November 14, 2011

"Judge Who Set Unsecured Bail For Jerry Sandusky Is A Second Mile Volunteer."

"District Judge Leslie Dutchcot... ordered that Sandusky be freed on $100,000 unsecured bail." The prosecutors wanted $500,000 and a leg monitor.

So... is Jerry Sandusky not a flight risk? Maybe not. If you look at the grand jury report, page 20, you'll see that when Sandusky was confronted with the allegations about "Victim 6," he said: "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead." That suggests his orientation leans toward escape by suicide. I'm no expert on the standards relating to bail requests, but don't you think that someone who'd consider suicide as the solution lacks the energy and determination to flee or at least is unlikely to flee successfully? I don't know. Presumably, he has plenty of money, and he knows he's likely to lose it all in the various lawsuits that will be filed. What's $100,000 to him?

105 comments:

cubanbob said...

Whether a hundred grand or five hundred grand in bail is besides the point. Why did the judge not order the monitor? That is the question that should be asked of her.

AllenS said...

What's $100,000 to him?

Probably nothing, but if the bail had been set at $500,000 the state/prosecution/grand jury could have used the money.

AllenS said...

Added:

If he commits suicide.

ndspinelli said...

That's interesting because my bride and myself were appalled @ such a low bail. Sandusky can use the Polanski defense, flee to France...or better yet, the Vatican, the pedophile sanctuary. Jerry can teach wrestling to all the altar boys[they're actually called servers now and girls get to serve].

Shouting Thomas said...

Sandusky's repetitive behavior in PSU's football complex, where he was busted more than once, suggests to me that he wants to get caught and to be humiliated.

This is a sexual perversion in itself.

I don't think he's gonna run or commit suicide. This is the theater he's been seeking all his life.

MadisonMan said...

Do you sacrifice your bail if you commit suicide?

edutcher said...

This is what happens when something that was just supposed to be about giving young men exercise turns into the NFL's farm system.

ndspinelli said...

...or better yet, the Vatican, the pedophile sanctuary.

About 20 years ago, maybe.

And that's a big maybe.

Smilin' Jack said...

That suggests his orientation leans toward escape by suicide.

Probably, but at least this way he can do a few more boys before he goes.

KenK said...

Odd that the judge didn't recuse here.

MadisonMan said...

The lawfirm the judge works at also includes my former landlord.

traditionalguy said...

Justice is only for the little people. Sandusky is a Prince of the Realm.

For 12 years Pope Paterno weighed all of the pros and cons and decided that Sandusky should go right on enjoying the hunt and destruction of vulnerable boys.

Now that is Papal Bull.

ndspinelli said...

Ken, Many judges live for this stuff..helping out someone they know. There are some very honorable judges but for too many Honorable is just a hollow title. They never recuse themselves.

alan markus said...

I remember when OJ Simpson did a suicide note and then made a run (albeit very slow) for it. I look forward to seeing lots of helicopters and an SUV on TV.

Carol_Herman said...

Remember this. Happy Valley is a small town! Their biggest hero worship was the Penn State Football Team.

And, the biggest question against Joe Paterno is WHY was the Penn State locker rooms available to Sandusky after 1998?

How come no one thought of putting in different locks on the doors? So anyone wanting to gain entry "after hours" ... would have to swipe an ID card. And, that this list would be fine-combed!

We know Jerry Sandusky didn't move out of town. Because his "charity" brought in BIG DONATIONS! For what? So, that among the "good it did," was a grooming factory of sad-case male children. Who could be ass-fucked by perverts.

Where "this calling card" only made the "charity" grow! (No take-home lessons came to the Catholic coaches ... an inbred family. From the pedophile scandals that blew open, here in America. Though Ireland, too, has woken up to this tragedy. And, the current pope has been a facilitator in keeping the pedophilia secrets out of the press.) The Vatican bank has lost a fortune in appeasing lawyers. Who represent victims.

And, ahead? This must have been some can of worms! But ahead there's gonna be MEGA lawsuits filed. (I'd bet the lawyers who specialize in handling pedophilia cases ... are lining up HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of victims.)

And, because of the Catholic Church's attempt to put a lid on the adults making claims ... discovered they couldn't discharge blame as coming in "too late."

There's a dead DA!

And, this woman "district judge" didn't have the brains to recuse herself.

When will people figure out that MOST homosexual men have been ass-fucked when they were small children?

It seems perverts "select" ... or "groom" their victims.

And, in "Happy Valley" ... the PERVERTS ruled! Sandusky never had to leave ... even though there are 3 separate reports of him getting "caught" in the act!

1995.

1998. (Which led to his "deal" where he had to leave the team. But he never had to leave the showers!) What's with that?

Joe Paterno? He built his reputation on MORALITY. And, he fell short.

The current governor of Pennsylvania is also on the Board of Directors at Penn State. He was involved with the immediate firing of a man way past his prime in being a coach of a football team.)

He was kept on too long.

And, after the DA "disappeared" in 2005 ... this case was quietly handled by the man who is now governor of Pennsylvania.

Bringing this "situation" to its conclusion ... The one you see now ... Is like seeing the "big ship hit the tip of the iceberg."

Small town. Small community. Perhaps many of them are in denial?

Maybe, some of them thought the ass-fucking was good to those children that got "chosen" and "grommed?"

The money to the charity flowed in.

Some charity.

Some cover up.

Some mafia! Getting to a DA and having him disappear.

What are the odds that Sandusky shows up dead, next?

Does anyone involved in this show any fear about consequences?

Ignorance is Bliss said...

I hear Thailand is nice this time of year...

James said...

In other news, The Big 10 Conference removed Joe Paterno's name from the "Stagg-Paterno" championship trophy.

cassandra lite said...

Best-case scenario: He leaves a long letter detailing his misdeeds, apologizing to the victims (and the world), then kills himself. In his will, he leaves the majority of his worth to the victims.

On a side note (to CH): I'm unlikely to read a comment that's longer than AA's original post. Blah blah blah.

Richard Dolan said...

Barring some unusual provision of PA law, the purpose of bail is to ensure that the defendant will show up, and to avoid danger to the community while the proceedings are pending. Excessive bail is, of course, prohibited (8th Amend).

Nothing to suggest that the court got the quiz wrong on either issue.

Shouting Thomas said...

That was one of your more entertaining stream of consciousness raves ever, Carol.

You seem to be getting a little hot and bothered.

James said...

Get this... Sandusksy lives next to the Lemont Elementary School. I heard the principal earlier today saying that they had to implement additional security measures once Sandusky was released on bail.

Chip S. said...

I hear Thailand is nice this time of year...

Not this year.

Chip S. said...

They never recuse themselves.

I don't understand why recusal is the sole decision of the judge involved. Why isn't there one of those vaunted "three-judge panels" to decide stuff like that?

Shouting Thomas said...

In other football news, a Wyoming high school coach resigned after it was revealed that he circulated a Hurt Feelings Report among his players.

Best bit... Players must sign with their "Girlie Man signature!"

I laughed my ass off!

Real men don't bitch!

m stone said...

I'm believing that someone who suggests suicide has the self-preservation instinct and the energy and determination to flee.

Joe said...

Is anyone taking up a collection to buy Jerry a gun?

MadisonMan said...

a Wyoming high school coach resigned after it was revealed that he circulated a Hurt Feelings Report among his players.

How would such a thing improve the skill of the football players or promote team cohesion?

Chip S. said...

How would such a thing improve the skill of the football players or promote team cohesion?

"Taking one for the team" is the spirit that made Penn State what it is today.

Beth said...

Andrew Vachss calls this phenonemon the "circle of trust." Child sexual abuse is less the guy who kidnaps at random - though that happens - but more the people (men and women) within a child's circle of trust. The other adults in that circle entrust children into that person's care, believing the child is having a special experience, benefitting from extra attention from some coach, or priest, or teacher. Once an offense is exposed, Vachss says the circle starts to fold in on itself, hence you have ineffective "mandatory reporting" acting as a circle - they don't go to the police, they report it throughout the circle, each report more vague than the previous, like a game of telephone.

Here, this judge should have recused herself. Instead, she kept the circle intact.

As for his "I wish I were dead" remark, I wouldn't believe it to be anymore than a bit of narcissistic drama.

Carol_Herman said...

Well, this local judge is now discovering the power of exposure to her ruling.

While it takes all of Happy Valley into some sort of awakening. Where those who wielded power before ... won't be able to duck.

As to legal strategy, up at the Daily Beast is an article that contains the strategy lawyers will use. They will use the 14th Amendment's GUARANTEES that little boys' rectums can't be used for pleasuring perverts.

A whopper of a case will land in Federal Court.

I guess those who know about the legal ramifications of the 14th Amendment's guarantees ... are becoming aware of the dynamics of the law suit, ahead.

No longer will it be easy to kill "just one DA."

fleetusa said...

I feel sorry for his family. What did they know (and when)?

Sheepman said...

I think the primary concern should be whether he would commit similar acts while free on bail. I think the risk is too high to let him on the loose before his trial.

Carol_Herman said...

One of Sandusky's adopted kid's married. And then the couple split.

In 2010 the mother of Sandusky's grand-children ... filed a petition with the court (in Happy Valley) ... to keep her kids from visiting their "grandpa."

In 2010, there was a woman who knew about the sexual abuse Sandusky (and his friends!) ... could deliver!

And, the judges within this circle? They're sweating into their own underpants right now!

Happy Valley just experienced Mount Vesuvius blowing its top.

PatCA said...

well, who knows how involved the judge was, but if anyone is a flight risk it's Sandusky. I bet he jumps on a private jet one day and departs to Mexico.

Methadras said...

Once again, you see selective justice. The entire Penn State system is nothing more than a giant mafia at this point. The football program and the school need to be shut down completely. It will be one of the small ways that it can atone for this horror. The school should be sued into oblivion. Sandusky at this point is a loose cannon who will either try to kill himself or be a danger to others and justice will not be served. This is why child molesters and rapists should qualify for the death penalty. At this point Paterno should be criminally negligent and McQueary should too along with the any and all school and police officials who knew and did nothing. Frankly, I think McQueary should kill himself at this point. That coward doesn't deserve the money of the state to prosecute him. Why is he on leave? Why is he not fired?

MayBee said...

The fact that he said he wished he were dead in 1998 and he's still alive, gives us clue as to how serious he was.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

don't you think that someone who'd consider suicide as the solution lacks the energy and determination to flee or at least is unlikely to flee successfully?

If he commits suicide, I would say that he has successfully and permanently "fled".

DADvocate said...

Saying "I wish I was dead." is a far cry from having plans to commit suicide. The judge should have recused herself. With only that statement to base your opinon on, you make too great of an assumption based on a single statement made in 1998. No psychiatrist would rule a person suicidal based on 13 year old statements.

rick said...

For all the Althouse McQueary basher's ..... you are aware that a janitor (also an adult)witnessed Sandusky executing similar behavior on a young boy 2 years earlier that McQueary. Told his coworkers immediately who saw Sandusky leaving the complex hand in hand. Later told his boss.

Amartel said...

Clearly, the judge should have recused himself. Very strange.

Triangle Man said...

Clearly, the judge should have recused himself.

...herself.

Amartel said...

Herself. My bad.
From the article:
"Attorneys often serve charitable foundations in their pro bono capacities, or just volunteer in their spare time, so there is nothing weird about that. It just seems that, given the nature of the charges, the small-town atmosphere, and her relationship to Second Mile, Judge Dutchcot should have recused herself from being involved with this process. Or that could be precisely why she did not."
Continues the theme of institutional appearance of impropriety.

Allie said...

Perhaps the Judge wants Sandusky to commit suicide.Why does this remind me of the film, Eyes Wide Shut?

rick said...

The previous DA, Ray Gricar, ..... kinda recused himself. Been missing since 2005.

Methadras said...

rick said...

For all the Althouse McQueary basher's ..... you are aware that a janitor (also an adult)witnessed Sandusky executing similar behavior on a young boy 2 years earlier that McQueary. Told his coworkers immediately who saw Sandusky leaving the complex hand in hand. Later told his boss.


Yup and the same should happen to him too. Another coward in a long line of cowardice.

Patrick said...

Give Sandusky a gun and a closed cell. Open the door afterwards not before.

rick said...

Central Pa website Pennlive has the best updates on this sordid situation.

Mark O said...

Have I mentioned that the criminal court system in this country is corrupt? Still don't believe me?

cassandra lite said...

"Once again, you see selective justice. The entire Penn State system is nothing more than a giant mafia at this point."

Too bad not the old-fashioned brand: "Bonasera, Bonasera, what have I ever done to make you treat me so disrespectfully? If you'd come to me in friendship, this scum who ruined your [sons] would be suffering this very day. And if by some chance an honest man like yourself made enemies they would become my enemies. And then, they would fear you."

MadisonMan said...

Why is he [McQueary] on leave? Why is he not fired?

Hard to fire a whistleblower. You can argue he didn't blow the whistle very hard, but...

Methadras said...

Allie said...

Perhaps the Judge wants Sandusky to commit suicide.Why does this remind me of the film, Eyes Wide Shut?


That sentiment goes back to The Godfather II, in the senate hearing scene when Pentangeli tries to rat out the Corleones and when Michael brings Pentangeli's brother from Sicily he recants ratting them out and is told by Robert Duvall (Hegen) that he did the right thing by keeping the oath of Omerta intact and that there was only one way to atone for his responsibility and he slits his wrist in the bathtub in the scene where the Feds are playing cards. This thing with Sandusky smacks of that in that the judge is giving him the out for the paltry price of 100K.

Methadras said...

MadisonMan said...

Why is he [McQueary] on leave? Why is he not fired?

Hard to fire a whistleblower. You can argue he didn't blow the whistle very hard, but...


Sorry, I'm calling bullshit on the considering what he saw and how he acted. Blowing the whistle after he should have stopped the rape would have exonerated him from such a label of coward.

rick said...

The bail number is meaningless. Sandusky posted nothing.

traditionalguy said...

My take on Second Mile comes from an experience in 1985. My son at age 11 became a special favorite of his wealthy Sunday School teacher, who took him with him to awards banquets for the teacher and motor cross rides at his estate.

I was felt very suspicious, but was not ready to accuse a man admired greatly within the community of being a pervert.

My son assured me then and now that nothing happened to him. I believe my son, but I am still angry at another wealthy man for wanting to romance my son.

There seems to be an inclination by many wealthy men to promote life experiences for age 10-12 boys. It may be from childhood experiences they remember.

But most of them leave the sex part out or they would be dead by now. I guess it promotes their ego to be needed.

And Carol did write a very good comment in this thread.

Alex said...

I don't understand why we don't just summary execute this filth. Why even bother with a trial - we know what he did.

rick said...

@Alex You like a drone attack?

Abdul Abulbul Amir said...

.

Is anyone taking up a collection to buy Jerry a gun?

How about a dull rusty straight razor?

.

Ralph L said...

Sandusky executing similar behavior on a young boy 2 years earlier
Giving a kid a blow job is not the same as buggering him, though I imagine they're both felonies. The janitors said they were afraid for their jobs, which says something about PSU management.

The "I wish I were dead" comment was when he was only accused of "inappropriate touching" in a shower. They probably dismissed it as histrionics, but it should have given them a clue that he'd gone further with someone--or would soon.

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Geoff Matthews said...

If he's a suicide risk, wouldn't it be better to keep him in jail?

rick said...

Should read: You "mean" like a drone attack.

MadisonMan said...

Sorry, I'm calling bullshit on the considering what he saw and how he acted. Blowing the whistle after he should have stopped the rape would have exonerated him from such a label of coward.

I told you why he wasn't fired, as you asked. You reply that he's still a coward. I made no claim that he wasn't.

Try being rational.

LarsPorsena said...

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Give Sandusky a gun and a closed cell. Open the door afterwards not before.
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I don't know why anyone would expect him to do the 'honorable' thing.

gerry said...

Yup and the same should happen to him too.

According to the grand jury report, the janitor had worked there only a very sghort time. He was very angry.

Why he did not take it further, I do not know, but he was unavailable for testimony to the grand jury: he had since the incident fallen victim to dementia, and was confined to a rest home.

MadisonMan said...

I don't know why anyone would expect him to do the 'honorable' thing.

Agreed. I don't know (thankfully) how a predator's mind works, but I will posit that he thought he was doing his victims a favor, or that he was owed the sex. (Really, how else could you rationalize doing it unless he's completely amoral, but I'm not sure there is evidence for him being amoral based on comments about his Good Neighborly always helpfulness) How can you expect such warpedness to be honorable?

Curious George said...

"traditionalguy said...
My take on Second Mile comes from an experience in 1985. My son at age 11 became a special favorite of his wealthy Sunday School teacher, who took him with him to awards banquets for the teacher and motor cross rides at his estate.

I was felt very suspicious, but was not ready to accuse a man admired greatly within the community of being a pervert.

My son assured me then and now that nothing happened to him. I believe my son, but I am still angry at another wealthy man for wanting to romance my son."

Christ dude, you could have said "no". You should be angry at you.

alan markus said...

Not looking to diminish the seriousness of what went on, but reading the Grand Jury report, it's hard to find any collaboration of anal rape. It does not appear that victim #2 was identified to collaborate what happened, and there are different perceptions of what the graduate student reported that he saw (what appeared to be anal sex being committed on a boy that appeared to be 10 years old). The legal issue seems to be that no matter what happened, it should have been reported to proper authorities for investigation.

Victim #4 reported that an attempt was made at anal penetration, he resisted, and that was the end of that. Felt that he was being "tested" to see if he was willing to do it.

Victim #8 is the one seen by the janitor. His identity was never confirmed.

Most of the victim's testimony seems to collaborate inappropriate fondling, oral sex, naked wrestling & bear hugs (from behind the victim's back) in the shower. I'm wondering how close the graduate student could have gotten to confirm that anal penetration was taking place.

WineSlob said...

The Double Irony is that Jerry
Will Be a Willing Merry Prison-Bitch Fairy
Offering His Villianous Derriere-ey
To Be Skewered Like a Cherry
Gay Rape to Jerry Being Very Ordinary.

Beth said...

re: McQueary's "blowing the whistle": this is the same problem we have seen with the Catholic church and other institutions. Illegal behavior, and a sexual assault is a crime, should be reported to police, not to one's boss. I don't see how just punting some information within your organization meets the requirement, legally or morally. Any "mandatory reporting" law that doesn't mandate a direct report to police is useless.

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PETER V. BELLA said...

Escape by suicide? Then he should have been locked up and put on suicide watch. Suicide is too good of a punishment.

He needs to be dragged through the mud, humiliated, publicly eviscerated, and then sent away for a very very long time.

As to the judge. For the past few years the legal community has abandoned the word recuse.

Curious George said...

My son just called and said they Jerry Sandusky was photoed at La Guardia airport this morning...they don't know where he went. I'm too busy now to verify...

wv tomicat (too soon!)

rick said...

@sorepaw. The janitor, no longer is employed, suffers from dementia and could not testify at the grand jury.

A lot of missing info, some would say misinformation, in this thread.

As tough a read as it gets, the grand jury findings are worth the time, all 23 pages.

Alex said...

In a case like this what we need is a Judge Dredd.

DADvocate said...

Fwiw though: if you have the courage to consider offing yourself, you probably have the courage to consider running too.

Sandusky may have made the comment to illicit some pity from the mother and to appear remorseful. Pedophiles are usually excellent manipulators.

laddy said...

I'm guessing McQueary might have disappeared had he gone straight to the police. For all we know the cops might have covered it up at that time as well, given the influence of the University in the community. If someone had beaten Sandusky's ass at the time, it might have made a difference in what happened subsequently. But who knows. Multiple failures everywhere.

A. Shmendrik said...

Since he is facing perhaps 400+ years in prison (based on counts announced so far) and is recognized as being tantamount to Hitler, suicide has to be a major option.

Am I correct in recalling that since Ken Lay died before sentencing, there was some financial impact that was reduced (fines could not be assessed against his estate?) Of course civil litigation probably ate that benefit up, and would in the Sandusky case.

I don't think he has any good options. He can't move to FL and establish a homestead to protect a life estate in that for his wife.

He's forked. It would be hard to argue that suicide wouldn't be a good call for him. He is not going to testify at a trial. He is going to make the prosecution do the hard work, and make the victims testify, which will be excruciating.

Does the ankle braclet monitoring system indicate a pulse?

Roger J. said...

Ah Mary--thanks for you comments but as soon as the professor realizes you are commenting its buh bye

Carol_Herman said...

Well, IF Jerry Sandusky "flees" ... his family could state ... "he's gone to see if he can find the missing DA?"

Oh. And, there are two phone numbers available so that victims (now adults), can call their complaints into the State.

THE RUG IS GONE.

No matter how powerful and rich were Sandusky's perverted supporters ... there were people in Happy Valley who drew conclusions about "JoePa" that were less than kind.

Back in 2006, JoePa had a run in, in a Wisconsin game ... (cough, cough, cough.) Where Joe Pa's left leg got broken.

To hide this from view ... Penn State put up "screes" blocking the ability of a photographer to take a picture of JoePa being wheeled into Beaver's stadium in a wheele chair.

Yes, a local photographer knew enough about the building ... that he went up to the second story ... and took his camera's shot by aiming "down."

There's been an overheated PR pumping going on.

Even Sandusky's wife knew something. Dottie never had a kid on her own. And, in 1998, or 1995. She, herself, called one of the victims up on the phone, to get him to "change his story."

The DA that's disappeared ... actually closed the 1998 case. And, was forced to re-open it in 2005. The last his family saw of him was when he said he was going out to talk to somebody.

His car was found 50 miles away. And, his laptop, sans its hard drive was recovered out of the Susquehanna River.

It seems the Mafia has higher standards than Penn State!

Watch for the MEGA lawsuit(s) to come. FEDERAL COURT. 14th AMENDMENT. A good lawyer can take this clue and build the strategy behind the lawsuits. Will the taxpayers in Pennsylvania be forced to pay?

How about EVERYONE, including the district judge, who had their hands dipped into the "charity's" money?

That "charity" money was once the solid gold that built this access to the Penn State's locker room.

UNBELIEVABLE!

Why wasn't a door lock put in ... where you'd have to swipe an ID card to gain entry?

Usually, the perverts just use the men's toilets at public parks.

Carol_Herman said...

TO: RICK @ 1:43 PM

The janitor was "let go" after 8 months on the job. He now has dementia. And, Gricar (sp?) the DA has finally been declared DEAD.

Colbert was the next DA to get this case. And, recently he got elected governor of Pennsylvania. He is also one of the members of the Board of Trustees.

Joe Paterno made his announcement to retire at the end of the season, KNOWING the Board was holding its meeting. He wanted to work around the announcement with one of his own. And, this, too, blew up in his face.

Joe Paterno's "saintly" reputation is gone.

Colbert, the current governor of Pennsylvania, knew that there were deep unnerving problems at Penn State. Specifically with Joe Paterno. And, a cluster fuck of old time coaches. Who thought all they had to do was remain silent.

traditionalguy said...

Curious George...The point I was making about 25 years ago is that some community idols have built up so much long term respect that you cannot go off on them without any evidence.

You must go high alert and ask others about them...and not all men are guilty.

The man in question was well known by many for 30 years, so who was I to accuse him?

Even telling anyone about my suspicions from 25 years ago makes people look at me funny, not the man who has become an even more revered saint today.

Carol_Herman said...

Well, Mary @ 3:00PM. I think you're wrong!

I think "the next time" someone hears sounds from the shower ... that sounds like "rythmic slapping" ... there's gonna be a dead queer, with his brains splattered across the shower room walls!

I also think that ANY school that has been used as a site where young boys are taken into the shower and abused ... will change the locks on their doors in such a way ... the doors can be entered only with an ID swipe, instead of a key.

Just like the doors at the Sofitel Hotel.

What should give people "pause" about McQueery ... is that he went from being a "graduate student" ... to being on the Penn State staff as a coach. And, also being a recipient of money from the "Second Mile" Charity. Which wasn't a charity.

Wait until the donors lists are made punlic!

You don't have to be "in" the Catholic Church ... to know that perverts grow political powers. And, they can even be elected pope.

That was the fake PR schtick in play at PENN STATE for 61 years.

The mask fell off.

And, the story only proves that "walking away" when a kid is being abused is about the last thing a man who ISN'T a coward ... Or given rewards for keeping silent ... would ever do!

Not the "first time" FUNNY BUSINESS costs more than its worth.

traditionalguy said...

Mary...you ignorant slut, I am not accusing anyone who remains nameless. I am honestly reporting the emotions caused by respected men who show affection to boys.

I do not like it. Men like that are skating on very thin ice. But from Boy Scouts to Sunday School classes there are times that a level of temporary trust is required.

Ralph L said...

Remember: not one of these boys went to authorities themselves
And only a few of the 8 have been identified. Presumably, the prospect of big $$$ will bring them forward, with some con artists and shysters. The AG may have been trying to locate more victims in the several years this took to get indictments. Wonder how they discovered the 2002 incident.

glenn said...

Corrupt or morally lazy, stupid and incompetent. There's a bigger picture here. But it wouldn't surprise me if ol' Jerr took one for the team. That's what he allegedly made those kids do.

Carol_Herman said...

Traditional Guy, I think you've been a great father!

Yes, your son was treated well by a very rich guy who also taught Sunday School.

Maybe, it was your very interest that alerted this guy that it would definitely cause his reputation harm, if he stuck his dick into your kid's behind?

Just that interest, alone, probably kept your son safe from molestation.

You don't even know how your son would have repeated your concerns. Because it's not the nature of children not to "tattle out" a parent's concerns.

The "Sunday School Teacher, in my book, always observed the "territory." He wanted kids who were sexually curious. And, who wouldn't complain.

Small boys are very curious about sex.

Even with the pedophilia within the Catholic Church. The kids who got molested were less likely to tell their parents.

I think, Traditional Guy you're describing how parental curiosity protects children.

(I had an aunt who was molested under the staircase at their Lower East Side apartment, when she was no older than six or seven.)

My mom taught me NEVER to accept candy from a stanger, by telling me "what happened to Rebecca."

My aunt never spoke about this childhood occurrence, either.

Parents who keep open the lines of communitions with their kids ... don't have to wait to see a little boy brought home with wet hair.

Which IS the story of the mom who blew the whistle. And, who also had the (police overheard) conversation ... back around 1997. Where Sandusky came to her with his apology. And, his statement "he wished he was dead."

Perverts are excellent manipulators. Just don't take the candy.

It took courage to share your story. Mazel Tov. More parents should follow your example.

alan markus said...

There's so much more to child molestation and sexual abuse than most small minds can imagine. That's why professionals get involved.

That worked out real well back in the 80's for some day care workers at Kern Coutny, McMartin Preschool, etc.

rick said...

@Mary A lot of missing info, some would say misinformation, in this thread."


It's a blog.
Not a scholarly piece, or even a news analysis really.

Now go buy something from Amazon, and help the prof profit of her work here...

Mary... It may be a blog, but it should contain factual information. In looking at your comments, you are exactly right. It is not a scholarly piece. Now go to your room.

rick said...

@Carol_ the governors name is:
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Methadras said...

Mary, you are the quintessential imbecile. If a man sees a child being raped or molested and does nothing except report it to higher authorities, then has he done himself, that child, the higher authorities, or the institution he belongs to any favors? Has he, through his non-violent, non-interactive reportage of the offense at hand sought to elevate the standing of all the above I mentioned?

You see Mary, you are the type of human waste that is the problem. This is why I'm glad, under the assumption, that you are not a man, because simply put, you like McQueary are advocating cowardice in the face of a moral and societal need to intervene on the behalf of truly the powerless, and it would have been that child who was powerless.

I'm not using bravado in telling you that I would have killed Sandusky with my bare hands and taken my chances in front of 12 people to exonerate me if and when I would have taken the stand to tell them what I saw and how I stopped it. That is the right thing to do, morally and socially, and I highly suspect legally as well. You may or may not have children and I don't care, but it is clear that heaven help them for having had a clear cowards like you for one.

If I told you that I've interevened on the behalf of a child who was clearly being abused by his father in a shopping mall parking lot, would you believe me? I don't care, but I did and when I told him to stop and he told me to mind my own business, I told him that what I saw became my business and if he didn't stop then I would stop him and I did just that.

Would you believe me if I told you that when a relative in my family who was sexually molesting one of his children was being shielded by his wife and other relatives that I payed him a visit and afterward called the police and that cops themselves basically shook my hand, one by one and said I did the right thing and that I wouldn't be charged even though his wife wanted to press charges against me and I would have willingly gone to jail for it?

You probably wouldn't, but then again, a moron like you is happy to suspend disbelief to coincide with your rancid cowardice as a function of your propensity to dovetail with your insipid ideology.

Chip Ahoy said...

Okay, what was the double irony again?

That Sandusky would be a willing jail fairy? Was I told or must I deduce the first irony?

Irony fail.

Insufficient twist. The outcome needs to be unexpected. The example is not unexpected. Plus a double irony needs two parties whose sequence of events cross and both lead to unexpected consequences.

Here. I'll give it a try. You might do better:

Sandusky becomes a willing jail fairy, actuating a long-held subconscious desire. But soon develops prostrate cancer and cannot participate and shortly after dies.

His fortune meanwhile whatever it amounts to is collected and distributed among his known victims who all get decent psychological treatment, they recover, and each eventually have thriving well-balanced families and who all go onto become coaches, college presidents, victim rights lawyers, and charity organizers.

Curious George said...

"traditionalguy said...
Curious George...The point I was making about 25 years ago is that some community idols have built up so much long term respect that you cannot go off on them without any evidence.

You must go high alert and ask others about them...and not all men are guilty.

The man in question was well known by many for 30 years, so who was I to accuse him?

Even telling anyone about my suspicions from 25 years ago makes people look at me funny, not the man who has become an even more revered saint today."

So what's that have to do with you saying "no". If I ha ssuspicions I would just told my son no more trips or visits.

Some dad, whining about it 25 years later.

Carol said...

"it's hard to find any collaboration of anal rape."

They had testimony of an eyewitness. It doesn't have to be *corroborated* in order to go into an indictment.

Ann Althouse said...

I haven't deleted everyone who responded to Mary, but please try to remember that when I see them, I delete all of her contributions.

Carol_Herman said...

Ann, in all probability there will be a FEDERAL CASE.

I have no idea what credentials an attorney needs to bring a case into Federal Court.

And, I have no idea how the 14th Amendment will be the vehicle to use. Because it protects individuals from harms. My guess is that Penn State will be considered a "State" player.

And, CORBETT (sorry for calling him Colbert) ... was, as a DA, involved in the case against Sandusky.

For the life of me, I can't understand the "special treatment" that the entire coaching staff ... as well as administrators, were willing to cover up.

Let alone that there's a dead DA!

And, yes. The "mistake" that "by accident" the grand jury report was made public.

You bet. I think Joe Paterno tried to play the "system" ... with his own press conference. And, then? The Penn State Board of Trustees "reacted."

Wouldn't it be true of a small community (which Happy Valley is) ... that the whole community is trying to figure out what happened?

You can't prosecute without a strategy.

And, what if those within the "charity" of Second Mile, have been up their ying yang in covering this up for more than a dozen years?

A long time ago there was a scene in a movie. About the Mafia. When the cops all drive up to this "out of the way" place in the Catskills. And, suddenly you see men leaving by the second floor window. Flying down the roof. Just to get away.

Well, that old time silence, has just been met by sunshine.

How could this have gotten such a long term cover up?

Yes. The lawyers that wanted to take this down, needed strategy. And, I'd go so far as to venture the guess that the DA who disappeared in 2005, was killed on the order of these perverts!

Sandusky goes to jail?

I'm just waiting for his lawyers to say he's innocent.

rick said...

@Carol One the more curious comments I heard at the PSU game Saturday was from an older fan. He said there was a deliberate delay in the investigation by then AG Corbett.

Corbett did not want to be the AG who presented the indictments. It would have torpedoed his run for governor.

PS What happened to Mary? Please enlighten moi.

Carol_Herman said...

I dunno, Rick

I think Corbett understood that the DA who disappeared, was killed off because of some power that the perps OWNED.

As to Joe Paterno, in that he is Catholic, I think he was fully aware of what happened when the lid blew off the Vatican's "controls" of brushing off pedophilia investigations. (The shit hit that fan in 1991. On a Larry King Live program, no less. When King interviewed an adult victim. Who wrote a book. And, the victim was there with his lawyer.)

You'd think there would have been a better response out of Penn State! Except that the "charity" Second Mile ... put into place in 1977 by Sandusky ... was a GOLD MINE.

It also seems apparent that perverts liked the perk of being able to take vulnerable boys into the showers at Penn State.

Because going back to 1995 there were OFFICIAL reports on Sandusky's behaviors.

And, only in 1998 was he even asked to step down!

And, the DA who disappears in 2005 ... is the very DA who closed the book on the cases from the 1990's ... being forced to reopen them. Because, again, Sandusky (who had already been fired from Penn State ... STILL HAD KEYS TO THE LOCKER ROOM!)

Perks to queers, wasn't worth the silence that grown men put into this thing.

So, there's something to giving perverts perks ... that when they're millionaires, they part with their money in exchange for tax deductions.

Corbett had to be very, very careful!

So did the person who made the "error" to put "sealed records" into the public's view.

STRATEGY.

Can't be a successful lawyer (or politician) without knowing how important it is to have a plan.

CORBETT HAS ONE!

The judge who gave Sandusky a chance to run away? After the prosecutors asked for him to be in an ankle bracelet? PRICELESS.

Just what judges need to be taken seriously by an alarmed public.

Now, this lady judge is in a bucket of hot water of her own making. How much did the charity pay her over the years? Pro bono my foot!

Judges are gonna have to learn how to recuse themselves. Or face the music as they then dance in public.

(Drudge is currently headlining a recusal request to Kagan.) Give the public credit. When a large majority of people are paying attention ... make sure you don't accidentally go slipping and sliding on stage.

DADvocate said...

Being immune from the rules and the law isn't a problem at Penn State, but big time college football in general.

Remember last year when a student at Notre Dame was killed (more here. "IOSHA fined Notre Dame $77,500 for six safety violations tied to Sullivan's death, including knowingly putting its employees in an unsafe situation."

They knowingly put a guy in a situation that killed him, but no criminal charges, no (in)voluntary manslaughter or reckless endangerment? Brian Kelly keeps his job after someone is killed on his watch?

Big time college football is far too morally corrupt.

glenn said...

Everything and I mean everything Jerry Sandusky says from now on is focused like an Obama, sorry a laser, on getting away with "it". So he can do "It" some more. Same with what his lawyers say.

Mary said...

"Mary...you ignorant slut,"

"Ann Althouse said...
I haven't deleted everyone who responded to Mary,"


No shit, Sherlock.
Like a "Mean Grrrrll", you chose to leave select ones up, whilst you deleted my comments about Due Process.

How surprising...

(am I supposed to be hurt by your pettiness? Says more about you than me, sister confident.)

Methadras said...

Mary said...

"Mary...you ignorant slut,"

"Ann Althouse said...
I haven't deleted everyone who responded to Mary,"


No shit, Sherlock.
Like a "Mean Grrrrll", you chose to leave select ones up, whilst you deleted my comments about Due Process.

How surprising...

(am I supposed to be hurt by your pettiness? Says more about you than me, sister confident.)


Mary, explain to me the animosity between you and althouse. I don't get it and my comment in asking for other people to explain it has disappeared.

WineSlob said...

@:Chip Ahoy
RE: Okay, what was the double irony again?

[regarding the following, which has been edited slightly]:

"The Double Irony is that Jerry
Will Be a Willing Prison-Bitch Fairy
Offering His Villianous Derriere-ey
To Be Skewered Like a Cherry
Gay Rape to Jerry Being Ordinary."

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To the 1. public and 2. perpetrator, the punishment for the gay rape is really (and ironically) a reward (arguably, and admittedly taking liberal poetic license), and therefore, this is a double irony, is it not?

Nichevo said...

Man, some of you guys are hyper. A bunch of correct has already been said (and unresponded because untouchable) on this topic.

1. Let me say this first because soon you won't be listening to me: Sandusky must not die. Not yet, at the very least. If he dies that seems an excellent circumstantial reason to suspect a wider conspiracy a la some Taken-style boy-grooming ring. Just as the death of Gricer should have sent up alarm bells, so ought a Sandusky quietus. You want him alive!

2. As a Jew, I am disgusted at the Catholic-bashing. I suppose if it were a Protestant it would be girls a day older than the age of consent; the Muslim tendencies are well known; Buddhists also seem to like little boys; and even Jews...my own cantor at Temple Emanu-El was accused of horrible disgraceful activities with members of his own family (amazed C4 has kept shut on that). But the execrable Carol Herman, for instance, seems to delight in reminding us of the Church's troubles, spreading the poo far and wide. Then again we know she is a yenta.

3. Why the fuss? People ask, What if it were a little girl? Well in that case her chastity would be worth something, because she has a future. What indeed is the point of worrying about the chastity of gays? Why wait? There is no risk of pregnancy. My nephew told me of a boy his age - about thirteen - who identifies as gay. If true, why wait? I knew a Puerto Rican boy in my childhood who was said to have lost his cherry - with girls, I believe - at age ten. The sexual instinct start when it starts.

So if you accept homosexuality, isn't the age of consent rather pointless? My friend who recently died in the midst of sad domestic troubles had three kids. The youngest, a boy about ten, has the obnoxious habit of climbing into people's laps and squirming about, about as welcome as a dog humping one's leg. If the mother, a drug addict and adulteress, doesn't watch out, he will continue squirming in men's laps till he finds what he is looking for. It is not preposterous to think that the 2002 McQueary case involved consent. And if the little boy welcomes it - and a professional groomer like Sandusky is said to be would know, eh? - then the severity somehow seems less.now? Good opportunity to make oneself seem virtuous by piling on, is what I see.

Nichevo said...

To make a long story short, with apologies to Palladian and other gays of good sense here - is this not what fags do? Fish gotta swim. Geez, if you were going to nail guys, wouldn't you do boys? The prettiest or at least the least ugly, the most resembling a woman, is what I would think the most attractive. Then again I don't understand teh ghey at all. Who don't like pussy?

Disclaimer: Both my parents went to Penn State and are heartbroken for poor JoePa, and bewildered by it all.

Disclaimer 2: I also had a teacher (a very kindly man) come on to me once, at a SF&F convention; he asked me to give him a back rub - lotion and all - I massaged his neck and shoulders for about ninety seconds and excused myself from the room. Yuck but no big deal. I'm sure he has found takers and as I understand it he burns for either sex. Very nice man, very giving.

I've continued to see him at the con yearly and talk at other times and again a few years later he wanted to blow me - no thanks - why not? I didn't want to hurt his feelings so I quoted Hemingway: What is good is what we feel good after and what is bad we feel bad after. He accepted it and we continue friends. Wouldn't hurt him for the world.

But now y'all recall me to my duty. To whom do I report him?

That said, if he had ever forced me or tried to or made me feel threatened, or even perhaps just felt me up, I'm sure I would have killed him.

It's all very confusing to me and I admire y'all's moral clarity.

Nichevo said...

Also, while I care nothing for pro or college football, Penn State is a valuable university where many contributions to STEM have been made. Talk of destroying the whole place is bullshit. Much more harm to the world has been done by any law school or any Ivy.

Nichevo said...

And, Carol, with all your ranting about Ooh! The locker rooms!, do you really think that denial of access to the campus would have protected any boys? Or would it just have sloughed off responsibility to the poor motel clerk or whatever? If you want to cast blame, go the whole route and say Paterno, or whatever divine being with perfect knowledge works at PSU, should have, like Woody, gone straight to the police. And if they did nothing? If the DA declined to prosecute? Ban him anyway? And be accused of fag-bashing no doubt?

Hey Althouse, let's have a poll. At what age is the cutoff between sick-vile-disgusting-rot-in-hell and wink-wink-say-no-more?

Offer a range of (shudder) absolutes:
7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21

or comparatives...
whatever the Age of Consent is, is OK?
AoC +1,2,3,4,5,...?
AoC -1,2,3,4,5,...?

or by age diff, i.e. like the kids on Glee, say 17 topping 16 is ok, 11 on 10? Or wider, 16 is ok down to 13 year olds? Or what? Do 60yos get to have 18-21yos or should they be confined to half the age plus seven, or what?

Provide alt choices:

- None, batty-boyism is never ok
- Any, do what you like
- Depends on political or financial circumstances or partisan advantage, e.g. for my guy is OK, for your guy is No Way
- Can't vote, fapping like McQueary in the locker room before he 'did the right thing'


TW: retchre. You bet!