November 1, 2011

Who dumped the Cain sexual harassment story on Politico?

Everyone's speculating. Was it an "oppo dump"?

172 comments:

The Crack Emcee said...

Who dumped the Cain sexual harassment story on Politico? Everyone's speculating,...

See, it works like this:

I write 'em, and then I rest my case.

MadisonMan said...

Clinton.

madAsHell said...

The story doesn't seem to have much substance. No names. No dates.

Clinton's women had more veracity.

edutcher said...

The Demos are as afraid of Herman as they are of Sarah Palin, and for the same reason.

A thrall has made his/her own success without the help of government or affirmative action. That can't be allowed to stand.

Shanna said...

Ah, new thread so I'll just throw out the possibility that Mr. Cain leaked it himself. It's such a nonscandal it's hard to imagine it actually hurting him, plus it removes any damage from political opponents leaking at the wrong time. It also makes him look sympathetic and persecuted.

PETER V. BELLA said...

You mean the story with no facts? The kind of sort of we may have a story but we cannot or will not get specific with it because, uh, er, ah, cough cough, we don't have to.

aronamos said...

Dammit. Yesterday I clicked onto Sullivan and today onto Weigel. AUGH!

Scott M said...

Ah, new thread so I'll just throw out the possibility that Mr. Cain leaked it himself.

IF that is the case, and the scandal dies out with no where to go and no legs, I would throw my full support behind him as he would have displayed more intelligence and savvy than anyone that wants the job or has held the job for the last, oh, 30 years or so.

Unknown said...

Colonel Mustard, in the conservatory, with a lead pipe.

write_effort said...

Given Cain's performance on this issue, I'm beginning to think it came from someone in the business world who believes he's too incompetent to be anywhere near the GOP nomination. That last debate made me question how much of CEO Cain could have been. He seems disorganized and not willing to put in much effort.

traditionalguy said...

From the timing alone, it must be either the Romney 2012 campaign or the Jeb Bush 2016 campaign.

The Obama boys would have held it back as their October Surprise trump card.

But the 6 weeks beginning in January are the make or break for Romney. They would have waited another month if Cain was not running away from the Romney in the latest polls.

Cain can recover unless Fox News and the MSM outlets keep news of Cain's successes pushed off the off the air by running out the clock with an intense, baited breath interest in an O J Simpson like mystery investigation.

Every minute the media talks about black men's sexuality is another minute Cain's economic plans are being snowed under.

machine said...

Makes him look "sympathetic and persecuted"? It makes him look incompetent...he had two weeks to get rid of this non-story and he totally screwed it up with ever-shifting explanations that contradict statements made earlier in the same day!

So, the association paid off two women because Cain talked about how tall they are? Really?!

Politico contacted the Cain campaign two weeks ago seeking a response to the leaked information. If it were really nothing, the campaign could have cleared it up and a story may not of even been written. However, they didn't respond. This led to more digging and voila, a front page story.

Now, I don't think the claims are the story...it's the incompetent response. Changing the story, the contradictions, etc...

William said...

Could it be possible that this is just an example of journalists doing their job? Nah.....Will the next wave of investigation investigate the investigative journalists? If it turns out that, say, Perry planted the story, will they investigate who leaked Perry's planting...Will investigative journalists reveal the true identity of the women involved?....Have any of these women had a one night stand with an NBA player?....There are many questions that have not been answered. I'm just hoping that somewhere in this mix there is a porn star. A sex scandal without a porn star is like an egg without salt.

Mitochondri-Allie said...

Karl Rove.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/herman-cain-accuses-karl-rove-of-deliberate-attempt-to-damage-him/

“‘It’s a good thing the voters are not looking at Karl Rove’s little whiteboard,’ Cain said in a phone conversation from a stop in Chicago Monday afternoon. ‘I believe it is a deliberate attempt to damage me because I am not, quote unquote, the establishment choice. But why not go with the choice that the people seem to like?’
Cain accused Rove of bias in favor of candidates with big organizations, lots of money, and prior experience in political office — all things Cain doesn’t have. ‘What has Karl Rove done?’ Cain continued. ‘If I become the nominee, he has given Democrats talking points for a commercial to attack me. It makes no sense unless it’s a deliberate attempt on his part to try to push me down so that the candidate he wants rises to the top.’”

Spread Eagle said...

Cui bono? By that calculus, (1) Romney, (2) Perry, in that oreder.

Spread Eagle said...

And it's funny how the window-licking leftards get themselves all worked up into a lather about Cain, even right here on althouse. They're absolutely scared to death of him. Very reminiscent of Palin. And, more distantly, of Reagan. That all by itself is a tell that Cain is the one.

Jim said...

Shanna,

When I first heard about it, I considered the possibility that the Cain campaign did this themselves to get it out there. But the initial inept response by his handlers and by Cain himself tells me it was someone else.

I really don't understand the victim mentality on this. Cain himself says that he was accused and a settlement was paid. That's the crux of the story and it's turned out to be factual. For Cain to say that, as the head of the National Restaurant Association, he wasn't aware of any five-figure settlement being paid to two different people is laughable and ridiculous. He's made this worse by doing stuff like that.

I wouldn't hold the story against Cain. It's old, it didn't come up in previous campaigns, and he doesn't exhibit a pattern of lecherous behavior that we know of.

I do hold Cain's response against him. Their story changed, they instantly went into victim mode and even played the race card, which Herman has done three times now (all of which the lamestream media has ignored).

Cain is a good man but he's not running a good campaign. That much will be clear when money and a good ground organization (neither of which he has) become critical to winning actual contests.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

I wouldn't put it past the GOP. Cain, Perry, Gingrich, & Paul are too Southern. Right now the South is in a hell of a lot better shape politically and financially than the Northeast. The power seat may shift, so they've got to do something to get Magic Underwear Boy the nomination.

wv - bumpoke - Heh!

Christopher in MA said...

"They're absolutely scared to death of him."

I don't know so much scared as angry, SE. Cain (and Thomas and Sowell and West, &c.) are not what the left sees as real blacks. They aren't constantly harping on America's long-washed away "original sin," they don't fulminate about what a horrible, mean country this is (pace GODDAMN AMERIKKA! Wright and Michelle Antionette), and they show absolutely no thanks for the bounties of affirmative action (remember the whine about Thomas that now he was successful, he wanted to pull the ladder up behind him). Cain is a living rebuke to the left; the canary in the coal mine, as it were.

Now, I know the usual gang of idiots will post here to say "scared? Nonsense! We're praying you nominate this stumblebum, because our God King will beat him with three lobes of his brain tied behind his back!" But I find that to be disingenuous. As has been pointed out time and time again, you don't waste effort on a nonentity. You certainly don't find the GOP trying to whack Slow Joe.

cubanbob said...

What is missing here is who cares if it turns out to be true? After Bill "BJ the Perjurer" Clinton of what importance is this?

traditionalguy said...

The organized talking points are erupting already over the Hermacain's ordeal.

As an attorney we have a case to argue:
1)When the facts are on our side, then we argue the facts...That no harassment took place, only 12 year old false charges.
2) when the facts are not on our side, then we argue the procedures...that the other side broke court rules in timely responsiveness to discovery demands so their case deserves to be sanctioned by dismissal.

Commenters take your marks: ready, set, go!

Pogo said...

It's the lefty elitist attempt to get Romney the nomination. Just like they chose McCain.

Them're guys they can work on and with.

Chef Mojo said...

What's really interesting about this whole thing are the dogs that aren't barking, namely the MSM and, specifically, The Washington Post. The National Restaurant Association is part of their K Street beat, and you better believe if there was dirt on Cain while he was head of NRA, they'd have been all over that shit. The Post would never pass up something like this if there were even the slightest chance that they could act as a spoiler to Cain.

That the Politico "scooped" The Post on its beat is a laughable idea at best.

Having said all that, I believe Cain's people shopped it to Politico just to get this out now while it has time to burn itself out. Cain predicted he would be subject to a "high tech lynching" in the style of Clarence Thomas, and it has come to pass.

Risky and ballsy move on Cain's part.

William said...

Corzine just ran his firm into the ground, and there is a possibility that he misappropriated over half a billion dollars worth of customer accounts. This story comes to light not because of investigative journalism but because the company filed for bankruptcy. Think back to all the stories that were leaked about Christie's time as a prosecutor and how hard reporters dug to find the dark truth about this man.....This Cain story doesn't sit right. I read it as a demerit against Cain, but I can't help but think that there are other closets and other skeletons that are being ignored.

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Mick said...
And the lapdog Media, in love w/ the Usurper, try any kind of diversion. Like this Cain stuff is more important than, Fast and Furious, DOJ attacking American states, Solyndra, Reverand Wright, Ayers, Bankster greed, and criminality-- aided by the Usurper.


Then there is this, close to the "law prof's" heart--- Justiagate---

Tim Stanley, owner of Justiagate, and part of Obama for America, scrubbed references to Minor v. Happersett in 25 or more SCOTUS cases-- since they are inconvenient facts that prove that Obama is a Usurper, and not eligible. The criminality of this Usurper regime knows no bounds. I won't say I told you so!

Will the "law prof" report on this, since afterall she does run a "law blog".

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/justiagate-ceo-tim-stanley-admits-publishing-mangled-supreme-court-opinions-the-oyez-connection-scotus-response/

Roger J. said...

When ole bubba got his cocked sucked by a 21 year old fatty in the oval office not a big deal--that was Ok; liberal women were ready to put on knee pads so they could suck bubbas member as long as he kept abortion "legal".

all of a sudden some black dude MIGHT have made a comment (as yet unsourced) that sent liberal white women clutching their pearls and catching the vapours, we have a crisis--its OK as long as a charming rogue actually gets a hummer but someone makes what MIGHT be construed as suggestive, you go batshit.

Can one of you liberal bints explain this to me? Really--I would love to see what logic you can employ.

Erik said...

I'm still trying to figure out what the issue is. The facts so far are that Cain was accused and there was a (tiny) settlement. A settlement that seems to indicate there was no substance to the accusation.

Seriously, if this is the best Cain's opposition can come up with (with anonymous sources, no less), then Cain is probably in good shape. There needs to be some details. I suspect someone knows them, and they weren't released with the rest of the story because they were exculpatory.

AlphaLiberal said...

Anyone who runs for President and has not prepared for the inevitable "full public colonoscopy" is an idiot. Herman Cain is clearly a dumbass. Mark Block, his corrupt campaign manager, is likewise a dipshit.

As for all the people crying "foul" and "liberal media," get over yourselves. Politico is owned by a Republican operative and routinely advances Republican messages and themes. All they did was beat the rest of the pack to the story.

Cain is toast.

And, really, for a bunch of people who made a federal case out of a blow job, you guys have no standing to whine.

Scott M said...

Cain is toast.

Racist.

Mitochondri-Allie said...

Herman Cain strategist Mark Block said on Tuesday that the campaign has retained outside counsel to examine reports that a charity illegally donated to the campaign.
The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported on Monday that a tax-exempt charity founded by Block donated more than $40,000 worth of goods to the Cain campaign, which could be illegal.
“We have outside indie counsel to look at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel story and report back to us,” said Block, appearing at National Journal’s Election Preview event.
He declined to say more, chastising the panel’s moderators when they pressed for further answers.

http://nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/cain-campaign-launches-internal-investigation-on-possible-illegal-donations-20111101
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The sexual harassment thing may be put on the back burner if this thing starts heating up and boiling over.

Matt said...

Well since Ann Coulter says "our blacks are so much better than their blacks" we know that some conservatives still have a plantation attitude.

Who the fuck says things like that?

Cedarford said...

Spread Eagle said...
Cui bono? By that calculus, (1) Romney, (2) Perry, in that oreder.

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Except Romneys organization sees Cain as destroying Perrys money and organization..Cain is good for Romney, eating up Perrys donors and Southern Fundie voters every day, more and more.

The longer Cain stays in the race - with all his flaws - the better for Romney.

Of course the other "social values, religious right" candidates could be suspects, if they had the staff and resources..which apart from Gingrich and all his inside K Street contacts (inc the Restaurant Association) ..they don't have.

My suspects, in descending order:

1. Rick Perry's people.
2. A white lawyer with the Democrat Party, who does not want the black vote straying off the plantation.
3. Newt.

AlphaLiberal said...

Erik:

"I'm still trying to figure out what the issue is."

Allow me to help:

1) Charges of sexual harassment were made and published against a leading Presidential contender.

2) Said contender flubbed the response badly, engaged in a series of contradictory denials, claimed to have no knowledge of it, and changed his story repeatedly (pretty much every time he speaks).

3) Regardless of whether or not all, or only some of, the harassment charges have merit, Cain has now transformed his image into a sideshow dissembler who keeps changing his story and will not come clean. His credibility is vanishing.

Looks like you guys will be getting behind Mitt Romney, and all of his positions.

(Yeah, I know. Shut up, liberal. We hate you, liberal. Foam on, wingers. Your hate is all you have).

AlphaLiberal said...

Matt:
Who the fuck says things like that?

Racists.

Scott M said...

Who the fuck says things like that?

Really? You think there's a shortage of liberal bomb-throwers? Air America alone was replete with them and they made comments as bad or worse than that every single day. Almost their entire daily lineup was Bizarro-Coulter.

I know because I was one of the five people that listened to their programming.

AlphaLiberal said...

Roger J:

As rude and insulting as you are, I will try to explain the obvious to you.

A) No-one is calling for anything like impeachment (or legal) proceedings against Cain over the harassment. Republicans tied up our government to press an impeachment case over a blow job.

B) Bill Clinton also faced similar stories during the campaign. he handled it far better.

C) Thanks to the salacious Starr Report, we know that Monica Lewinsky was not exactly pressed into providing sexual favors by a superior. The quote "wanna see my thong?" kind of gave that away. (In my experience that's always a sign of willingness).

D) It is the Republican Party who is constantly telling us that they are out moral superiors. And they constantly have these little sexual scandalettes.

I don't give a rat's ass who Cain does the nasty with. It's the lying that gets him into trouble and tells me he will lie about a whole lot more. (Same as with Clinton's childish "it wasn't sex because it was a BJ" denials. Dems criticized Clinton, ask Gore).

Matt said...

edutcher

I know of no Democrat who is afraid of Herman Cain. Not one. In fact, mot Democrats would welcome Cain as the GOP nominee because Obama would win by a wider margin than he did against McCain.

And you are flat wrong about Cain getting no help from the government. He was in the Navy. As far as benefiting from affirmative action I don't know - do you? Are you 100% sure?

AlphaLiberal said...

Scott M:

You think there's a shortage of liberal bomb-throwers?

You do know that no-one you responded to actually said that, right? Really, it's tiresome when you flog your strawman.

Coulter is a very mean-spirited and nasty person. And she is a leader for the right wing, not an obscure commenter.

Shanna said...

) No-one is calling for anything like impeachment (or legal) proceedings against Cain over the harassment.

Well, he isn't elected to anything he can be impeached from, he's already had the equivalent of legal proceedings that ended in a tiny settlement and boot to the accuser, and these accusations are pretty ridiculously lacking in substance.

B) Bill Clinton also faced similar stories during the campaign. he handled it far better.

All that says is he's a good liar, as they were pretty much all true stories!

AlphaLiberal said...

So, to the title of the post, why does Ann Althouse jump to the assumption that the story was fed to Politico? Might they not have done background research on a candidate, talked to someone at NRA and learned about it?

Granted, plenty of people had motivation to feed it to them but it's a sign of paranoia to make the assumption.

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AlphaLiberal said...

Shanna:

he's already had the equivalent of legal proceedings

Really? What court? You mean his attorneys met with her attorneys and she had to sign a gag order as part of the deal.

these accusations are pretty ridiculously lacking in substance.

Uh, Cain has already admitted to the settlement after denying anything. At this point all you have is his side of the story and a woman who had to sign a gag order as part of the settlement.

All that says is he's a good liar, as they were pretty much all true stories!

During the campaign he sat there with his wife and made admissions. That was smarter, though keeping his fly zipped would have been smarter yet.

A lot of the accusations against him, including Whitewater, were ginned up by the right wing. If you gave a shit about the truth you would find many maybe most were lacking.

But, yes, Clinton was/is a hound dog, like many pols and many humans. But, hey, you go cast the first stone, eh?

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Matt said...

Scott M

You think there's a shortage of liberal bomb-throwers? Air America alone was replete with them and they made comments as bad or worse than that every single day.

You'll have to provide proof of that. True, bomb throwers exist on both sides. But if any idiot on the left or right says 'our blacks are better' I will openly condemn them. Everyone should.

The sad thing is I am sure a good people out there on both sides probably think it - so far are we from being a post racist country. But saying it on air in prime time fuels the fire in ways we really should not be.

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Scott M said...

Coulter is a very mean-spirited and nasty person. And she is a leader for the right wing, not an obscure commenter.

Coulter is simply, and nothing more, than a vastly more successful Mike Malloy. Make of that what you will, but they are cut from two sides of the same cloth.

Bill said...

"The Demos are as afraid of Herman as they are of Sarah Palin, and for the same reason."

If you honestly think the Democrats are afraid of Palin or Cain, you're delusional. At this point, the only candidate who has a shot of beating Obama is Romney. Otherwise, it's going to be another long, long 4 year.

Scott M said...

But if any idiot on the left or right says 'our blacks are better' I will openly condemn them. Everyone should.

Openly listen to "Make It Plain" every weekday afternoon on Sirius Left. You'll be condemning on a daily basis if what you say above is true.

Christopher in MA said...

"Republicans tied up our government to press an impeachment case over a blow job."

Over lying to a federal grand jury about said blow job, Alpha. But what the hell, truth and character's never mattered to you people before, why start now.

(and to parrot you at 11.32: yeah, winger, you hate Clinton. You hate Obama. Racist, hick, hater, hillbilly, single-chromosome doofus)

Chip Ahoy said...

Politico contacted the Cain campaign two weeks ago seeking a response to the leaked information. If it were really nothing, the campaign

You, Sir or Madam Machine, are a hack.

You know perfectly well that Politico contacted the Cain campaign with something without being specific. How can they possibly respond reasonably to nothing specific? Showing up here suddenly with this particular line of bullshit informs us you're just another operative. Piss off. We're not having your nonsense.

Unknown said...

Alpha: you are without a doubt one of the dumbest idiots I have ever seen posting--Am I rude? In what way? I merely pointed out there is a clear case of sexual shennanigans in the white house, but only vague allegations about Mr Cain--how is that rude and insulting?

As Mr Churchill said to Lady Astor--paraphrasing--in the morning I may be rude and insulting, but you will still be about the most foolish person ever to post on this blog.

ndspinelli said...

Early in my career I did some oppo political work and was repulsed by it and stopped. Always remember, the nastiest oppo work is intramural. Don't look first for the boogie man Dem. It may be, but look for the weasel Rep first.

Roger J. said...

Apolgies--the post appearing under the title "unknown" is actually mine--was logged in under a different email and responded herein on that email addy.

And yes, Alpha: you remain about the dumbest human being I ever met--you give liberalism a bad name.

edutcher said...

AlphaLiberal said...

Anyone who runs for President and has not prepared for the inevitable "full public colonoscopy" is an idiot. Herman Cain is clearly a dumbass. Mark Block, his corrupt campaign manager, is likewise a dipshit.

As for all the people crying "foul" and "liberal media," get over yourselves. Politico is owned by a Republican operative and routinely advances Republican messages and themes. All they did was beat the rest of the pack to the story.

Cain is toast.


Sure. That's why Alpha is in full "La La La" mode.

And, really, for a bunch of people who made a federal case out of a blow job, you guys have no standing to whine.

He lied to a Federal judge about it, so it was a Federal case.

Matt said...

edutcher

I know of no Democrat who is afraid of Herman Cain. Not one. In fact, mot Democrats would welcome Cain as the GOP nominee because Obama would win by a wider margin than he did against McCain.


Right now, Biden could be GodZero and it's going to get worse.

Put Herman up against Zero without TOTUS to tell him what to say.

Of course, all the Demos are scared of Herman, If they weren't, Matt wouldn't be writing such nonsense.

And you are flat wrong about Cain getting no help from the government. He was in the Navy. As far as benefiting from affirmative action I don't know - do you? Are you 100% sure?

A job with the Navy doesn't constitute help from the government. It's a job - and probably one given on the basis of merit, not color.

He had an MS in Computer Science from Purdue. That's as good as you can get. So, clearly, Matt thinks no black man can get a job with the US Navy without affirmative action.

Now who's a racist?

sablegsd said...

This reeks of Rove.

The Crack Emcee said...

I know of no Democrat who is afraid of Herman Cain. Not one. In fact, mot Democrats would welcome Cain as the GOP nominee because Obama would win by a wider margin than he did against McCain.

My black friends are mostly confused by Herman. Being libs, except for being black they don't really know how to see him, and they're happy to have someone around (me) who can at least give them a clue. Lots of questions - not really about him but conservatism and policy. (They all know Godfather's Pizza and liked it.) We got into it over Herman's Planned Parenthood stance (not our first on the abortion issue).

While I can't say they like Cain (yet) it's certainly not my sense they'll vote for Obama over him, at all, because they clearly see getting rid of Obama as one cure to their current situations. One of my friends is in the auto industry and he can't wait, though he's sad to be abandoning the country's FBP. My take:

I think blacks will eventually find Cain to be a welcome replacement.

edutcher said...

Shoulda been - Right now, Biden could beat GodZero.

WV "uglution" When Oil of Olay contains North Brent Crude.

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AlphaLiberal said...

"Over lying to a federal grand jury about said blow job, Alpha. "

OK, Brainiac. Now, why was a federal grand jury asking about the blow join the first place?

Because the right wing made a federal case out of it. It's not like they just happened to be chatting with him. It was the end result of nearly $100 million in government investigation based on the red herring that was the Whitewater story, plus the millions spent by Richard Mellon Scaife to try to bring Clinton down.

The right wing made a federal case out of a blowjob. Now, you are quickly dismissing complaints against Cain before Cain is even done changing his stories.

Damn you guys are dishonest.

Scott M said...

Shoulda been - Right now, Biden could beat GodZero.

I was wondering about that.

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Love said...

Crack - If you think the blacks voters will vote for Cain over Obama you're dreaming.

Maybe the ones who count on YOU to explain things, but not those who actually read and research for themselves.

With all of the information available to everybody, why would anyone need you or anybody for that matter to explain things anyway?

Scott M said...

Damn you guys are dishonest.

And you're a predictable ideologue who stoutly refuses to admit when wrong. Everyone's got their own crosses to bear.

Scott M said...

Maybe the ones who count on YOU to explain things, but not those who actually read and research for themselves.

If you think blacks voted almost en masse for Obama in 2008 because they actually read and researched him for themselves, you're not only dreaming, you're being willfully ignorant of life in these 57 united states.

Love said...

sorepaw - So with everything we've seen relating to President Obama, you're still locked onto his grades?

The fact that so many denigrated him, his family, his heritage, even his religion wasn't enough?

Matt said...

edutcher

Throwing some bombs of your own now, huh, eddie?

You have completely backward logic. I [honestly] say that Cain scares no Democrats and you say I mean the opposite. Okaaaaay.... If I say you are a dope does that really mean I am saying you are a genius?

Next, the Navy IS the government you dummy. But here's the thing. Who the f*&^ cares if he got help from the government? You are so blinded by your anti-affirmative action / anti-government aid views that you can't even accept the fact that a successful black man benefited from such a thing.

Get a clue eddie. If a black man achieves great success because [in part] of affirmative action that is a good thing! That is the whole idea of affirmative action. Why would you care if a rich and famous black man got help along the way from affirmative action vs them getting their 'on their own'?

Oh wait, let me answer that, it's because you won't accept the fact that sometimes affirmative action and government aid helps people achieve success.

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Love said...

Scott - I never said anything of the kind.

I said that blacks will vote for Obama over Cain. And for you to infer that they voted for him merely because they're black is rather demeaning and ignorant.

I also do not understand why Crack's friends or anybody else need for him or anybody to explain things to them.

Cedarford said...

Bill said...
"The Demos are as afraid of Herman as they are of Sarah Palin, and for the same reason."

If you honestly think the Democrats are afraid of Palin or Cain, you're delusional. At this point, the only candidate who has a shot of beating Obama is Romney. Otherwise, it's going to be another long, long 4 year.
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Truth.
Edutcher can get deep into a rightwing delusional mindframe. So can many others of them.
The delusion manifests in this way"

1. Superhuman electability traits are given to marginal idealogues on the right (or by Lefties gripped in the same delusion by similar candidates). Pundits on the left or right, that make considerable money pushing such zealots - hawk their pet hard - to make more money for themselves on talk radio, Fox, MSNBC.
2. When polls show they would be voting booth poison and most quietly drop off, the media is blamed for "destroying them".
3. When the few Left or Rightwing candidates that do get the nomination and then lose, for the most part, the fringe Right and Left console themselves by saying "Well, Candidate X shure done made liberals, Soro's (the Koch Brothers, Pelosi's) HEAD EXPLODE!! and shure done SENT A MESSAGE!

The Crack Emcee said...

BTW - being totally on topic:

It smells like Rove, but so what? That's his job. Now, our media:

Why'd the paper run it is the issue. They had nothing.

How are we to look at the media after 2008? That post-Watergate glow is certainly over, to the point we know they've gone beyond the phrase "not to be trusted." As the so-called Fourth Estate, is it about time we figure out a way to punish them for obvious deceptions (or would that just propel them to less obvious ones)? I, for one, am no longer comfortable with the media as represented today. Like climate "scientists," they are fast becoming the enemy within, to me.

Why papers in 2011 are running stories with no journalistic value is the first question I'd want answered.

Scott M said...

And for you to infer that they voted for him merely because they're black is rather demeaning and ignorant.

Demeaning? Yes, but probably not in the way you mean it. Ignorant? Hardly. It's akin to the same reason all the black people in the large crowd I was in cheered when OJ was pronounced not guilty. If you won't admit the two are related, I can't help you.

Love said...

sorepaw -Paula surfaced during the Whitewater investigation.

Unknown to either Lewinsky or Clinton, a former White House staffer Linda Tripp had recorded Lewinsky talking about her relations with Clinton. Tripp turned these tapes over to the Whitewater investigators who sought and received an expansion of the scope of the investigation to cover the President's Paula Jones testimony.

MadisonMan said...

I shouldn't have tagged Clinton with this on the day Hillary's Mom died. My sincere condolences to her and to her brothers. Losing a Mom is a definite dividing line in life.

Love said...

Scott - Once again, you're reading comprehension is lacking.

Of course blacks would have the natural tendency to vote for someone they more readily relate to, but you assume they all did so just because Obama is of color.

They, like many others, voted for him because they saw exactly what the previous administration did for us, and wanted a change.

He'll win again, too.

AlphaLiberal said...

sorepaw:

And, other than being from Arkansas, what did Paula Jones have in common with Whitewater?

He was deposed by Ken Starr in the case in question. Ken Starr was appointed Independent Counsel due to the accusations of scandal in the Whitewater investigation.

Ken Starr was not appointed Independent Counsel to deal with the accusation from Paula Jones, who was used or in league with the Scaife effort mentioned above.

How did sex issues surface in an investigation of a real estate transaction? Because Kenneth Starr was on a witch hunt, determined to drag down the President.

The horseshit is all yours.

Matt said...

The Crack Emcee

I think blacks will eventually find Cain to be a welcome replacement.

I think a good many folks will see Herman Cain the way they saw Alan Keyes. Perhaps not as far right wing, nonsensical and cuckoo but as a right wing attempt at countering the Obama phenomena. In other words, they would see cynicism much as many voters did with Palin being placed on the ticket to get the disenfranchised Hillary voters.

But I am pretty sure Cain won't beat Romney so it's sort of a moot point.

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AlphaLiberal said...

Love, Scott doesn't debate honestly. He can't handle debating liberals or others based on what they actually say so he makes up things to attribute to them and then debates that. he thinks he's being cute.

Reasoning is futile.

Love said...

Crack - "Why'd the paper run it is the issue. They had nothing."

Well, they evidently have much more than you think.

Much of what they know is probably covered by confidentiality agreement, but it appears Mr. Cain is slowly beginning to remember...hour by hour and day by day.

Do YOU actually believe he forgot all about it, and didn't know there was a settlement?

C'mon...

Clinton sure as hell didn't forget about Monica...and you know what that got him.

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The Crack Emcee said...

Love,

I said that blacks will vote for Obama over Cain. And for you to infer that they voted for him merely because they're black is rather demeaning and ignorant.

Shit, they voted for him because he's black and they aren't shy to say it. My favorite was a woman bragging in a cafe' that she was finally going to be able to vote for "a pretty president." I can count the number of blacks who wanted to talk Obama's policies on one hand.

I also do not understand why Crack's friends or anybody else need for him or anybody to explain things to them.

Who else is going to articulate conservatism or Herman Cain for them? You? The mainstream media? Please.

Love said...

sorepaw - Yeah, the media never ha anything negative to say about Obama.

Right.

Love said...

Crack - "Who else is going to articulate conservatism or Herman Cain for them? You? The mainstream media? Please."

Gee, how about Fox News or Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity or Glenn Beck or Ann Coulter or Bill O'Reilly any number of other far right talking heads? (All, by the way...part of the "mainstream media.)

Don't your friends own radios, televisions or computers?

Do they gather around you, waiting for the true conservative "message?"

Scott M said...

Of course blacks would have the natural tendency to vote for someone they more readily relate to

My, what a demeaning comment. What natural tendency are you talking about? In which way do they more readily identify with him?

but you assume they all did so just because Obama is of color.

You claim my reading comprehension is lacking and yet you have no problem getting what I said incorrect. I suppose you believe that they took a measured look at the candidates and didn't vote based on that "identification" in far greater numbers than not.

I'm sorry, Love, but the 9-to-1 margin Obama got from black voters against Hillary seems to prove you wrong.

Scott M said...

Love, Scott doesn't debate honestly. He can't handle debating liberals or others based on what they actually say so he makes up things to attribute to them and then debates that. he thinks he's being cute.

et tu, Alpha? That really stings from the guy that once referred to me as one of the only level-headed conservatives here. Please explain what I have said that's dishonest.

AlphaLiberal said...

sorepaw, now you are changing the subject! I proved you wrong but you lack the integrity to admit the point.

The Starr inquisition was an ever-expanding effort to get something, anything on Bill Clinton. After spending nearly $100 million all Starr had was a garden variety denial from a married man of having "sexual relations."

A woman friend of mine at the time said when she was in Catholic High School, many of the girls used the very same defense, stating that a blow job is not actually "sexual relations." He wasn't the first.

It's as meaningless and absurd as a political scandal can be, with no impact on real peoples' lives. The right wing tried to hang Clinton over Whitewater, Vince Foster's suicide, drug running from Columbia, firing Republicans from the White House travel office and a long list of bullshit and nonsense charges.

They had tens of millions of dollars and an ever-expanding scope of investigation and wound up with a big fat goose egg: zero, nothing, nada, squat, jack. (All the while al Qaeda was making plans).

Like I say, you guys are the experts in horseshit.

Christopher in MA said...

"It was the result of nearly a $100 million in government investigation based on the red herring that was the Whitewater story plus the millions spent by Richard Mellon Scaife to try to bring Clinton down."

You forgot the Koch brothers and the underpants gnomes, braniac. All part of that vast right wing conspiracy determined to shove besotted zaftig interns in front of Bill's WD-40 slathered zipper. How could he be expected to stay true to his marital vows, the poor fellow?

You're constantly screaming about other people's partisan politics, but the length you'll go to to defend a sleazebag like Clinton astonishes me. If Monica Lewinsky were your daughter, I'd half expect you to be be first in line to buy her a special Presidential-sealed thong with separate compartments for a cigar, lighter and cutter.

Love said...

Mat - Cain give Keys a pretty decent run in the cuckoo category.

He doesn't have a snowballs chance of getting the nomination...because the real money behind the GOP will not support a black candidate for President.

Period.

AlphaLiberal said...

Scott, it's here on this page. You misrepresent what people say.

The Crack Emcee said...

Matt,

I think a good many folks will see Herman Cain the way they saw Alan Keyes. Perhaps not as far right wing, nonsensical and cuckoo but as a right wing attempt at countering the Obama phenomena.

You could be right - no doubt - but it wouldn't be true. I'm a Tea Partier and Herman wasn't chosen because he's black - he was chosen because he's running. To suggest otherwise is a lie.

Love,

Crack - they evidently have much more than you think.

Much of what they know is probably covered by confidentiality agreement,...


That "probably" gives the game away - they, and you, have nothing. There's no confidentiality agreement. If there was, we'd know it - it would've been part of the story. And one more thing about my conversations with my black friends:

They may be libs, and even ignorant in many ways, but they're also more knowledgeable, and open to the reality of other views, than you appear to be.

Love said...

Christopher in MA - The usual Clinton bashing is really old news, even among the far right.

President Clinton walked out the door after being damn near impeached, with an approval rating well over 60%, and is still admired by a vast number of people throughout the entire world.

Name anybody in the GOP who caries the such admiration and gravitas.

So it appears it's YOU who is being disingenuous.

Scott M said...

Scott, it's here on this page.

Where, please?

You misrepresent what people say.

All the time, or just here on this page? Odd, that premise, considering I rarely, if ever, post a comment without italicizing what I'm referencing in right above it.

Cedarford said...

Matt- I know of no Democrat who is afraid of Herman Cain. Not one. In fact, mot Democrats would welcome Cain as the GOP nominee because Obama would win by a wider margin than he did against McCain.


edutcher - Of course, all the Demos are scared of Herman, If they weren't, Matt wouldn't be writing such nonsense

No, ed, Matt is being a truthful Democrat. I know it is rare, but truthful Democrats do exist. Right now, only Romney has a shot against Obama. I know that in your circles Obama is so hated that you find it as impossible to believe anyone would vote for him as Pauline Kael's infamous declaration that everyone she knew on Manhattan and in the Jewish suburbs of NYC hated Nixon and she was amazed anyone voted for him....but the reality is that you run a far right conservative..they will lose. That the country is disgruntled with Obama does not mean they have fallen in love with conservative true believers and the wealthy Jobs Creators (TM).

The only one who should be scared of Cain are his like-minded far rightists in the race and various media conservative pundits that see Cain as good for their money-making punditry business.
The problem of other candidates is Romney has no reason to attack Cain, as Cain is helping destroy Perry and the Texas money machine..

And Santorum and Bachmann are now reduced to ankle-biters with everyone wondering when they drop out. Ron Paul doesn't care about his rivals, he is off in his own universe.
Newt of course would be helped by Cain having his credibility damaged and I think he is cunning enough to work behind the scene to drag Cain down fast.
Perry appears too stupid to realize that he is not the frontrunner anymore and Romney is riding the Cain wave to help kill him off, while Perry focuses on Romney...not the guy stealing his voters and donors.

Dems are not scared of Cain, Bachmann, Santorum...all would be dream candidates to run Obama against.
Probably Newt too with his baggage, or the unelectable Ron Paul (He may be half-crazy but he is also half really right!!), or Perry if he continues to leave the impression he is a dumber Dubya from Texas.

The conservative media pundits will push the rightwingers as long as they can get money from pushing their pet candidate. They have already given up on Santorum and Bachmann. They hate "RINO" Newt more than Romney as a group, are disturbed by Perry, but will push the non-Romneys as long and as hard as their listener and reader numbers can support it.

Love said...

Crack - No agreements...according to who? YOU?

"During Herman Cain’s tenure as the head of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, at least two female employees complained to colleagues and senior association officials about inappropriate behavior by Cain, ultimately leaving their jobs at the trade group, multiple sources confirm to POLITICO.

The women complained of sexually suggestive behavior by Cain that made them angry and uncomfortable, the sources said, and they signed agreements with the restaurant group that gave them financial payouts to leave the association. The agreements also included language that bars the women from talking about their departures."

OR

Via Townhall.com (not exactly left wing)


"During Herman Cain’s tenure as the head of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, at least two female employees complained to colleagues and senior association officials about inappropriate behavior by Cain, ultimately leaving their jobs at the trade group, multiple sources confirm to POLITICO. The women complained of sexually suggestive behavior by Cain that made them angry and uncomfortable, the sources said, and they signed agreements with the restaurant group that gave them financial payouts to leave the association. The agreements also included language that bars the women from talking about their departures."

The Crack Emcee said...

Love,

Gee, how about Fox News or Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity or Glenn Beck or Ann Coulter or Bill O'Reilly any number of other far right talking heads? (All, by the way...part of the "mainstream media.)

More blacks listen to Rush than people think. I was introduced to Beck's work through a black friend. Everybody watches Bill O'Reilly. None of us consider them the mainstream media.

Don't your friends own radios, televisions or computers?

Yes, but generally they use them for communication, entertainment, and, specifically, music.

Do they gather around you, waiting for the true conservative "message?"

No, the person we gather around is the host of the home. I come over and they offer me a beer, as they put the 6 pack I arrived with in the freezer. Then we retire to the garage where we smoke in a loose circle around a pool table as games are played - I am almost always the only conservative but, since Obama's proved a flop as I said he would, nothing's made of it, except for when we're joshing.

From there, it's just a normal conversation that swings from the personal to the political and everything in between. Some of us are bright, some hindered educationally, and some "just don't give a fuck." It's a nice mix - and no one's feelings are spared.

That's how it goes.

Scott M said...

except for when we're joshing

Crack did NOT just say "joshing" when referring to men cracking each other balls around a pool table in a garage heavy with smoke. Please tell me that did not just happen.

The Crack Emcee said...

Love,

Crack - No agreements...according to who? YOU?

Please, that's a normal part of a sexual harassment claim. We were talking about confidentiality agreements with the papers.

You've got nothing. And I love this:

Cain,...doesn't have a snowballs chance of getting the nomination...because the real money behind the GOP will not support a black candidate for President.

Period.


Then all that effort to elect Colin Powell - years before Obama - was just my imagination.

Like I said, my black friends would put you to shame.

The Crack Emcee said...

Scott M,

Crack did NOT just say "joshing" when referring to men cracking each other balls around a pool table in a garage heavy with smoke. Please tell me that did not just happen.

LOL! I'm talking to white folks, what do you want from me?

Christopher in MA said...

"Clinton walked out the door after being damn near impeached, with an approval rating well over 60% and is still admired by a vast number of people throughout the entire world."

Charming con artists will always have starstruck ninnies fluttering around them who mistake popularity for gravitas. See Obama, B. Hussein.

And for the record, it was Alpha who introduced the Syphilitic Hillbilly to the thread, whining that poor Bill was brought to his knees (as it were) by the kerfuffle over a mere blow job. Frankly, I give Clinton as much thought on a daily basis as I do you. Which is to say, not at all.

If Cain is guilty of real harrassment (not the silly pearl-clutching after a man tells a hypersentitive bint "you look pretty today,"), then I want him to drop out. I prefer to leave desperate excuse-making for immoral sociopaths with its natural home in the Democrat party.

Matt said...

The Crack Emcee

Herman wasn't chosen because he's black - he was chosen because he's running. To suggest otherwise is a lie.

Agreed. I was talking about the perception of some voters. I would say most voters would like Cain much better than Keyes but still think he has no chance.


Cedarford

Nice Pauline Kael reference. And appropriate.

Scott M said...

LOL! I'm talking to white folks, what do you want from me?

You didn't go white. You went English Boarding School on us.

Spread Eagle said...

The longer Cain stays in the race - with all his flaws - the better for Romney.

A month ago I'd have agreed. But that ship has sailed. Cain is by many accounts now the front runner, ahead of both Romney and Perry, and the latter seems to be fading fast into the rear view. Romney may now see Cain as an existential threat, especially since Cain is strongest where Romney is weakest: among tea parties and true conservatives.

Me, I'm not yet convinced Romney can win anywhere besides the Northeast and Michigan.

Michael said...

The Pauline Kael quote doesn't work both ways as you think it should. The difference is that most conservatives are assaulted by leftist culture from the day they are old enough to listen to the radio or watch tv and thus are better equipped to know and debate with other points of view. These outlets only reinforce the beliefs of leftists. Difference with a distinction.

Peter Hoh said...

If the Romney campaign knew about this story, they would have continued to sit on it. Cain is doing the Romney campaign a lot of good right now. They wouldn't want to see him mired in scandal -- not yet, anyway.

Perry's campaign would benefit from this story, and the timing makes sense for his campaign, as well. However, there are plenty of establishment Republicans who don't want to see Cain get the nomination, and for any of them who happened to know about this story, the fact that Cain was polling well would be enough to motivate them to leak the story.

While I like the conspiracy theory that Cain's campaign leaked this story to get it out of the way, Cain's response hasn't been scripted well enough for me to accept that this was planned by his campaign.

Here's Cain today, explaining why he first claimed that he didn't know about any settlement:

Cain responded that the word 'settlement' made him think legal settlement, which was what he based his first statements on.

"Later as I thought about it and thought about it I did recall an agreement with the lady that left who made the false accusations." Cain added, "So that's when I said, yes there was an agreement.

"When I was initially hit with this when I woke up yesterday morning trying to stay focused on my day I didn't recall it right away, so yes there was an agreement that I later added to my explanation."


Pretty soon, he's going to be telling us that it all depends what the definition of "is" is.

Michael said...

Blacks voted for Obama because he is a Democrat. Fewer will vote for him if he runs against Cain. Cain will be the first Republican to pull significant African American votes from the Democratic party. Enough to win.

Scott M said...

Blacks voted for Obama because he is a Democrat.

Why did they vote for him in the Democrat primaries?

The Crack Emcee said...

Scott M,

You didn't go white. You went English Boarding School on us.

LOL! You're killing me!

You'd fit right in with my friends and I,...

The Crack Emcee said...

Michael,

Blacks voted for Obama because he is black. Fewer will vote for him if he runs against Cain.

FIFY.

Shanna said...

he's already had the equivalent of legal proceedings

Really? What court? You mean his attorneys met with her attorneys and she had to sign a gag order as part of the deal.

A settlement is a decision to accept money in lieu of sueing. If she wanted to sue, that was her chance. Clearly, she decided she was better off extorting a company/organization than she would be in open court. That is what I mean. All this talk of a ‘gag’ order…if so it’s something she accepted because she thought that was her best bet. Nobody can make you sign a paper if you don’t want to. She signed it to get money.

On Clinton, I seem to recall a whole lotta sleazy denials and sliming of various women. I’m from Arkansas and whenever people asked me about those rumor I always told them they were true. Not sure who believed me until it all hit the fan. As for Whitewater, Jim Guy is now a felon (even if he didn’t have to go jail because of his liver (?) problems. So, no, that wasn’t all smoke and no fire.

Tyrone Slothrop said...

First, let me say, Crack, you're on fire. I almost feel sorry for the melonheaded lefties. Almost.

Blacks voted for Obama because he is black, I think there is no question of that. What was the split-- 95%-5%? You think that's because blacks love the Democrat party that much? Puh-leeze. If I were black I think I would have voted for him myself, and damn the consequences.

Yes it's unlikely that Cain could get a nearly even split of the black vote with Obama, but 80%-20% would be enough to get him elected. I'm a pessimist, and I think he'll actually pull more like 70%-30%. Most importantly, the blacks that vote for Cain will never go back to the Democrat plantation, to be exploited and taken for granted by condescending white elites. To borrow a New Age word (sorry Crack), they will be empowered by their vote. That's how it feels when you vote for the rights of individuals over the collective. It's a vote of confidence in oneself.

homo Ĺ“conomicus said...

KARL ROVE!

Love said...

Cain will not be the GOP candidate, is nothing more than the latest Palin money grubber, setting himself up for future speaking fees and of course Fox.

President Obama will beat whoever somehow makes it through the primaries...probably Romney.

The GOP has no ideas, no solutions and no spine.

They had eight years to prove otherwise and instead left America holding the bag.

Michael said...

"The GOP has no ideas, no solutions and no spine."

The Republicans have produced budgets whereas the Democrats have not. Not in two years. The Republicans had the spine to "hold the nation hostage" to get what they wanted during the debt ceiling discussions. Had they not had the spine the ceiling would have been raised without a murmur and business as usual would have ensued. The spine changed the conversation. The Democratic "idea" is to blame the economic crisis how much bankers make. Hilarious.

Michael said...

Crack: I wrote it that way because Blacks in the US vote Democratic as a block and have for fifty years. Cain will break that cycle forever.

Scott M said...

The GOP has no ideas, no solutions and no spine.

Those spine-filled Democrats you're beholden to, Love, haven't put forward a budget, as is their Constitutional duty, in two years. Two. Years. A Congress of the United States hasn't put forward a budget...in two years. Think about that. Two Years. No Budget.

Don't give me "it never would have passed". You're the one that brought up ideas and spine. The Democrats have proven they have neither.

write_effort said...

Cain might want to consider ending his candidacy while he still has claim to credibility as a motivational speaker. With his bumbling of this issue, the next area of investigation will be his career as an executive, because he just does not look like someone who could manage anything.

Indigo Red said...

One of the Cain accusers wants to go public, but "is barred by a confidentiality agreement." Or so says her lawyer.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/lawyer-cain-accuser-wants-to-talk-but-is-barred-by-agreement/2011/11/01/gIQA0bOIdM_story.html

Cedarford said...

Love - They (republicans) had eight years to prove otherwise and instead left America holding the bag.

It is a fair charge, though it was actually 4 years Republicans had the Presidency and Congress (2002-2006). In that timespan, the REpublicans really blew it - not just with social conservatives but also with any awareness that they had a teetering nation that desperately needed some corrections before the economy and financial situation blew up.

It was all about more tax cuts for the Jobs Creators, Tom Delay and K street gorging themselves on the public trough while Bush monomanically focused on a few hundred "Evildoers" and the needs of the noble Iraqis.

Part of the Republican task is to admit they blew it under Dubya, convince voters that they will do better than Dubya, Frist, and DeLay did.

Contrary to hard conservative dogma - the country does NOT nod in agreement with the Bush faced poster asking "Miss Me Yet?".

Michael said...

There is no question that one or both of the accusers will break their confidentiality agreements and go public. They will not be able to resist the temptation to cash in twice. Watch.

The blowback will also be worth noting. The alleged compensation has been repeated as "five figures." Not high five figures and not low five figures. Probably ten grand. The allegations will be unsupported by evidence. The women may be interesting to investigate.

Love said...

Cedar - "It is a fair charge, though it was actually 4 years Republicans had the Presidency and Congress (2002-2006)."

The why do you put all of the blame on Obama?

Oh, wait...I forgot: it's ALL about that black dude running the show.

Love said...

Michael -"The allegations will be unsupported by evidence."

Based on what?

Your pipe dreams?

If that's the case, why is it so difficult for Cain to remember damn near anything?

Why doesn't he just ask that ALL "evidence" be presented in an open forum??

Love said...

Another reason the GOP is doomed to defeat...for whatever reason they continue to disavow climate change:

WASHINGTON -- For a world already weary of weather catastrophes, the latest warning from top climate scientists paints a grim future: More floods, more heat waves, more droughts and greater costs to deal with them.

A draft summary of an international scientific report obtained by The Associated Press says the extremes caused by global warming could eventually grow so severe that some locations become "increasingly marginal as places to live."

The report from the Nobel Prize-winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change marks a change in climate science, from focusing on subtle shifts in average temperatures to concentrating on the harder-to-analyze freak events that grab headlines, hurt economies and kill people.

"The extremes are a really noticeable aspect of climate change," said Jerry Meehl, senior scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research. "I think people realize that the extremes are where we are going to see a lot of the impacts of climate change."

Cedarford said...

Love - "The why do you put all of the blame on Obama?"

You don't read too well. The last 10 dismal years have been the fault of the two Parties, Wall Street, the entitlements gobblers, and the American people for being too fat dumb and spoiled to protest and change the whole rotten system.
Not just Obama. And as I said, few miss Dubya.

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Love - "Love said...
Another reason the GOP is doomed to defeat...for whatever reason they continue to disavow climate change:"

Who is they?
Last I looked, Romney+Gingrich+Huntsman all accepted the climate was warming and man likely had a part in it...without rushing into demanding Algore-style "last chance we have is to act now to avert the doom of all life!" alarmism that would give China a free pass and destroy the Western economies.
Ron Paul says he doesn't know, but people should be free to obtain and use energy up until the point where it is demonstrated that doing so would harm others and that the alarmists hadn't made their case that measures to gut the US economy would be needed or make any difference.

By they - if you mean the Fundies and right wing pundits in the entertainment industry - true. But they are not "all the GOP".

gutless said...

This is just the beginning. Release of the MP3 archives of the Herman Cain show on Atlanta radio should be a treasure trove.

Writ Small said...

I'll play:

1) Reporters dug it up all on their own. It's not impossible, but Politico isn't know for having the sort of resources required to do that sort of thorough investigative reporting. Possible, but not likely: 10% chance.

2) Team Obama. They've got the resources. Certainly, they're digging for dirt on all of the front runners. Timing is suspicious, however. Why fire your guns in the primaries? Better to hold out until the field is much more narrowed. On the other hand, the timing conveniently throws suspicion off of them. Perhaps they're trying to sow dissention in the Republican ranks. Probability: 20%.

3) One of the lower tier candidates: Newt, Bachmann, Paul, Santorum. Highly doubtful. This sort of oppo research takes big bucks. None of these guys have it. Newt in particular seems highly implausible given his, err, past. Probability: 5%.

4) Cain himself. I don't think anyone who has seen Cain's initial immediately contradicted explanation buys this for a minute. Human nature says no way. Probability: 0.01%

5) Romney. Romney has the resources to do the opposition research. Romney has a motive for taking Cain down a peg. On the other hand, Cain is poorly resourced and Romney has seen Perry as his main, long term threat. Cain has been highly useful in keeping Perry marginalized, and the two (Cain and Romney) have studiously avoided attacking each other in the debates. It doesn't feel right. Probability: 30%

6) Perry. Like Romney, Perry has a massive war chest and likely has a good amount of dirt on all of his opponents. Cain said Perry is the only one he wouldn't serve with following the painted rock controversy. While Perry floundered in the debates, his support mainly went to Cain (see Florida straw poll). For Perry to win he must take down both Romney and Cain. He's going full frontal on Romney, so a stealth attack on Cain is a logical strategy. This sort of sliming of a fellow Republican is a sign of desperation. Who has shown more recent desperation than Perry? Probability: 65%.

7) Independent Actor (e.g. Rove). I don't see a good case for it, but given this covers a whole lot of potential motivations, you can't rule it out. Probability: 10%.

8) Someone disgruntled from Cain's past. Capable people make enemies. Probability: 10%.

I realize my figures don't add up to 100%. Just my (independent) gut on the chances for each case.

Synova said...

"I also do not understand why Crack's friends or anybody else need for him or anybody to explain things to them."

Because it always helps to understand people who have a different opinion than you do if you let them explain instead of just making up shit.

If Crack's friends are willing to listen, they're more open minded than most liberals these days who just want to shut up anyone with dangerous ideas.

FOX News, bad for America! Love me some Fairness Doctrine.

Synova said...

"Another reason the GOP is doomed to defeat...for whatever reason they continue to disavow climate change:"

Let me Sum-Up.

All those things that weakened AGW climate change claims when stupid reporters reported them... summers are hot, winters are cold, the wind blows... are really the proof of it. They catch people's attention because they're extreme. Extreme things that catch people's attention, also are good ways to get grant money, so we're going to study them. Yay!

And really, Love. The world is warming or it isn't. What rational people would prefer is that people stop using extreme weather "that hurt economies and kill people" to enact radical economic policies that hurt economies and kill people.

Because the Earth might *not* since it doesn't care and doesn't do anything on purpose with malice, but people do when they try to restrict energy production and industrial development in third-world nations. It's CUTE when poor brown people live in harmony with nature and planet Earth after all, without electricity or the medicine that depends on electricity and without enough to eat because someone freaked them all out over GM foods, and we've got our infrastructure in place and plenty to eat so what the fuck do we care? It's for the planet so we're the most moral of all.

Bill said...

Ugh, Jesus Christ, Synova. You know what? God is dicking around with the climate. My god. Ignorant morons like you are the reason that we end up looking bad.

Global warming is absolutely real. The world is doing it on its own, but humans are definitely accelerating the process. I'm sure that evolution is a sham, too, right? Oh, and I'm sure that "intelligent design" should be taught in science classes, shouldn't it? Go back to the loony bin.

Apparently, some conservatives want to take the unrealistic view that Cain is capable of winning. Democrats are not phased by him at all, and they shouldn't be. His "9-9-9" plan, which apparently has already been changed, is a failure out of the box. It kills the middle and lower classes. You really think blacks are going to jump for that? No.

I've said it once, and I'll say it a million times. The only candidate who has a shot of beating Obama, is Romney. The GOP needs to find a worthwhile candidate, because as of right now, we're in for another long, long 4 years.

Tyrone Slothrop said...

I noticed a strange peace, and a sweet smell in this thread. Then I realized neither J nor Mitochondri-Allie have shown up yet.

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Love said...

For The Crack man:

By Sandhya Somashekhar and James V. Grimaldi, Tuesday, November 1, 3:51 PM

A woman who accused Herman Cain of sexual harassment in the 1990s is ready for her story to come out, her lawyer said Tuesday, even as the Republican presidential hopeful spent a second day trying to quell the mounting controversy and explain his conflicting recollections of the matter.

Joel P. Bennett, the attorney for one of two women who made the claims against Cain, said Tuesday that his client is barred from publicly relating her side because of a nondisclosure agreement she signed upon leaving the National Restaurant Association, where Cain served as president from 1996 through 1999.

Bennett is calling on the association to waive the agreement so the woman, a federal worker living in suburban Maryland, can rebut Cain’s statements this week that the allegations were false and baseless.

“It is just frustrating that Herman Cain is going around bad-mouthing the two complainants, and my client is blocked by a confidentiality agreement,” Bennett said in an interview. “The National Restaurant Association ought to release them and allow them to respond.”

Love said...

Synova - Brains of a titmouse.

Science bad...ignorance bad.

North Dallas Thirty said...

Ugh, Jesus Christ, Synova. You know what? God is dicking around with the climate. My god. Ignorant morons like you are the reason that we end up looking bad.

Actually, Bill, what looks bad is liberals like yourself and your friends Nancy Pelosi and Al Gore screaming about global warming as you drive yourself to your twelve-thousand-square-foot energy sucking mansion in your SUV after flying a few thousand miles in your government 757.

Seems if you actually believed the "science" you're pushing, you'd be making some behavioral changes of your own. You're not.

Nice try, liar boy. Perhaps you can explain why your Pelosi says non-unionized factories should be shut down by the government. We know your Romneybot agrees with that, doesn't he?

Love said...

Wit Small-Minded - A woman who accused Herman Cain of sexual harassment in the 1990s is ready for her story to come out, her lawyer said Tuesday, even as the Republican presidential hopeful spent a second day trying to quell the mounting controversy and explain his conflicting recollections of the matter.

Joel P. Bennett, the attorney for one of two women who made the claims against Cain, said Tuesday that his client is barred from publicly relating her side because of a nondisclosure agreement she signed upon leaving the National Restaurant Association, where Cain served as president from 1996 through 1999.

Bennett is calling on the association to waive the agreement so the woman, a federal worker living in suburban Maryland, can rebut Cain’s statements this week that the allegations were false and baseless.

“It is just frustrating that Herman Cain is going around bad-mouthing the two complainants, and my client is blocked by a confidentiality agreement,” Bennett said in an interview. “The National Restaurant Association ought to release them and allow them to respond.”

North Dallas Thirty said...

I think the spin from perjury-supporter Love is downright hilarious.

Joel P. Bennett, the attorney for one of two women who made the claims against Cain, said Tuesday that his client is barred from publicly relating her side because of a nondisclosure agreement she signed upon leaving the National Restaurant Association, where Cain served as president from 1996 through 1999.

Whore should have thought of that before she broke the agreement herself for her Barack Obama's promise of a promotion.

Whore signed an agreement not to say anything. Whore lied. Whore is now screaming and crying as whore is called out publicly because the minute she reveals her identity, she acknowledges that she broke the agreement and has to pay up.

Allie's Apple said...

Tyrone, oh well, I guess I won't help you out with J anymore.

Love said...

North Dallas Thirty - It's climate change.

Take some time to actually read about if before posting.

*Ask people in Texas what they think about it.

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North Dallas Thirty - It's climate change.

And I repeat myself, perjury supporter Love: what looks bad is liberals like yourself and your friends Nancy Pelosi and Al Gore screaming about global warming as you drive yourself to your twelve-thousand-square-foot energy sucking mansion in your SUV after flying a few thousand miles in your government 757.

Seems if you actually believed the "science" you're pushing, you'd be making some behavioral changes of your own. You're not.

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Allie's Apple said...

North Dallas Thirty, I envision you standing at the pulpit screaming "WHORE!", out to the Ladies in their weekly Auxiliary meeting.What a visual,lol.

North Dallas Thirty said...

North Dallas Thirty - Sorry, I had no idea what ju\\kind of kuckle-dragger I was dealing with.

You're embarrassing.


Yup, I embarrass the hell out of liar liberals like yourself who don't think past your talking points.

What's the matter, boy? Don't like having the hypocrisy of your Pelosi rubbed in your face? Don't like being reminded of how your Clinton lied under oath and how you screamed that sexually harassing women was perfectly OK when he did it?

Come on, Love. Why not man up and say that Clinton was right to lie under oath and that Obama Party members can sexually harass whomever they want? After all, your party worships murdering drunk Ted Kennedy.

edwardroyce said...

@ Unknown

"Colonel Mustard, in the conservatory, with a lead pipe."

Who beat some sense into Dave Weigel.

...

Wait we're not playing Carnac the Magnificent?

wv: whizz. ... no. that is too easy.

Love said...

North Dallas - I refuse to deal with people like you. Small
women hating men.

Move on.

Allie's Apple said...

North Dallas Thirty, wipe the spittle off your mouth.

North Dallas Thirty said...

North Dallas Thirty, I envision you standing at the pulpit screaming "WHORE!", out to the Ladies in their weekly Auxiliary meeting.What a visual,lol.

Nope, sorry. That's just saved for people like the whore who's attacking Cain.

Meanwhile, let's remember that you support and endorse calling women whores when your precious Bill Clinton was in trouble and even today. Heck, Barack Obama supporters like you even endorse rape.

Since you support rape, Allie, who cares what you think? Like a good racist, you even threaten to use your "black brothers" to carry out gang rapes.

Love said...

sorepaw - "If you have an argument, produce it."

Other than what has been reported by over 2500 climatologists and every National Academy of Science worldwide?

Do you even read anything before posting?

edwardroyce said...

@ Jim

"For Cain to say that, as the head of the National Restaurant Association, he wasn't aware of any five-figure settlement being paid to two different people is laughable and ridiculous."

Frankly it's stuff like this that aggravates me. If you're going to criticize then at least get the facts right. Otherwise all you're doing is showing that regarding your opinion or logic as anything but useless drivel is a mistake.

1. 2 separate women with 2 separate allegations.

2. Cain stated he knew that 1 of the 2 women had been given a 5 figure settlement, which amounts to a couple months pay as a severence.

3. Cain state that he did not know that the other woman got a settlement at all.

Try to keep up.

North Dallas Thirty said...

North Dallas - I refuse to deal with people like you. Small
women hating men.

I love it when rape supporters like Love try to accuse other people of being "woman hating".

I would think calling for rape like the Obama Party does would be the ultimate in woman-hating. But then again, Love and Allie are so perverted and twisted that they defend and support rape of their political opponents as being a GOOD thing.

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Allie's Apple said...

Love, you would think his knuckles would get chaffed .

Love said...

Well, even evidently reached the bottom of the evolutionary/intelligence/class
ladder at this point so...adios.

*Dallas - That's Spanish for good-bye.

Duh.

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North Dallas Thirty said...

Other than what has been reported by over 2500 climatologists and every National Academy of Science worldwide?

Do you even read anything before posting?


Yup, and lots more than you do.

Now, boy, you haven't dealt with this: what looks bad is liberals like yourself and your friends Nancy Pelosi and Al Gore screaming about global warming as you drive yourself to your twelve-thousand-square-foot energy sucking mansion in your SUV after flying a few thousand miles in your government 757.

Seems if you actually believed the "science" you're pushing, you'd be making some behavioral changes of your own. You're not.

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North Dallas Thirty said...

Well, even evidently reached the bottom of the evolutionary/intelligence/class
ladder at this point so...adios.

*Dallas - That's Spanish for good-bye.

Duh.


Nope. In this case, it's coward for running away since it can't provide facts or sources and has had its Obama-supplied talking points thrown back in its face.

Rapists are invariably cowards. Just like you, Love.

Tyrone Slothrop said...

Allie's Apple said...

Tyrone, oh well, I guess I won't help you out with J anymore.


He's all yours, babe.

Love said...

edwardroyce - So you believe Cain, as head of the National Restaurant Association, had no idea a complaint had been filed or that a settlement had been reached?

Really?

No idea

Nobody mentioned it...even thought it was he himself who had been accused?

A complete shock?

Duh.

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Love said...

Bottom of the intelligence barrel.

Good night.

Allie's Apple said...

Tyrone, since he thinks we are one and the same , he is ours, because you know that you are me and I am you.

North Dallas Thirty said...

edwardroyce - So you believe Cain, as head of the National Restaurant Association, had no idea a complaint had been filed or that a settlement had been reached?

And Barack Obama had no idea that his orders to give guns to the Mexican drug cartels or to hand over half a billion dollars to his cronies at Solyndra in time for his photo ops were being carried out either.

Would you like to state that Barack Obama was ignorant and stupid, Love? Or would you like to continue to demonstrate how hypocritical rape-supporting fools like you can shoot yourself in the foot over and over again?

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Allie's Apple said...

Tyrone, since he thinks we are one and the same , he is ours, because you know that you are me and I am you.


Oh, thanks. Now I'm having an identity crisis.

Col Mustard said...

Colonel Mustard, in the conservatory, with a lead pipe.

I was in a different room at the time with Miss Scarlet (with a lead pipe). Hush, hush, what?

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Allie's Apple said...

I still hear a yapping little Althouse dog.He didn't scram.

William said...

Look at the subsequent careers of Monica Lewinsky and Anita Hill. Monica, to the extent that she has not been marginalized, has become a synonymn for an obscene act. She has not cashed in on her fame; rather she has been cashiered by her infamy. Compare her sad fate with that of Anita HIll. Anita Hill has tenure and the love and respect of all enlightened women for her brave struggle.....Here is the useful, indeed lucrative, lesson to be learned from these examples: There is no down side to accusing a black Republican of sexual harassment. There is no upside to being sexually exploited by a powerful Democrat.....The woman in the Cain case who asks permission to go public has absorbed this useful lesson. She will soon become a Noble Personage. She will make far more from this event than the dinky five figures already banked....If you analyze who has the most to gain from the squeeze of this sleaze, it is obviously her. Who's to say she did not tell her lawyer to contact Politico? I say this story came not from oppo research but from her.

The Crack Emcee said...

Cedarford and Love,

They (republicans) had eight years to prove otherwise and instead left America holding the bag.

It is a fair charge, though it was actually 4 years Republicans had the Presidency and Congress (2002-2006). In that timespan, the REpublicans really blew it - not just with social conservatives but also with any awareness that they had a teetering nation that desperately needed some corrections before the economy and financial situation blew up.

Considering how often leftists call themselves stuff like "Love" as they spew hatred and lies, I'm stuck trying to decide if Democrats are merely ironic or Orwellian in their proclamations. Look:

Bush Proposed Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac Supervision In 2003

John McCain's Fannie And Freddie Letter of 2006

Then, of course, there was the Democratic Party's response.

And let's not forget Orson Scott Card's amazing round-up of the whole debacle as Obama assumed the reins of government.

I really do wonder, not only how much Orwell you guys have internalized, but how you sleep at night, knowing you can lie so easily,...as Greenwald said, you owe us all a huge apology for all the bullshit you spew in the name of "Love."

Allie's Apple said...

Just heard that Cain voted for Bill Clinton, how is he going to explain that one? North Dallas Thirty, how's that sit with you?