April 16, 2012

64% of likely voters think voter fraud is a problem and 74% think voter ID laws don't discriminate.

According to a new Rasmussen poll.
This includes 35% who consider it a Very Serious problem and seven percent (7%) who view it as Not At All Serious....

Eighty-two percent (82%) believe all voters should be required to prove their identity before being allowed to vote. Only 14% oppose such a requirement.

Just 21% think laws requiring photo identification at the polls discriminate against some voters. Seventy-three percent (73%) disagree and feel that such laws do not discriminate.
Support for voter ID laws has increased over the years. It was 72% in June 2006 (as opposed to 82% today). The notion that these laws are discriminatory is losing ground. Last month, 67% said the laws don't discriminate, and 73% say that now.
Most voters across partisan lines express confidence in election results, but Democrats are more confident than the others. A plurality (49%) of voters in President Obama’s party consider voter fraud a serious problem in America today, but that compares to 84% of Republicans and 58% of voters not affiliated with either of the major parties.
What accounts for that split? Do people feel more confident that the voting is accurate if they think the fraudulent votes, if any, are coming in on their side? (And conversely, that people worry about fraud when they picture the bad votes counting for the other side?)

Will this poll make Democrats think they should abandon their attacks on voter ID laws? I don't think so. Whatever people think consciously when asked these poll questions, the issue works as a way to keep massaging brains with the message that racial discrimination is ever out there, ready to burst forth, unless constant vigilance is maintained, and only the Democratic Party will maintain that vigilance for you. After all, they keep talking about these terrible voter ID laws. 

95 comments:

Scott M said...

This includes 35% who consider it a Very Serious problem and seven percent (7%) who view it as Not At All Serious....

Garage is a 7-percenter?

Also, we don't see totals of voter support in the 80's much anymore. The next time some pol or pundit opposing Voter ID uses "the will of the people" in any context, this situation should be asked of them.

Expat(ish) said...

What always strikes me is that somehow people can convince themselves that this is the ONLY area where there is no fraud. And if there is fraud, which they don't believe, then it isn't important because it wouldn't change anything.

That might be a nice world to live in, but I can't think of any other area without fraud and where there aren't ever increasing efforts to combat it.

-XC

Andy R. said...

Everyone knows that Republicans are making a conscious effort to make it harder for traditionally democratic leaning constituencies to vote.

wildswan said...

Cheating in big cities was accepted as a part of the political facts of life until effective reform began. Now suddenly it's never been heard of, never been done. I was taught to vote as a civic duty by my Wisconsin mother and my Boston father would add "vote - early and often"

rcocean said...

This is one of those tedious, dishonest issues. Everyone knows its no big deal to show ID in order to vote, but the Democrats keep crying RACISS!!! because all the voter fraud benefits them.

Its also why they keep wanting felons to vote. 90 percent of all crooks are Democrats.

edutcher said...

Voter ID laws are mostly about curbing the abuses of ACORN and SEIU, so the Demos naturally have more of a problem with it.

Opposing them is one of the ways the Demos Hispander.

Or at least try to.

The fact that, over all, people don't have a problem with them means even Hispanics view these laws as reasonable.

And, of course, this won't stop the Demos from trying to make an issue out of them.

Andy R. said...

Everyone knows that Republicans are making a conscious effort to make it harder for traditionally democratic leaning constituencies to vote

Ah, yes, those "undocumented Americans" Harry Reid told us about.

Alex said...

Put Andy in as a dead-ender, Hitler-in-the-bunker type.

Scott M said...

Everyone knows that Republicans are making a conscious effort to make it harder for traditionally democratic leaning constituencies to vote.

Everyone knows that the ATF make a conscious effort to make it harder for traditionally Democrat-leaning constituencies to buy cigarettes, liquor, set up utilities, enter town hall meetings where politicians that oppose Voter ID laws are speaking, etc.

Good point, Andy.

garage mahal said...

Its also why they keep wanting felons to vote. 90 percent of all crooks are Democrats


The people committing voter fraud in the news recently are Republicans in Indiana, and idiot right wingers like James O'Keefe. Not to mention the entire Republican caucus clusterfuck. How many delegates were stolen from Ron Paul and Santorum?

Hoosier Daddy said...

Was out on a business trip all week and had to show my ID numerous times. Airport, checking in at the hotel, car rental place and even at a bar which had an ID everyone policy. Saw a lot of elderly and minority people at these placed so I wonder how they got around the ID requirements since liberals keep saying its too difficult for them to obtain.

Kit said...

Where is all this fraud that the id's would, supposedly take care of? Show me it's a problem and make access to registration/id a whole lot more readily available, I'll support it.

edutcher said...

Isn't it the Lefties that want a national identity card?

Hoosier Daddy said...

Had to show my ID at my own bank to withdraw money from my own account. Can you fucking believe the nerve of them?

Scott M said...

How many delegates were stolen from Ron Paul and Santorum?

I dunno. How many Michigan and Florida delegates were allocated to Hillary and Obama in 2008 despite clear violations of the DNC's rules?

X said...

Everyone knows that Republicans are making a conscious effort to make it harder for traditionally democratic leaning constituencies to vote twice.

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The Drill SGT said...

if only 14% of the likely voters are against an ID check, what does it tell you about the racial split?

after all, there HAVE to be a fair number of rabid white Dems built into that 14%. That implies to me that the 14% can't just be Blacks motivated by memories of Jim Crow and the Racial Justice NAN guys.

It implies to me that perhaps half the Blacks and many more than half the Hispanics think IDs are good.

let me hypothesize the racial cross tabs

Overall Demographic
70% white (700)
13% Black (130)
12% Hispanic (120)
5% Asian (50)

14% against ID's (140)
8% of whites (56)
44% of Blacks (56)
20% of Hispanics (24)
8% of Asians (4)

MadisonMan said...

If voter fraud has been a big deal in Wisconsin, it should be able to show that the new law has cut down on it, using the results from this coming Presidential election vs. the previous one.

Will anyone actually do that? Doubt it. So much easier to make the claim than to prove it.

Hoosier Daddy said...

"... The people committing voter fraud in the news recently are Republicans in Indiana,.."

Actually if you are referring to Mcintosh, his residency is what is in question. And interestingly enough, another GOP candidate pointed out that Mcintosh has a VA drivers license.

Then again there are four Democrat officials from South Bend charged with forging primary petitions. But since they're Democrats, that's ok right garage?

Lucien said...

Since it is now settled that the Second Amendment protects the individual's right to keep and bear arms, I'm sure that Attorney General Holder and others on the left end of our political spectrum oppose requiring ID in order to purchase a handgun, don't they? Otherwise the government would be unduly burdening the Second Amendment rights of the poor, minorities, and students, wouldn't it?

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Mitchell said...

You can make a credit card purchase less than $50 and Home Depot doesn't want even so much as a signature so there must be something afoot.

Hoosier Daddy said...

"... Show me it's a problem and make access to registration/id a whole lot more readily available, I'll support it..."

Is it that hard to get to the BMV?

Seriously, many basic financial transactions require a photo ID but now suddenly needing to show one every 2-4 years is some kind of insurmountable task?

Sorry but methinks you all protest too much

Paddy O said...

"a conscious effort to make it harder for traditionally democratic leaning constituencies to vote."

Noncitizens? Yes, Republicans are making it harder for them to vote.

Tank said...

Kit said...
Where is all this fraud that the id's would, supposedly take care of? Show me it's a problem and make access to registration/id a whole lot more readily available, I'll support it.



If you can't figure out how to register and obtain ID, please do not vote. Yiiii. What is this, the idiot lobby?

garage mahal said...

Actually if you are referring to Mcintosh, his residency is what is in question.

Mcintosh and Lugar voted illegally right, with photo ID?

machine said...

In its fumbling attempts to explain the purge of US attorneys, the Bush administration argued that the fired prosecutors were not aggressive enough about addressing voter fraud. It was a phony argument as there was no evidence that any of them ignored real instances of voter fraud. But more than that, it is a window on what may be a major reason for some of the firings.

In partisan Republican circles, the pursuit of voter fraud is code for suppressing the votes of minorities and poor people. By resisting pressure to crack down on “fraud,” the fired US attorneys actually appear to have been standing up for the integrity of the election system."

John McKay, one of the fired attorneys, says he was pressured by Republicans to bring voter fraud charges after the 2004 Washington governor’s race, which a Democrat, Christine Gregoire, won after two recounts. Republicans were trying to overturn an election result they did not like, but Mr. McKay refused to go along. “There was no evidence,” he said, “and I am not going to drag innocent people in front of a grand jury.”

machine said...

"One of the dismissed prosecutors has revealed that he was pressured by Republican officials to target the advocacy group ACORN for voter fraud. ACORN was working on a voter registration drive in low-income and largely minority neighborhoods in New Mexico. David Iglesias told Newsweek that he found no case worth bringing against ACORN. But that apparently did not please the White House. Last week Attorney General Alberto Gonzales's ex-chief of staff D. Kyle Sampson testified that during the run-up to the mid-term election White House adviser Karl Rove complained that Iglesias and two other U.S. Attorneys had not done enough to prosecute so-called voter fraud."


You all work for Karl Rove...

Paddy O said...

"is code"

Meaning, it isn't actually about denying the vote to the poor or minorities, but if we make it a code then we can decode the code to fit whatever narrative we want to attach.

Hoosier Daddy said...

"... Mcintosh and Lugar voted illegally right, with photo ID?.."

Actually I don't know if they voted at all. The issues being raised is their residency. That's not a difficult matter to uncover.

If hes not Hoosier resident he should be disqualified to run here. I don't believe in fraud regardless of political affiliation. YMMV.

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Dust Bunny Queen said...

Everyone knows that Republicans are making a conscious effort to make it harder for traditionally democratic leaning constituencies to vote.

Right! Because as EVERYONE knows that democrat voters are too stupid to be able to get identification, even when it is free.

Democrats are sooooo stupid they can't drive cars and have no driver's licenses.

They are also unable to rent movies, rent cars, ride on airplanes, cash checks, open bank accounts and many more daily routine activites that the rest of us more fortunately intellectually endowed Republicans can do.

Yes indeed. Asking voters to have proper identification is nothing more than an eveeeeel Republican plot against people too stupid to obtain ID.

Bwhahahahaha!!

Note: I'd better make sure that hat boy understands that I wasn't serious about it being a plot. Since he is one of those dim democrat leaning voters, we have to be very sure not to discriminate against him because of his disability of being terminally stupid.

damikesc said...

Everyone knows that Republicans are making a conscious effort to make it harder for traditionally democratic leaning constituencies to vote.

Republicans consist of 82% of the electorate?

The people committing voter fraud in the news recently are Republicans in Indiana, and idiot right wingers like James O'Keefe

Think carefully --- what fraud did O'Keefe or anybody associated with him actually commit?

Where is all this fraud that the id's would, supposedly take care of?

So, for you, the ONLY part of human life where fraud cannot occur is in voting? Really?

Show me it's a problem and make access to registration/id a whole lot more readily available, I'll support it.

How much easier can they make it? Do you expect somebody to hold your dick for you while you go to the bathroom?

garage mahal said...

The diff. won't be enough to change the outcome of an election.

Republicans wouldn't be bothering with the voter ID laws, defending them in court, if they didn't think it could tip an election.

bgates said...

traditionally democratic leaning constituencies

- the deceased, foreigners, people who voted earlier in the day, members of the Fictitious-American community (Mickey Mouse &c)....

Show me it's a problem

Do you lock your car? Or do you tell yourself each day that there's no proof that that specific car has been stolen from that specific spot, so it must be perfectly safe.

bgates said...

Republicans wouldn't be bothering with the voter ID laws, defending them in court, if they didn't think it could tip an election.

Whereas Democrats are suing to get the laws overturned because they want to faithfully represent the small fraction of the citizenry who oppose such laws.

Defenseman Emeritus said...

Republicans wouldn't be bothering with the voter ID laws, defending them in court, if they didn't think it could tip an election.

That's exactly right, but not in the disenfranchisement way you're implying. Rather, eliminating Democrat voter fraud in any given election could potentially be the difference between a legitimate Republican win and a fraudulent Democrat win.

MayBee said...

According to this, you need to prove your id and address to vote in Canada:

Everyone who votes must prove their identity and address. This page lists all the types of proof of identity and address accepted at the polls.

Here are some of the ways you can prove your identity and address at the polls:

To prove your identity (name), you can show a piece of ID with your name on it, like a fishing license, library card, social insurance card (SIN card), birth certificate or Veterans Affairs Canada Health Identification Card.
To prove your address, you can show an official letter called an "Attestation of Residence." If you have gone to a shelter for food or lodging, you can ask the shelter administrator for this letter.
If you don't have documents to prove your identity and address, you can take an oath and get someone you know to vouch for you. That person has to be an eligible elector in the same polling division as you, and he or she must show authorized documents that prove his or her identity and address.


Maybe Canuck just thinks Americans aren't as capable as Canadians.

jimspice said...

A majority of people also believe Napoleon was short, a cow caused the Great Chicago Fire, the Great Wall of China is visible from space and lemmings commit mass suicide.

Justin said...

I'm typically not a big fan of polls but I think this sounds right. I consider myself a slightly-left-of-center moderate, and do not oppose these laws so long as the requisite identification is free and can be obtained relatively easily. Maybe ACORN, etc., should focus more on helping people get the identifications and less on lawsuits, because I think at this point it's pretty clear that these laws are here to stay.

Thorley Winston said...

To prove your identity (name), you can show a piece of ID with your name on it, like a fishing license, library card, social insurance card (SIN card), birth certificate or Veterans Affairs Canada Health Identification Card.
Shouldn’t they have to show something with their picture on it? My library cards don’t have my photo on them nor did my fishing license the last time I bought one.

Rusty said...

Andy R. said...
Everyone knows that Republicans are making a conscious effort to make it harder for traditionally democratic leaning constituencies to vote.



No Andy. Just everyone in that little black and white cartoon you have running in your head.

Justin said...

My library cards don’t have my photo on them nor did my fishing license the last time I bought one.

I think you typically have to show a photo i.d. in the first instance to obtain a library card or fishing license. So I'm okay with that counting for identification purposes. Requiring any kind of government issued i.d., regardless of whether there's a photo on it, will go a long way to curb voter fraud.

Joe said...

Voter ID laws are discriminatory; against people to stupid and lazy to get a photo ID.

Everyone knows that Republicans are making a conscious effort to make it harder for traditionally democratic leaning constituencies to vote.

Yes, the dead and those who manage to live in many places at once.

Original Mike said...

"Everyone knows that Republicans are making a conscious effort to make it harder for traditionally democratic leaning constituencies to vote."

Everybody knows that Democrats oppose Voter ID because they benefit from electoral fraud.

garage mahal said...

Everybody knows that Democrats oppose Voter ID because they benefit from electoral fraud

Minorities and the poor voting = election fraud. Righties can't quite come out and say that, although a few are honest enough about it.

Original Mike said...

"A majority of people also believe Napoleon was short, a cow caused the Great Chicago Fire, the Great Wall of China is visible from space and lemmings commit mass suicide."

The Great Wall of China from space.

bgates said...

A majority of people also believe

so Democrats are justified in cheating in elections because most people are stupid anyway.

Rusty said...

garage mahal said...
The diff. won't be enough to change the outcome of an election.

Republicans wouldn't be bothering with the voter ID laws, defending them in court, if they didn't think it could tip an election.



The corollary of that would be; Democrats would be bothering with voter ID laws, defending them in court if they thought it could tip an election.
Democrats don't because they already know how to steal an election. And do.

dreams said...

For every illegal voter there is a disenfranchise voter.

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Michael said...

The progressive stance on this topic is insulting to minorities and the voting poor. There is no other explanation than liberals believe the cohorts they pretend to protect are too weak to protect themselves and too stupid and lazy to arm themselves with free and simple photo identification. It is appalling that this contempt is coupled with sanctimony.

Hoosier Daddy said...

"... Minorities and the poor voting = election fraud."

Funny cause only the lefties are saying that. The law requires everyone to show ID, not just minorities and the 'poor'.

MayBee said...

I think registering to vote is the easiest thing in the world and certainly doesn't need to be made easier. If it were me, third parties unknown to the registrant wouldn't be allowed to handle the registrations at all.

Canuck, I don't know what you are talking about with the 48 hours thing, but it's quite common (and necessary) to have a registration deadline well before the election.
If you can't check a registration for validity, what good is it?

MayBee said...

For example, California, which has ridiculously few restrictions, gives a 2 week deadline for registration before an election.

Original Mike said...

I think Althouse is right. The primary purpose for the Democrat's position is so they can tag the Republicans as racists and themselves as defenders of minorities.

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Hoosier Daddy said...

"... There is no other explanation than liberals believe the cohorts they pretend to protect are too weak to protect themselves and too stupid and lazy to arm themselves with free and simple photo identification..."

Well that's pretty much the basis for contemporary liberalism in this country. It takes a village and all that.

The belief that minorities and the poor are incapable of obtaining a photo ID is simply laughable. An Indiana drivers license costs $20. A state ID card is $13 and for 65 and older its $10. A voter ID card is free.

Original Mike said...

Is it not the case that the Wisconsin Voter ID law provides for a provisional ballot in the case that the voter can not provide a photo ID?

John said...

Down south here we have voter ID cards issued by the state electoral commission. Heavy duty plastic, holograms, picture, encrypted barcodes and the works.

Pretty tamper proof.

If you do not have one you not only can't vote, I don't think you can even register to vote.

And yet we routinely get 80%+ turnout in our elections.

We also have paper ballots and UV specific finger ink.

We still get crappy politicians but in 40 years I don't recall any serious allegations of fraud. It is not even a joke here as it seems to be in most of the northern states "Vote early, vote often", "Election day when the dead rise from the grave" and so on.

I fail to see what the big deal it about voter ID.

In some (all?) states police departments will issue IDs, sort of a non-driver driver's license. Does anyone know how much these cost? My understanding is that they are pretty cheap but I do not know.

My understanding also is that they are pretty easy to get, but again don't know.

Anyone have any details?

John Henry

X said...

jimspice, Tom Cruise and Bill Maher agree with you that only stupid Americans think 5'6" is short.

Original Mike said...

Why does JimSpice want all those stupid Americans to vote?

Fen said...

Libtard: the pursuit of voter fraud is code for suppressing the votes of minorities and poor people.

Ah yes, a gem from the same Libtards who think the Martin shooting was a hatecrime.

Original Mike said...

Whenever I hear "X is code for ...", I stop listening.

Hoosier Daddy said...

"... I think Althouse is right. The primary purpose for the Democrat's position is so they can tag the Republicans as racists and themselves as defenders of minorities..."

Which is rather insulting considering that they think minorities are incapable of obtaining an item that a sixteen year old can get.

That's a sad constituency that continually supports a party that believes they can't do anything without a government support mechanism.

Original Mike said...

@Hoosier - Yeah, I'd be insulted.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

People reveal themselves with what they do, not what they say.

Maybee: What do you say? I am French, of course.


I thought you were Canadian.

Voting is an awesome privilege and responsibility.

It shouldn't be either difficult OR be extremely easy. The registration of the voter is something that needs to be verified for authenticity and to prevent fraud.

If that process takes a week or so.....well that is just part of the responsibility of the voter. It is your duty to take the time and be prepared.

It isn't as if there weren't plenty of warning and time before the elections to get yourself registered. With very VERY few acceptable exceptions is there ever a need to register the day of the election.

The rest of those who didn't register are careless,lazy and irresponsible. Perhaps they shouldn't be voting if they can't do something as simple as get registered. There is plenty of helpful organizations out there to accomplish this and it isn't costly at all. In fact.....it is free.

AJ Lynch said...

From Wikipedia:

"In Mexico, there is a general electoral census. Any citizen of age 18 or greater must go to an electoral office in order be registered into the electoral census. Citizens receive a voting card (credencial de elector con fotografĂ­a), issued by the Federal Electoral Institute (IFE) that must be shown to vote in any election. The voting card also serves as a national identity document."

Hoosier Daddy said...

"... Why does JimSpice want all those stupid Americans to vote?.."

Well if they didn't Democrats would never win an election.

Damn O Mike. That barely made it over the plate

;-)

Blue@9 said...

Where is all this fraud that the id's would, supposedly take care of?

Kind of hard to get statistics on a virtually undetectable crime. When registration requires no confirmation and neither does voting, it's kind of hard to figure out if the person who voted was actually the person on the list.

It's not like it's rare to find instances of ineligible people on voter rolls. Or dead people. Or instances where more votes are cast than registered voters.

Minorities and the poor voting = election fraud. Righties can't quite come out and say that, although a few are honest enough about it.

Minorities and the poor are too dumb to get IDs? Strange, I live in a neighborhood with quite a lot of poor minorities, and they all seem to have ID to buy beer and cigarettes, even the ones I know are undocumented.

Original Mike said...

"Damn O Mike. That barely made it over the plate"

Clearly, I'm in need of relief.

Scott M said...

Clearly, I'm in need of relief.

Tell them you're a secret service agent and make sure you've got the damned $47.

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John said...

AJ Lynch

The Mexican card sounds sort of like ours. the big exception is that our voter ID card cannot be used as a general identity card. It can only be used for voting and related matters (change of address or such)

Not sure the reason why it can't legally be used as general ID.

John Henry

Dust Bunny Queen said...

The League of Women Voters pulled their registration efforts out of Florida. Too bad so sad. Cui Bono?

"It imposed new rules on groups that conduct voter registration drives, including fining them each time a volunteer does not turn in a voter registration form within 48 hours. That section has prompted the League of Women Voters to stop registering new voters in Florida."

Oh boo fucking hoo.

They have to play by the rules and decided it was too much work to turn in forms within two days. So they flounce off in a huff.

Give me a break. This isn't voter intimidation. It is morons not able to comply with the rules.

damikesc said...

The League of Women Voters pulled their registration efforts out of Florida. Too bad so sad. Cui Bono?

Work is hard. I cannot imagine the agonizing torture of having to hand in registration forms within 48 hours.

I could be mean and say men would have still done the job and tie it in to further dismantling the myth of a wage gap, but it isn't necessary and plenty of women here have the ethics to not just quit something once it ceased being nothing but butterflies and cotton candy.

damikesc said...

Give me a break. This isn't voter intimidation. It is morons not able to comply with the rules.

I love that mentality, DBQ. The same people mourning the loss of the LWV from FL think that asking businesses to comply with 60,000 new pages of regulations a year is no big deal.

MayBee said...

I don't see why a third party should be able to handle a completed voter registration form. It has all the information an identity thief would ever need. Plus, there's too much room for shenanigans.
Why can't the League of Women Voters pass out blank voter registration forms, postage paid, and let the registrant fill it out and mail it in?

AJ Lynch said...

I think the LWV jumped the shark a while ago and is now nothing more than just another librul group.

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Tyrone Slothrop said...

Andy R. said...

Everyone knows that Republicans are making a conscious effort to make it harder for traditionally democratic leaning constituencies to vote.


Always suspected, but it's good to have confirmation-- felons, the dead, illegal aliens--"traditionally democratic leaning constituencies" all.

K.C. said...

"Everyone knows that Republicans are making a conscious effort to make it harder for traditionally democratic leaning constituencies to vote."

Are you implying that minorities like myself, are either too ignorant or lazy to get an ID???

Reliapundit said...

HI ANN.

YOU WROTE:

the issue works as a way to keep massaging brains with the message that racial discrimination is ever out there, ready to burst forth, unless constant vigilance is maintained, and only the Democratic Party will maintain that vigilance for you.

I DISAGREE.

ATTACKING VOTER ID IS NOT A MEANS TO IMPROVE GOTV.

THEY ATTACK IT BECAUSE THEY NEED LAX LAWS TO STEAL ELECTIONS.

Nora said...

The irony of the voter ID peeves brought by the Democrates is that whatever reason they bring forward that prevents people from obtaining ID, are also good reasons for the same people to be unable, or unwilling, to vote.

Curious George said...

Let's turn this around...prove to me that voter ID disfranchment is rammant and we can talk about repeal of this law.

We here all the time of the hundreds of thousands of people that are disfranchised...yet they remain nameless. Sure there's the one old lady who has an issue with her birth certificate and is unwilling to part with the $100 to get it fixed...and the asshole who actually has a photo ID but wanted to use his veterans ID. That's it? "Hundreds of thousands" of disfranchised voters and that is all you can come up with? Jim Doyle used to talk qbout his 80 year old mom...hey asshole, drive her to the DMV!

Michael said...

K. C. No, they are not "implying"you are lazy and stupid, they are saying it to your face, shouting it actually.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

I asked cui bono.

The benefit of a good voter ID law and registration verification is to all of those voters who DO abide by the laws.

When you have students voting in their college town and in their home town it negates the votes of a responsible voters.

The more illegal, fake, dead votes that are cast, the more it disenfranchises the law abiding citizens.

The less confidence the voters have that the process is actually legal, fair and not corrupt, the less confidence they have in their so called representatives.

When this happens the next step is to totally ignore and even revolt against the fake leaders who were elected by fraud.

Who benefits? We all do.

MadisonMan said...

Let's turn this around...prove to me that voter ID disfranchment is rampant and we can talk about repeal of this law

That's Big Government think: Prove the laws we enact are onerous and we'll repeal them. Otherwise, here are some laws, and a whole bunch of bureaucrats to oversee them.

You should have to prove laws are actually needed, and do no harm, before you enact them.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

You should have to prove laws are actually needed, and do no harm, before you enact them.

Yes. Starting with ObamaCare.

If we did this.....Congress and the political class would have no reason to exist.

I like it :-D

Brennan said...

Everyone knows that Republicans are making a conscious effort to make it harder for traditionally democratic leaning constituencies to vote

Artur Davis seems to disagree. He says that voter id would be helpful to Democratic Party voters. Particularly in primary races where, he says, voter fraud is rampant.

As a former Chicagoan, Artur is most certainly on to something.

SGT Ted said...

and the asshole who actually has a photo ID but wanted to use his veterans ID

And it wasn't even his veterans ID but his VA quick check in card for VA hospitals. Non-citizens have those too, if theyve served in the Military.

Voter ID disenfranchises Dead Democrats. Black men die earlier than others, therefor voter ID is racist

SGT Ted said...

Seriously, many basic financial transactions require a photo ID but now suddenly needing to show one every 2-4 years is some kind of insurmountable task?

Sorry but methinks you all protest too much.


Well, it shows that opposition to voter ID is bullshit, when you actually think about it and not emote about imaginary GOP racists.

Steve Koch said...

MadisonMan said...

"You should have to prove laws are actually needed, and do no harm, before you enact them."

Haha, you're OK with ObamaCare taking over one sixth of the economy but showing a photo ID when you vote is too intrusive? Ha ha, how very hacktivist of you.

MadMan, are you pretending that dems don't routinely commit voter fraud and cheat in elections? Ever hear of Acorn (they operated in many states)? IIRC, they are still around but changed their name.

You think that requiring voters to show a photo ID to prevent voter fraud is a bad idea? Only the hard core dems think that way, the dems that are willing to cheat to win an election and know that voter ID laws will make it more difficult for them to cheat. Americans are overwhelmingly for voter ID laws for good reason.

For those who think it is important to protect the integrity of elections in the USA, read John Fund's book about election fraud in the USA.

Steve Koch said...

It is telling that dems are not at all worried about voter fraud by the GOP. Makes sense since the GOP cheating, if any, is orders of magnitude less than dem election cheating.

damikesc said...

You should have to prove laws are actually needed, and do no harm, before you enact them.

If the law is "We don't check ID" --- getting evidence of fraud is nearly impossible.

Hasn't O'Keefe's people demonstrated how easy it is to get a fraudulent ballot? Heck, they never even CLAIMED to be the people they were offered ballots for.