October 3, 2012

Who won?

Who won?
  
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ADDED: Oh, well, Obama is coming to Madison, into the arms of those who love him. There's the big outdoor rally tomorrow. (But look out, there's a 50% chance of rain... thunderstorms.)

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Carnifex said...

@NatAlex

Thank you for that wonderful explanation of Zerocare vs. our present system. I have been looking for the words to defend from the crap coming outta leftist mouths, and now I am armed. :-)

David said...

I sense Irrational Exuberance here.

It's just one day with a month to go. Obama is still in the lead. He has all the advantages of incumbency.

He will do better next time too.

Stop celebrating. I bet Romney is not celebrating.

Curious George said...

"Freeman Hunt said...
I think Obama will be much better in the next debate. He's not a social incompetent like Gore."

I was saying that he will overcompensate like Gore, but not for the same reason. Obama failed, and failed bad last night. That is clear. But he will not take responsibility. He didn't fail because of Kerry. He failed because of the combination of the last 3-1/2 years of disaster, and his hubris. But he will blame it on "style", or "prep". And he will come out as Mr. Tough Guy next time, and that will be the train wreck of all train wrecks. He is an arrogant brittle little prick. And he will show it.

furious_a said...

Freeman: I just don't think Obama is the social buffoon some others seem to think he is...

Yeah, but:

“I think that I’m a better speechwriter than my speechwriters. I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m gonna think I’m a better political director than my political director.”

There's no coaching away that kind of stup...err, intense self regard.
I feel kind of sorry for Kerry, locked in a room with that swelled head for however little time the President stepped away from his backswing to prep.

phx said...

We are unforgiving consumers of words.

This is sadly true, and a real indicator of the bleakness of the times. It's like nobody can wait to rush in to feel offended by what someone just said or declare someone a moron for having said it. I think it's a sign of decline or senescence.

Matthew Sablan said...

"I bet Romney is not celebrating."

-- He just needs to play more Jenga. That's what I'm crediting his performance on.

Patrick said...


Did you see the photo of the scowl Moo-shell was sporting?


I typically think photos like that are unfair - everyone has a bad look on their face at some point. What made me laugh though, was the caption.

while President Barack Obama and his wife Michelle try to leave the stage

Try to leave the stage? Was someone restraining them? Was something in the way? Were they lost?

Matthew Sablan said...

"I feel kind of sorry for Kerry, locked in a room with that swelled head for however little time the President stepped away from his backswing to prep."

-- I kind of want to be a fly on the wall at the next debate prep or debate debrief. I wonder who'll be the first one to forward Maher or Sullivan or Matthews' tweets and rants to Obama and say: "So, are we going to be serious now?"

MayBee said...

Obama is not a social incompetent, but I think he just does not have a lot of substance to say.

It will be interesting to see him try to explain his "leading from behind" theory with Romney standing right there.

MayBee said...

If Obama is like Gore, though, this next debate will be the Great Blush Debate, no?

Jay said...

He will do better next time too.

Bullshit.

Nothing about Obama's adult life indicates your statement to be true.

You're simply wishing.

Matthew Sablan said...

Obama will do better next time solely due to regression to the mean (toward the mean? Whatever.) This was such a spectacularly bad outing that doing worse is pretty much unimaginable.

Jay said...

Sorry, but when someone says:

"Jim, you may want to move on to another topic." I have a hard time believing they are capable of doing better.

What is Obama going to come out as Mr. Sunshine next time?

He's going to look even worse on foreign policy.

Matthew Sablan said...

That's entirely possible. I just think that after doing this amazingly awful, expectations are going to be properly adjusted.

Maybe they'll spot Obama an addition 15 minutes to make his points.

deborah said...

Bruce Hayden said....
And, I think, he may have even looked more Presidential than the real one last night, who seemed somewhat diminished (maybe, as a result of being tired).

;;;;;;

Romney also came across as very kind and reassuring.

How much did the release of the video, right before the debate, play into his mood? A lot, I imagine.

Freeman, no matter how well-rested or changed in body language, Obama, like me, can't speak off-the-cuff very well. Even if better prepared, he'll still speak somewhat haltingly. That, combined with Romney's grasp of details, will make it difficult for Obama to win, but just avoid such a shellacking.

furious_a said...

"...wonder who'll be the first one to forward...and say: "So, are we going to be serious now?"

Rahm or Bill Daley might have confronted him (their power/ status was independent of his favor), but they're gone. Crew he has now depend on him for their jobs. Debbie WS is an incoherent ditz (under wraps lately, too, I've noticed). Bubba is helpful only where there is some limelight for him. So I guess that leaves a party-elder "serious man" like Kerry or Schumer.

Robert Cook said...

"It's worse, I can't sue the government."

Obamneycare is still insurance via private insurers.

Robert Cook said...

Rusty said, regarding the so-called "death panels" that are purported to exist under Obamneycare:

"In one instance I get to decide-or my family- when I die. In the other a bureaucrat gets to decide.
I'm not surprised you need me to point this out."


In which instance do you get to decide when you die? When the "death panel" denies your treatment or when the insurance company finds a reason to deny payment for your treatment? (If you have no insurance, it's a moot point...you just die.)

Carnifex said...

@C4

Actually I spoke up about the murder of allah-wacki. He was an American citizen. Even the brittle man-child can't order the murder of an American citizen for speaking. Period.

Whackjob was not committing a crime, was not endangering another person, and was not bearing arms. That you on the LEFT stood quietly while this happened is on you.

I got into a real row with my dad about this. He was of the mind of most Americans, that the guy deserved it. I don't answer for those people, only myself. But I did speak up.

The return question is obviously,

"Did you?"

Robert Cook said...

And, a bureaucrat is no less a bureaucrat whether he works for a public or private agency.

But this is a moot point, as well, as Obamneycare is, as I stated already, still just insurance via private insurers.

furious_a said...

"...wonder who'll be the first one to forward...and say: "So, are we going to be serious now?"

[smacks head] Michelle! His motivation is he has to go home to her every night, hers those lavish Vail and Costa del Sol vacations they can now afford.

Teamwork. Like Bill and Hillary without the, ummm, distractions.

Matthew Sablan said...

"And, a bureaucrat is no less a bureaucrat whether he works for a public or private agency."

-- You can find different insurance agencies; you can't find different governments. Well, you can, but, yeah.

Paddy O said...

"Mostly though, it's just silent. Occasional pictures of Big Bird."

So, I have a yahoo email account for nonimportant stuff like filling out forms. I used to use it for more important stuff so I have to check it occasionally.

Anyhow, that means when I check it I get the page of yahoo news highlights.

Last night, before I went to bed, yahoo news had an article on the debate.

The title: "Romney: 'I like PBS and Big Bird.'"

I didn't click to read more.

Robert Cook said...

"'--I'm not a proponent of Obamneycare--it merely perpetuates and makes more powerful our system of private health insurers--but anyone who claims rationing of care doesn't take place now, using much harsher metrics, is lying or in denial.--'


"HUH?

"It's designed for the long game of government control. They're not powerful, the insurers are the middlemen.

"Just like the banks with mortgages, the King owns our house now."


This just reveals that you misperceive who is in control. You have it exactly backwards: Wall Street and the banks make the decisions, via their paid lackeys in Washington. They are the kings of our society, and the three branches of government merely their servants.


furious_a said...

In which instance do you get to decide when you die? When the "death panel" denies your treatment or when the insurance company finds a reason to deny payment for your treatment? (If you have no insurance, it's a moot point...you just die.).

The government-run rationing board denies outright the (your word) treatment. The insurance agent denies your claim, which means you can still pay for the procedure out of pocket. Assuming, of course, you can afford it.

Curious George said...

"Freeman Hunt said...
Obama did not get where he is by demonstration of his executive competence. He got there because he was able to seem likeable to people. He did not seem likeable last night. He seemed beleaguered. One can only assume he'll be back on his game next time."

That was then, this is now. He is the executive, and now has to answer to his failings.

Michael said...

Thunderstorms? He is going to risk the safety of students with possible thunderstorms?

Carnifex said...

I will go out on a limb and say that in the next debate, Zero couldn't do any worse. A slave to low expectations. He might, but that was a spectacular "Hey guys! Watch this!" showing last night. To do any worse, he's gonna' have to pull off the "I saw this in a cartoon once, and I think I can do it!!" double back flip with a plotz on the end. Tough even for a seasoned veteran.

On the other hand, I can see him doing just, or almost, as bad. As people have been pointing out, if you disagree with Zero, you get thrown under the bus. Like the problem with communism running out of other peoples money, you eventually run out of other passengers on the bus.

I can see Zero going full retard and claiming he doesn't need any help! The help he had this time cost him the debate!

After all, he's a better yadda yadda yadda...

And I pray Romney doesn't believe he won it all last night. I want him hungry. I want him mean. I want him to perform like he did last night.

Zero might even break out the fake accent again.

And the spinning by the media between now and the second debate will be enough to alter the rotation of the earth. Both their hero, and themselves got exposed/pwned/served, last night.

Robert Cook said...

"The government-run rationing board denies outright the (your word) treatment. The insurance agent denies your claim, which means you can still pay for the procedure out of pocket. Assuming, of course, you can afford it."

Aye, there's the rub. Many of us, perhaps most, cannot afford treatment for serious illnesses if we do have insurance or if our insurance will not pay for the treatment. This is why tens of thousands of people a year die in this country for lack of health insurance, and why many others go bankrupt from medical bills they cannot pay for.

Carnifex said...

As an aside, I should add that I still don't like Romney. But the choice is What you know you get with Zero, or a complete unknown in Mittens. Give me the unknown every time...Zero is a disaster.

Patrick said...

Wall Street and the banks make the decisions, via their paid lackeys in Washington. They are the kings of our society, and the three branches of government merely their servants

Yet you somehow believe with a larger and more powerful government, Wall Street and the Banks will lose their influence. Just remember that as long as the government increases its power, so will Wall Street and the banks (and the Big Unions). The only way to reduce their power is to eliminate the incentive for their corruption.

Gabriel Hanna said...

@garage:Ok, so what was the lie?

This: "Apparently the entire survey was white, 50+, and from the South. And no liberals. Internals here. Now that's real skewing!"

You quoted a tiny piece of a large documented and misrepresented what it said, counting on your audience not to look up the original. That's the "quote mining" tactic long used by creationists.

What you linked do was not the demographics of the survey, like you said it was. It was the way that one particular question was answered, broken down by the demographics of those who answered that way. You lied.

And you only linked to one part of a large document, hoping no one would check up on it. You were stupid.

Robert Cook said...

"Yet you somehow believe with a larger and more powerful government, Wall Street and the Banks will lose their influence. Just remember that as long as the government increases its power, so will Wall Street and the banks (and the Big Unions). The only way to reduce their power is to eliminate the incentive for their corruption."

Wrong.

I believe that if the government did the job it is supposed to do, in service to the interests of we, the people, as is theoretically its duty, it would hold the financial industries accountable for their huge crimes of the last decade (or longer).

It's not about making the government "larger and more powerful," but simply requiring it to do what it's supposed to do, and expecting it to serve its supposed constituents--we, the "self-governed"--rather than serving the interests of the wealthy and powerful.

Gabriel Hanna said...

@Robert Cook:It's not about making the government "larger and more powerful," but simply requiring it to do what it's supposed to do, and expecting it to serve its supposed constituents..

In other words, the mice just need to put a bell on the cat and then they can hear him coming. Problem solved, right?

That the government is too powerful is the problem, Robert Cook. The insurance companies supported Obamacare because they didn't want to be expropriated, and in exchange they were guaranteed a captive audience of healthy people to charge higher premiums to.

But I know that you think the ideal solution is the conscription of the medical profession, so I don;t know why I bother.



Robert Cook said...

Gabriel,

You seem to forget or ignore the fact that, theoretically, we are our government. It's not a matter of the mouse belling the cat, but of making the servant mind its master.

I don't expect this to happen, as our (supposed) servant has found another master to serve, and its new master is powerful and rich, and jealous of its prerogatives.

Methadras said...

Can the 23 people who think Urkel won last night please raise your hands? LOL

Synova said...

"You seem to forget or ignore the fact that, theoretically, we are our government. It's not a matter of the mouse belling the cat, but of making the servant mind its master."

Substitute the cat and the bell for the magician summoning a demon.

Making the servant mind its master never quite works when the master is foolish and summons a demon powerful enough to do what the master thinks it ought to do.

Wanting a government powerful enough to solve our problems is wanting a government powerful enough to enslave us completely.

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