thought you were realizing the dangers of excessive snobbery...
Even Chris Christie... Awww forget it!
Let's face it. Althouse thought Obama wuld be trounced tonight and she was out of touch So she stormed off in a huff. It's been a tough week for Althouse. Even her hero Bob Dylan let her down by endorsing Obama. After she had just told us he never would do such a thing! Well, Althouse told us that if Obama won there'd be a big push to impeach him, that it would be like Nixon in Watergate. We shall see.
Love U2.
Springsteen's actually a pretty good poet. I heard speaking at WXPN and he has a talent for getting words to stream together in a very colorful and fluid way.
With or Without You.
Too bad I don't still have that red-headed, blue-eyed, fair-skinned bed buddy. I always thought how American her coloration pattern was....
Chip S.
The people I really feel sorry for tonight are the unemployed--especially the long-term unemployed.
I don't think the economy's going to get much better; IMO, this is the new normal under current policy. I'm grateful to have a job, and to think I can probably keep it. The LTUE are in a desperate situation.
***********
This LTUE person here (going on 4 years - BOTH my partner and I) really, really appreciates your comment. You have no idea. It is so rare to see that sentiment coming from the employed.
Its almost enough to overcome the "I'll probably NEVER work again" despair that has set in with this election result. I'll be 56 before a new president takes the reins. At what point is that final nail going to be hammered into my coffin? Was it today?
"she was out of touch "
Bill Maher's so called bubble seems to be real.
BTW, did the cons fuss about Nate Silver in 2010 when he saw the R tidal wave coming?
Get out of the bubble!
ANd I thought you were realizing the dangers of excessive snobbery...
Even Chris Christie... Awww forget it!
There's a difference between snobbery and discernment.
I've gone from Bach, to Purcell, to Eno, to Cluster, to Bob Dylan during tonight's debacle.
Any politician who rallied with that playlist would have my vote.
Has Ann updated the post at all?
Springsteen's actually a pretty good poet. I heard speaking at WXPN and he has a talent for getting words to stream together in a very colorful and fluid way.
I'll pass on Springsteen's colorful fluids if you don't mind.
I don't feel like going to sleep.
Good poets need metaphor.
Did anyone see this?
Chip S. said...
The people I really feel sorry for tonight are the unemployed--especially the long-term unemployed.
I don't see why. With Obama re-elected his executive order will allow the welfare bureaucrats to gut welfare anytime they want. Plus they've already set up disability as a welfare backup. Those people will likely never work again, but they'll be paid.
I feel worse for the people paying into SSI now who fund those on disability. By the time they retire the fund will be broke and the economy so moribund a recovery won't be possible. But that's exactly what you get when you kick the can down the road instead of addressing your probelms. Unfortunately the children just voted themselves the coffer and are going to argue with each other over buying the sports car or the beach house first.
I don't feel like going to sleep.
I never feel like going to sleep.
In my case it could be the coffee and cigarettes.
Much love, Palladian. Try to get some sleep if you can. I might do so myself.
Laters to all the non-haters (wherever they might exist).
;-)
Ok, switching to gin. Don't want to waste that beautiful scotch...
Much love, Palladian. Try to get some sleep if you can. I might do so myself.
I had a long nap after class, so I'm good for a while.
Nice to chat with you. To riff on Rumi, there's a field beyond politics and bullshit. I'm happy to have met you there.
@ALP, I really do hope that this can be turned around and you'll both get hired. I never wanted Obama to fail, I've just always felt that his policies would fail.
Will this close popular vote humble him enough to get him to consider the possibility of trying something different? Of listening to his critics?
Let's hope so.
O Ritmo Segundo said...
I bet Russia's looking forward to that new flexibility.
Stop being so paranoid.
Now it's paranoid to listen to Obama. Was Ritmo that character in Alice in Wonderland who changed the definition of words to whatever suited her?
I took a sleeping pill but so far it seems to have had no effect.
The people who take things have defeated the the people who make things.
It will get worse.
P.S. - Thanks a lot NJ Fatboy.
Good analysis by Jonathan Tobin over at Commentary:
The main obstacle to a Republican victory was that they were seeking to defeat the first African-American president aided by a supportive mainstream media, buttressed by the power of incumbency and what turned out to be a tremendously efficient campaign organization. Contrary to the delusion that Obama was a loser waiting to be knocked off, beating him was always going to be a long shot. Though the GOP will spend much of the coming weeks, months and years beating each other up as they assign blame for the defeat, the fact is, Romney did well to come as close as he did. Rather than wonder about what Republicans could have done better, conservative analysts would do better to look at the president’s strengths.
Most conservatives were prepared to acknowledge that the majority of Americans were still pleased with the idea of righting some historic wrongs by electing an African-American in 2008. But they failed to understand that even though Obama’s administration was not widely viewed as a great success, at least half of the country was not prepared to toss him out of office after only one term.
As an incumbent, Obama was able to claim credit for things for which he did not deserve many plaudits, like the killing of Osama bin Laden or even the response to the hurricane in the last days before the election. He also could count on the unfailing support of much of the media even when he was embarrassed by events, such as in Libya.
These were strengths that many Republicans continually discounted or disregarded entirely.
I think Tobin vastly underplays the media’s role, but otherwise seems about right to me. And probably means Obama will not be held any more unaccountable during his second term than he was during his first and also that Benghazi will probably be no big deal.
Col Mustard said...
The people who take things have defeated the the people who make things.
I hope Tocqueville's laughing his ass off. I'll probably be dead before we bottom out, but my kids and their kids won't be.
P.S. - Thanks a lot NJ Fatboy.
I never understood why Republicans thought Christie was some sort of godsend to the party. He's always seemed to me like an emotionally unbalanced blowhard. With an enormously fat ass.
Lem
Me too.
I think I'll read something light and frivolous.
Hating is exhausting work.
Zach must be stroked about Prop B in LA...the porn industry took it on the chin tonight, requiring actors to wear condoms. The SF industry will be the new "face" of the industry I guess.
These were strengths that many Republicans continually discounted or disregarded entirely.
The rest seems accurate to some degree, but not this. The Republicans didn't ingore it, they just don't have an effective response.
And probably means Obama will not be held any more unaccountable during his second term than he was during his first and also that Benghazi will probably be no big deal.
Winning inoculates him... in their minds.
"These were strengths that many Republicans continually discounted or disregarded entirely."
The things listed as "strengths" in that are, he's black, the media likes him, and he was the incumbent?
No one discounted those things.
What were they supposed to do? Make him not black? Transform the entrenched media? Make him not the incumbent?
Palladian said...
Ok, switching to gin. Don't want to waste that beautiful scotch...
I haven't forgotten my promise to send you a bottle of Wisconsin's Death's Door gin.
One minor point of good news; the California tax propositions have both failed; one marginally, the other profoundly. We're retaining the death penalty, but loosening our Three Strikes law. The Golden State has retreated, perhaps a half-step, from the abyss. We'll still go over and collapse, but at least we aren't charging full speed over the cliff. With all the BAD news, we have to settle for what crumbs we can get.
Obama must be impeached, and soon, over Benghazi, over the illegal fund raising, and about the pervasiveness of the voter fraud.
Are you Romney peeps holding up okay out there? Look at the bright side: You no longer have to pretend Mormonism isn't nutty!
The only effective Republican response I can think of to the staggering MSM bias is for the Kochs to buy CBS.
One minor point of good news; the California tax propositions have both failed; one marginally, the other profoundly. We're retaining the death penalty, but loosening our Three Strikes law. The Golden State has retreated, perhaps a half-step, from the abyss. We'll still go over and collapse, but at least we aren't charging full speed over the cliff. With all the BAD news, we have to settle for what crumbs we can get.
Obama must be impeached, and soon, over Benghazi, over the illegal fund raising, and about the pervasiveness of the voter fraud.
Zach must be stroked about Prop B in LA...the porn industry took it on the chin tonight, requiring actors to wear condoms. The SF industry will be the new "face" of the industry I guess.
I know, right? Zachary Paul Sire's bread and butter depends on promoting dangerous, unsafe sexual practices, negating the life-saving scientific information that activists fought (and died) to promote in the late 80s and early 90s.
But hey, anything for a fuck...er... buck.
Palladian re. Obama hugging Obama to keep him away from the mic: He should have furtively pushed him off the stage.
Biden still has a role to play: impeachment insurance.
No one discounted those things.
No, they didn't discount them, but perhaps thought they were more easily overcome than they really were -- especially the historic nature of being the first black president.
And perhaps this led to some undue optimism, which led to this great, hurtful letdown for us tonight.
Biden still has a role to play: impeachment insurance.
One of the few brilliant decisions by the President.
The only effective Republican response I can think of to the staggering MSM bias is for the Kochs to buy CBS.
Yes!
the historic nature of being the first black president
It seems to unfair that he gets to be historic on two counts: the first black president elected and the worst president reelected.
The only effective Republican response I can think of to the staggering MSM bias is for the Kochs to buy CBS.
I've hearing that for years and years..
CBS is owned by some huge corporation now.
In regards to the hissy fit that Karl Rove supposedly threw, he was right to throw. Do democrats not remember how Gore had to retract his concession because the media called a state too early?
He was saying, based on the math he was seeing at the time that it was too early to call. (It turns out the people who made the call had even more up to date numbers than rove was working with).
Don't you wish that maybe someone had done that for Al Gore before he embarrassed himself . That might have cost him the election.
Look at the bright side: You no longer have to pretend Mormonism isn't nutty!
Watch it, bitch. My great-great-great grandfather Milo rushed to Carthage jail in 1844 to see the blood of Prophet Joseph and his brother Hyrum that had been spilled on the floors.
Religions are nutty. Life is nutty.
I haven't forgotten my promise to send you a bottle of Wisconsin's Death's Door gin.
i know you haven't forgotten, and I appreciate it, my friend.
Face it people...
Whatever vote Obama didn't buy.. like the latino vote, he scared them witless.. women and the rest of the minority coalition.
"It's been a tough week for Althouse."
Smitten w/mittens heartthrob Willard lost. Her boy Ryan will not be v-p and probably go the way of mama grizzly ie a cable news/tv show awaits. Her other lover boy Scott Brown lost.
but, but, but her cutie pie, Scott Walker, wasn't impeached lol.
Althouse ad nauseam sarcasm/smugness the next (4) years will seem even more shallow than normal, if possible.
Indeed, politics come down to winners and losers and "her boys" had a bad night!
blessings
Her boy Ryan will not be v-p and probably go the way of mama grizzly ie a cable news/tv show awaits.
No. He was reelected to House to live for another fight.
blessings. Take care.
I know he was re-elected in WI, but there has been much discussion, that he will step down soon to pursue other interests ie lobbyist, celebrity like palin.
After you run for v-p and defeated, runnin' for higher office in WI is far less appealing.
I'm sure Althouse will keep a close watch regardless. :-P
Hopefully Althouse has kicked her mama grizzly fetish ...
As Disraeli said "The pendulum swings".
Ryan's still chair of the House budget committee. He's not going anywhere. Nancy Pelosi is finished. The house Dems will throw her out of leadership and put one of the few remaining moderate house Dems in charge.
LOLS! Alan Grayson won his seat back from Alan West! The war of the Alans has been decided!
OK back to bed.
Sorry to spoil your fun, Ritmo, but those were two different districts.
West was moved into a newly created district that was considered a swing district since its creation.
Too bad the 1492 comment total had to be ruined.
Alpha--Omega, beginnings and endings.
I've got a sadder story than that about comment totals.
You placed an order for Romney Inaugural plates based on a multiple of today's comment totals?
OK, now it doesn't seem nearly as sad.
Near the beginning of some old Palin thread, I proposed an over/under for the total number of comments. The thread died a day later at exactly that number, but of course if I pointed that out in a comment I'd ruin the outcome.
It's probably since been spoiled by that new Iraqi commenter.
"Cool. Though I still want to state that I dislike him intensely, I think he's an easily manipulated machine politician with troubling ties to very unsavory characters, I dislike how repulsively the media has behaved throughout this election, I am frightened by his cult of personality and the naivety of his supporters and I think he and his repugnant party will do extensive damage to the country and the economy.
Palladian, 11/4/08 7:30 PM
The 2008 Election thread: 805 comments.
This thread: 1499 comments.
Make that 1500, bitches!
I ♥ Mitt Romney.
Althouse, November 8th, 2008
Do we all agree to stop at 1776?
1984?
The people I really feel sorry for tonight are the unemployed--especially the long-term unemployed.
Well, our fellow Americans want us to be unemployed, or they wouldn't have voted for more of the same shit that hasn't worked for the last four years. It's good to know exactly how hated one is by the entire fucking nation.
1861? 1929?
Well, our fellow Americans want us to be unemployed, or they wouldn't have voted for more of the same shit that hasn't worked for the last four years. It's good to know exactly how hated one is by the entire fucking nation.
Sorry, dude, but .... Beyonce! JayZ! Eva Longoria! George Clooney! Bruce Springsteen!
Sorry about your unemployment thing but celebrities!
Just got back in.
Wow.
What a night.
Every single bit of conventional wisdom (right track/wrong track, unemployment, enthusiasm etc) thrown right over the side.
Although, with some negative effects, primarily a reelected incumbent with fewer EV's and less popular vote % than his first election (that's a first) and will probably impact quite a bit of how the parties maneuver for the next session.
Exhausted and hitting the rack. Still have to be up tomorrow morning for one of my large clients.
For what it's worth, as a portent of what we can expect from "job creators" under a second obama administration, I'll share this with you.
One of my clients is a smallish electronics firm. They employ about 62 full time employees (I think that's the number.)
This company is engaged in a relatively new business model and it's very competitive and quite difficult (at this time) to achieve margins greater than 4 to 8%
With expansion (which was definitely on the table prior to this election) the org was looking at bringing on another 10 to 15 employees over the next year and investing several million in new equipment and facilities.
With obama's reelection and the looming inevitability of the full implementation of obamacare as well as some other fed regs, a significant number of those employees will be given pink slips prior to Jan1.
Sorry about your unemployment thing but celebrities!
Yeah, that's very comforting to me.
a significant number of those employees will be given pink slips prior to Jan1.
Who cares! HOPE! CHANGE! FORWARD! MANDATE!
Yeah, that's very comforting to me.
I'm in a similar boat but, hey, America has spoken! Mandate! Celebrities! Forward!
Who cares if you and I and thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions like us are sacrificed?! Europe is happy! Russia is happy! Iran is happy! Hipsters are happy! Nancy Pelosi is happy!
FORWARD!
HONEY BOO BOO IS HAPPY!
HONEY BOO BOO IS HAPPY!
And why not? I heard that she's in line for a limited edition rhinestone-encrusted Obamaphone.
I'm ashamed to live in a country so full of people who simply refuse to vote for the most qualified candidate solely b/c of the color of his skin.
Because he's white?!
And I already see people coming to the conclusion Romney lost due to insufficient conservatism and because Obama was able to rally his base more effectively.
Oh, partisanship. I thought we already knew you as well as we would ever.
And now, sadly, the nightmare of seeing our country being systematically destroyed from within continues...
Popular vote was a dead heat as advertised. Electoral college was a landslide. States have the option of casting their votes on a proportional basis. Eliminating winner take all apportionment would produce a result more reflective of the popular vote.
I see Obama is still lying, this time about bringing the country together.
What has he done in four years to suggest he has any intention, and his supporters remain obnoxious.
So, what's up? Anything new?
Obama must be impeached
Obama will never be impeached. Not with 10 watergates and 50 bengazi's.
This is a hard loss. Apparently people really do believe that years of no budgets, leaving ambassadors to die and general insanity in the middle east, and the utter lack of economic activity are just dandy or alternately still Bush's fault. So we're stuck.
I think Romney was a good candidate who should have been president. God bless him for trying.
I mean, people at work actually said that the crappy economy is still all Bush's fault. What are they going to say in 8 years?
Let the gloating begin!
Now you'll excuse me I gotta find someplace to shelter my 401K.
I weep for my country.
LoafingOaf said...
Are you Romney peeps holding up okay out there? Look at the bright side: You no longer have to pretend Mormonism isn't nutty!
That's a touching concern LoafingOaf, thank you. Can I also stop pretending sixteen trillion dollars national debt with a conservative projected twenty trillion dollars national debt isn't nutty? Huh? Was it about Mormonism LoafingOaf?
I think I'm beginning to see now. This must be a plan or something. It must have have been. Given twenty trillion dollars national debt, and everybody thinking that's a good idea, the plan must have been to tax the living fuck out every living thing forever! But I can quit pretending Mormonism isn't nutty.
Ho hum...why the sturm und drang?
So Obama was re-elected. So the policies of the military/financial complex will continue; so the 1% will continue to be served, while the rest of us are left to huddle shelterless in the storm; so the American Empire will continue its policies, remorseless at home as abroad.
So it would exactly have been if Romney had won. We'll continue to get under Obama exactly what we would have got under Romney. If anyone think any different they're as self-deluded as Obama'a partisans (and opponents) who see him as some sort of progressive or servant of anyone other than the wealthy elites.
The difference is in the aesthetics, the show, the rhetoric, the segment of the public being pandered to. That is all.
Oh shut up Robert, you and your goddamn 1%. You've got 1%itis. You've got a problem with people having more money than you. Stop displaying your envy, you dick. Money envy dick.
Twenty trillion dollars national debit is what you voted for, Robert, focus!
That and taxing the living fuck out of everything forever, and that's not hyperbole. Twenty trillion dollars cannot be hyperbole. Focus, Robert, that's what you voted for.
The republic is over. The people have decided to vote themselves the country'e treasure.
There's no coming back from this one.
It was one hell of a ride.
Now I've go to look for a job in the public sector.
I voted for Romney, largely on econoic grounds. Republicans should heed the advise of men like Rove and Bush and blunt some of these issue. Ixnay on mass deportations. Don't let men tell rape victims about their moral obligations to their rapists' child. The Demmocrats are pretty stupid on economic issues, but the Republicans have their areas of denseness.....And Hillary is gearing up for 2016.
The collieries in PA supposedly went for Choom.
Either people like that across the country decided to commit economic suicide or the vaunted "ground game" was the intimidation and vote fraud we saw writ large.
These people are from Chicago, after all.
Shanna said...
This is a hard loss. Apparently people really do believe that years of no budgets, leaving ambassadors to die and general insanity in the middle east, and the utter lack of economic activity are just dandy or alternately still Bush's fault.
The product of 40 years of dumbing down education in this country.
Peter Hoh said...
Biden still has a role to play: impeachment insurance.
It depends.
How bad can things get?
PS The trolls gloating all the place think they have seats in the gated compound when we go over the fiscal cliff.
They're going to be awfully surprised when they find the only seats they have are the ones beside us on the cattle cars to Dachau-On-the-Brazos when the death panels tell us our time has come.
Last night showed that independent voters are useless and campaigns are well advised to ignore then, gin up their base, and relentlessly attack your opponent.
Chip Ahoy is upset.
Jackasses who voted for twenty trillion dollars in national debt says whaaaaaaaat? I can't hear yoooooou. You're too far awaaaaaaaaaaay.
One thing I am very glad of though, is that Obama will certainly get to name one, maybe two. Perhaps even three Supreme Court Justices. That's a very good thing.
I'm ashamed to live in a country so full of people who simply refuse to vote for the most qualified candidate solely b/c of the color of his skin.
The new Republican race card.
Not willing to wade thru 1.5K comments--I went to bed early last nite when it was clear that VA FL and OH had stalled out for Mr Romney.
I think the D's ground game did it for them--I think many of the pollsters, while doing OK on the total vote, totally screwed up their state analyses.
Kudos to the Dems; lots of crow to be eaten by R's. I do respect the will of the people, so lets get on with fixing things.
Chipster, if you think I voted for Obama, you are seriously mistaken.
I deplore Obama no less than I do Romney.
I voted for Jill Stein.
I've made a killing off my "Impeach Obama" tshirts just this morning.
Five lessons to take away.
1. I've been wrong. Moderation and compromise are not electoral virtues. Noted and I'll keep my RINO-ish tendencies in check to prevent party infighting. Why do I say this? It appears (last I checked) that Obama -lost- a huge number of his 2008 votes, but Romney -also- lost a huge set of McCain voters. That's why we thought numbers were wonky. We knew Obama was losing a bunch of votes, but we were not counting on so many defections to Gary Johnson and lack of turn out for Romney. Conservative candidates can win, provided they don't say stupid things about rape. On the other hand, we also learned that abandoning your electoral loads does not help you. Akin and Mourdock soured their races, and may have cost us additional seats/enthusiasm. Look at Warren as a counter-example. The lesson from this election is that McCain was wrong; party before country is the winning electoral strategy, and it was foolish of us to even consider holding our own people accountable.
2. Negative campaigning works. Romney never really recovered with voters after the initial character assassination. No amount of earned, won or bought media makes up for the power of incumbency. We need better systems to check the media; Breitbart, Limbaugh, FOX News and blogs are not enough. Just like after McCain's loss, elections will become nastier and meaner in the future. Obama got away with calling Romney a murderous tax-evading felon who hated dogs; just imagine what'll happen to the first minority at the top of a Republican ticket with that precedent set.
3. Ideas are dangerous. If you have to run on an idea, run on as fluffy, value-less ideas as possible. Putting out ideas means you can lose votes; you will never gain votes for having a good idea. Expect more fluffy unicorn campaigns from both sides in the future. Ryan had big ideas; Romney had some ideas. Obama ran strictly as far away from ideas as possible, even clinging to Geinther's "We don't have any ideas, but we know we don't like yours" line of argument. Campaigns will become even more tribal and even less about ideas.
4. Debates still don't matter. An outgrowth of #3. Winning the debates didn't help Romney nearly as much as we thought it would. In fact, utterly demolishing his opponent didn't matter. Even though millions tune in, they either don't pay attention, or it is like a football game. You tune in to see how badly your team wins or loses.
5. Base turn out matters more than persuading moderates. I think there aren't nearly as many undecided voters as everyone else seems to think there are. Either way, they don't matter. If you can get your turn out high enough (or depress the other side's turn out, or trust them to depress their own by having their candidates say stupid things about rape), you can lose all the moderates that come out.
1. I've been wrong. Moderation and compromise are not electoral virtues.
You see, right away you're wrong.
But I'll try to wade through the rest of it.
Phx: The country has -twice- voted against known moderates who worked well with the other side and compromised often to get things done. Instead, the country picked Obama, who has no real bipartisan kudos and routinely kills bipartisan deals by suggesting and promoting stupid ideas like the sequestration. I'm perfectly right: The appearance of moderateness and compromise is useful, but actual compromise hurts you by depressing your base.
Kudos to the Dems; lots of crow to be eaten by R's. I do respect the will of the people, so lets get on with fixing things.
You don't understand. There is no 'fixing things' The people have voted the keys to the public purse. The fix is more taxes and more inflation. You are watching the celebration of progressive mediocrity. They are now the permanent majority and when they don't get what they want it will get messy.
Here's a prediction I can make in complete confidence. More and more medium to small business will move out of country. Not overseas, but across the boarder into Mexico and Canada. Hard to believe, but now, as of Jan.1, Mexico is more business friendly than the US. The GDP of Haiti is going to rise. More of this country's rich and super rich will send their money overseas.
Matthew I know you think so. Reminding you of the extremely negative tone the Republican congress and base set from just about day one of the Obama administration won't do any good. But that carried over to Romney - who really did deserve better. It's not on Dems though - or if it is it's just as much on the extremists in the GOP. But you'll deny it.
But I kind of read through your post and I offer this advice: lose the self-pity. It doesn't become a warrior for your side. I think you're better. Smart guys like you need to rebuild on something better than "We tried being Mr. Nice Guy! Now let's really get 'em!"
But that's just my opinion.
Eh, I've been saying the same thing since the Clinton impeachment. America is becoming noticeably more tribal and moderates in both parties keep getting pushed out (the last big massacre was among the Blue Dogs in 2010.) I think this is a natural outgrowth of the Internet and the nationalization of nearly every election possible. I'd prefer we didn't nationalize so many elections, but that's not how things are going.
Kudos to the Dems; lots of crow to be eaten by R's. I do respect the will of the people, so lets get on with fixing things.
You don't understand. There is no 'fixing things' The people have voted the keys to the public purse. The fix is more taxes and more inflation. You are watching the celebration of progressive mediocrity. They are now the permanent majority and when they don't get what they want it will get messy.
Here's a prediction I can make in complete confidence. More and more medium to small business will move out of country. Not overseas, but across the boarder into Mexico and Canada. Hard to believe, but now, as of Jan.1, Mexico is more business friendly than the US. The GDP of Haiti is going to rise. More of this country's rich and super rich will send their money overseas.
Kudos to the Dems; lots of crow to be eaten by R's. I do respect the will of the people, so lets get on with fixing things.
That to me is a worthy message from a worthy opponent.
The hardest thing in the world is to look inside and see what's wrong with you and your team. And I'm not addressing that only to Repubs, Dems have to seriously do that, too. That's the first step if we're going to avoid collapse, IMHO.
It's something I think we have to do as a people, however corny that sounds. It's the sine qua non for a recovery.
I think Colorado got it right. We have decided to be a nation of stoners living in our parents basement. Might as well make weed legal.
Warrior's are at peace with the world they are in - they're even at peace with the people they have to defeat or who will defeat them.
The real war is with themselves, and they know it.
Anyway that's how I see the world that I live in, and it applies to presidential politics as well as it does to everything under the sun.
brb, business decisions to make.
Lord, why did you put me on this retarded planet? ... and so I'd know what you put up with isn't a good answer.
puff puff puff
In Colorado we can buy pot now whenever we want.
puff puff
I thought hey that's una idea muy buena y me gusta mucho, adelante! So off I went, around the puff block puff actually
puff puff
so there's that.
Rusty--I respectively disagree--the house is controlled by R's and they control money bills. While I agree with you that individuals, if they are rational, will protect their assets by moving them offshore, you are on target.
The larger issue, it seems to me, that absent some willingness to compromise on major issues (eg, fracking and energy independence) we will, as a polity remain like apes on a treadmill. Expending large quantities of energy for little return.
I am optimistic enough to think the American polity can make this happen--but I am also cautious enough to harbor some major misgivings.
Oh this bitter cup that Chip, Jesus, and all the wingers must have to drink from.
Here's a good graph of our fiscal cliff.
From Goldman Sachs.
Rusty--please assume I can spell respectfully rather than respectively :)
This result is terrible for the poor.
This result is terrible for the poor.
Nobody really knows, do they?
So is this the end of America as a Republic? Demographics make me think there may be no going back.
Not only will there be fewer jobs, but the people in the middle and upper classes who fund charity programs won't have as much money to fund them.
I have to agree with Rusty. "I do respect the will of the people, so lets get on with fixing things."
Yes, respect the will of the people (what was it, near 50-50?) but there is an assumption in the second part of that. It's the assumption that on the one hand was the contest and on the other hand is "fixing things" and that the contest had nothing to do with fixing things. It was just our guy against your guy and we can cheer in the stands about how our guy is the best and your guy couldn't tell his skates from his hockey stick and then afterwards we can all go for a beer and pizza and then go do that *other* thing that has nothing to do with the first, thank god, finally, because it's over.
It assumes that "fixing things" is not a disputed process. Anything will work just so long as something is done? And besides, there isn't any real disagreement about what should be done, anyway?
Are our disagreements over because the presidential contest is over? Only if you think, if you *know*, that all disagreements were always a lie anyway and it was just a contest between our school and our arch rivals.
Nobody really knows, do they?
Only in the same way that you don't really know that raindrops will happen to fall on you when you go outside in the pouring rain.
The capacity of the human mind for swallowing nonsense and spewing it forth in violent and repressive action has never yet been plumbed.
Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.
This is known as “bad luck.”
— Robert Heilein
The 20th century wrote how we will end because it is History.
It's time to revisit Wretchard's 3 conjectures.
"Rusty--I [respectfully] disagree--the house is controlled by R's and they control money bills."
This is no different than the last two years.
The last two years the Republican House passed the money bills they were required to pass and did their job in that regard and the Democrats in the Senate and the President didn't like that so they stonewalled and then told everyone that it wasn't them, it was the icky Republicans blocking everything they tried to do.
And people believed that.
So what has changed? The House will still pass budgets and keep their commitments and we still won't *have* budgets and it will magically not be the fault of Democrats.
Let's see.
Oh yeah.
Doomed.
DEAD COUNTRY WALKING.
The demographics tell us that the country will never be more conservative than it is right now. We will continue to get darker, dumber, and more enthralled with big gov't.
Last night was a turning point, a vote by the American public to become Greece.
I am ashamed of what my generation has done to this once great nation.
Obama won the popular vote by roughly 3 million voters. Landslide in electoral.
Not 50/50
Price charts for silver and gold.
What's notable to me about those charts is that people are fleeing to gold and silver even though we haven't had bad inflation. It's risen because of fear of inflation. and our debt load, and the rise in asset prices. Here is a Forbes guy who thinks inflation isn't a problem over the next couple of years. The fed has been flooding the market with money (QE 1 and 2 and now 3) but nobody is borrowing money so the banks are sitting on it. We can expect to see a rise in asset prices across the board, I think. Basic things like oil and food will continue to get more expensive. Indeed, Obama wants energy to be more expensive so we will use less of it. He will continue to regulate oil/gas/coal to make all of those things more expensive. Rise in energy prices will cause inflation in everything else.
If we go over "financial cliff," taxes go up, automatic spending cuts take effect. That could be a brutal shock on the market as it will be apparent that we are heading into another recession. Another fight over the debt ceiling takes place in February. If the two sides reach any sort of bipartisan consensus, it's good in the short term but bad in the long term. The "consensus" has been to add more debt, so if they reach a consensus that is what they will do. They won't raise taxes, they won't cut spending, and we'll borrow (or print) more money. I expect Obama to add another $4-6 trillion in debt over the next four years, taking us to $20-22 trillion.
Here's a chart showing our debt relative to gdp. We are not as high as we were in World War II. But of course that was a one-time debt. And at the end of WWII, the manufacturing base in Europe and Asia was destroyed. So we had massive growth after WWII and we were able to pay our debts. Our current debt is peacetime debt, socialist debt, Medicare and Social Security debt. Our debt has gone from 50% of gdp in Obama's first year to 100% of gdp.
We can expect our debt to continue to increase relative to gdp. Obamacare hasn't really started yet, but there will be major shocks to our healthcare system and to the public as a whole. I expect a lot of people to lose their health insurance over the next few years. Companies will stop providing health insurance because it's gotten too expensive. Again, this is part of Obama's plan. Raise the price of health insurance, destroy private health insurance. In both energy and health care Obama is intentionally raising prices.
On the bullish side, as Europe implodes from Greece, Spain, Ireland etc., that money may flee into dollars, stocks, or gold and silver.
I think people should stay invested in stocks, but think more about commodity investing. Oil stocks, food stocks, mining stocks. You want to raise cash. And you should have some money invested in precious metals, which is the ultimate hedge against bad economies. I prefer silver to gold.
Obama promised that everyone could keep their health care if they liked it. Over and over and over he promised that.
Nothing has changed.
He either lied on purpose or he was too stupid to realize how the real world works.
I don't see any other choices.
Like it or not, the GOP is going to have to realize that it's going to have to shift its position on certain social issues. If they don't, they are at serious risk of losing the young generation for years to come.
I grew up in a town that was heavily Republican, and I have a lot of friends who simply chose not to vote yesterday, because they couldn't vote for a party that was against abortion or, more importantly, gay marriage.
You can con enough Americans but you can't con reality.
The democratic "fixes" will make things worse. Even if the GOP House allows "tax the rich", it will turn the economy south, and not do a thing about the debt.
Obamacare is still looming, and will be a mess.
Inflation will be ramping up...and yes Freeman that will hurt the poor most. No way entitlements will keep up. The middle class is going to start really hurting soon.
All we have done is take out a third mortgage to kick the financial can down the road.
But now this is Obama's. Mid-terms will be another DNC disaster. And by 2016 we may....may...be ready for reality.
Or we are truly permanently fucked.
It's also important to note that, in Florida, voters overwhelming voted against an amendment banning public funds for abortion, as well as limiting Obamacare.
Say what you want, but it's pretty clear that the GOP is in trouble.
Roger J. said...
Rusty--I respectively disagree--the house is controlled by R's and they control money bills. While I agree with you that individuals, if they are rational, will protect their assets by moving them offshore, you are on target.
Unless something can be done to ameliorate the ACA and other new tax increases and the rule by fiat of the White House, then business and investments will begin to flow overseas. It is inevitable.
Now I have to join X and look for safer country's in which to invest my portfolio. Such as it is.
I might hedge the Canadian Dollar.
Damn, twenty trillion dollars in debt, I wonder how my brother's and sister's kids are going to pay that. And their kids. At least that far innit. I don't know. Taxed to living fuck I guess, I'll leave this world to other peoples' kids taxed to fuck and born deep in debt. That makes me so sad. They'll have federally assured healthcare spread out evened out lowest common denominator type healthcare, so suitable healthcare, so there there's that. And gay marriage and pot so that too. Those kids and their kids and beyond should be okay taxed all to living fuck inside and out.
Really Bill?
I call bull shit. Moving on the social issues will do no good whatsoever because all it will take is one Congressional candidate who says something stupid and even without that Democrats will define Republicans any way they want to do so.
Consider these two statements...
"I voted for Obama because I like gay people."
"I voted for gay people to have jobs."
Who actually likes gay people and who is taking an opportunity for social preening about how they are a good person?
Tell your many friends that I voted for them to have jobs and they voted for my lady parts. Bless their morally preening little hearts.
phx said...
Oh this bitter cup that Chip, Jesus, and all the wingers must have to drink from
No. I just have to work harder to limit my losses. More side work will be cash only.
I'm nothing if not resourceful.
The kids I go to school with won't have jobs but they'll be able to get tax funded abortions so at least if they end up with families they can't support it's their own damn fault.
Synova--you can bitch and whine all you want, and everyone on here can continue to be a punch of pessimistic pricks, but when your party is adamantly against equality and civil rights, it's not going to look good to a younger generation that cares quite a bit about that issue.
I don't think Romney's plan, which was nearly-identical to McCain's, would've made much difference. He couldn't pinpoint a single area he'd make cuts in any of the debates.
Stop being a sore loser. You lost. Take your lumps.
And again, I would like to thank Althouse for being consistently wrong on EVERY single thing about this election. Whatever today's first post is, it'll probably have an aura of "I didn't REALLY care" to it.
Phx wrote:
This result is terrible for the poor.
Nobody really knows, do they?
actually we do. The last four years haven't been great for the poor, have they. Or are you saying 8% unemployment and 2% growth are poverty friendly.
But whatever... at least the economy is *stable* right... it just stays where it is and has some slow growth someplace or other so we can be told it's getting better, just not for us. The economy is "recovering" but just not for people.
From what I'm seeing: People were right. Obama would lose a significant chunk of his votes from 2008. What no one expected: The high enthusiasm for Romney would not turn into high vote turnouts.
"So is this the end of America as a Republic?"
Yes.Maybe not today..but certainly tomorrow.
I wasn't voting for Romney because he was on my "team", I voted for him because he was the guy trying to pull this leviathan from the precipice.
Will physicians retire by the thousands now because they refuse to work for the pittance that Obamacare offers?...yes
Will the rich investors, small business owners, and entrepreneurs just say fuck it?,,,yes
Will our national defense shrink along with our economy, and will our enemies take note?...yes
Will our entitlement programs burst under their own weight...yes
Will the United States cease to exist as we know it within 1 generation...yes
Are there more people in the wagon than pulling it?...after last night...I have to say yes.
Yes. I'm comfortable now. I worked through it. I haven't that long to live I don't think, that's why I was concerned about the twenty trillion dollar debt thing, rational indications are my lifespan to be on the short side no matter what I do from here, I've just accept that, so to have such benefit from such fine government and leave it behind so deeply in debt was heart breaking but now less so. Other peoples kids' kids being taxed to living fuck for lameass healthcare isn't so bad especially since they'll be born in world that never knew different. They'll be thinking, gee, wee got healthcare! My favorite part of this vision is wide open borders and I mean WIDE open borders, that is no borders anywhere at all universal healthcare back and forth all over the place supported by taxed to fuck all overt the place through and through because in twentytrilliondollarsindebtland money has no meaning at all. So now I fell so much better, I can relax.
"...but when your party is adamantly against equality and civil rights, it's not going to look good to a younger generation that cares quite a bit about that issue."
Bull shit, Bill.
That's a lie told by the Dems to define Republicans and pull on emotions. No one is against equality. No one is against civil rights. Killing babies? Yeah, some people are against killing babies.
That "young generation" is out of work. You should care about that, but you don't.
I care about that. But you don't.
Your sanctimonious friends don't care that there isn't work. That 8% that is the new normal unemployment? That's for adults, mostly white adults. Rates for blacks are through the roof. Rates for young people are obscene.
Show how much you care and feel and think the right way about those people and who needs to eat, right? Who needs to get all into materialism and consumerism and move away from home if they have a place to live, right? And black unemployment, especially in cities? Well, that's never on the news.
Wow. Longest Thread Ever!
Next stop, Fiscal Cliff, as a friend on facebook said.
Imagine being a young gay person.
Now imagine being a young gay person TRAPPED IN YOUR PARENTS HOUSE.
Bill said...
Synova--you can bitch and whine all you want, and everyone on here can continue to be a punch of pessimistic pricks, but when your party is adamantly against equality and civil rights
This is why children born to children today will live in a radically different world than we do. We're bankrupting our country so the left can pose as the civil rights heroes they wish they were born in time to be.
If young people simply can't vote for a party that is against abortion and gay marriage then young people will become old people with much less in the way of decency and success.
Fiscal responsibility seems to be tied to social responsibility.
Who'd a thunk it.
Another "unexpected" surprise.
"I wasn't voting for Romney because he was on my "team", I voted for him because he was the guy trying to pull this leviathan from the precipice.
Don't believe the hype! (Or rather, his lies.) Romney is a used car salesman for the leviathan.
Chip, short life span? Are you ill?
I'm waiting. What's taking so long? Where are the history/philosophy referencing people to mention Himself? "Democracy will last until the public realizes that it can vote itself wealth from the public largesse" then boom, it doesn't last. That part is left out. Something else might endure, but not democracy.
Like my anim? Did that a long time ago. Just learning Photoshop.
No Freeman, not ill, but issues point to a lifespan on the short side. I've already beaten the odds. So I feel great about things. But I do still worry deeply about leaving behind twenty trillion dollars in debt and a country used to being taxed all to fuck for the satisfaction of low level healthcare.
O Ritmo Segundo said...
LOLS! Alan Grayson won his seat back from Alan West! The war of the Alans has been decided!
It figures those of the the nutty left posing as reasonable are concurrently celebrating the victory of the most divisive and nastiest leftists in the country. After all, it's not like they even try to hide their hypocrisy.
I'm sorry to read that, Chip. You are a very bright spot in this world.
As for how we're leaving the country, I'm with you; it's a shame.
Robert Cook knock it the fuck off. Sixteen trillion dollars debt with conservative projection of twenty trillion dollars national debt is not hype. Don't believe the hype. Sorry. Twenty trillion dollars in debt is not hype. You suggesting so is shit. Shit for brains. Shit for brains who voted for twenty trillion dollars in debt says, "don't believe the hype."
See, I did hear you say, "don't believe the hype" and I'm sort of stuck on twenty trillion dollars in debt.
So right there, we're not speaking the same language.
Robert, your grandkids, if that's biologically possible, will be paying for my care whatever that turns out to be forever andever andever. <--autocorrrect wouldn't let me do that ha ha.
I know Robert meant the hype about Romney not the hype about twenty trillion dollars in debt and future generations being taxed to living fuck for lameass healthcare but even there look at things from the point of view of someone concerned about twenty trillion dollars of national debt.
Whereas Ryan is almost a good halfway point to fiscal sanity, from a tea partier constitutionalist budget-having serious about money perspective, Romney would be a flip-flopping flexible possibly acceptable 1/4 way to fiscal sanity, from that perspective. You see? That thin reed was the last chance, and now there is none. Please don't torture me me with 1% while the fact of twenty trillion dollars in national debt means taxation through and through. They'll be called everything but taxes, and Robert will be calling everybody liars perpetuating hype. I'll be dead, your kids and their kids will be paying off twenty trillion dollars in debt. I tried to steer you away from that but you weren't having it.
Know what? Even the French are pleased with us. Imagine the stupidity of that. That right there should tell you the mistake is serious, but no, you'll take the opposite lesson instead. Je ne sais pas à propos de quoi que ce soit.
So Inga? What did you object to in the Republican approach?
Robert Cook said...
"I wasn't voting for Romney because he was on my "team", I voted for him because he was the guy trying to pull this leviathan from the precipice.
Don't believe the hype! (Or rather, his lies.) Romney is a used car salesman for the leviathan.
Bob. You'll finally get you wish. Tax businesses and the rich out the wazoo. But tell me. After they're all fleeced and shorn, where's the money gonna come from?
"2. Negative campaigning works."
Indeed, train wreck Willard ran over 90% negative ads in the Rep primary against fellow train wrecks Santo, Newt, Perry, Cain, etc.
$$$ also helps. Which is why Reps lost only a few seats in the House. Plus redistricting/gerrymandering.
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And please, as always, let the ad nauseam Althouse con hyperbolic whining continue unabated for the next (4) years.
Hopefully Althouse has a high threshold for 24/7 con delusional self-righteous moaning/groaning.
blessings
It appears the thuggish remark by "Right is Right" has been removed, so I removed my response to him.
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