April 4, 2012

"So what are we going to do, Tiny White Man in my Underpants?"

"Any big bright ideas on how I can earn some extra bank for my hoohah? Surely that was one of the courses you took when you were learning everything there is to know about bajingos. Because the thing is? My bajingo is here to stay. And it needs constant care and attention, just like a hermit crab, or a dwarf hamster. So please tell me you really do know everything there is to know about lady caves. This lady cave needs cash, big time. For medicine. So it doesn’t explode."

A salvo from the left in the war on women. Presented without comment, for discussion purposes.

136 comments:

chickenlittle said...

Which is better: a tiny white man in her underpants or a big black man next to them?

Better not do a spoonerism with "which is better"

bagoh20 said...

Sounds like a lot of racist sexist bullying is going on in those underpants. Maybe that hoohah needs a time out and some sensitivity training.

Does she ever wonder why the white men in her undies stay small?

TWM said...

I thought liberals were supposed to be the funny ones . . .

shiloh said...

"Tiny White Man in my Underpants?"

Isn't that what the D.C. Madam said to conservative evangelical David Vitter?

damikesc said...

Really, though, if you won’t write me a permission slip to give to my employer so I can have birth control pills,

It's great when authors save me the effort in determining if they are actually worth reading.

damikesc said...

I thought liberals were supposed to be the funny ones . .

They believe they are the tolerant ones as well.

Leland said...

Choose a cheaper college than Georgetown. Perhaps one in a town with a lower cost of living and better medical care. If the illness is very serious, then perhaps taking out thousands in student loans isn't as important as taking care of your medical needs.

edutcher said...

If that's the best the Lefties can do, no wonder they thought they'd do better going the race war route with the Trayvon Martin thing

Tiny White Man in my Underpants?

Isn't that what the D.C. Madam said to conservative evangelical David Vitter?


No, it's what every woman he's ever propositioned has said to bathtub swabbie.

caplight45 said...

EMPOWERED!

Andrew Koenig said...

If it were about a different topic, I think that this is what a liberal would call hate speech.

chickenlittle said...

This lady cave needs cash, big time.

Cave canem

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Sometimes I'm just so embarrassed and ashamed to be female. This is one of those times.

Reading this essay, I think we all lost IQ points and will never be able to get them back.

Paddy O said...

Sounds like she has her own private Prince Charles.

Speaking of bajingos, I think this video says it all.

edutcher said...

DBQ, a lady never has to be ashamed.

Never put yourself in the same category with a (dare I?) person like that.

You are a lady.

David said...

The white man is tiny because all he gets to eat are tiny little cheese curds.

Carl Vero said...

McSweeney, a publishing company based in San Francisco, describes itself as “small and irresponsible, and afflicted with mold-born allergies”. After reading the related piece, submitted by Ms. Roy, I realized that no humor was intended and that the company's allergies are socially transmittable.

DrSquid said...

Astounding, the shit that finds it's way into print.

Revenant said...

"You have a problem and need money for it" does not mean "I need to give you money for your problem".

"I have a problem and need money for it" does not mean "you need to give me money for my problem".

Understanding those two sentences would clear up a lot of left-wing misconceptions about this "war on women". It isn't that we (or I, at least) have a problem with birth control. We have a problem with spending our hard-earned money on fixing your problems. Pay for it yourself. If you find yourself destitute because of lack of hoo-hah funding, THEN ask for a handout. But ask -- don't demand.

Curious George said...

If the tiny white man says “You better put some ice on that” then whatever the tiny white man did is all good...right? Right?

Rabel said...

With just a little re-write, you could submit that to The Daily as your op-ed column on the gender gap.

Pogo said...

Ever since the Vagina Monologues, them lady caves, hoohahs and bajingos don't ever seem to shut up.

Criminey, that fallopian caterwaulin' is like Yoko, Rosie O'Donnell and Chaz singing the Nationable anthem.

Well, y'all can lead a fish to water, but ya can't make her ride a bike.

Pogo said...

"So what are we going to do, Tiny White Man in my Underpants?"

First, consider changing brands. Try Summer's Eve maybe.

If he's still there, use Monistat.
If the tiny white man persists, oral metronidazole might help.

n.n said...

A civilized society capable of preserving individual dignity has a prerequisite where participating individuals are capable of self-moderating behavior.

Also, there does not exist, or should not, anyway, a woman's right to pursue elective abortion of a developing human life which was conceived following a voluntary behavior.

The Democrats, and their supporters, need to reflect on their heritage, and comprehend that they are, in fact, repeating the human and civil rights transgressions, which their predecessors and ancestors were predisposed to. Granted, they have successfully repackaged and sold their old ways; but, fortunately, only to a minority of Americans.

Oh, one more thing. It's not just a "tiny white man." In fact, absent the corruptive influences of redistributive and retributive change, Hispanics, Blacks, Asians, etc., in the majority, embrace the natural order and its evolutionary fitness judge. And no one enjoys progressive involuntary exploitation. So, reconsider your valuation of human life, and the individual dignity of those you would presume to exploit without their consent.

That said, I congratulate Americans who are capable of resisting the temptations of physical, material, and ego instant gratification. They do not contribute to progressive corruption and they do not diminish evolutionary fitness. They do embrace voluntary exploitation, including economic exchange, and charitable works and donations to aid individuals who falter. They do embrace the intrinsic value of human life, throughout it development. They do contribute to the stability and viability of our society and humanity.

bagoh20 said...

I assumed from the headline it was written by Anthony Weiner, to his nemesis Antiny Weiner.

AllieOop said...

Cave dwellers. Prehysterical. I for one love being a woman and would NEVER be ashamed of my gender.

This is funny stuff with a unfunny message.

bagoh20 said...

"If he's still there, use Monistat. "

That's right Pogo, the little white man might just be a mushroom.

traditionalguy said...

Obviously she still blames men that she is a woman. It does seem unfair. We can reccommend the Chaz Bono surgical treatment to her, I mean him.

bagoh20 said...

If this kind of approach doesn't inform you of the primary problem with government in your health insurance, it should.

A completely voluntary item that is not needed for your health is gonna be whined for like this with indignation aimed at those expected to pay for it. This will be endless until half the items in the drug store must be provided free by your insurance, as well as all the crap currently sold on infomercials at 3 am. The whining for free stuff will be an endless cacophony of primarily vaginal voices and the little white beta men who hang around them like remora for protection. Think of your cousin or aunt that is always on something new she saw on TV or heard from her friends. Now you will be buying it for her.

This will grow the system into a behemoth that will consume so much of the national treasure, time, market energy and goodwill between Americans that there will be nothing else ever discussed. This is quickly becoming the situation in the U.K. It's all they ever talk about - costs and benefits of the NHS.

Shawn L. said...

* Sigh *

Spare me from opinion writers who try too hard to be witty, as if being clever helps you win arguments.

Lost My Cookies said...

I'd like to get her hoo-ha outta my wallet. It's beginning to stink in there.

chickenlittle said...

I hear an echo in her monologue here.

Also, she defines getting a wad in her panties, which is none of our business.

bagoh20 said...

"Sometimes I'm just so embarrassed and ashamed to be female. This is one of those times."

DBQ, just think of how superior it makes us men feel though. It's worth it. Lately, I'm feeling pretty good about my gender choice. I know it's not a choice yet, but wait for few years and it will be covered, including multiple reversals if I change my mind, which I will do often once I get on the estrogen.

Astro said...

1960's John Birch Society: "There's a commie under my bed! There's a commie under my bed!".
Yeah, equally ludicrous.

Pogo said...

I couldn't finish the article. Did she also use the term va-jay-jay?

Or did Oprajh copyright that one?

Anyways, bagoh's dead on. Anything that ladycave's want will now be a national imperative, the lack of which is Misogyny, and results in another National Conversation about how white mens hates the bajingos.

Makes you think all women ever want is other people's money.

AllieOop said...

Bagoh, hormones won't take care of that stubble on your face though, you might need electrolysis.

bagoh20 said...

"you might need electrolysis."

It'll be covered, as well as having it transplanted into an elaborate landing strip with passenger terminals and a circular control tower garden.

I'm now fully behind this ACA thing. I want this stuff.

Nora said...

Well, why not to ask the government for free dildos, then.

OT. Who thought of “Join Michelle and Tell Barack You’re In” slogan?

bagoh20 said...

"OT. Who thought of “Join Michelle and Tell Barack You’re In” slogan?"

Michelle: "Hello, Barack, there's a little white man in my underwear and he says he's in."

DADvocate said...

How insipid and childish. No little white man, or big white man, wants in her underpants. Quite the opposite, we want out. We don't want to pay for what happens in her underpants. Support yourself, little girl.

AllieOop said...

Bagoh, I knew you were sensible! A landing strip for the white little men?

Quayle said...

Boy, has this lady been chained to the wall of a cave or what?

bagoh20 said...

As a future woman with government mandated health insurance, I want to know why my employer thinks I'm not sponge worthy.

Tim said...

If Plato had known the word "cave" was going to be used this way, he'd have most certainly found a different allegory.

chickenlittle said...

Anything that ladycave's want will now be a national imperative, the lack of which is Misogyny, and results in another National Conversation about how white mens hates the bajingos.

I just hope the "mancave" contingent doesn't chime in here. Mushrooms and polyps—eew!

Freeman Hunt said...

DBQ, just think of how superior it makes us men feel though. It's worth it. Lately, I'm feeling pretty good about my gender choice.

Just join Facebook.

There is no social pressure on women to think. Only to assert themselves.

Thank goodness for the many women who think anyway.

Freeman Hunt said...

You go, girl! Say whatever, woman! Don't even think! Just speak! Bwah! Zizzle zizzle zee! Bweee! Jah jah jih! Bleurrrrr, bleurrrrr! Doesn't make sense? Doesn't matter! Just bring it!

Seeing Red said...

Is the complaint the ha isnt hooing? Or the ha cant hoo if the ha had to dig deep for the bread?

rhhardin said...

Sarcasm is mostly the tool of women, used when there's nothing wrong that withstands having to make sense.

Chip Ahoy said...

I've studied the selection very carefully, but I did not yet get to the source.

The sample appears to be English. I'd bet on it. It shows certain hallmarks of that language, in certain areas, I think, and during a specific period, I think, and among a certain subculture, admittedly while ignoring more important broader canon. It's hard to tell for sure which period but it is almost certainly English, it is achingly similar, I would say derived.

The syntax is shot. The vocabulary apparently gravely distorted. Heavy use of euphemism, synonyms, and those stretched to include items outside the class even so far as to embrace antonyms. It shows a non rigid structure and it is highly idiosyncratic. It appears to obfuscate as much as communicate.

As far as the message conveyed, I haven't a solid clue. My first guess would be a elegy to the human condition, a cynical plea to God or a cry to Nature itself.

Saint Croix said...

Iowa Hawk, on the other hand, is always funny.

Freeman Hunt said...

Iowa Hawk, on the other hand, is always funny.

How did you link to LoafingOaf's brain?

Quaestor said...

Is Kari Ann Roy trying to be funny, or is she trying to draw the attention of Oliver Sachs? I understand the title of his next book is The Woman Who Mistook Her Hooha for a National Priority.

bagoh20 said...

Her point is that it's easier to give her what she wants than listen to her. Being generally weaker, the female has developed the primary power play of being dissatisfied. That always works, eventually, often immediately. Didn't Althouse try that one just today. She got her page views, didn't she?

Jim Bullock said...

Along with not terribly funny, it's just incorrect. Or am I confused?

1) Doesn't having "insurance" or worse "government programs" pay for va-jay-jay doctoring put *more* people in her underpants, like HHS Secretaries and treatment defining cabals?

We've see proposed reductions in girly-stuff treatments twice already.


2) Where does declining to pay for contraception equate to declining to pay for treatment for health issues. It's not an omission of a particular treatment, like hormone pills, but a particular diagnosis code.

We're talking about declining to create a medical diagnosis code of "doesn't want to get pregnant." Hormonal imbalances, cancers, and any other medical diagnosis code get covered as a health issue.

3) Unless she is poor and intends to stay poor, she's paying for it. Routing routine treatments or health care costs through some 3rd party gains nothing, unless you intend to take out more than you put in.

Quaestor said...

chickenlittle wrote:
Cave canem

I don't get it, chickenlittle, being in the doghouse means not being in the lady cave... unless the lady is... oh... Never mind, I get it! I get it!

Phil 3:14 said...

Receptionist:
How do you write women so well?

Melvin Udall:
I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.

Palladian said...

That God I'm a queer and my interactions with women are minimal.

cubanbob said...

Quaestor said...
Is Kari Ann Roy trying to be funny, or is she trying to draw the attention of Oliver Sachs? I understand the title of his next book is The Woman Who Mistook Her Hooha for a National Priority.

4/4/12 9:49 PM

Thread winner.

Or as Roissey would say to her husband, man up, stop being a beta and turn her out on the corner to earn her pills.

bagoh20 said...

All those things listed above from Louis Vuitton @ 9:46 will eventually also be covered by the ACA.

I just hope augmentation of my little white man is covered.

O.T. I hate these blogger "improvements".

Beta Rube said...

I thought the tiny white man in her underpants was replacing Keith Olbermann.

Palladian said...

What about a tiny white-hispanic man in her underpants?

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bagoh20 said...

"Thank God I'm a queer and my interactions with women are minimal."

Now that's really unfair, that a gay man will have to pay for her birth control.

"Just when I thought I was out...they pull me back in."

Palladian said...

bagoh2o, I like how Google/Blogger took an ugly but comprehensible, legible comments posting page (the beige and blue one of old), and replaced it with an ugly, incomprehensible, badly formatted, buggy and illegible version. Heckuva job, Google!

And I also like the fact that, despite the implementation of the torturous, buggy "Please prove you're not a robot" verification system, the spammers are still getting through, and at about the same frequency as they did with the single-word word verification system Blogger used to use.

Inefficient, irritating, burdensome and completely ineffective solutions to problems— I can see why Google is in bed with the Obama administration. Soulmates!

Palladian said...

"Just when I thought I was out...they pull me back in."

Eww.

SukieTawdry said...

That Tiny White Man is nothing compared to what the government will send to live in her underpants once it starts financing the upkeep on her splodey hoohaw.

Listen, she's convinced me. I'm willing to kick in for her birth control pills if it will prevent her from breeding. Ever. Should we take up a collection?

sleepless nights said...
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Lem said...

No refuge for a scoundrel under Kari Ann Roy's skirt.

Tim said...

"Listen, she's convinced me. I'm willing to kick in for her birth control pills if it will prevent her from breeding. Ever. Should we take up a collection?"

Too late. She's already spawned. She has a blog. There's a picture of her with what appears to be a boy, presumably hers. No mention of a father.

Which is not surprising once on takes a gander...I'm guessing turkey basters wilted at the task before them...but I could be wrong.

More to the point, I think she'd actually like a "Tiny White Man" to pay attention to her.

leslyn said...

I thought was hilarious. The thread comment I see here seems to be mostly men, except for DBQ, who doesn't seem to like talk about hoo-haws. So do all y'all guys realize you are acting like Tiny White Men? No, huh. That part escaped you.

Since the thread seems to be so Grinchlike, I'll lighten it up:

Rick Santorum: "Ladies--Stop your engines!"

Writ Small said...

Obamacare mandates everyone buys insurance or pays the penalty and that all insurance companies provide free contraceptives. The first part of the equation extracts big dollars from the young and distributes to everyone else. The second part ensures that sexually active young women are partially compensated. Really it is the healthy but unattractive and awkward young man who is well and truly fucked. By Obamacare I mean.

Das said...

re: McSweeny's (from whence comes this lovely little missive):

1. "McSweeny's" came on over a decade ago as a great new generation's literary publishing adventure. I always suspected that the McSweeny's venture was more of a political tract than a literary endeavour - this entry confirms that suspicion.

2. Beating up on the 'White Man' at this late date? Shows that you are swathed in a world of self reference beyond the reach of rational observation. Clitorectomies, burkhas, subjection to male imperatives...ah well, let's pick easy targets, easy enemies. We wouldn't want to engage with real oppression now would we. Better to beat up on the white patened leather shoe, checked pants republican white man of the brain-dead left's wilted imagination.

3. How disappointing that the highest profile 'youth' publishing venture of our day follows the Occupy, boomer template when it comes to satire, rebellion against the system, etc...yawn...where is the youthful rebellion against the boomer generation?

leslyn said...

Here's the solution to all your problems:

"I don't believe in birth control."
You don't have to use it

"I don't believe in abortion."
Then don't get one.

"I believe gay marriage is a sin."
Don't marry someone of the same sex,then.

"I want my kids to learn about creationism."
Take them to church.

leslyn said...

Das said:

3. How disappointing that the highest profile 'youth' publishing venture of our day follows the Occupy, boomer template when it comes to satire, rebellion against the system, etc...yawn...where is the youthful rebellion against the boomer generation?

I guess you don't realize that you're it. And that no one promised you you'd like it.

Your condescension is quite...condescending. Do you always live on a pedestal? How's the weather up there? Sounds cold.

leslyn said...

Here's the answer to all your problems:

"I don't believe in abortion."
Then don't have one.

"I don't believe in birth control."
You don't have to take it.

"I think gay marriage is a sin."
Don't get married to someone of the same sex then.

"I want my kids to learn about creationism."
Take them to church.

Tim said...

leslyn said...

"Here's the answer to all your problems:

"I don't believe in abortion."
Then don't have one.

"I don't believe in birth control."
You don't have to take it.

"I think gay marriage is a sin."
Don't get married to someone of the same sex then.

"I want my kids to learn about creationism."
Take them to church."


Odd that you should think those "all" of anyone's problems; odder still you left out real problems, like self-absorbed, selfish idiots wanting someone else to pay for their stuff, or those same self-absorbed, selfish idiots voting for politicians who will tax someone else, or borrow from future generations, to give those self-absorbed, selfish idiots stuff they didn't earn, or aren't responsible enough to take care of on their own.

leslyn said...

Talk to the hand.

Palladian said...

"I don't believe in murder."

Then don't murder anyone.

"I don't want to pay for some stupid woman's birth control pills."

Tough luck!

leslyn said...

Leslyn said,

The thread comment I see here seems to be mostly men, except for DBQ, who doesn't seem to like talk about hoo-haws.

Oops, sorry Allie, didn't see you there.

Palladian said...

I mean, I love paying for pills so heterosexuals can have consequence-free sex!

Ok, bitches, pay for my condoms so I can fuck hot guys in the ass. My penis is high-maintenance!

Palladian said...

Hey, non-breeding breeder women, I realize that I also need lube. I mean, it's a medical expense! Me and my guys could get hurt fucking each other without lube! Pay up, bitches!

leslyn said...

Did anyone happen to catch that the great portion of the post was about a serious medical condition and not about "consequence-free' sex? Anyone? Anyone?

I guess your attention took the day off.

BTW, what is the big deal about bp being prescribed and covered for these kinds of medical conditions?

I suspect that if one of your testicles swole up, you had a prescription plan, and your doctor gave you a script for "testicles swole-up meds" you'd expect to have it covered. Just because your jewels are capable of other functions doesn't mean they should be neglected.

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Palladian said...

Oh honey, you know that there is a distinction between medical (non-contraceptive) and non-medical (contraceptive) usage of COCP (estrogen/progestin). No one worth considering is arguing against insurance coverage of the non-contraceptive use of COCP. But that is not what you and your lady-friends are demanding. This argument, such as it is, is about coverage of COCP as contraception. To pretend otherwise is, of course, disingenuous.

But of course, disingenuous conflation of the issues is what you people do.

rhhardin said...

Medical insurance in general is the problem with health care, which women are not going to ever understand. Math is hard.

It's a free pill so you're better off taking it, even if it diverts resources from better uses.

The high taking of pills sends a price signal to the economy that more pills are needed, more people diverted to making pills, more pill machinery.

None of these things would be diverted if you had to pay what the pills cost, because you have a better use for your premium money. Your money would have then instead then send a signal to the economy about what you actually prefer.

So you wind up taking second best - the pill - because you don't have the option of the first best - whatever your premium money would have gone to.

Third party payments raise prices and divert resources from better uses.

Multiply that by 300 million people, add in lobbying and regulatory capture by pill suppliers, and it's a death spiral.

Against that, no doctor can stay in business charging more than patients are willing to pay, as in the 50s when people just paid the bills, and medical costs were an economic textbook example of selective pricing, since the service can't be transferred. The doctors charged according to the patient.

In fact there was a joke specialty "diseases of the rich" in medical school.

Christopher in MA said...

Pfft. I saw this days ago. Nonsensical, jejune snark from someone who thinks they're oh so clever. Pity garage is married (or so I understand). The two of them would probably hit it off comparing their Bush=Hitler and walker=Hitler buttons.

MacSweeney's is hit or miss when it comes to humor, but they're generally better than this tripe.

PogoПОССУМ said...

Bah! What дураков fools are here!

In Soviet Amerca, женщины women have everything from doctor and hospital they want for свободный free!

Finding it, well, that is трюк trick!

Good joke:
"You don't have pills?"

"We don't have operations: we are surgeons. Pharmacy across street doesn't have pills."

X said...

So what are we going to do, Tiny White Man in my Underpants?

I don't know. Let me ask the hooker in my wallet.

leslyn said...

Palladian said,

"This argument, such as it is, is about coverage of COCP as contraception. To pretend otherwise is, of course, disingenuous."

To pretend otherwise, is of course, disingenuous.

"But of course, disingenuous conflation of the issues is what you people do."

Which people? Women? Heterosexual women?

I'm always amused at the prevalence of the word "conflation" around here. It sounds like you're about to fart.


rhhardin said,

"In fact there was a joke specialty "diseases of the rich" in medical school."

Really? Did it include diseased ovaries?

X said...

the hooker in my wallet said if you were too irresponsible afford $3 a month contraception then you were also the type to dump the responsibility of supporting your bastard spawn on the taxpayers, so it's a pay me now or pay me later kind of thing.

damikesc said...
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damikesc said...

Did anyone happen to catch that the great portion of the post was about a serious medical condition and not about "consequence-free' sex

You mean the thing ALREADY covered by policies, including by the Catholic Church?

So you're saying the author doesn't know what they are talking about? If she isn't an idiot, can you explain the bitching if she already has what you claim she wants?

leslyn said...

"Already covered by policies" that are being argued against.

Tim said...

leslyn said...

"Already covered by policies" that are being argued against."

Well, we can address this two ways.

I can ask you for a citation to prove the point, which you will not be able to produce.

Or, we can cut to the chase, acknowledge you're just making shit up to troll, and acknowledge you're just another lefty tool short on knowledge.

Aridog said...

leslyn ... with aklldue respect, just who is "arguing against" medically required medication, including contraceptive meds for other than birth control?

I've never seen or heard that argument, but would appreciate a link to one or more if you have seen/heard it.

There are many other medications that can be medically necessary and covered by health insurance (in every case I know of) that are otherwise not covered for their original purposes or are not over-the-counter meds otherwise ... for one example; diphenhydramine (aka Benadryl) in it's original formulation. In short, you got an itchy nose, you pay for it, if for some sleep related disorders or other malady, it is an Rx and the insurance does, with small co-pay.

I seriously doubt any arguemewnt against BC pills for medically erequired use will gain any headway ... it is a fringe issue at best.

Aridog said...

Now, I just must get gross ... what is this allusion to "tiny" men in panties, "hoohahs" etc. etc? I suspect it is another extension of the theory I just linked to above.

Tim said...

Aridog said...

"leslyn ... with aklldue respect, just who is "arguing against" medically required medication, including contraceptive meds for other than birth control?"

No one is arguing against *medically required* drug prescriptions. leslyn will not produce a link to a credible citation because there isn't one.

Das said...

leslyn,

To borrow from a *great writer: the view, the weather, are great from up here.

(literary test: Which great writer?)

Darcy said...

I think the lady should take care of her own bajingo. Freedom, baby!

SGT Ted said...

Well, she pretty much just said that she deserves cash from other people, because she has a coochie.

A whore competes to earn her money and doesn't use coersion to get it from the john.

She's worse than a whore. A whore is more intellectually and morally honest. Whores pay for their own birth control too.

Yea I said it. Because its true. Put your big girl panties on and suck it up. Because thats what equality looks like. Men don't demand free shit for their junk.

How can you defend any person holding out their hand and telling other people to fork over money for their junk prevention plan?

SGT Ted said...

If the tiny white man says “You better put some ice on that” then whatever the tiny white man did is all good...right? Right?

Only when the rapist is a "staunch defender of womans rights" so much so that feminists openly declare that they would blow him for his political stances.

Kelly said...

Is that from The Onion?

SGT Ted said...

I'm feeling pretty good about my gender choice. I know it's not a choice yet, but wait for few years... bagoh20

Hey, its already a choice.

Unless you're a homosexual.

Then its hardwired and immutable.

NTTAWWT

Aridog said...

@Tim ... I am quite confident Leslyn will find nor cite any such arguments. I was just trying to be nice, suppressing my inner wise arse etc.

It's really a weak assertion to begin with, because of all the exception that prove the rule of coverage ... another one is "Prilosec" aka "Omeprazole" ... can be OTC or Rx depending upon use or medical requirement.

I really grow weary of this woman versus man debate....which is what the argument seems about to me. Now when we're done with the hoohah, can we go on to the prostate?

SGT Ted said...

It'll be covered, as well as having it transplanted into an elaborate landing strip with passenger terminals and a circular control tower garden.

That might qualify for a grant from the National Endowment for the Arts. Might as well tap as many pots of cash as you can, right?

leslyn said...

Das said...

leslyn, To borrow from a *great writer: the view, the weather, are great from up here.

(literary test: Which great writer?)


Sounds like Oscar Wilde. A guess. I'm trying not to chest by googling.

SGT Ted said...

Which is not surprising once on takes a gander...I'm guessing turkey basters wilted at the task before them...but I could be wrong.

26 years in the US Army, enlisted side.

There are plenty of guys that would hit that. Even if only to count coupe with his fellow soldiers over who has hit the nastiest skank after the least amount of alcohol.

SGT Ted said...

leslyn is pretty much a sexist feminist opportunist, here to muddy up the waters. She isnt being honest about this issue at all.

Jay said...

Oh yeah, "leslyn" is the latest incarnation of "love" which was the former handle of another poster...

Freeman Hunt said...

leslyn is probably on Facebook.

I could not have written a better example.

This is what mainstream feminism has become: encouraging women to talk but not encouraging them to have anything to say.

Christopher in MA said...

Jay - you mean leslyn is love / aka Jeremy / aka Gene, the basket-weaving professor at some
California clown college?

Ugh. It's like herpes simplex. They just don't go away.

Freeman Hunt said...

Jay - you mean leslyn is love / aka Jeremy / aka Gene, the basket-weaving professor at some
California clown college?


Maybe leslyn is a bad example then! Maybe she's a man trying to make women look ridiculous.

Tim said...

Aridog said...

"@Tim ... I am quite confident Leslyn will find nor cite any such arguments. I was just trying to be nice, suppressing my inner wise arse etc."

Oh, I had no doubt - just trying to goad leslyn into trying to answer...but it seems she's run off - can't handle big-boy arguments - you know, the ones built on facts.

Tim said...

"Maybe leslyn is a bad example then! Maybe she's a man trying to make women look ridiculous."

Thus, the definition of "moby" expands.

Oh, wait, not expands.

Lengthens.

Oops. Not that either.

My mind has become rigid.

Oh oh. I'm feeling turgid.

I better stop.

Blue@9 said...

I've never seen or heard that argument, but would appreciate a link to one or more if you have seen/heard it

Well duh. It's a manufactured argument so the Democrats can claim to fight an imagined "War Against Women."

If they were to acknowledge that this debate is about contraception, they might also have to concede that Rush Limbaugh had a point. And we know that will never happen.

Blue@9 said...

1. "McSweeny's" came on over a decade ago as a great new generation's literary publishing adventure. I always suspected that the McSweeny's venture was more of a political tract than a literary endeavour - this entry confirms that suspicion.

Nah, McSweeney's is quality, IMO. Their political bent is unsurprising... I wouldn't write off their publications just because of a few things like this.

leslyn said...

February 28, 2012, before the House Judiciary Committee. Here is the exchange between Asma Uddin, an attorney from the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, and Chairman Lamar Smith (R-TX):

SMITH: What are other examples, what else could the government force religious organizations to provide if this mandate were to remain in effect as is unchanged.

"UDDIN: Well, I mean, this mandate has been justified on the basis of the fact that there’s health benefits to providing contraceptives. But the issue of health benefits is not the point."



"Catholic university in Ohio ends birth control coverage."

Tue Apr 3, 2012 6:50pm EDT (Reuters) -Xavier University, one of the oldest Roman Catholic colleges in the United States, will cut off birth-control coverage for its employees in July, a move that has divided faculty members and students on the Cincinnati campus....

"How it was handled ... (made it) seem more political, like they were trying to make a statement, rather than it being in the interest of their employees," said Jimmy Geiser, a junior majoring in philosophy.

Though she would not speculate as to why the university president made his decision, Dorothy Engle, chairwoman of the biology department, said she and many colleagues found the timing suspect. "It seems unusual to change the healthcare plan in the middle of the year," rather than wait until the open enrollment period when employees could sign on to a spouse's plan or look for other coverage, Engle said.

Xavier, which was founded in 1831 and serves 7,000 students, has a strong academic reputation. Engle, who has been a faculty member for more than 20 years, said the university has also been known for its "ecumenical" feel, welcoming students and faculty of all religions and encouraging lively discussions about faith. "It's always been very open," she said. "That's why it's a surprise that health insurance benefits would become an issue."

Some Catholic education experts said they hoped other colleges would follow Xavier's lead. "This is a very positive move," said Patrick Reilly, president of the Cardinal Newman Society, which pushes Catholic colleges to stay true to the church's teachings.

Tim said...

Crimminy - proof positive leslyn is a woman...first the argument is over coverage for contraceptives...then she shifts the argument to coverage for the pill for *medical* reasons...and then, finding no support that anyone is talking about taking away coverage for the pill for *medical* reasons, comes up with a link proving the first point - that no one should have to pay for anyone else's contraception if they don't want to - especially if it conflicts with their religious values.

Really. Try to think, rather than emote. Life might be easier.

Tim said...

With all due apologies to all the women out there who actually can and do *think*.

leslyn said...

What did you think the opposition to bc was going to do? Require that a woman produce a doctor's note before they can have bc for--I'll call it--non-contraceptive reasons?

Coverage is coverage, and no coverage is no coverage.

NOW. If you want to go off on an argument about whether or not coverage should be free, I'm joy inclined. Just not interested.

Sigivald said...

"... needs cash, big time".

That is, pardon the pun, the money graf.

Whose money?

Why, someone else's money, naturally.

Because biology demands it and to balk means you're anti-woman.

Because it needs cash. Inherently.

(And something about race? Because otherwise why "white man"?)

Sigivald said...

Leslyn said: "I don't believe in abortion."
Then don't have one.

"I don't believe in birth control."
You don't have to take it.


How about I don't believe I should have to pay for anyone else's any of that?

I think birth control is great.

But just like many things I think are great, I don't see how that means it must be provided gratis on someone else's dime.

(And the problem with the abortion comparison is that the people who "don't believe in abortion" don't just "think abortions are icky" - they think they are literally morally equivalent to murder.

Telling them "just sit back and watch what you see as an enormous, nay, monstrous injustice go on, because you don't have to participate in it directly" is unsurprisingly ineffective.

I'm not in that camp, but I at least understand their point of view - which is more than anyone who's ever parroted that bumpersticker slogan can say.)

leslyn said...

If you want to revert the arguement to whether bc should be free, I'm not inclined. Just not interested.

leslyn said...

What did you think, that somehow a woman could bring a note from her doctor attesting that she needed the bc for "medical" reasons and the employer would decide or not? "No pills for you!"

Coverage is coverage, and no coverage is no coverage.

Tim said...

"(And the problem with the abortion comparison is that the people who "don't believe in abortion" don't just "think abortions are icky" - they think they are literally morally equivalent to murder.

Telling them "just sit back and watch what you see as an enormous, nay, monstrous injustice go on, because you don't have to participate in it directly" is unsurprisingly ineffective."


I don't believe in slavery.

leslyn says, "Then don't own one."

I don't believe in murder.

leslyn says, "Then don't commit one."

I don't believe in robbery.

leslyn says, "Then don't commit one."

I don't believe in rape.

leslyn says, "Then don't commit one."

...

leslyn said...

What did you think? That the opposition to bc would--what--have a woman bring in a doctor's note attesting that she needed bc for non-contraceptive reasons, and the employer would decide whether or not she gets it? bc nazi: "No pills for you!"

Coverage is coverage, and no coverage is no coverage.

damikesc said...

February 28, 2012, before the House Judiciary Committee. Here is the exchange between Asma Uddin, an attorney from the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, and Chairman Lamar Smith (R-TX):

Nothing you pasted indicated that they would not cover BCP for medical reasons.

What did you think? That the opposition to bc would--what--have a woman bring in a doctor's note attesting that she needed bc for non-contraceptive reasons, and the employer would decide whether or not she gets it? bc nazi: "No pills for you!"

Basically.

If your doctor won't claim that it is medically necessary, then NOBODY should HAVE to cover it.

If you can't afford to screw around, don't expect me to pay for it for you.

leslyn said...

damikesc:

You're "conflating" the "bc should be covered AND free" issue with "bc should be covered."

Ha ha! I think "inflating" sounds like a fart!

Freeman Hunt said...
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leslyn said...

Dang! Even my autospeller thinks "conflating" sounds like a fart! It didn't let me use it.

Freeman Hunt said...
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damikesc said...

You're "conflating" the "bc should be covered AND free" issue with "bc should be covered."

It is all tied into "SOMEBODY SHOULD PAY FOR MY BC". If it isn't covered, then pay for your own.

Which is shit on fire.

leslyn said...

Huh. Mr. Hunt, I've don't recall seeing a medical purpose put on my prescriptions. Only the name of the drug, dosage, and frequency of use and refill.

I'll have to look very closely next time.

leslyn said...

damikesc:

It's all tied together for you but not for me.

Can we agree to disagree?

damikesc said...

It's all tied together for you but not for me.

Can we agree to disagree?


I don't care if you disagree. If you cannot pay for your own, then don't sleep around. If it is actually medical, then it will be covered.

There isn't a topic beyond that point.

pdn said...

As my 14 year old son would say, (never having heard the term from his parents before), "Mom, they are not mean, or bad, ---- they are just vulgar".