June 13, 2012

One week after the recall election: Romney 47%, Obama 44% in Wisconsin.

The new Rasmussen poll of likely voters:
Prior to this survey, Obama's support in the state has ranged from 45% to 52%, while Romney has earned 41% to 45%. Last month, the numbers were Obama 49%, Romney 45%. The president led his likely Republican challenger by 11 points in March - 52% to 41%....

The president is ahead 54% to 45% among voters who are excited about the 2012 matchup. Romney leads 48% to 33% among those who are just choosing the lesser of two evils...

128 comments:

Original Mike said...

But the exit polls! Fraud! Fraud!

MadisonMan said...

I think if you're choosing the lesser of two evils that you are inclined to go with the new guy, unless the old guy somehow proves himself to you.

EMD said...

Polls, to me, are largely useless.

augustus said...

One week after the recall, but perhaps this has more to do with the "private sector is doing fine comment" and Obama's stated desired for more public hiring. Maybe this message is just not a winner in Wisconsin right now.

traditionalguy said...

Wow! The game is suddenly over for the Fifth Columnist Traitor. It happened the moment the scales fell off the voters eyes.

The Scott Walker vote was the confirmation that suddenly everybody knows what Obama has done.

But Obama's legacy of ending our advantage from cheap coal, oil and Nat gas lives on supported by the Green World Order that installed its agent Obama into the USA to use any means necessary to outlaw American prosperity by use of an assumed and totally false CO2 is pollution myth.

The USA's Military strength is now defacto cut by 60%. Any guess who planned that gem?

Tom said...

Two words...preference cascade.

The Farmer said...

I am the 48%.

edutcher said...

This is happening all across the board.

Ace (granted, using some of the less reliable polls) showed how Choom is losing ground in a lot states that were supposed to be safe for him (still on the home page for those interested).

Calypso Facto said...

Rats : sinking ship

Or as Kathleen Parker said the other day, nobody likes a loser.

Jay said...

You damage your credibility when you cite this wingnut pollster, Ann!!!

The Drill SGT said...

pleasant news, but without the cross-tabs on the party registration, it doesn't mean much.

I suspect there will be a large Bradley effect this time.

WV: WiState

eddie willers said...

"But the exit polls! Fraud! Fraud!"

Yes....I laughed so hard when the actual returns came in 7% off the mark and those same exit polls "showed" Obama up by 7%.

Math wasn't my best subject, but even I figured out the real numbers were closer to a tie.

The die-hards were trying to sell it as Walker voters who were going to vote for Obama. Ha!

Christopher in MA said...

Well, at least the spambot's pretty.

Triangle Man said...

Intrade has no market for "Obama to win Wisconsin" so I guess we have to take Rasmussen's word for it. Except Rasmussen blew the last election so miserably. Nate Silver has Obama at 85% likely to win Wisconsin (52.9% Obama - 45.8% Romney). Silver may not be right, but he is righter than Rasmussen.

Curious George said...

Maybe the WI drop off is this pathetic pandering to blacks for their vote using Bears Head Coach Lovee Smith.

BTW, the Bears are going to win the NFC North this year. Sorry Packers, you're done.

The Farmer said...

Curious George said...

BTW, the Bears are going to win the NFC North this year. Sorry Packers, you're done.


You are adorable, Curious George!

We don't hate you Bears fans; we pity you.

Alex said...

Rasmussen has been shown to be consistently right-wing biased for years. Garbage poll. I trust the PPP or Democracy Corps polls with my life.

BarrySanders20 said...

Curious,

I think my Detroit Lions might have something to say about winning the NFC North. If it's not the Packers, it will be Detroit. Bears third, again.

Tim said...

Vox Day http://voxday.blogspot.com/2012/06/vp-vs-538.html is sticking with his year+ old prediction "that Obama will withdraw from the race for one reason or another."

I find that had to believe considering how late in the year it is.

Alex said...

Nate Silver proves Rasmussen 'likely voter' method fundamentally flawed

Just trust the mainstream media polls, please.

tim in vermont said...

" Except Rasmussen blew the last election so miserably"


I am guessing this is irony, but in case anybody believes it:

"The final Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Election 2008 showed Barack Obama leading John McCain 52% to 46%. We are pleased to report that those figures precisely matched the actual election returns."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2008/2008_presidential_election

"President George W. Bush won the popular vote on November 2 by a 50.7% to 48.2% margin over Senator John Kerry. The final Rasmussen Reports projection had shown the President winning 50.2% to 48.5%."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2004/election_2004_bush_kerry

Rasmussen is the most accurate poll out there. It also leans an average of +4 to the R's.... Hmmmm

It couldn't be that the rest of the polls are biased?

Blue@9 said...

Yeah, pleasant to hear, but utterly meaningless. We still have months to go, which means all kinds of time for intervening crises and mishaps and gaffes. It could be a complete landslide in November for all we know.

Original Mike said...

Sorry, Curious. You're dreamin'.

Glenn Howes said...

I think the problem here is that Nate Silver has disavowed Rasmussen, which he once was quite complimentary about. Rasmussen was not particularly accurate during the 2010 Senate races and this is the hook Nate is hanging it on.

However, and ironically, I think Nate's own prediction of control of the House would have been more accurate (he gave the Democrats something like 17% chance of keeping control a day before they lost with a margin of something like 35 seats) if only he had given more weight to Rasmussen.

I don't know Republican leaning Rasmussen actually is, but it is consistently within 1 point or so of Gallup in the Presidential tracking poll, so it can't be all that extreme an imbalance.

chickelit said...

A tenuous lead over a tenacious base.

Patrick said...

I absolutely love how no one even mentions the Vikings as a candidate for anything other than the basement.

Old Dad said...

Careful now. You'll get the Crying Man going again.

Original Mike said...

"BTW, the Bears are going to win the NFC North this year."

Have you guys gotten a quarterback, yet?

Marshal said...

Keep in mind polls have specific dynamics, and the one our current circumstances best fit is Reagan v Carter. Obama won't get wiped out as bad because the academic / media information system has increased the Democrats floor over the intervening two decades. But the leak from Obama to Romney is going to continue over the summer as more people accept that the Romney = scary picture the media is painting doesn't fit what they see. Then shortly before the election it will go from "Omaba needs a tremendous October Surprise" to "a near wipeout". I can't believe I'm saying this but Romney is going to be our next president.

EMD said...

BTW, the Bears are going to win the NFC North this year.

Jay Cutler is already in midseason form!

Bertram Wooster said...

Having a choice isn't the same as being free to choose. Magicians rely on this when they offer you choices that make no difference to them.

All the interesting questions in politics to me have to do with why we're always choosing the lesser of two evils. This is all I've ever done and it's pathetic.

In this campaign it may be more explicit than ever. Boy that other guy. Is he scary or what? It works. One of those guys scares the living shit out of me. The other one just makes me want to puke. I'd send the lot of them to the far side of the universe and never think twice.

The real players don't care which one you pick.

Jon said...

Triangle Man said...

Intrade has no market for "Obama to win Wisconsin" so I guess we have to take Rasmussen's word for it. Except Rasmussen blew the last election so miserably. Nate Silver has Obama at 85% likely to win Wisconsin (52.9% Obama - 45.8% Romney). Silver may not be right, but he is righter than Rasmussen.

Does that 85% factor in the Rasmussen poll yet? Anyway, Silver's record since 2008 hasn't actually been that good. His final projection in 2010 was for a GOP gain of 53 seats. The GOP actually gained 63 seats.

Rasmussen did have an off year in 2010, and I'll be skeptical of their results until they've demonstrated that they've fixed the problem. But even if this poll is off by the same margin they were off in 2010- about 4 points- it's still basically a tied race in a state that Obama won by 14 points in 2008.

And I still trust Rasmussen a lot more than PPP, which is a complete joke. PPP was off by 4 points in the WI recall vote, and 5 points in AZ-8 last night- and those were their final polls where they had an incentive to get it right. Their current general election polling is absurd on its face: They have Romney losing to Obama as bad or worse than McCain in virtually every swing state. Nobody sane believes that. They are obviously just trying to prop up Obama's polling average.

Alex said...

PPP, Democracy Corps, ABC News, Marist are THE reliable polls for America. Don't trust those right wing theofascistconthuggery polls.

damikesc said...

BTW, the Bears are going to win the NFC North this year. Sorry Packers, you're done.

If Alshon Jeffery comes to play, the Bears might be grand. I just watched him for 3 yrs and he loafs when he's not the focal point of the play.

And Obama wants more stimulus. Because increasing spending by $800B for 3 yrs now with the original stimulus wasn't enough, apparently.

People keep acting like the original stimulus was a one shot deal. With the Dems refusing to pass a budget at all, what we spent the last year we had a budget is just re-spent each year.

Rose said...

LOL - yes, TRUST the in-the-tank for Obama,-the-campaigner-in-chief polls only, and tune in to watch Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow, and what's that other guy's name? I forget. HILARIOUS!

Loved this quote: Last night we got home from a dinner and discovered something wonderful when we switched on the television. There's an entire cable network called MSNBC devoted to the entertainment of conservatives. Apparently all they have on this station is disconsolate lefties 24/7. We assume it's part of the Fox empire. Roger Ailes is a genius, isn't he? by James Taranto/Wall St. Journal

Roger J. said...

Polls are the thing that provides fodder for pundits on the 24 hour news cycle. The only poll that matters is the one in early November--i would not get my panties in a twist resonding to a June poll about anything.18

Jay said...

And right on cue, Obama Doing fine:


AFL-CIO Pulling Funds From Obama Campaign

garage mahal said...

Wisconsin apparently likes slithering shameless liars. So why not Romney?

Marshal said...

"Wisconsin apparently likes slithering shameless liars."

Don't be silly Garage, nobody in Wisconsin likes you.

Old Dad said...

Garage said:

"Wisconsin apparently likes slithering shameless liars. So why not Romney?"

You might want to update your avatar.

BarrySanders20 said...

"Wisconsin apparently likes slithering shameless liars."

The poll is about the presidential race. Wisconsin hasn't voted R in a presidential race since 1984.

Dukakis, Clinton x2 Gore, Kerry, and Obama "shameless liars?"

Mark said...

Garage isn't taking this well.

Original Mike said...

"Garage isn't taking this well."

Barrett's defeat came as a complete surprise to him.

Nathan Alexander said...

Wisconsin apparently likes slithering shameless liars. So why not Romney?

Perhaps a majority of voters in Wisconsin have a better understanding of who can improve Wisconsin's situation than you do.

Rather hubristic of you to assume you know better than the majority of voters.

It is only a short step from such hubris to being okay with voter fraud that disenfranchises the votes you don't like.

Oh, wait, you already are on board with that by opposing Voter ID.

AJ Lynch said...

Garbage:
Is it difficult to type at the same time you are slitting your wrists?

Robin said...

No, Garage, the poll says that only 44% of Wisconsin likes shameless slithering liars.

garage mahal said...

Barrett's defeat came as a complete surprise to him

The actual result, no. I'm continually amazed how much Walker and Romney just lie through their fucking teeth though, every single day, about everything. I know you don't care, but I thought more Wisconsinites would catch on to it even though the state media completely ignores it. Oh well.

Original Mike said...

"The actual result, no."

Yeah, unless all that "Walker's going down, Walker's going to jail" smack talk was just bravado. But then you disappeared, which I assume coincided with your realization of what was coming.

Alex said...

.I'm continually amazed how much Walker and Romney just lie through their fucking teeth though, every single day, about everything.

I'm continually amazed how much Obama/Reid/Pelosi just lie through their fucking teeth every single day about everything.

FIFY

John Cunningham said...

Akex, devoted Lefty tool that he is, bleats:I'm continually amazed how much Walker and Romney just lie through their fucking teeth though, every single day, about everything.
I'm both amazed and amused at how these Lefty Urkel-felchers manage to deceive themselves. the WI tool crying after the Walker win was a hoot!

Alex said...

John has reading comprehension issues.

Patrick said...

Wisconsin apparently likes slithering shameless liars

Given that the argument against them consists of little more than "Koch Brothers!! ALEC!! Citizens United!!" it's hardly surprising.

You guys aren't going to convince people even if you turn blue in the face shouting all of that.

Rusty said...

garage mahal said...
Wisconsin apparently likes slithering shameless liars. So why not Romney?



Bitterness doesn't look good on you. It ages you prematurely.

Calypso Facto said...

I'm continually amazed how much Walker and Romney just lie through their fucking teeth...

I thought Professor Ken Mayer of UW had a pretty good article in the Wisconsin State Journal the other day. Take away: "Stop undermining the legitimacy of the electoral process just because you lost.

Unfortunately, most of the commenters there are just as oblivious to reasoned advice as garage is sounding. Dude, tweeting has not been good for your anger management skills!

lemondog said...

Wisconsin apparently likes slithering shameless liars

How did they vote in 2008?

If O is not re-elected will Ms. O no longer be proud of us?

Alex said...

Oh god garage, you've become totally deranged. How can Wisconsin be so wonderful in 2008 and then suddenly be so filled with such evil & filth? Maybe the real answer is to look within your own ideology. Yeah maybe you are the one filled with evil & filth. Ever consider that possibility garagenik?

Quaestor said...

The Farmer wrote:
I am the 48%.

Less than half full, eh Farmer?

BTW what shotgun did you settle on?

JohnBoy said...

We fall for the left's lies. They have smeared Rasmussen, so now we automatically disavow his numbers.

HOWEVER, Ras had Walker up 5 points in his last poll before the election, which UNDERSTATED his margin by 2 points.

Quaestor said...

Rusty wrote:
Bitterness doesn't look good on you, [garage]. It ages you prematurely.

Too late!

Quaestor said...

garage mahal wrote:
I'm continually amazed how much Walker and Romney just lie through their fucking teeth though, every single day, about everything.

That's not bitterness, that's self-deception.

wildswan said...

Don't forget that if Wisconsin is battleground state, outside money will pour in - a tsunami according to the MSM. So calibrate your poll responses and keep Wisconsin a battleground. If Romney is up, support Obama; if Obama is ahead, support Romney. We got 130 million dollars from the outside in the last election round. Let's try for 150 million this time. Come on Wisconsin! - we can all work together on this! Even the crying man can work with the rest of us democracy destroyers. After all he definitely wanted more money spent and that's where we can work together for Wisconsin. He could go cry in front of union HQ's and shame them into sending in outside money.

elkh1 said...

Alex:How can Wisconsin be so wonderful in 2008 and then suddenly be so filled with such evil & filth?

Same reason that the racist white men in the rest of the country who voted for the white half of Obama in 2008, now vote against the black half of Obama. The racists include 20% of black voters in North Carolina who are going to vote against the white half of Obama.

hawkeyedjb said...

"I'm continually amazed how much Walker and Romney just lie through their fucking teeth..."

You are? I doubt that. All politicians lie, and it's good to recognize that fact and take it into account when evaluating political claims. But it's silly to pretend that you're 'amazed.'

If you want to see a contest between two people that doesn't involve lying, go to a boxing match. Don't pretend to be shocked, shocked to find that politicans prevaricate.

Jason (the commenter) said...

Original Mike: But the exit polls! Fraud! Fraud!

The exit polls reached those who voted in the recall election. Rasmussen asked those who said they were going to vote in the next Presidential election. These are different groups of people.

A lot of people who supported Obama voted in the recall election, but they aren't planning to show up for the Presidential one.

Quaestor said...

ekkh1 wrote:
Same reason that the racist white men in the rest of the country who voted for the white half of Obama in 2008, now vote against the black half of Obama. The racists include 20% of black voters in North Carolina who are going to vote against the white half of Obama.

Are you engaged in some kind sick humor, or are you trying establish a reputation for yourself as a another lunatic troll? If trolling is your game, you ought to take note: Trolls tend to disappear from Althouse when they grow tiresome.

garage mahal said...

You are? I doubt that. All politicians lie, and it's good to recognize that fact and take it into account when evaluating political claims. But it's silly to pretend that you're 'amazed.'

Walker is on another whole level from most pols. Walker's entire campaign was based on an absolute blizzard of lies. Maybe I'm amazed at how little interest the media showed at some of the more jaw dropping lies. Like saying the Feds confirmed his alternate job numbers. The Feds said no, they did not, or could not verify the numbers Walker was touting. Not one media outlet called him out on it, aside from a few liberal bloggers. He ran probably 10,000 tv ads on that lie.

Calypso Facto said...

The Feds said no, they did not...

You know what they DID do? After making a big well-published announcement about the PROJECTED March job losses in Wisconsin, the BLS quietly went back and changed their projected LOSS of 5,000 Wisconsin jobs in March (2.730M employed) to a REVISED GAIN of 3,000 jobs (2.738M employed). No fanfare, no public announcement. Didn't I warn you about trusting the projected numbers?

Alex said...

garage - Obama's entire political career is a blizzard of lies.

Alex said...

Scott Walker lied about the timing of his union-busting plan making

Only political geeks care about this shit garage. Normal people in Wisconsin only carea bout RESULTS and Walker has delivered a balanced budget and helped foster an environment that has created private sector jobs.

Old Dad said...

Garage raises a number of troublesome questions, not the least of which is his claim of "fucking teeth."

Would you allow your children to witness your teeth fucking? Would you stop them? Was the molar wearing a condom? What about the baby teeth and the incisors right to choose?

Fen said...

The exit polls reached those who voted in the recall election

No they didn't. Else, they wouldn't have been off by 8 points.

Quaestor said...

The exit polls reached those who voted in the recall election. Rasmussen asked those who said they were going to vote in the next Presidential election. These are different groups of people.

That's true, but there's bound to be substantial overlap. What's more important is the fact that the exit polling methodology used by NBC was highly error-prone, I'd estimate the confidence interval was likely as low as 70% which would account for the upbeat predictions coming from Chris Matthews et al. in the late afternoon which rapidly turned to despair when the precincts began to report after 8 PM. NBC's exits swung almost 10% off the actual returns, so Lawrence O'Donell's delusional takeaway that the recall vote showed WI going for Obama by 7 points was at least defensible in that he was using NBC's data. Of course one must constantly remind lamebrains like Chrissy, Larry and Eddie "Haskall" Schultz that the only thing that can be extracted from garbage data is more garbage.

Exit polling has been getting less and less reliable lately. During the 2010 congressional election the usual suspects were buoyantly optimistic early in the when the only data they had came from the exits, then grew progressively somber as the real returns piled in.

The problem seems to stem from the use of volunteer pollsters recruited from local campi. They tend to be PoliSci majors, who tend to be themselves overwhelmingly left-liberal in outlook (conservative-leaning students concentrate in the much more rigorous domains of hard science, math and engineering, where the polling firms haven't yet thought to recruit) These volunteer are often too stupid to realize how easily their own biases can skew the results (PoliSci students often take cookbook statistics and just as often quickly forget the lesson about nuisance parameters). Their primary bias manifests itself in who they choose to interview. They tend to approach persons they perceive as agreeable (i.e. liberal) and ignore those they deem to be uninteresting or hostile, often rendered as something like: That person is obviously an evil Republican, I'll not treat that lout to my beautiful presence.

Michael K said...

"You damage your credibility when you cite this wingnut pollster, Ann!!!"

Rasmussen ???

He's been the most reliable the past five years or so.

Oh well, we can't use wingnuts, can we. Even if they're right.

Jay said...

garage mahal said...
Like saying the Feds confirmed his alternate job numbers. The Feds said no, they did not, or could not verify the numbers Walker was touting.


HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
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Dipko provided the AP with an email from BLS confirming that the data had been verified, but the final jobs number was not included in that email.

Dipko says the number is based off the data that received the final BLS sign-off.


Care to try again and name an actual "lie" you simpleton?

Jay said...

garage mahal wrote:
I'm continually amazed how much Walker and Romney just lie through their fucking teeth though, every single day, about everything


Idiot:

shouting something doesn't make it true.

Original Mike said...

Exit polls are bullshit.

Aridog said...

damikesc said...

People keep acting like the original stimulus was a one shot deal. With the Dems refusing to pass a budget at all, what we spent the last year we had a budget is just re-spent each year.

You are dead right. You are the first person I've heard in a very long time who actually does understand how "continuing Resolutions" work and the unaccountable damage they permit to occur.

Seriously, thank you.

garage mahal said...

Care to try again and name an actual "lie" you simpleton?

Just what I said earlier. The Feds did not confirm Walker's numbers. Your own link proves the lie.

"The BLS said "The Bureau can not comment on the fourth quarter numbers because they haven't been released. I can say that we would not have confirmed the numbers yet, but would only have confirmed the methods used." Source

You don't care anyways, so why even ask?

Alex said...

garage - why would Walker obviously lie if the lie would be found out easily and trumpeted by the lamestream media? What's his motivation?

Jay said...

Your own link proves the lie.

Actually, it "proves" no such thing.

But of course you linking to a left wing blog is now "fact"

And of course when something is in dispute it is a "lie" to an utter idiot like you.

alan markus said...

For Garage, here's one of those "Pants-On-Fire" lies in the runup to the recall election. It's one of his favorite topics:

Recall challenger Tom Barrett says “Scott Walker has a plan to privatize state lands” and “wants to sell our deer to the highest bidder.”

Jay said...

Just what I said earlier.

Notice how you can't name a "lie" that isn't spoon fed you by a left wing blog.

Want to guess why that is?

garage mahal said...

garage - why would Walker obviously lie if the lie would be found out easily and trumpeted by the lamestream media? What's his motivation?

The lie is that the BLS confirmed Walker's numbers, which they didn't. I doubt they will make a fuss over it if it turns out he did fudge the numbers. Republicans have it ridiculously easy in Wisconsin. Nothing sees the light of day.

garage mahal said...

Notice how you can't name a "lie" that isn't spoon fed you by a left wing blog

Do I need to draw you a picture?

From your link:


Walker says the BLS confirmation shows that the preliminary numbers were accurate. He says Barrett owes people an apology.

Reality:

The BLS said "The Bureau can not comment on the fourth quarter numbers because they haven't been released. I can say that we would not have confirmed the numbers yet, but would only have confirmed the methods used."

Jay said...

Do I need to draw you a picture?

Of course when something is in dispute it is a "lie" to an utter idiot like you.

Jay said...

Notice how the barely literate imbecile doesn't understand this:

Walker says the BLS confirmation shows that the preliminary numbers were accurate

Leading to:
he Bureau can not comment on the fourth quarter numbers because they haven't been released

You really do enjoy proving how idiotic you are each day to everyone here, don't you?

Jay said...

So in sum, the BLS has confirmed they verified the data.

Since wittle garagie and his idiot friend can't argue that fact, they pretend that Walker has claimed the BLS confirmed data that did not exist.

Again, you are so stupid it is kind of sad.

Patrick said...

Politifact (for what ever it is worth) rated Walker's claim that the 23,000 jobs figure is "final" as misleading, but only because the BLS (Feds) release the "final" numbers. The BLS releases the numbers based upon what the state provides, i.e. the number cited by Gov. Walker. Garage's link notes the BLS has confirmed that WI used the correct methodology, so there is no reason to believe that the jobs numbers will be materially different than those that the Governor called "final." Politifact essentially disputes not the Governor's number, but the fact that BLS had not yet confirmed it. The numbers are correct, the BLS had only approved the methodology.

The numbers are not a lie.

Patrick said...

Politifact also rated Mayor Barrett's claim that "[Gov.] Walker 'dreamed up' the job numbers" to be false. That figure was compiled by WI and submitted to the BLS. The BLS will in turn use those for the "final numbers."

Patrick said...

Walker's statement was "The government just released the final job numbers. And, as it turns out, Wisconsin actually gained -- that's right, gained -- more than 20,000 new jobs during my first year in office."

If "the government" refers to the Feds, he's wrong. If it refers to the State, which had just released those numbers, he is correct.

Neither of which will matter, assuming those numbers are not materially different than what the Feds will release.

garage mahal said...

Walker says the BLS confirmation shows that the preliminary numbers were accurate

Except for the fact that the BLS did NOT confirm the preliminary numbers!

"I can say that we would not have confirmed the numbers yet"

Which means to deluded hero worshiping wingnuts like Jay that "they DID confirm the numbers!"

You guys are way too funny man. Like cultists.

Patrick said...

So, while Gov. Walker's statement was incorrect only insofar as it failed to accurately state the process by which numbers become "final," the Mayor's statement was flat out false, with no justification.

To whatever extent Gov. Walker is a 'liar,' Mayor Barrett is worse.

garage mahal said...

So, while Gov. Walker's statement was incorrect only insofar as it failed to accurately state the process by which numbers become "final,"

You still do not get it. Walker said that the BLS confirmed to Walker that the job numbers Walker was releasing were confirmed by the BLS. They weren't. It's a lie.

Jay said...

Walker said that the BLS confirmed to Walker that the job numbers Walker was releasing were confirmed by the BLS.

Actually, Walker says the BLS confirmation shows that the preliminary numbers were accurate.

You are too dumb to understand what is going on here.

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Patrick said...

We may be talking about different statements. The material I put in italics was from politifact, which took it from the Governor's ad. I didn't see a direct quote in your link with Walker saying that "BLS confirmed to Walker that the job numbers Walker was releasing were confirmed by the BLS."

Perhaps I missed a direct quote. I know the Gov. said those were "final numbers" and I know the BLS says that although it has confirmed WI's methodology, they have not called them "final numbers." Do you have the quote in which the Gov. said "BLS confirmed these numbers?" Your link cites Politifact as its source, so I don't know. Maybe you clould clarify.

Also, I note that there is a difference between a "lie" and an "error." Often depends on the perspective of who is hearing it.

Rusty said...

Garage.
Quit diggin, mate.
The numbers ain't with you.

garage mahal said...

Actually, Walker says the BLS confirmation shows that the preliminary numbers were accurate

The BLS did not confirm any actual job numbers to Walker, they said so themselves. Walker said the BLS did. They didn't. It's a deliberate lie. And it worked!

Worst job records in the U.S.? Make it into a "he said she said!"

Wisconsin used to have a fantastic watchdog media that nailed Republicans and Democrats equally. Now, it's just Walker stenography.

If it turns out the numbers Walker released don't match the BLS numbers, the argument shifts to "Well it was just off a little bit! I blame Obama!"

PackerBronco said...

GM writes:
The lie is that the BLS confirmed Walker's numbers, which they didn't. I doubt they will make a fuss over it if it turns out he did fudge the numbers.
=====================
In Garage's fevered imagination, Walker was burning the midnight oil compiling the numbers himself and juggling the books to create a favorable report. The truth it's that the jobs report was written by career bureaucrats and the head of the department signed the recall petition!

So at best, the Left can only claim that the details of the preliminary report should not have been released.

Of course why the public would have been better served by NOT knowing the updated jobs numbers is a question that the Dems didn't want people to think about.

garage mahal said...

So at best, the Left can only claim that the details of the preliminary report should not have been released

The released numbers may or may not be accurate. But Walker lied to the state and said the figures were verified by a bureau that said they didn't verify the figures.

Cedarford said...

More evidence that Romney has a very good shot, and that shot will not be by "energizing conservatives" on issues like Santorum's gay bashing or promising exciting new wars to Fundies to help Freedom LOvers!! and Our Special Friend Israel...

It will be by keeping this on the economy, focusing on the middle...winning the Reagan Democrats back again and bringing into the Republican column the private sector hispanics who see their money going to black and liberal white government employees that make more and work a lot less hard than they do - and see the problem as lack of jobs and mobility in the private sector - not more pay, bannies and job security for Hero Government Employees in uniform and others.

Patrick said...

Walker lied! "benchmarks for the state, adjusted to account for any changes to prevent statistical errors" died!

Just lacks a certain punch.

Tim said...

Regarding Walker and Wisconsin, there are really only two relevant facts:

1) Walker defeated the recall and will remain Governor;

2) It is immaterial as to who wins the NFC North; the NFC's road to the Super Bowl goes through San Francisco;

a) The New York Giants will finish third in the NFC East, behind Filly and Dallas.

b) Atlanta will win the NFC South.

PackerBronco said...

garage mahal said...
So at best, the Left can only claim that the details of the preliminary report should not have been released

The released numbers may or may not be accurate. But Walker lied to the state and said the figures were verified by a bureau that said they didn't verify the figures.
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You don't get off that easily Garage. You insinuated that Walker fudged the revised numbers. Now either back up that accusation, retract it, or admit you lied.

But if the best you can claim is that Walker claimed an authenticity for the numbers that was overstated; that's incredibly weak.

furious_a said...

Barrett's defeat came as a complete surprise to him.

That's Barrett's second defeat, mister.

garage mahal said...

You don't get off that easily Garage. You insinuated that Walker fudged the revised numbers.

With his sociopath lying, I'm sure he did lie about the numbers. Again, the point is easy. Walker said the BLS confirmed job numbers that the BLS said they didn't.

Sociopath lying robot #2, Romneybot 2.0, will continue lying as much, or more, than Walker will. It works, why stop?

Tim said...

Anyone as butt-hurt as the "I heart WI" guy must have sat on the wrong end of a splinted baseball bat.

furious_a said...

From the AP, confirming that the BLS validated the jobs numbers...

Walker’s Department of Workforce Development provided an email to The Associated Press on Wednesday from the bureau’s staff that shows it gave final approval to the numbers.

Garage: Every word out of his mouth a lie, including "and" and "the".

garage mahal said...

It's not butthurt. It's like trying to explain the run and shoot offense to my dog.

Original Mike said...

You really believe Walker beat Barrett because he "lied" about the job numbers?

alan markus said...

A few weeks ago (before he went dark) Garage was hijacked a thread channeling a Barrett lie about Walker intending to privatize deer hunting land.

Recall challenger Tom Barrett says “Scott Walker has a plan to privatize state lands” and “wants to sell our deer to the highest bidder.”

46% of Wisconsin voters went with the liar, 53% didn't, hence Walker won

I don't expect Garage to respond or acknowledge this - a troll never would.

So, you guys can argue with him until you are blue in the face, he's going to keep gnawing on the same bone until you wear out.

Original Mike said...

R/V was making the same claim. I never took the time to track down the genesis of this canard, but the claim is laughable on its face.

Hendu said...

...Democratic strategists are now explaining how this is good for Obama.

Mark said...

"Certified, not certified. I'm the one with the votes."

Garage, Wisconsin Democrats are doing fine. It's the Progressives who really need some stimulation.

Personally, I think some Lapsang Souchong and MP3s of Native American chants would work best, but there are others who might recommend tasers.

furious_a said...

Garage: Walker said the BLS confirmed job numbers that the BLS said they didn't.

AP says they did, and have an email to prove it.

Walker’s Department of Workforce Development provided an email to The Associated Press on Wednesday from the bureau’s staff that shows it gave final approval to the numbers. The email did not say what number the bureau approved, but Workforce Development spokesman John Dipko said it was 23,608...

Garage: Every word a lie, including "and" and "the".

garage mahal said...

Walker’s Department of Workforce Development provided an email to The Associated Press on Wednesday from the bureau’s staff that shows it gave final approval to the numbers. The email did not say what number the bureau approved, but

BUT. hahaha. Suckers. Walker's administration will leak an email to the AP but won't provide it to the state of Wisconsin? You're in a cult and you should get help.

Not to worry, and like I said; when the numbers come back different from Walker's numbers, you'll Stepford Wive into something else.

Tim said...

"Walker’s Department of Workforce Development provided an email to The Associated Press on Wednesday from the bureau’s staff that shows it gave final approval to the numbers. The email did not say what number the bureau approved, but Workforce Development spokesman John Dipko said it was 23,608...

Garage: Every word a lie, including "and" and "the"."


And:

"It's not butthurt. It's like trying to explain the run and shoot offense to my dog."

Clearly now, the "I heart WI" guy mistook who the dog is.

garage mahal said...

Dicksucking Scott Bauer from the AP confirms that an email was leaked to the AP that allegedly confirms job numbers in an email that didn't contain any job numbers? LOL. Bauer got pummeled on this on Twitter and never provided a response that I can tell. And I follow him.

Tim said...

Trifles.

Matt Cain just threw the first perfect game for the Giants in their 133 year history, the 22nd in the entire history of MLB, and tied Kofax for 14 strikeouts in a perfect game.

Compared to this, the "I heart WI" guy obsessing over his ball-bearings of a piss-ant AP story, as if the entire recall hinged on one confirmed/partially confirmed/not-yet-but-to-be-confirmed/maybe not entirely confirmed but close enough for government work jobs report is just odd.

Also, I though Liberals loved guys who sucked dick.

Did I miss something?

Palladian said...

Also, I though Liberals loved guys who sucked dick.

Did I miss something?


In typical "liberal" fashion, they pretend to be sensitive and concerned for us queers, so long as we vote for their sack-of-shit candidates and stay quiet and don't cause too much trouble, but when they think no one is looking, "dick sucking" men is, of course, the worst insult they can think of, and anyone who doesn't toe the line is fair game for their anti-gay abuse.

The same thing goes for women; look how so-called "liberals" treat women who don't keep quiet and stay out of "trouble". I think the root of it all is misogyny— the worst insult garage mahal can think of for a man is "dick sucker"; in other words, a man who behaves like a woman.

As I always say about politics, it usually has nothing to do with beliefs or ideologies, really. It's just one tribe beating the other tribe with clubs.

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Gary Rosen said...

"Our Special Friend Israel.."

C-fudd hates Israel so much he's going to vote for Obama and Sam Power.

lemondog said...

BLS Wisconsin

Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...

Whatever happened to that Bailey dude? He seemed somewhat less unhinged than some of the other lefties around here. Man I miss that guy.

Rusty said...

http://dwd.wisconsin.gov/dwd/newsreleases/2011/unemployment/110721_june_state.pdf


From your own state labor whatever.

Aridog said...

... got pummeled on this on Twitter ...

Ohhh, the humanity, the humanity!! [sob]

... liberals... they pretend to be sensitive and concerned for us queers ...[actually pick any interest group]

Problem is that said interest groups tend to vote for liberals anyway, with the few exceptional & informed people remaining outliers. Still, outliers indicate a potential for defeat of the liberal cult. Now if only the liberals will making their pandering even more obvious and offensive....

Original Mike said...

"Bauer got pummeled on this on Twitter and never provided a response that I can tell. And I follow him."

Gee, I can't imagine why he didn't respond.