July 26, 2012

NY Mayor Bloomberg endorses Massachusetts Senator Brown — over his Democratic challenger, Elizabeth Warren.

Questions:

1. Wait. I forget... Is Bloomberg a Democrat or a Republican? He's an "independent" now. He was a lifelong Democrat, until he ran for mayor (in 2001) as a Republican. He came out as an independent in 2007.

2. What does the mayor of New York have to do with Massachusetts? He was born in Massachusetts, grew up there, and went business school there.

3. Why did he pick Brown over Warren?
[T]he mayor had chosen to support Mr. Brown... for opposing a “national concealed-carry reciprocity amendment,” which would have required states to honor concealed-weapons permits issued by other states.
Concealed-carry reciprocity "would let people with gun permits from rural states like Arkansas and Kentucky carry hidden handguns in New York City," according to the mayor's spokesman.

It's not as though Warren opposes gun control, but when you "take a tough stand and buck party orthodoxy that helps the city of New York, the mayor would like to support you."

Interesting. By the way, why specify "rural states like Arkansas and Kentucky"? That has a bigot-y feeling to it. I suppose they might mean that in a system of decentralized gun regulation, what's right for a rural state is different from what a place like NYC needs/prefers. Federally imposed reciprocity undercuts the federalism values inherent in letting the states decide for themselves. But "rural states like Arkansas and Kentucky" — to my ear — sounds more like disgust for hillbillies.

94 comments:

Jay said...

T]he mayor had chosen to support Mr. Brown... for opposing a “national concealed-carry reciprocity amendment,” which would have required states to honor concealed-weapons permits issued by other states.

yes!

I mean, who cares about equal protection under the laws anyway?!?

Jay said...

Concealed-carry reciprocity "would let people with gun permits from rural states like Arkansas and Kentucky carry hidden handguns in New York City,"

It would also allow those yokels in New Hampshire, New Jersey, and Florida to carry too.

This spokesperson is obviously a statist.

Lauderdale Vet said...

In related news: Florida approaches 1 million concealed weapons permits

Fen said...

Isn't this the same idiot who threatened to put the police on strike over 2nd Ammendment?

Thus, proving the point for everyone that wants a weapon for self-defense.

When every second counts, the police are just minutes away or days, if you live in NYC.

Really happy he's endorsing the Fake Cherokee. Maybe they will board the same doomed plane together.

Chip S. said...

It may be b/c everything Bloomberg knows about Kentucky he learned from watching Justified.

EDH said...

That has a bigot-y feeling to it.

Nah, they just don't want those "hillbillies" running guns and whiskey to the "Indians".

Richard Dolan said...

"That has a bigot-y feeling to it."

Oh, please. It's just a way of referring to fly-over country -- he could have named any one of those states in the middle that civilized people never go to. Don't get all PC about it.

Rumpletweezer said...

Bloomberg is suffering from exhaustion. Controlling the lives of everyone around you must be incredibly fatiguing.

rehajm said...

Surprisingly, the endorsement comes without knowing Brown's stand on the national concealed-big gulp reciprocity amendment, which would have required NYC to allow citizens from states like Arkansas and Kentucky to carry big sodas.

deborah said...

So what's the answer? Does federalism allow individual states to decide about concealed carry, or is it a constitutional right throughout the land?

Shanna said...

By the way, why specify "rural states like Arkansas and Kentucky"?

Arkansas and Kentucky, proud to be taking up scary headspace in the NYC mayors idiotic head!

(a look at which states have more guns per household would not put either state at the top, last I looked it was Alaska/Montana/Wyoming ish but I didnt' look up the current stats).

TMink said...

I am fine with Bloomberg being disgusted with hillbillies so long as we keep getting his jobs that he taxes out of the state and he keeps getting our criminals that we scare out of our states with our guns.

Win win for us so far as I can see.

That is what state's rights is all about, letting the other state's be stupid enough for us to prosper.

Trey

traditionalguy said...

So all Coca-Cola and Chick-Fil-A need to do is start supporting gun control and they get the key to the city from Bloomberg. He really hates armed citizens.

Someone send the mayor a coupon for free waffle fries with his sandwich and small coke.

Jay said...

Lauderdale Vet said...
In related news: Florida approaches 1 million concealed weapons permits


I sent in my FL out of state renewal this month.

It will be good for 7 years!

campy said...

sounds more like disgust for hillbillies.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Of course Bloomie's disgusted by hillbillies. Isn't everyone?

Rocketeer said...

But "rural states like Arkansas and Kentucky" — to my ear — sounds more like disgust for hillbillies.

Dear Mayor Nanny Mangirdle,

Your disgust is reciprocated.

Signed,

Kentucky

Marica said...

As a Mississippian, I'm feeling slighted.

Original Mike said...

"Why did he pick Brown over Warren?"

Maybe Bloomberg believes he actually had a hand in building his business.

Just a thought.

Marica said...

Added: Just this afternoon I was talking with the US mail lady about the a k47 her son recently bought. Not kidding.

campy said...

Why did he pick Brown over Warren?

Maybe he's bigoted against Indians.

Justin said...

If you believe in federalism then you oppose the concealed carry reciprocity measure.

@TMLink -- Actually, in NYC, we have a big problem with our criminals driving to your states and buying guns from mom and pop gun shops and gun shows who sell guns without doing proper background checks. That's what gets Bloomberg so worked up about guns. He actually tried to sue a lot of out-of-state gun shops a few years ago to hold them responsible for costs incurred by the city in dealing with crimes committed by criminals using guns purchased illegally out of state. The lawsuit (rightfully) failed for a number of reasons, but you can understand his irritation. There's really no excuse for any gun store, no matter how rural, to sell a gun to a convicted felon. Period.

Quaestor said...

No, no, no! You've all got it wrong, wrong wrong! Bloomberg's endorsement of Scott Brown is a sly move to buoy up Warren's flagging campaign.

Think about it.

chuck said...

IIRC, Bloomberg ran in the Republican primary because the Democratic primary was too crowded. Add in the fact that he got the two term limit for NYC mayors overturned so that he could run again in 2009, and I think it is clear he belongs to Bloomberg's Opportunist Daddy Party.

jeff said...

"There's really no excuse for any gun store, no matter how rural, to sell a gun to a convicted felon. Period." Which is against the law. Period.

"Actually, in NYC, we have a big problem with our criminals driving to your states and buying guns from mom and pop gun shops and gun shows who sell guns without doing proper background checks" Bullshit. What gun shop? A dealer at a gun show still has to do background checks. How many guns? How do you know? Why do NYC criminals drive out of state to buy them, as apposed to stealing them like every other cities criminal does?

Lauderdale Vet said...

Here in Florida it's legal for private citizens to sell guns to other private citizens without paperwork. That's how most of them trade hands, with a handshake, as far as I can tell. It sort of ruins studies like this: http://bit.ly/OekGQH

Gun shops are federally licensed though, and so they follow federal rules: background checks, yada yada.

We have a 10-20-Life rule for even drawing a gun while committing certain felonies:

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/10-20-life/

The FL Dept of Corrections says that's driven down Florida's violent-gun crime rates by 30%.

Rocketeer said...

Bullshit. What gun shop? A dealer at a gun show still has to do background checks. How many guns? How do you know? Why do NYC criminals drive out of state to buy them, as apposed to stealing them like every other cities criminal does?

Silly man, asking for details like that. How can he possibly provide them, when it was just a lie he tossed out there to see if it would go unchallenged? Now that you've called him out, he'll slink away.

Jay said...

Actually, in NYC, we have a big problem with our criminals driving to your states and buying guns from mom and pop gun shops and gun shows who sell guns without doing proper background checks

There is no proof, anywhere at all, that this happens.

Rocketeer said...

Lauderdale Vet,

Don't throw water on that study, please. I think it's kind of awesome that Kentucky is the most armed state. I want to believe. Go Kentucky! Woo hoo!

Danno said...

As Mikey Bloomberg seems to sound a little bigot-y with regard to rural states, he probably has an image in his head kind of like "Deliverance" causing him to have this prejudice. "Butt" in reality, the states along the coast are those liberal bastions where you have likely a high percent of the homosexual couples and their butt buddies, say like Barnie Fwank.

Jay said...

Actually, in NYC, we have a big problem with our criminals driving to your states and buying guns from mom and pop gun shops and gun shows who sell guns without doing proper background checks


Right on cue:

A ringleader of off-duty New York Police Department officers who were caught in a sting agreeing to smuggle illegal guns and stolen merchandise was sentenced on Friday to nearly five years in prison.

Actually, in NYC, you have a big problem with your police officers trying to sell weapons that have been seized as illegal.

edutcher said...

I have a feeling Bloomie's endorsement is much like Willie's or Choom's.

Of course, his political career is like Lizzie's ancestry - dealer's choice, so I guess there's a kinship there.

Rocketeer said...

There is no proof, anywhere at all, that this happens.

Proof, hell. There's not even a credible assertion.

If there were, however, we could credibly assume that said gun dealer was doing it at the direction of the ATF for some hare-brained "tracking" program intended to bulid support for gun control "under the rader."

DADvocate said...

In 2010 Kentucky has a murder rate of 4.3 per 100,000 and New York city a murder rate of 6.56. So, yes, those rednecks from Kentucky would be a great threat to the peace and safety of those uppity New Yorkers.

I've met many New Yorkers who thought they were somehow superior, especially to good ole boys from the South, just by being New Yorkers.

Kev said...

(the other kev)

Well, obviously Brown is a better choice than the Marxist Muppet, but I could care less what Bloomberg says at this point. He is someone who is literally shrinking before our eyes, and soon he'll be nothing but a pool of stagnant water.

Lem said...

Notice how all the laws infringing on the second amendment to the freaking constitution, the highest freaking law of the freaking land, are sold as commonsensical.. the right thing.. bla bla bla.

But any law... any law having to do with curbing abortion-on-demand... well they are just unconscionable.

I'm so freaking tired.

Freeman Hunt said...

Raging hillbillies, descending upon New York City, guns concealed in every inch of their overalls and plaid shirts. One cries out, "Get 'em city slickers, boys!"

What an imaginative mayor NYC has. I wonder what other interesting things he thinks about.

Zachary Paul Sire said...

But "rural states like Arkansas and Kentucky" — to my ear — sounds more like disgust for hillbillies.

So what? Hillbillies are disgusting.

KenK said...

A lot of us living beyond the Hudson River have a big problem with crooked banksters and other NYC based felons ruining our economy with their stupid, irresponsible schemes hatched in mom and pop boutique hedge funds. No excuse.

Shanna said...

Signed,

Kentucky


Co-Signed.

Arkansas

ndspinelli said...

Bloomberg was a successful businessman. He knows in biz and politics you go w/ a winner. He sees Brown as a winner. There may be a little sexism in there too. He's a nanny stater but he's not stupid.

Freeman Hunt said...

Hillbillies are disgusting.

You find poor people disgusting? That's awfully honest.

AJ Lynch said...

Freeman - I agree the one -time whizkid Bloomberg has a one-track mind which leads him to say "let's make more laws". He must be a huge bore.

Lem said...

Notice how the mayor chose to root for the Mets.. instead of the more often winning Yankees.

Proving that some switches are safer than others.

Justin said...

A lot of us living beyond the Hudson River have a big problem with crooked banksters and other NYC based felons ruining our economy with their stupid, irresponsible schemes hatched in mom and pop boutique hedge funds. No excuse.

I agree with you, but that issue doesn't have anything to do with this thread. But to respond, I think it's fair to say that a large number of politicians who support gun rights also support allowing banks and hedge funds to operate in regulatory climates that permit, for example, banks to lend money through subprime mortgages, sell derivatives linked to the performance of those mortgages, and hedge their derivatives exposure by betting that the borrowers they deemed creditworthy would ultimately default.

I would love to be able to vote for a politician who supports increased derivatives regulation and also supports decreased regulation on gun ownership. There aren't too many of those. So you have to pick your poison.

Scott said...

It's a hoot that Bloomberg picks on Arkansas and Kentucky; when Vermont is considerably closer, -- and the state requires no concealed carry permit of its citizens at all.

So, I guess if the law passes, Vermont citizens can walk around packing heat in New York City and not have to prove anything other than residence to the NYPD.

Fprawl said...

Hot Damn, another Kentucky post. I haven't made this many comments since the guy smacked the protester for Rand Paul across the parking lot there.
I walked into the McDonalds in Cave City Ky and stood at the urinal next to a guy with a Colt Model 1911 on his hip, didn't think anything at the time because he had on Overhauls to hold his pants up. kindo of looked like a uniform of some kind, but since he had all of his teeth and was wearing shoes, he must have been from New York.

Justin said...

Actually, in NYC, you have a big problem with your police officers trying to sell weapons that have been seized as illegal.

Yes, we have that problem too. That guy should have gone away for more than 5 years.

But we also have the problem that well over 75% of the guns recovered in crimes in NYC originally came from out-of-state and mostly through illegal sales. It's well documented. The City actually did an undercover investigation at out-of-state gun shows and caught dozens of gun sellers making illegal sales.

Other states need to do a better job policing this. I'm all for decreased regulation of gun ownership (and certainly don't think we need more), but people should be punished -- severely -- for failing to take the steps required of them to prevent them from selling guns to convicted felons or the severely mentally ill.

All I'm ultimately saying is that I understand Bloomberg's frustration here.

Shanna said...

Actually, in NYC, we have a big problem with our criminals driving to your states and buying guns

I'm sure tons of NYC residents drive 1200+ miles to buy guns in Arkansas.

I Callahan said...

If you believe in federalism then you oppose the concealed carry reciprocity measure.

Following that line of thinking, I guess New York can keep their citizens from saying things against the government too.

TMink said...

Justin wrote: "There's really no excuse for any gun store, no matter how rural, to sell a gun to a convicted felon. Period."

I agree with you there pal.

And criminals are violating the law to get guns? I am shocked!

Trey

rehajm said...

A lot of us living beyond the Hudson River have a big problem with crooked banksters and other NYC based felons ruining our economy with their stupid, irresponsible schemes hatched in mom and pop boutique hedge funds. No excuse.

One could responsibly assign blame for the ruined economy to an over accommodating Fed, Congress coercing financial firms to make bad loans in the name of equality and social justice, and a lot of you living beyond the Hudson River house flipping and taking on stupid, speculative mortgages you could never reasonably repay. No excuse. But those things just aren't as much fun, I suppose.

Michael K said...

"gun shows who sell guns without doing proper background checks"

That's a myth. There is no "gun show loophole." A Congressman tried to explain that to the idiot Bill O'Reilly past night, I hear, and got a bunch of gibberish in return. I've pretty much sworn off O'Reilly for his idiotic statements about oil companies. Apparently, he's as ignorant about guns.

A gun dealer at a gun show MUST do the same background check and waiting period as if he was in his shop. The exception is for private citizens. Some states even require those sales go through a FFL certified dealer.

Jay said...

First it was:

Actually, in NYC, we have a big problem with our criminals driving to your states and buying guns

Then it was:

The City actually did an undercover investigation at out-of-state gun shows and caught dozens of gun sellers making illegal sales.

Yes, that was in Arizona.

Please tell us how many people drive from the Bronx to Arizona to go to a gun show.

Thanks.

EMD said...

I'm sure tons of NYC residents drive 1200+ miles to buy guns in Arkansas.

I don't think that's how it works.

There's probably an in-betweener or runner involved who brings them into NYC, then sells them off.

I Callahan said...

There's probably an in-betweener or runner involved who brings them into NYC, then sells them off.

You're awfully quick to believe the premise in the first place, which is that guns are coming into New York from Arkansas and Kentucky. This hasn't been proven by Justin (or you), so why is that?

If the first assertion is unproven (or more likely completely false), then your contribution to the discussion was pulled completely out of your nethers.

Shanna said...

There's probably an in-betweener or runner involved who brings them into NYC, then sells them off.

Like the guys who (supposedly) run drugs up I95 from Florida?

(I'm guessing that was sarcasm because you can't really think the AR-NYC thing is happening but still - shouldn't what's going on with completely illegal drugs tell us the futility of trying to ban a product, especially a legal one?)

BarryD said...

Bigotry and fear-mongering.

"Arkansas and Kentucky" translates to "red states that no New Yorker would ever visit voluntarily."

Neighboring Vermont has a socialist Senator and went 67.5% to 30.5% for Obama over McCain in 2008. It has far less restrictive gun laws (including legal concealed carry by anyone who can legally own a gun, with no permit at all) than KY or AR. But "Vermont" doesn't have the same connotations to a New Yorker, nor do PA, NH, CT, ME, all nearby states where New Yorkers may find themselves, and which have "shall issue" concealed carry permits.

dbp said...

Bloomberg is an idiot, but he is a very crafty guy.

With this endorsement he gets to further his anti-gun crusade--all the while he must know that his "endorsement" probably costs Brown as many votes as it gains him.

Justin said...

I'm sure tons of NYC residents drive 1200+ miles to buy guns in Arkansas.

Actually, they do. They buy lots of them. Then they drive them back and sell them to other criminals.

Justin said...

That's a myth. There is no "gun show loophole."

I know that -- I didn't mean to imply that there was. What I meant to say is that there are gun sellers, but at certain kinds of stores and at gun shows, who sell guns for cash and do not run the background checks.

Freeman Hunt said...

I'm sure tons of NYC residents drive 1200+ miles to buy guns in Arkansas.

Actually, they do. They buy lots of them. Then they drive them back and sell them to other criminals.


They don't simply go to neighboring states because...

Justin said...

You're awfully quick to believe the premise in the first place, which is that guns are coming into New York from Arkansas and Kentucky. This hasn't been proven by Justin (or you), so why is that?

If the first assertion is unproven (or more likely completely false), then your contribution to the discussion was pulled completely out of your nethers.


I didn't say Arkansas and Kentucky. I said other states. Frankly the Vermont example is the most troubling -- with reciprocity, it would make it easier for a felon to get away with carrying around a gun. All they'd need is a fake Vermont ID. And even in states that require licenses, the record keeping is often shoddy and difficult to verify.

As for the "proof" you claim is lacking, here's a start. You can google for more to support or refute this if you're interested.

Justin said...

They don't simply go to neighboring states because...

I was just using Arkansas as an example because that was one of the states in the spokeswoman's (idiotic) statements. If I recall correctly, most of these illegally trafficked guns originated in the south (Georgia and South Carolina) and also Ohio.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

Oh, my. I Googled Bloomberg + Brown and got this:

Bloomberg divorced Brown in 1993 and is currently living with former New York state banking superintendent Diana Taylor.

Yeah, yeah, different Browns. Still, fun was had.

John Cunningham said...

If this little Stalinist scrote Bloomberg thinks being unarmed is the way to be, how about if he gets rid of his 24-7 NYPD guard detail [I think 16 to 20 cops in all] and his private armed guards, and then go about? these elitist scum have one rule for themselves, another for the proles.

Chef Mojo said...

It's simple really. If New York didn't have draconian gun laws and outright bans, illegal importation wouldn't be an issue.

Rum running, anyone? Adhere to the letter of the 2nd Amendment, and this ceases being a problem.

As far as selling guns to New York felons? Why not? Y'all let them vote up there. If you re-enfranchise convicted felons in New York, doesn't it stand to reason that they can also exercise their 2nd Amendment rights?

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

Freeman,

You find poor people disgusting? That's awfully honest.

Well, I suppose we ought to be thankful for the existence of honest bigots. Not to be preferred to "no bigots," but definitely preferable to "dishonest bigots."

wv: texprel 14. Sounds to me like a product guaranteed to get your teeth "Miss Texas white."

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

John Cunningham,

Yes, if every politician who thinks armed people increase the risk of harm to citizens would disclaim armed bodyguards for him/herself, their argument might possibly be credible. Not exactly happening, is it? Weirdly, politicians seem to feel safer when there are people bearing guns around them.

But that's different. Right?

DADvocate said...

Of course, Bloomberg considers the NYPD to be his own army. He doesn't care about the rest of us little peons. Forcing some of us to sacrifice our lives for his grandiose schemes is just collateral damage.

Shanna said...

So that link said '85%' of the guns used in crimes were originally sold out of state. It doesn't say they were illegal and it doesn't say when. I saw no link to the study. NYC is geographically close to at least two states, right? When I lived in VA I bought stuff in MD and DC all the time. It was not nefarious.

"A Johns Hopkins study of dealers who settled with the City found a 75% drop in the share of guns originating from these dealers and recovered in New York City crimes."

So...did it drop crime? Or just change the where the guns were coming from. Doesn't that matter?

dbp said...

"All they'd need is a fake Vermont ID. And even in states that require licenses, the record keeping is often shoddy and difficult to verify."

As a former Vermonter I can say that this is not how it works. Vermonters do not need a permit to carry a concealed weapon*, but the state will issue you a permit. The sole purpose of that permit was for travel to states which do have reciprocity.

*I recall a story about a Vermonter who was arrested for having a concealed weapon at a Clinton rally on Church street, but I think it was the secret service that arrested him.

Lauderdale Vet said...

Lots of reciprocity maps here.

If I click on Florida, it tells me which states will honor a Fla CCW permit.

Eric said...

Actually, in NYC, we have a big problem with our criminals driving to your states and buying guns from mom and pop gun shops and gun shows who sell guns without doing proper background checks. That's what gets Bloomberg so worked up about guns.

How big? Do you have numbers to back that up, specifically the number of guns purchased illegally vs. legally that get used in crimes? Or is this another fake story like the one that had gun dealers in Texas and Arizona selling guns to foreigners (before the government forced them to)?

NYC has got to be paradise for a criminal. All those sheep just waiting to be sheared.

Revenant said...

Actually, in NYC, we have a big problem with our criminals driving to your states and buying guns from mom and pop gun shops and gun shows who sell guns without doing proper background checks.

Nobody ever seems to be able to identify any of these "mom and pop shops" that don't do the (federally required) background checks for gun purchases.

But we're assured they exist. In "those other states".

BarryD said...

"Nobody ever seems to be able to identify any of these "mom and pop shops" that don't do the (federally required) background checks for gun purchases."

Nor do they explain why their owners still have their FFLs and aren't in the Federal Pen. Their licenses can be revokes for small, accidental mistakes in logging, which means no more gun shop. Intentional violations land someone in the Federal Pen.

And the ATF really doesn't have much to do, other than to enforce this stuff, either, so it's not like these shops would just be overlooked.

Michael K said...

"What I meant to say is that there are gun sellers, but at certain kinds of stores and at gun shows, who sell guns for cash and do not run the background checks."

Hell, you can buy a gun for cash at a NYC playground in the right neighborhood. Most of this story is a myth and kept going by lefties who want to blame the "red states" for their own troubles.

Start executing murderers and see how fast the murder rate drops. In California, the gangsters want death row because it is safer and more private. Better cells.

Big Mike said...

Is Bloomberg a Democrat or a Republican?

Neither of the above. He leads a party consisting of precisely one person.

Why did he pick Brown over Warren?

Because he's enough of a political animal to recognize that Brown is going to win, and he hopes to build up some political capital by backing a winner.

... why specify "rural states like Arkansas and Kentucky"?

Because they're as alien to him as if they were populated with Martians.

Marquise said...

I have been a resident of New York City (for 28 years) as well as back woods redneck yockel from Virginia and Florida (well, northern Virginia and Miami but still). I have a carry permit from both Virgina and Florida but could not carry or even own a weapon in NYC, Guess which local I was in when three different times I had a gun pulled on me. Hint, it ain't in the redneck lands. Guess where I, as a law abiding citizen, was unarmed. Guess why I moved?

Carnifex said...

@Justin

What's it feel like to be a sheep? I remember in the movie "Babe" all dogs were considered "wolves" by the sheep because they had sharp teeth. Do you sleep good at night knowing that if some criminal broke into your flat, he could rape your wife and kids, while making you watch? Do you feel good knowing that there are neighborhoods in your city, you can't go to because you're the wrong color?

Ben Franklin once said "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" You sir, are that person.

Big Mike said...

Also, perhaps because Bloomberg knows that Clinton came from Arkansas and he mistakenly thinks Gore came from Kentucky (one "hillbilly" state is pretty much like any other if you're a city boy).

Titus said...

They God flyover country never ever goes off on Mass or NYC-evil places. Or "elite" colleges-which you will never find in Arkansas or Kentucky.

tits.

Titus said...

Just post anything here about Mass or NYC and the place erupts.

Harvard, Yale-run for the forest.

Face it, we live in different places. And we do it for different reasons. Yes, you all detest Mass and NYC-so good don't live there. And yes, we Northeastern peeps are afraid of Hooterville and Mayberry.

The country is diverse. Not everyone is going to live in the same locale.

What is important is are shared qualities. We all pinch loafs, think about that next time you are on the lou and squeezing out a big coiled snake.

We all pinch.

Praise the United States of America and all it's inhabitants.

And we all get to see tits hanging out in the summer. Some get to see more attractive tits than other but yet we all have that same opportunity.

Now get out that and work it!

tits.

Eric said...

Face it, we live in different places. And we do it for different reasons. Yes, you all detest Mass and NYC-so good don't live there. And yes, we Northeastern peeps are afraid of Hooterville and Mayberry.

I'm happy to do just that and call it even until people in places like NYC and "Mass" try to use their numbers to foist gun control on the rest of us. The fifth amendment (along with the tenth) was apparently not included in the official Democrat copy of the constitution.

Carnifex said...

@Titus

I worked in Mass for a year and some months...No offense, but you can keep it. "Elite" kinda has a bad reputation in the south as being code for "Snooty Yankee" I do like "Family Guy" if that is any consolation. :-)

Anyway, bland food, and rude people are just turn offs for me.

I like being close to the earth. I like being able to go out and drink from water springing right outta the ground. Or fishing and hunting for my dinner if I choose to. Of being able to go out away from people and run around stark naked if I wish, because there is only God and me there, and he already knows the jokes he's played on my body.

The longest traffic jam I was ever in here lasted 3 hours. You can walk from one side of Louisville to the other in less than a day. And be safe doing it!

Big Mike said...

@Titus, I think the point is that you and the rest of the people living in Massachusetts and/or NYC can make the decision that you will not provide yourself with the means to defend yourself if attacked. But the rest of us will not let you make that same decision for us.

We've chosen differently -- correctly in our opinion -- and expect you to respect that choice.

Titus said...

For the size of the city Boston is pretty safe.

I also enjoy the outdoors and nature. I can get to Maine or Vermont in a little over 1 hour and am very happy. The ocean, and mountains, and beautiful rivers are absolutely amazing. So are the people in these areas with minimal populations.

Vermont and Maine are very rural but yet, for me, not scary (being a fag and all). It is refreshing to be out of the city and feeling safe. Many small towns in New England are still very gay friendly. I didn't get that feeling in Wisconsin. My partner and I can stay at a B&B in Vermont in a town with a population of 1000 and no one looks at us twice. We are also very butch and muscular so that probably helps. He is also brown and has an accent and that is never an issue-it has been in other parts of the country. Also, half the B&B's are run by fags and dykes which also probably helps. I don't want to deal with any people who have issues with us staying in the same room or same bed. I would just leave-believe it or not I am not into confrontation. Also, a side benefit is that New England is famous for allowing dogs in many of their Inns-even fab hotels.

I was born in Wisconsin, close to Madison, yet never felt safe there. I was called a fag every day, beat up, pushed into lockers and hated and it made me want to get out.

I feel safe in the city. It works for me. We have a good economy here. I received an excellent education here and was not indoctrinated in some "elite" way-I am still very Wisconsin and will always be Wisconsin. I have been incredibly successful in business and have made excellent business contacts that will last the rest of my life. We have lots of great parks and universities and the people I have met have been very nice and I never felt like I was being judged-that was most important to me. I never felt that sense of security in Wisconsin.

Yes, there is a ton that drives me crazy. Traffic, a wait for everything, rude drivers, packed subways, rude people everywhere, housing expenses, etc.

I love the city but I also love escaping to Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire. They are all very rural with small populations yet still very cosmopolitan.

I am happy and love where I live and love my city.

When I fly home to Wisconsin one of the best experiences for me is going to the terminal in Detroit, on the way home,and finding the "Boston" gate. It makes me proud and very excited that I am flying "home".

Today at the office I met a young gay from Owensboro Kentucky and another young fag from somewhere in NC. They were so happy and excited about their jobs, where they live and their lives-that was really cool.

I have never been yelled at or called a fag in Boston-that means a lot to me.

tits.

William said...

On Bloomberg's plus side, he's in favor of stop and frisk. This has demonstrably lowered the crime rate in NYC and far more than any gun control legislation has ever done. After he's gone, our next mayor will stop this practice and blame the increasing murder rate on America's culture of violence or whatever. In a world of Rahm Emanuels and Sharpe James, I'm very appreciative of Mayor Bloomberg. There are some things you hillbillies just can't understand.

Dad29 said...

Arkansas and Kentucky

Hillbillies like....Bill Clinton, and/or the original Derby horse-owners?

I know what YOU meant, of course.

Eric said...

In a world of Rahm Emanuels and Sharpe James, I'm very appreciative of Mayor Bloomberg. There are some things you hillbillies just can't understand.

Right, right. A marginal increase in safety is totally worth having cops go through your pockets. Plus, you're going to live longer now that you're not allowed to buy big soft drinks or, you know, salt. Heck, Bloomie is almost like a wise family member to new Yorkers. Like, say, a big brother.

Revenant said...

I'm very appreciative of Mayor Bloomberg

That just makes it funnier, dude.

edward irvin said...

Bloomberg is endorsing Brown because he believes Brown in going to win, that's all there is to it.

Calypso Facto said...

Late comment to the thread, but do you think "85% of the guns used in crimes were originally sold out of state" might have something to do with the fact that NY has a much higher sales tax than any of its neighboring state??

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Biff said...

I had dinner with a few local physicians and PhDs in New Orleans recently. I mentioned that I was passing through Tennessee and Kentucky on my way back up North, and one of the docs said, "Well, now, you better be careful then!" I had a feeling that I knew what he meant, but I played the naive Yankee and asked him what he meant. He replied, to much nodding and grunting from the others, "They're all ignorant Republicans up that way."

I didn't have the heart to tell him what New Yorkers think about folks from New Orleans, even the ones with MDs and PhDs after their names. Heck, it's amazing what Manhattanites think of people from Queens!