March 30, 2012

Retweet the Right Thing.

Next time Spike "Do The Right Thing" Lee does racial politics on Twitter, perhaps he'll be a little more more circumspect. He was certainly clever to settle quickly with that elderly couple who fell victim to his impetuousness:
Elaine and David McClain are in their 70s and say they have a son named William George Zimmerman, who lived in their Sanford area home in the mid-1990s. They say he is no relation to 28-year-old George Zimmerman, who killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26....

“At this point in time, we have come to an agreement with Spike Lee and his attorneys, and at this point, the matter is fully resolved,” Morgan said. “Spike has agreed to compensate the McClains for their loss and for the disruption into their lives. He’s taken full responsibility.”....

“He was really kind,” Elaine McClain said. “And when he called us, you could just tell he really felt bad about it. And it was just a slip, and I just know that he really, really has been concerned.”
Yeah, it was just a slip. He intended to send the lynch mob to the other George Zimmerman's house. Did he apologize for that? And what did the McClain's get out of Lee other than an apology? Did he buy them a new house at a new address? What's the market value of their old house, now that the address is out there in digital-vigilante-o-sphere?

Meanwhile, the street address of the parents of the real George Zimmerman is out there. Roseanne Barr retweeted it, then took it down — because she was criticized. She said that that at first she thought it “was good to let ppl know that no one can hide anymore.” Since she needs to be popular and she got some pushback, she stepped back and tweeted as if she'd reached a higher level of morality: “But vigilante-ism is what killed Trayvon. I don’t support that.” But she kept her moral understanding fuzzy: “If Zimmerman isn’t arrested I’ll rt his address again... maybe go 2 his house myself.”

154 comments:

Christopher in MA said...

As noted at the Cold Fury blog, sure, Spike, now you apologize, you lousy, stinking, racist prick. Now that it looks like there's going to be a real price exacted for your mindless hate.

Either the Zimmermans are better people than I am or couldn't afford a real ballbusting lawyer. I'd have sued the wee auteur so far into bankruptcy he wouldn't be able to afford to direct the remake of 2 Girls 1 Cup.

As far as the loathsome why-aren't-your-15-minutes-of-fame-over Barr is concerned, I hope she does go to the real Zimmerman's house. No jury in the land would convict him if he filled her worthless ass with lead.

X said...

Bungle Fever

might not be his last payout over the stunt.

Coketown said...

"Gaia, make me prudent--but not yet."

Bob said...

Used to be that our so-called betters were taught something called noblesse oblige, the proper way for the noble of birth to behave around the common people. The USA doesn't have hereditary nobility, of course, but our celebrities, the famous, the infamous and the notorious, haven't learned that, since most of them came from common stock themselves. Perhaps we need to have schools for the nouveau famous to learn celeb oblige, the main lesson taught not to shit on the peasants via Facebook, Twitter, etc.

Motorcycle said...

If Roseann showed up like the tough chick she is pretending to be and was shot and killed that'd be tragic. Wouldn't it. Well wouldn't it?

rcommal said...

Are there no boundaries anymore?

hawkeyedjb said...

In an ideal world, there wouldn't be such a thing as "Roseanne Barr."

joewxman said...

who is roseann barr?

rcocean said...

Rosanne really is scum isn't she? If she goes to see Zimmermann how many body guards will this multi-millionaire take?

Like most leftists she seems more motivated by hate then by love of Black folks.

rcommal said...

Even if I were sure what happened either way, **and I sure as hell am not,** I can't imagine publishing an address in that fashion. It completely blows me away that anyone thinks that's appropriate, or even--God forbid--useful.

Also, personally, the whole notion of it's "good to let [people] know that no one can hide anymore" strikes me as very chilling and even--you'll pardon the chose of term--creepy.

rhhardin said...

Soap opera drives out public debate, is the point of it.

What happens isn't important so long as it does that.

Ridicule of soap opera so far hasn't gotten legs.

Love said...

The couple appears to be perfectly happy with his explanation and whatever settlement.

"He was really kind," Elaine McClain said. "And when he called us, you could just tell he really felt bad about it. And it was just a slip, and I just know that he really, really has been concerned."

Other than stirring the shit, throwing out the usual conservative chum to you sycophant regulars...why do YOU care about it, Ann?

SGT Ted said...

Well, historically, Democrats are the party of the lynch mob.

They've just changed who is on the approved lynching list.

Robin said...

"Love" is hilarious. Spike Lee tries to get some good mob violence going, but its Ann who is "stirring the shit".

Uh, no. Nice try.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

If THIS is a crime...soliciting kidnapping.

Then why are the New Black Panthers not being indicted for doing exactly the same thing regarding Zimmerman. They are doing it publicly, nationally and with a big reward. They are soliciting the kidnapping of Zimmerman.

Of course, we know the answer to that question. The New Black Panthers will never be investigated as long as their 'bros are in charge of the Justice System (there is a joke) and hold the Presidency.

Maybe they can threaten to burn down Detroit or something if they don't get their way....oh....wait.....

When someone named Zimmerman, no matter who they are, gets killed because of the mad media feeding frenzy, the irresponsible tweets by twits, and the price on their head which is a solicitation for kidnapping and murder......just who is going to be charged?

No one.

We are so screwed. And people wonder why gun sales and ammo sales are skyrocketing. The handwriting is on the wall for those who want to just see.

traditionalguy said...

For the want of a Zimmerman trial racial peace was lost, and for want of racial peace Romney's Presidential election was lost, and for want of Romney's election Israel was lost and the dollar became worthless.But Rush built up his audience, so all was not lost.

SGT Ted said...

Wow Love, go read Anns post again and tell me what her point is. I saw it.

I can now see why you'd be dumb enough to support Obamacare.

ddh said...

I would not be surprised if Spike Lee and Roseann Barr identify with the Henry Fonda character in "12 Angry Men" and Atticus Finch in "To Kill a Mockingbird."

PatCA said...

I think Spike Lee did feel bad. When an idealistic, passion-filled "activist" is forced to see the repercussions of his ardor, he often sees the light. A little reality is clarifying.

Original Mike said...

"Yeah, it was just a slip. He intended to send the lynch mob to the other George Zimmerman's house."

Exactly.

ddh said...

Let me expand on my comment above. For Lee and Barr, the message of "To Kill a Mockingbird" is that it is good to shoot rabid dogs in the street, and the message of "12 Angry Men" is not to be late for the ball game.

X said...

they may feel that way ddh, but they act like Lee J Cobb in 12 angry men.

tim maguire said...
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MadisonMan said...

Sometimes people get trampled in the rush to be holier than thou.

Rabel said...

I have a question that is somewhat off topic, but the more relevant Zimmerman post is getting pretty far down the page so I'll try.

Is it a point in Zimmerman's defense that he fired only one shot?

Yes, I know that one shot killed Martin, but in the split second in which Zimmerman had to decide whether or not to pull the trigger again he had no way of knowing that.

Could this could be used as evidence that he had a defensive mindset when he chose to use the gun which would support his version of events (to the extent that we know his version)?

Just asking.

Original Mike said...

""He was really kind," Elaine McClain said."

Most people who are trying to avoid a lawsuit are.

tim maguire said...

Nobody's parents can hide anymore. Thanks Rosanne and Spike. You're an inspiration to us all.

So Spike Lee settled the civil suit.
How about the criminal suit? I wonder where jurisdiction will lie? Potentially everywhere, though the county where the McClains reside seems most suitable.

phx said...
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traditionalguy said...

No surprises here. Spike Lee is one of the good guys.

He is an Atlanta native, raised in Brooklyn by a Jazz musician, and educated at Morehouse College in Atlanta, as were Herman Cain and MLK.

Spike appreciates good urban black culture which he tried to share with us in his Barber Shop film and Do The Right Thing.

He is a great communicator with a good man's instincts that also happens to be black.

Pogo said...

As I've said before, this is To Kill A Mockingbird, with blacks demanding a lynching, and the left as Bob Ewell.

Thank God for Obama's post-racial society; I am feeling the healing.

rcocean said...

I think Spike has learned his lesson, always get the right address when sending a lynch mob to hurt someone.

Pogo said...

"Spike Lee is one of the good guys."

Sure, pseudo-traditional guy, whoever you are, "good guys" call out for a lynching.


Yup, that's what "good guys" do all the time.

Aridog said...

I just love these diversions ... first Ms Fluke and her libido versus who should pay for it, and now, Le Affair Trayvon ... morphing in to what pin head Spike Lee is doing or not doing, as well as good ole Rev Al and Jesse the race pimp.

Quick, now, tell me what Obama is doing today ... where he is ... who he's promising what ... uh oh.

Diversion mission accomplished.

Sigivald said...

She said that that at first she thought it “was good to let ppl know that no one can hide anymore.”

Okay.

What the copulating feces is wrong with these maroons?

Seriously?

The slightest self-awareness, forethought, or vaguely basic decency would have prevented this ludicrous spectacle.

Original Mike said...

"Quick, now, tell me what Obama is doing today"

Fucking up the country.

Got a hard question?

S said...

Does anyone have Rosanne Barr's address? I don't want to encourage vigilanteism or anything, I just want people to know they can't hide anymore.

Pogo said...

Spike Lee: "Will no one rid me of this troublesome white-hispanic?"

One of the good guys, just like King Henry.

Aridog said...

traditionalguy said: Spike appreciates good urban black culture which he tried to share with us in his Barber Shop film and Do The Right Thing.

Oh, please. Would you enlighten me on the "good urban black culture" demonstrated by "Do the Right Thing?"

Before you blow any smoke my way, you might want to know I have lived my whole life (save OCONUS military service time) in Detroit, where I was born. I'm fairly familiar with urban life, black, white and in between

Franklin Fimbletonio said...

Spike Lee is an idiot. But let's not forget who performs all the "vigilante justice" in the USA: when was the last time a right wing leader was assassinated by a leftist? When was the last time a leftist killed a right wing yahoo? Violence from the right? Hmmm. Let's see. We've got Abraham Lincoln, Malcolm X, MLK, JFK, RFK, every reactionary jack booted right wing racist thug in the history of our great nation... and the marvelous Zimmerman.

Now, I'm sure you are all very proud (behind closed doors) of your assassins, but lets please cut the victim act here. If you are afraid of the "new" Black Panthers or Spike Lee's vigilante posse that is because you enjoy being afraid of Scary Black Men. Please feel free to enjoy your fake victimhood, but don't pretend that it has any basis in reality.

Valentine Smith said...

Someone has to die for this. It may as well be Zimmerman. Now it's the blacks' turn to be the lynchers. They've suffered enough.

Shanna said...

""He was really kind," Elaine McClain said."

Most people who are trying to avoid a lawsuit are.

Seriously. I bet they got a hell of a settlement.

In what universe would it be appropriate to send out someone's parents address anyway, Rosie? They really need to start prosecuting this stuff (at least the 10k bounty, I'm with DBQ, if they don't prosecute stuff like that we really are screwed).

The police don't do anything to even attempt to track down thieves, but if you attempt to protect your neighborhood on your own you are a dangerous, wannabe cop.

Quaestor said...

traditionalguy wrote:
No surprises here. Spike Lee is one of the good guys.

You evidently haven't been following the Spike Lee corpus too closely

Franklin Fimbletonio said...

Oh, and "aridog", Ms Fluke's libido had absolutely nothing to do with her testimony before Congress, or her desire for insurance to cover female birth control. If you had actually heard what she was saying, it was that she has friends who use birth control for MEDICAL purposes. In fact, aridog, there are many women who use birth controll pills for purposes other than satisfying their scary female libidos. Ms Fluke was pointing out that students, who are usually quite poor, can't always afford the pill. And many of them use it to quell long and painful periods and for other medical reasons as well. In fact, the reason all women use birth control absolutely does not have anything to do with you and Rush's unhealthily prurient interest in their sex lives. So no, Ms Fluke doesn't want YOU to pay for her birth control. She wants her health insurance plan to pay for it. But I'm sure you'd rather sit around and repeat Rush's brain-dead talking points all day, so by all means, continue.

Darrell said...

I wonder how many lawyers had the balls to go against the pro-Trayvon crowd and offer legal representation to the McClains.

My guess is zero.

That's the question I would have asked them if I were a reporter--How many lawyers called you after Spike Lee's first Tweet?

Palladian said...

Perhaps Zimmerman should offer himself up as a sacrifice, to wash clean the sins of whitey. Maybe let an angry, jeering mob of randomly-selected black people and celebrities whip him as he drags a couple of wooden beams up a hill somewhere, then let Sharpton nail him to it and have him hoisted up in the sun so that everyone can stab him and feed him vinegar while he slowly dies.

Meanwhile, Obama can be washing his hands somewhere.

That, along with Martin's killing, ought to satisfy the blood lust of our failing empire for a little while.

Until all that happens, perhaps we can tide ourselves over by throwing a few more Zimmermans to the lions, while black bodies, innocent and otherwise, pile up out of view.

Rose said...

He was so nice, paid them off after they lawyered up - that DOES NOT answer the other question -

He INTENDED TO HARM the Zimmermans. Pure and simple. That he got the wrong address does not change that fact - this "NICE" man wanted the lynch mob to go and kill them - Dead Or Alive, $10,000 Bounty - and if this innocent couple had been killed thanks to Spike's 'mistake' - then what?

And WHERE is the race-baiting President of this nation? Calming the waters? NOT. Tamping down the rhetoric? NOT.

Between this and Fast&Furious, he should not get a single Hispanic vote - he has shown who he is.

As has Spike Lee.

phx said...

Meanwhile, Obama can be washing his hands somewhere.

And WHERE is the race-baiting President of this nation? Calming the waters? NOT. Tamping down the rhetoric? NOT.

It's Obama's fault. I thought so.

Aridog said...

Franklin Fimbletonio ... spare me dude, you are one arrogant dismissive sucker to presume I'm unaware of the multiple uses of birth control pills. I listened to Ms Fluke, in particular where she lied about the costs...and her presumption that it isn't paid by ordinary folks but should be paid for by insurance companies. Hello. No dissonance there for ya. Didn't think so. Insurance companies print money, right?

PS: I'm a guy who pays for health insurance, which includes BC pills for a $5 co-pay for those, presumably female, who need them for any reason. My premiums include that benefit. I don't begrudge it ... for one reason, among many, that I might have prostate issues someday and women's premiums will be part of what supports that. What I do object to is Ms Fluke's demand that this be "free" issue ... when nothing is "free" and any 3rd grader should know that.

Palladian said...

Um, Franklin? JFK was murdered by a communist, Malcolm X was murdered by Nation of Islam members, and RFK was murdered by an anti-Israel Muslim.

edutcher said...

4 years ago, a good many writers, Michael Barone among them, took a look at the Zero and predicted he'd set race relations back 50 years.

If you remember the days of the race riots in the big cities of this country, that's just about right.

Score one success for this Administration.

rcommal said...

Are there no boundaries anymore?

Not since 50 years ago, when people much like William Ayers and Barack Hussein Obama (mmm, mmm, mmm) would telephone the parents of soldiers killed in Vietnam and tell them, "Your son got what he deserved. He was a paid killer".

Love said...

The couple appears to be perfectly happy with his explanation and whatever settlement

Any time you get a check with at least one integer and a half dozen or more zeroes (not counting cents), you're going to be ecstatic.

Robin said...

"Love" is hilarious. Spike Lee tries to get some good mob violence going, but its Ann who is "stirring the shit"

Especially since Love and his/her/its alter egos are the ones doing the stirring.

All Ann has done has point up a few facts.

How dare she?

Franklin Fimbletonio said...

Spike Lee is an idiot. But let's not forget who performs all the "vigilante justice" in the USA: when was the last time a right wing leader was assassinated by a leftist? When was the last time a leftist killed a right wing yahoo? Violence from the right? Hmmm. Let's see. We've got Abraham Lincoln, Malcolm X, MLK, JFK, RFK, every reactionary jack booted right wing racist thug in the history of our great nation... and the marvelous Zimmerman.

Hmmm, sounds like Freder off his meds.

Malcolm X was shot by somebody from Elijah Muhammad's crowd, IIRC.

JFK by a Communist sympathizer, Lee Harvey Oswald.

RFK by Sirhan Sirhan, a pro-Palestinian cutthroat.

Lincoln by John Wilkes Booth (and the Conservatives were the ones fighting to preserve the Union).

Try again, Freder.

(or is this Alpha?)

Christopher said...

"...Abraham Lincoln, Malcolm X, MLK, JFK, RFK..."

-Malcom X was killed by 3 Nation of Islam members

-JFK was killed by a communist

-RFK was killed by an anti-Israeli Palestinian

-And I'm pretty sure that John Wilkes Booth was a Democrat as well


Anyway I'm pretty sure that Franklin is just a troll but I felt like answering.

Palladian said...

Dearest phx, if you think the crucifixion was Pilate's "fault", do read the Bible more carefully.

phx said...

4 years ago, a good many writers, Michael Barone among them, took a look at the Zero and predicted he'd set race relations back 50 years.

If you remember the days of the race riots in the big cities of this country, that's just about right.

Score one success for this Administration.


Wow. It really is Obama's fault.

phx said...

Put Palladian down as "Not Obama's Fault Directly but He Is a Lot Like Pontius Pilate."

edutcher said...

I'm so glad phx agrees.

PS Palladian takes the thread.

Carnifex said...

@feeblethinking fimbletonionian (or whatever)

Before spouting you hate messgae of all conservatives you might try to remember this adadge..."Google is my friend"

John Wilkes Boothe was a Democrat.
Remember Lee Harvey Oswald? How about Sirhan Sirhan? Squeeky Fromme? John Hinkley? Jared Loughner?

You not only failed,you fail so bad you replace fail in the lexicon. From now on when someone fucks up really badly they'll have committed a Fimbleton(or what ever you that thing you use as a moniker is)

Spike Lee committed a Fimbleton. by the way. He was okay with people loosing their life, but when his green was threatened...now you're talking tragedy.

And for Rosanne Barr, a hate filled individual whose outsides merely reflect her insides.

bgates said...

Ms Fluke's libido had absolutely nothing to do with her testimony before Congress

Ms Fluke never testified before Congress.

Ms Fluke was pointing out that students, who are usually quite poor, can't always afford the pill.

That's because they're spending too much on school. Time for Congress to mandate a dollar per credit standard for colleges and universities, same as they slap CAFE on car companies.

So no, Ms Fluke doesn't want YOU to pay for her birth control. She wants her health insurance plan to pay for it.

How will the health insurance companies pay for it - premiums charged to their customers (including ME), or a secret pot of leprechaun gold?

rsb said...

Spike Lee is a rotten person.

Another thing this no talent racist chump did was sue Spike TV for using "his" name.

Smith said...

This is just part of why vigilante justice is a bad thing. Is the irony completely lost on Lee that vigilantism is what Zimmerman is accused, by many, of doing?

Coketown said...

Popeye's Chicken should tweet some of their stores' locations as Zimmerman's address. They'd have hundreds of customers literally banging down their doors. Come for the lynching, stay for the food.

(I'm not racist*, but if there are two groups that loooove fried chicken, it's black folk and fat hags.)

*garage mahal disagrees, of course.

Chip Ahoy said...

I cannot believe what I just now read by Franklin Fimbletonio in two posts above wherein every single sentence is precisely reversed starting with Abraham Lincoln.

You are dismissed, and I too am off. Good day to you.

I said, good day.

Original Mike said...

"So no, Ms Fluke doesn't want YOU to pay for her birth control. She wants her health insurance plan to pay for it."

How will the health insurance companies pay for it - premiums charged to their customers (including ME), or a secret pot of leprechaun gold?

Obama money, bgates. Obama money.

Freeman Hunt said...

Hollywood people are funny.

Hollywood, taken as a whole, is everything it says it hates.

Shanna said...

That's because they're spending too much on school

Or alcohol. I mean, really. I went to school in DC too and I'm pretty sure there was a planned parenthood there that would get you anything you wanted.

Pogo said...

So who is Barrabas in this thing?

The Drill SGT said...

Bob said...
Used to be that our so-called betters were taught something called noblesse oblige, the proper way for the noble of birth to behave around the common people.


reminds me of a story about an American touring a British Army unit between WWI and II.

All the yank saw was Sergeants drilling the other ranks, and Sergeants doing this and that. The officers were off at polo or at the club. The Yank asked his guide, a Sergeant of course, "What do your Officers do?

The answer: "They shows us how to die..."

The British Royals still understand that it does their collective prestige a great deal of good for the younger royals to put in their time in the military. To shows us, etc, etc.

and that reminds me of the blitz and King George VI and his wife Elizabeth (known now to most as the Queen Mother, now dead).

Elizabeth was asked why she would not evacuate her two daughters to Canada with many of the other urban Brit kids. She declared, "The children won't go without me. I won't leave the King. And the King will never leave."

David said...

Spike and Roseanne are two publicity whores looking for some press. They both have their little acts for the camera, and each is motivated by the self interest of publicity. Roseanne is a has been. Spike isn't. Neither has apologized for the real sin, which is to use their fame to promote their fame, even if it means inciting another killing.

Fr Martin Fox said...

Roseanne Barr would have been giggly-happy in the midst of Mao's Cultural Revolution: "let ppl know that no one can hide anymore."

I hope Mr. Lee has learned his lesson. If so, he could be doing some good right now, telling people to stop all this fascist behavior. Is he doing that?

I Callahan said...

Ms Fluke's libido had absolutely nothing to do with her testimony before Congress, or her desire for insurance to cover female birth control. If you had actually heard what she was saying, it was that she has friends who use birth control for MEDICAL purposes.

You must be new here. First rule of thumb - please don't assume that everyone else is an idiot, especially this group. We hashed this argument out long before we were graced with your presence.

Second, no it had NOTHING to do with using birth control for medical reasons. Catholic health organizations already offer this for patients who have heavy periods, for example. So read your talking points again and see if you've missed something.

Third, and most important: demanding that Catholic health organizations pay for birth control takes religious freedom away from such organizations. If you don't like working for a Catholic health organization, then don't. You have the freedom to choose that, yet you think the freedom to choose what to cover should not be up to who's providing it.

You'd better pack a lunch of you're going to comment here with nonsense like you posted.

traditionalguy said...

Lee is a great opportunity for us to re-start commnnications that have recently been lost behind a wall of denial that went up in the name of fighting race hustlers. All of this happened at The Zimmerman family's suggestion that they were the ones under attack and we owed them solidarity against a black hoard.

That reminds me of how the CAIR guys roll out their "We are the ones under attack" memes within hours after a 9/11 or a Major Hanson murder spree hits the news.

Lee is a communicator. What he does is listen well and then he speaks his mind with ideas that we sometimes don't want to hear. But we need to listen to that point of view.

He has a traditional morality and he identifies good where it is found and evil where it is found.

What he wont do is keep quiet. What he demands from us is simply to be heard.

If we write off the Spike Lees of this world and refuse to listen to them, then we become no better than CAIR living behind a wall we erected.

Pogo said...

Seriously, who are you and what have you done with trad-guy?

EMD said...

"Would you enlighten me on the "good urban black culture" demonstrated by "Do the Right Thing?"

I can't answer that question, all I know is Mookie threw the garbage can through the window so the mob wouldn't kill Danny Aiello.

I guess it's less "the right thing" than the "less wrong thing."

Fr Martin Fox said...

I can't help noticing a confluence of events here:

> "Hunger Games" comes out--a movie about a future dystopia in which the masses are entertained by a kind of human sacrifice.

> The baying for Zimmerman's blood by a coast-to-coast mob.

> Next week is Holy Week.

Father Robert Barron wrote something recently recalling the writings of Rene Girard about the need of societies for a scapegoat and violence.

Father Barron pointed out that whereas sacrificing others to divinity was so frequently a feature of various religions in history, Christianity--anticipated by Judaism--has God sacrificing himself.

And Barron pointed out that as our society seeks to de-Christianize itself, we may find ourselves back to human sacrifice.

Too bad about all those aborted babies; too bad about all those embryonic humans who must die for our Pepsi to taste good. Too bad for Zimmerman, eggs must be broken...

EMD said...

"Seriously, who are you and what have you done with trad-guy?"

He was jealous of the attention Alex gets.

Quaestor said...

Franklin Fimbletonio wrote:
Please feel free to enjoy your fake victimhood, but don't pretend that it has any basis in reality.

Before you can spout off here and get any creds you have to evidence some level of education. The only persons on your list who might qualify as a "reactionary jack booted right wing racist thug" are John Wilkes Boothe (actor, Confederate sympathizer and lifelong Democrat) and James Earl Ray (career criminal and bigot)

The others are Lee Harvey Oswald (Self-procalimed Communist, defector to the USSR, wannabe murder of a retired general, wannabe defector to Cuba). The killers of Malcolm X were Talmadge Hayer, Norman 3X Butler and Thomas 15X Johnson (All Nation of Islam members who murdered Malcolm X for his conversion to Sunni Islam and his criticism of Elijah Mohammad.) Lastly there is Sirhan B. Sirhan, killer of Robert F Kennedy (Palestinian anti-Semite, terrorist wannabe and general nutjob who shot RFK in self-defense "against those 50 Phantom jets Kennedy was sending to Israel.")

You left out other assassins and wannabes such as Charles Guiteau, killer of President James Garfield (typical paranoid schizophrenic who should have been locked in a padded cell for life) and the assassin of William McKinley Leon Czolgosz, (anarchist). Let's not forget the wannabe killer of TR John Schrank (delusional paranoid who died after 29 years in a mental hospital) and Oscar Collazo and Griselio Torresola, the would-be killers of Harry Truman (anti-democracy PR nationalists) and the wannabes who made attempts on President Gerald Ford, namely Sarah Jane Moore and Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme (sad over-the-hill hippie wannabe and a genuine hippie) and finally John Hinckley (nut with a crush and a gun who should have never watched Taxi Driver)

So let's tally up, shall we?

Reactionary jack booted right wing racist thugs -- 2

Reactionary jack booted left wing thugs -- 6

Reactionary jack booted religios fanatic anti-white racist thugs -- 3

Garden variety loons -- 3

On the face of it it would seem the left wing thugs have a win in this competition, though I think the sample is far too small to a see any pattern other than right wing thugs are better shots. As for your argument, Franklin Fimbletonio, the facts of history totally shoot it down.

We've got your number, Franklin Fimbletonio, and its' under 100.

Shanna said...

All of this happened at The Zimmerman family's suggestion that they were the ones under attack

I can't imagine why someone with a 10k bounty on their or their family members head would think they were under attack!

Fr Martin Fox said...

Reaching back to John Wilkes Booth? Somehow he's part of the contemporary conservative movement?

Seriously?

Why stop there?

Seems to me Abel was a big-sky, leave-me-alone cattle-rancher, and Cain was class-warmongering greenie type. So there!

I Callahan said...

Franklin Fimbleantonio
Freder Frederson

Coincidence?

MadisonMan said...

Hollywood, taken as a whole, is everything it says it hates.

That's why they're all on drugs.

traditionalguy said...

Fr Fox...Do you really see anglo-American jurisprudence as based upon pagan blood lust for human sacrifice?

OK. But Zimmerman's trial, and if convicted a likely mostly probated sentence for Negligent Homocide may not amount to another Crucifiction.

The demands are an actual police investigation and a trial. If that is mob action ,should we end all courts and juries charades and ask the Pope to protect us.

Original Mike said...

"Franklin Fimbleantonio
Freder Frederson

Coincidence?"


Ask him how a light bulb works.

Quaestor said...

Palladian wrote:
Um, Franklin? JFK was murdered by a communist, Malcolm X was murdered by Nation of Islam members, and RFK was murdered by an anti-Israel Muslim.

Sirhan Sirhan was brought up Christian (Meronite Catholic, I think) and was still a Christian of some color when he shot RFK (Baptist or 7th Day Adventist or something). He may be a Muslim now, but not when he killed Robert Kennedy.

Original Mike said...

Hey, traditionalguy. Is CO2 a pollutant?

Pogo said...

@ Not traditionalguy:
'Do you really see anglo-American jurisprudence as based upon pagan blood lust for human sacrifice?'

That's a Ritmo format question; a bad faith query.

Now I know.

Unknown said...

Just think how horrible Barr and Lee would be if they were Tea Party members. All the worst behaviors of the world coming home to roost.

Fr Martin Fox said...

Traditionalguy:

Please show where I found fault with having our legal system handle the questions arising from the Zimmerman-Martin matter. Then we can proceed with your question.

If you can't figure out any other application of my comments to the current events, it may be you are over your head in this discussion?

garage mahal said...

tradguy-
Is Sarah Palin awesome, and is AGW a hoax?

Rob said...

This mob-justice thinking by some on the left reminded me of "The Satanic Verses" episode. This is from Wikipedia:

"Rushdie has never been physically harmed for the book, but others associated with it have suffered violent attacks. Hitoshi Igarashi, its Japanese translator, was stabbed to death on 11 July 1991; Ettore Capriolo, the Italian translator, was seriously injured in a stabbing the same month[13]; William Nygaard, the publisher in Norway, survived an attempted assassination in Oslo in October 1993, and Aziz Nesin, the Turkish translator, was the intended target in the events that led to the Sivas massacre on 2 July 1993 in Sivas, Turkey, which resulted in the deaths of 37 people.[14] Individual purchasers of the book have not been harmed. The only nation with a predominantly Muslim population where the novel remains legal is Turkey."

That is the reality of mob rule.

Spike Lee should apologize to civilized society, as should Roseanne Barr. I often disagree with Lee but always wanted to believe he was a person who acted in good faith. Roseanne Barr, not so much. It would appear I gave Mr. Lee too much credit.

Rob said...

If it is not clear, I would be as disgusted with Lee if he had the correct address. Pointing the mob in the correct direction is to be part of the mob.

Michael K said...

"If Roseann showed up like the tough chick she is pretending to be and was shot and killed that'd be tragic. Wouldn't it. Well wouldn't it?"

What was her address, again?

David said...

Fumbletino: Violence from the right? Hmmm. Let's see. We've got Abraham Lincoln, Malcolm X, MLK, JFK, RFK . . .

Man, you are one ignorant fellow.

Lincoln, a Republican, was killed by Booth, a Democrat and an actor to boot. Lincoln was a conservative--as in conserve the Union. Booth and his democratic fellows were radical traitors.

Malcolm X was killed by other Black Muslims in a power struggle.

Dr. King was killed by James Earl Ray (unless you believe that some phantom guy named Raoul actually fired the shot with a gun that Ray provided.) Ray was a racist, but he had no history of political activity or even political beliefs. He was neither right not left wing, just a petty criminal and escaped convict who decided that he could become someone by killing an important man. You could latch on to one of the unproven conspiracy theories, but these lead mainly to Fidel Castro (communist), Lyndon Johnson (liberal democrat) and the KKK (mostly disgruntled democrats who thought the party was betraying them.)

Bobby Kennedy was killed by a Palestinian with a hatred of Jews and of Kennedy for assisting Israel.

JFK was killed by a pissant little communist.

Your statement is almost laughable, except that there are millions of people as ignorant as you who also believe that the "right wing" engineered these killings.

Another shocking fact: The Democratic party is the organization that defended slavery and then instituted Jim Crow and segregation to keep blacks from their rights for another 100 years. Democrats opposed the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments and far more democrats that Republicans voted against the civil rights laws of the 1950's and 1960's.

Jess said...

@I Callahan:
Franklin Fimbleantonio
Freder Frederson

Coincidence?


My own theory is that these are both noms de plume of Fred Fredburger

Occam's razor and all that.

Michael K said...

"But let's not forget who performs all the "vigilante justice" in the USA: when was the last time a right wing leader was assassinated by a leftist?"

Stalin doesn't count ? It has to be a leader ? What was Trayvon leading ?

"When was the last time a leftist killed a right wing yahoo?"

Last night in Chicago. Pick any street corner.

"Violence from the right? Hmmm. Let's see. We've got Abraham Lincoln,"

I know you know your history but Abe was a Republican and Booth was a Democrat !

"Malcolm X"

Another black sent by "Reverend Farahkan"

"MLK"

Who was the right winger there ? Those southern whites were all Democrats in those days Bull Connor was a DNC delegate.

"JFK," A communist.

"RFK," A Palestinian terrorist.

" every reactionary jack booted right wing racist thug in the history of our great nation... and the marvelous Zimmerman. "

Did you have to study hard to get this stupid or did it come naturally ?

Charlie said...

"Quick, now, tell me what Obama is doing today ... where he is ."

He's in Portland Maine, eating lobster and fleecing...er, I mean, fundraising.

Charlie said...

Additionally, across the street ( I mean literally across the street from his soire) Snoop Dogg is giving a concert tonight in Portland. Let's hope there is some cross pollination.

Quaestor said...

I never liked Pollack jokes, maybe because 2nd graders can't tell jokes very well, but they're time may be coming back. I think one can just say the name Zbigniew Brzezinski now and bring down the house.

Michael Haz said...

One century ago people wearing hoods administered their warped idea of justice to people not their own color.

Al Sharpton, Spike Lee, Roseanne Barr, the Black Panthers would have us go back to that era that they so deeply (and correctly) hate.

They have become what they hate.

rcocean said...

"Hollywood people are funny."

Rosanne Barr and Bill Maher disprove this remark.

rcocean said...

And if Spike wasn't on twitter all the time maybe he'd make some good movies.

Spike, just shut-up and direct.

Blue@9 said...

I'm curious as to what will be the reaction if some vigilante nut kills Zimmerman. Do you think the clowns will have a moment of self-reflection? Think about what their uncivil discourse has wrought?

Nah, they'll just claim a right-wing racist committed a hate-murder against a Hispanic. Then they'll blame Bush and Palin.

Aridog said...

Charlie said...

He's in Portland Maine, eating lobster and fleecing...er, I mean, fundraising.

Heh heh ... you read Weasel Zippers or White House Dossier too? Found this there...

9:55 am || Departs White House
11:35 am || Arrives Burlingon, Vermont
1:15 pm || Delivers remarks at fundraiser; Sheraton Burlington Hotel
2:35 pm || Delivers remarks at second fundraiser; University of Vermont; Burlington
3:30 pm || Departs Burlington
4:20 pm || Arrives Portland, Maine
5:15 pm || Delivers remarks at fundraiser #3; Southern Maine Community College, Portland
7:20 pm || Delivers remarks at fundraiser #4; Portland Museum of Art
8:35 pm || Departs Portland
10:20 pm || Arrives White House

You win the "Not Distracted" Award :-)

Aridog said...

Charlie said...

He's in Portland Maine, eating lobster and fleecing...er, I mean, fundraising.

Heh heh ... you read Weasel Zippers or White House Dossier too? Found this there...

9:55 am || Departs White House
11:35 am || Arrives Burlingon, Vermont
1:15 pm || Delivers remarks at fundraiser; Sheraton Burlington Hotel
2:35 pm || Delivers remarks at second fundraiser; University of Vermont; Burlington
3:30 pm || Departs Burlington
4:20 pm || Arrives Portland, Maine
5:15 pm || Delivers remarks at fundraiser #3; Southern Maine Community College, Portland
7:20 pm || Delivers remarks at fundraiser #4; Portland Museum of Art
8:35 pm || Departs Portland
10:20 pm || Arrives White House

You win the "Not Distracted by Nonsense" Award :-)

Aridog said...

Whoa ... that double post was Blogger acting up ... first time I was told I didn't get the WV right, so tried again. Both posted? Cool.

WV: drerever ogple Ugh, broccoli makes me do that.

Alex said...

We all know Tradguy is A-OK with vigilante mob justice when it comes to Mr. Zimmerman.

Paul Zrimsek said...

In what respect is demanding "an actual police investigation and a trial" (regardless of the outcome of the police investigation) better than demanding "a trial and a sentencing" (regardless of the outcome of the trial)?

Alex said...

For the want of a Zimmerman trial racial peace was lost, and for want of racial peace Romney's Presidential election was lost, and for want of Romney's election Israel was lost and the dollar became worthless.But Rush built up his audience, so all was not lost.

More apocolyptico-trolling from tradguy. I once knew him, he was reasonable.

Alex said...

Something just *snapped* in tradguy's mind and he's on his way to becoming a radical leftist within 4-6 weeks TOPS.

DADvocate said...

I'm curious as to what will be the reaction if some vigilante nut kills Zimmerman. Do you think the clowns will have a moment of self-reflection? Think about what their uncivil discourse has wrought?

They're so full of hatred that they can't catch a twinkling of themselves.

Revenant said...

for want of racial peace Romney's Presidential election was lost

Yeah, if he's not careful almost all the black people are gonna vote for Obama this time around. :)

Alex said...

If some nut kills Zimmerman, I'm pinning it on tradguy.

traditionalguy said...

So you guys are now like asking me to say "Jesus Christ came in the flesh" and "shibboleth" to see if I am still real?

It's still me. And I still love Sarah Palin, and CO2 is still a beneficial trace gas that hasn't warmed a molecule of the earth's atmosphere and never will.

But this Zimmerman cover up is like a perfect storm for me.

The lessons learned from my Court experiences and my race relations experiences here in Atlanta for the last 40+ years are bubbling out of me wanting to teach you guys what I learned.

One of my favorite author, John Steinbeck's quotes is, "People don't want education, they want affirmation."

We need to pick our enemies with great care, or The Divider-in-Chief will have us at our potential friend's throats.

He is a master deceiver and and also a matador who holds out a red flag with one hand to get us Bulls to charge the flag behind which his sword hand awaits.


Court Judgements that are willing to defend black male teens from murder are not negotiable maybes anymore.

If we refuse that, then we will lose the Spike Lees of the world would listen to reason and do the right thing. That only opens the door to Obama's stalking horse of black panther types, They will in turn cause the independents to vote seek mild mannered Obama's protection from being racists again.

Alex said...

But this Zimmerman cover up is like a perfect storm for me.

Yes the perfect excuse you needed to become a rabid Kos kid.

Pogo said...

Definitely not trad guy.

DADvocate said...

In 1970 in the southern city of Knoxville, TN, Jimmy Baxter, president of the University of TN student government, shot and killed a would be rapist in the act of attempting to rape a coed. As I remember the now dead alleged rapist was black. Baxter was never charged and later became a fedearl prosecutor.

But, wait. Baxter is black also. Imagine that. A black student government president at a major southern univeristy in 1970. A black man being treated fairly under the law by southern policemen. But, a bunch of left wing hate mongers can't look at the reality of the world today, or yesterday. Racism today is promoted by leftwingers to maintain a power base and create division to their own advantage. They have no true desire to see the end of this manufactured racism, but rather wish to perpetuate it. Yes, there's still some genuine hate and bigotry, but mostly from them.

Michael said...

Pogo. You are mistaken, the Trad guy writing here is the real thing. Like me he was forged in the experiences of the 60s civil rights, and like me was transformed in a way that many or even most of you in the midwest or north would or could not understand. We have seen first hand the advances in race relations and know how little it might take to undo what has been achieved.

This is not political to many of us who went through all that. It is personal. Give him, us, a break and open yourself to the possibility that you could be mistaken.

Rob said...

Okay, I will bite. Trad, Michael- if Lee had tweeted the correct address for Zimmerman would it have been okay to tweet it? Is that a moral act, the act of a good person?

Fr Martin Fox said...

Trad:

Maybe we're following different streams of news reports. The "baying for Zimmerman's blood" I'm talking about include:

> Tweeting his purported address
> "KillZimmerman" messages--isn't that a tweet hatch thingee?
> The New Black Panthers posting a reward for capturing him.

I admit I can't recall more; but I'd bet real money I could find more bloodthirsty examples if I needed to.

Do you really consider all this as misunderstood demands for "investigation and trial"?

Fen said...

What [Spike Lee] demands from us is simply to be heard. If we write off the Spike Lees of this world and refuse to listen to them -

Spike Lee just burned through whatever credibility he had as someone to be listened to and respected.

You act like there is something whites can do or say to repair racial strife. But this time around its blacks that are the ignorant racists.

Michael said...

Rob. Of course there should have been no tweeting of personal information. Full stop.

Alex said...

Rob. Of course there should have been no tweeting of personal information. Full stop.

Not according to the lefties in here.

Jess said...

So you guys are now like asking me to say "Jesus Christ came in the flesh"

For crying out loud, it's none of our business! Won't someone get the government out of our bedrooms?

Pogo said...

@Micahel
"Give him, us, a break and open yourself to the possibility that you could be mistaken."

OK.

Then both of you are old enough to know better.

Michael said...

Pogo. To know better than what?

Bruce said...

Violence from the right? Hmmm. Let's see. We've got Abraham Lincoln, Malcolm X, MLK, JFK, RFK, every reactionary jack booted right wing racist thug in the history of our great nation... and the marvelous Zimmerman.

Most of this statement has been thoroughly debunked by other commenters.

What I'd like to know is, what in the world makes you think Zimmerman is a "right winger"?

A young, hispanic, democrat is likely to be a right winger? How so?

Shanna said...

Like me he was forged in the experiences of the 60s civil rights, and like me was transformed in a way that many or even most of you in the midwest or north would or could not understand. We have seen first hand the advances in race relations and know how little it might take to undo what has been achieved.

And some of us grew up after all the civil rights legislation had been passed and the klan was a teensy fringe group. We were raised on MLK's vision, living in harmony.

Then we watched riots in LA where people were killed for the crime of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, heavy gang violence, and a bunch of people cheering as a murderer got off scot free because he was the same skin color as they were (and watched as he wrote a book saying he totally did it, hahahaha).

We watched all sorts of things that don't live up to the vision we were fed as children and now we're watching this, which is not about the facts. We are watching people actively trying to incite a race war! This is nuts.

Alex said...

The left has defined right-winger as meaning someone afflicted with abnormal fear of hoodied black males.

Pogo said...

Michael, you and trad guy should know better than to post conclusory and inflammatory statements when so little is known, a leftist tactic that should be rejected as juvenile and dangerous.

Carnifex said...

My Gawd!!

This might be the end of the world! Traditional guy going lefty out of the blue, Zombie posterers (fred fredburger, or whatever).

And Chip...Chip, of all people, jumping on some one (no matter how politely).

There are some things here all logical people can agree on.

No one "knows" what happened between G. Zimmerman, and T.Martin. We have suspicions, ideas, and beliefs, but absolutely no 1st hand knowledge.

We should wait for any police investigation is over before rushing to judgement. Afterwards, depending on your views of the police, your beliefs will either be vindicated or not, either way, some are still going to be angry.

President Obama could have quelled any civil unrest by saying "We don't know. Let the police handle it". He didn't. Why is open to conjecture, but the results are what counts, and what he said didn't help matters.(truly, they didn't hurt that much either) As we are constantly reminded by the bumper stickers "if you ain't part of the solution, you're part of the problem"

Spike Lee didn't help the matter either, and tweeting the address of innocent people to a mob should be a crime. Even if it were Zimmerman's address, that is trying to abet a lynching/kidnapping/murder/whatever.

Roseanne, is just the latest to jump up and down shouting "ME TOO! MEEE TOOO!!" As such shes getting what she sows, nothing.

Any mob action is a break down of our civilization, and as such, should be frowned upon by all right thinking people.

rcocean said...

If Zimmermann is murdered by a left-wing vigilante, Bill Maher and Rosanne Barr with cheer.

One more white/Hispanic "racist" gone.

traditionalguy said...

Jess...LOL. Thanks for the humor. Saying that phrase was used in John's epistle's as the certain test of whether or not a person was controlled by the spirit of the Anti-Christ.

And Pogo, I have consistently stated my conclusion that the police, DA and Courts need to do a job they have washed their hands of doing so far.

The smoke throw brigade keeps quoting this or that partial report and concluding that Zimmerman is such a victim here that he must not be bothered anymore.

Well I will wash my hands of guilt too.

But I predict that what happened in Florida wont stay in Florida. The rest of us will get to see who wins the race war the hard cases are determined to start.

Now did anyone see that Obama has blown the Israeli cover on using the airfields in Tagikistan to aid Iran's defense of their Nukes.

I am trying to remember happen to the Nations that supported Haman in The Book of Esther? Because we get to endure whatever Obama has earned with his sneaky betrayal of the Jews to mass murderers.

rcocean said...

BTW, there's someone mentally wrong with liberals. They love to play "Moby" and pretend to be "conservatives" or "Life-long Republicans". They seem unable to tell the truth and love deceiving the conservative "enemy" in their Alinsky 'Just Win Baby' view of things.

Trad Guy is one sick puppy. Sad that.

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Rusty said...

You act like there is something whites can do or say to repair racial strife. But this time around its blacks that are the ignorant racists.


The black community needs to have a come to jesus over their own overt racism. Not only against whites and other ethnicities, but amoung the divides amoung themselves.

traditionalguy said...

Rcocean...And what is sick about seriously asking for due process of law for a young black man in a land that says that no man is above the law?

The last time we tried that around here a renegade GOP President sent the Army of the West under Sherman to teach us a lesson. Trouble is that Sherman marched on to Savannah, but then his Army turned northeast to Charleston. He never marched through middle Florida.

With all respect, the liberals are yanking your chain, not mine.

Michael said...

Pogo. Direct me if you would to an inflammatory comment i have made. Thanks.

Seven Machos said...

I'm late to the party here but what makes Do the Right Thing a great movie that holds up is that it is a tragedy. Everyone in the movie does the wrong thing.

The police shouldn't have killed Radio Raheem. Sal shouldn't have been such a blowhard and he should have just put up pictures of black people because, after all, it was black people giving him money. Mookie shouldn't have started the riot. Even the white guy wearing the Bird jersey should have thought about what he was doing in that neighborhood.

So, it's kind of poetic -- not to say ironic -- that a guy who made great art about people doing the wrong thing could have done the wrong thing himself in such a racially charged situation.

Fen said...

what is sick about seriously asking for due process of law for a young black man in a land that says that no man is above the law?

Nothing wrong with that at all.

But from here, its sounds like you want to jail Zimmerman because the racist mob is threatening violence. That's an entirely different motive.

We might as well arrest those that burn Korans, as if that would appease the Jihad.

[...]

The DA chose not to prosecute Zimmerman based on the factual evidence.

The mob wants to kill Zimmerman based on MSM propaganda and lies.

walter said...

Too bad the unfortunate couple bought/were bought out by "Spike"'s apology/$$$...after they had contacted an attorney. How great would it have been if they had demanded he publicly apologize for tweeting/inciting a mob with someone's address to begin with.

Who knows what specifically happened to cause the escalation to a shooting.
But once it becomes a national powder keg, what do we make of the president's role/abdication?
I've heard people refer to Obama as a peacemaker, a healer. Really?
What do they think noting his non-existent son would look like Trayvon was supposed to convey?
Stop.
Any number of "fatherly" statements of empathy or concern could have been made without reference to his well known physical attributes. There was no need to personalize it..especially based on looks...especially in an already racially charged situation.
Instead of stating the obvious and giving the not so subtle subtle nod to presumed racism in the incident, when not necessary...How about stepping forward and telling the country that despite what NBP say, the law applies to all and there will be no allowance for bounties or any other vigilante behavior...including tweeting to incite violence.
That's what a peace maker, especially the "first black" (or as NYT might say white black) president would be wise to do. Holder would logically play a role but note how laughable this reasonable approach seems with the current players.
As it is, his silence is likely to be viewed as tacit approval.
That's no peacemaker. That's Obama...weighing in prematurely..and when it matters..voting present...or rather, absent.
To further explore this, imagine if the KKK had publicly declared a bounty/posse on a black person involved in a similar situation. There would be a HUGE clamoring for the president to say something and for DOJ to crack down.

Alex said...

I 2nd Rusty.

Revenant said...

We have seen first hand the advances in race relations and know how little it might take to undo what has been achieved.

What a load of crap.

The advance in race relations has primarily been in the way whites perceive other races. If you want that "undone", by all means -- keep supporting racially motivated lynch mobs like the "get Zimmerman" crowd.

Sure, I guess the dumber portions of black America might come out of this convinced they can't trust The Man. But their delusions aren't my problem. If they try to make it my problem, well, we'll see about that.

Paco Wové said...

"Give him, us, a break and open yourself to the possibility that you could be mistaken."

Ok. Are you also open to the possibility that you are the mistaken ones? TradGuy's position appears to be that Zimmerman must be sacrificed - regardless of facts - to prevent racial turmoil. That is "progress"?

The fact is that TradGuy has done a terrible job defending his position here (whatever it is).

Revenant said...

Sal shouldn't have been such a blowhard and he should have just put up pictures of black people because, after all, it was black people giving him money. Mookie shouldn't have started the riot.

See, this is why I *didn't* like that movie -- because that's the impression we're supposed to be left with.

But Sal did nothing wrong. His big crime was running his restaurant the way he wanted to run it. For this, he lost his livelihood. Which basically sent the message: whatever you do, don't live around poor black Americans. They're insane.

I dunno, I had a very different experience growing up in the south. The older generations were pretty bitter towards each other, but the younger folks got along well. There was none of that "you're in a [race] area, you do things the [race] way" mentality anymore. Heck, even interracial couples weren't all that unusual anymore.

Seven Machos said...

I used to think Sal did nothing wrong, too, and I grew up in a highly southern part of Missouri.

But, as I have gotten older, I see that Sal was wrong not to compromise. He was the one who chose to put his business there, and put his hall of fame up.

rcocean said...

"The fact is that TradGuy has done a terrible job defending his position here (whatever it is)."

That's because he's not trying to defend "His Position".

Hint: Think Moby.

traditionalguy said...

Rcocean...I am seeing your position to be similar to Fr. Fox. You seem to believe that an arrest, booking, bail granted awaiting a trial, an arraignment for a possible plea bargain, and a team of defense attorneys cross examiningg every shred of evidence, motions for mis-trials and directed verdicts ruled on before the jury is charged and the panel first begins to deliberate, if the jury does not hang up and compromise on a misdemeanoe verdict, all followed by appeals on the law charged and evidence rulings of the Judge, as a pagan human sacrifice that rips out a beating heart and eats it.

I suggest you watch Jimmy Stewart in Anatomy of a Murder. Forget all you saw in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

Zimmerman will be fine and get rich writing a book after a possible few months served and some non-reporting probation.

Meanwhile, everyone's faith in White Man's Justice will be affirmed rather that thrown out by a barbarian invasion seeking to sack the Legal System that I have spent two days defending.

Conservatives conserve things.
.

Fr Martin Fox said...

Traditionalguy:

Please stop misrepresenting my remarks. I think they are plain enough.

Since you refuse to engage with what I actually said, I guess we're done. Sorry to take that approach, but there it is.

Fr Martin Fox said...

I find it amazing that anyone can see the Black Panther Party calling for Zimmerman "dead or alive" is merely calling for a trial. I call it baying for blood.

traditionalguy said...

My apologies Fr Fox. I have sinned.

If the Justice system follows its own laws and re-enters the covere up of the stupid shooting death of Trayvon, then there would be no braying for blood by Panthers of either colors.

But we are stuck with vigilantism begatting vigilantism. Men like Spike Lee could defuse this locked up hold if honesty is tried in place of stone walling.

Oh yeah, the Police Chief left town and delegated his job, but not his pay to someone else unknown who has so far refused to speak to the public which noticed that it has been abandoned to the vigilantes.

You of all people should understand repentance and forgiveness is what is needed to cut the ground out from under the brayers for blood that are now bootstrapped into attention by a vacancy at the top. They will take the job opening if no one else has the courage to take it.

In honor of Zimmerman I have been watching The Brave One as I type this. Jodi Foster had the courage to take the job the police would not do.

Michael said...

Paco wove. If you read my post you will see that it was in response tp Pogo's questioning Trad Guy authenticity. I do not think you will find me calling for anyones blood here and frankly i find both sides of this discussion pretty appalling. I do not see this in political terms though if i did i would lean as far right as i always do. But there seems to be considerable misunderstandings among people here who normally comment in good faith and intelligently. It is too bad that we again find ourselves rent by arguments of race disguised as detective work or stupid gossip about which none of us know anything beyond our own strong prejudices. I will note that many who worked in civil rights in those days are bitterly disappointed at the left's cynical use of race to gain and hold power and more so at the continued gullibility of many in the black community and, of course, in the press. So it goes.

Fr Martin Fox said...

Trad:

First, I don't recall defending--strike that, even commenting at all one way or the other--on the conduct of the police or prosecutors.

Second, I won't quarrel with your point that the vigilantism arises in a vacuum. That may be. It's still just as irresponsible.

Third, I heartily second your endorsement of repentance and forgiveness. I'm not sure how that bears on anything I've posted here...but I'm all for it.

William said...

Roseanne accused her parents of sexually molesting her when she was an infant. This happened when she was pre verbal, but she had recovered memories of the crime. On the basis of this, she publicly accused her parents. She sets a pretty low barr, but she has now lowered it......I agree with tradguy. There was a homicide and Zimmerman was responsible. What his degree of culpability is I do not know, but all the facts should be made public. My sympathy for Zimmerman is a result of the virulent hatred that is being directed at him by people who know no more than the rest of us about what happened that night.

Revenant said...

But, as I have gotten older, I see that Sal was wrong not to compromise. He was the one who chose to put his business there, and put his hall of fame up.

Eh, I didn't buy that then and I don't buy it now. It was his store. If you don't like the way a pizza joint is run, don't eat at the pizza joint. Or open your own and run it how you like. Don't eat there and bitch, and don't try to trash it -- those are both chickenshit moves.

Honestly, the only characters in that film that are worth a damn are Sal and the Ossie Davis character.

damikesc said...

When will MSNBC suspend Al Sharpton for basically implying that riots will occur if Zimmerman isn't arrested?

Every single day he is on the air is MSNBC advocating riots over this.

The couple appears to be perfectly happy with his explanation and whatever settlement.

...because settlements never include requests to not badmouth the other party or anything...

Well, historically, Democrats are the party of the lynch mob.

People often mock Coulter, but the woman is freaky accurate. Her last book was about that topic specifically.

Spike Lee is an idiot. But let's not forget who performs all the "vigilante justice" in the USA: when was the last time a right wing leader was assassinated by a leftist? When was the last time a leftist killed a right wing yahoo? Violence from the right? Hmmm. Let's see. We've got Abraham Lincoln, Malcolm X, MLK, JFK, RFK, every reactionary jack booted right wing racist thug in the history of our great nation... and the marvelous Zimmerman.

In order:
Lincoln shot by a Democratic supporter. Malcolm X shot by a NoI member. JFK shot by a Communist. RFK shot by an anti-Israeli zealot. Ford shot by a hippie.

And I guess it's irrelevant that Zimmerman is a Democrat, right?

If you are afraid of the "new" Black Panthers or Spike Lee's vigilante posse that is because you enjoy being afraid of Scary Black Men. Please feel free to enjoy your fake victimhood, but don't pretend that it has any basis in reality.

The Panthers put a bounty on Zimmerman's head. Lee gave out what he thought was his address to get him killed.

Yes, pure paranoia. Really.

In fact, the reason all women use birth control absolutely does not have anything to do with you and Rush's unhealthily prurient interest in their sex lives.

Rush does not and did not care about her love life. She wanted US to pay for it. Screw that. It's not a legitimate use of taxpayers money

Lee is a great opportunity for us to re-start commnnications that have recently been lost behind a wall of denial that went up in the name of fighting race hustlers. All of this happened at The Zimmerman family's suggestion that they were the ones under attack and we owed them solidarity against a black hoard.

Celebrities tweeted addresses they thought was theirs to the mob. The Panthers have a bounty. NBC on-air personality Sharpton is basically threatening riots.

Yes, they don't have a black mob against them.

BTW, Hispanics, note how quickly the Democrats will worry about you. Republicans don't like bad immigration policy. Democrats, apparently, will allow lynch mobs against you...then again, it is a Democratic tradition.

He has a traditional morality and he identifies good where it is found and evil where it is found.

He tweeted the wrong address in the hopes of the mob getting to him.

Where the hell is his morality?

Screw Lee. I hope the mob decides to turn on him next.

We have seen first hand the advances in race relations and know how little it might take to undo what has been achieved.

If it requires allowing a mob to run things regularly to keep the peace, then who gives a damn about race relations? I'd rather have horrendous racial hatred then succumbing to mob rule.

If the Justice system follows its own laws and re-enters the covere up of the stupid shooting death of Trayvon, then there would be no braying for blood by Panthers of either colors.

So, again, if the system doesn't do what the mob wants --- then the mob is JUSTIFIED?

Is that REALLY what you wish to argue here?

rcommal said...

"Blogger Pogo said...

Seriously, who are you and what have you done with trad-guy?

3/30/12 2:46 PM"


Heh. I remember saying (though only to myself) the same exact thing about you, dear Pogo, starting something like 4 or so, give or take, years ago.

Living through life is a revelatory thing. It's what people experience and do, friend.