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I was out of state in 2010 and had to vote for Scott Walker via absentee ballot. Next year I get to vote for him at the actual polling place while I proudly show my photo ID.
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Even if I agreed with these people politically, I'd still find them unbearable. You gotta a problem when people like me in L.A. think your people are leftist nut cases. We know the breed, and yours have mutated into something foul.
""It's like Christmas Eve, and everybody is opening their presents.""Lump of coal, lump of coal, lump of coal...
"It's like Christmas Eve, and everybody is opening their presents."I thought it was a quotation from Jerry Sandusky's interview with Bob Costas.
Santa baby, won't you come down my chimney tonight?
What losers.Can we stop pretending the modern American left are an informed bunch at all? Like children, they clearly let emotion define their actions.
There's something wrong with people who take such joy in expressing hate.
So will the same people seek counseling when Scott Walker wins again?
Mature people know that Christmas is about giving. I just gave a check to the Walker campaign.
Why is this surprising? Look at any liberal involved in a liberal cause...they will always express what it means to them emotionally.
Some people are easily pleased.Allie said...Santa baby, won't you come down my chimney tonight?You standing on your head?
Gosh oh gee how happy I'd be, if I could only sign a petition!
Joy to the world, the recall has come!
So sign the petition, Allie. When has illegality ever stopped a Democrat?
It's beginning to look a lot like Recall,Let me sign, let me sign, let me sign!
Allie said...Santa baby, won't you come down my chimney tonight?I just threw up in my mouth.
When has illegality ever stopped a Democrat?Speaking of which, the article linked in the Isthmus mentions a number of signing locations on campus at UW Madison. Is that legal political activity in the buildings? Just curious???
Nothing says Christmas, like wasting taxpayer dollars.
Shouldn't that be "kid at Winter Fest" or some such PC nonsense? So the Left has no problem with Church and State together now? Bring on the Christmas songs!
Wisconsin is starting to resemble antebellum South Carolina: too small to be a nation and too large to be a lunatic asylum.
Up on the rooftop, Reindeer pause, out jumps Good old Santa Claus.Down thru' the chimney with lots of petitionsAll for the Democrats Christmas Joys!
"Allie said...It's beginning to look a lot like Recall,Let me sign, let me sign, let me sign!"Sounds like the old Democratic voting strategy...vote, vote, vote. Of course Voter ID closed that playground.
Sleigh bells ring, are you listening?In the lane , they are signing.A beautiful sight, were happy tonightCollecting signatures in a winter wonderland.
Het Allie...you remember that feeling when all your presents were open. That let down from the emotional high? It's coming in an election result soon.
By the way, Allie, just who is going to replace Walker should he be recalled?
So this is Christmas , Scott what have you done?Another realm overA new one to be won.
AllenS: apparently that bridge will be crossed a bit later
Imagine there's no Leftists . . .
Our next door neighbor just put up a monster "Recall Walker" sign in their front yard. So attractive.
Is that legal political activity in the buildings? Just curious???Why wouldn't it be?If it's not disruptive, I see no reason to limit activity in a public building that can be done outside.
It's beginning to look a lot like Recall,Let me sign, let me sign, let me sign!Go right ahead. As I learned from the Wis. State Journal the other day:There is no limit to the amount of times you can sign a recall petition. Duplicate signatures will be removed during the vetting process by either GAB, the signature collectors or representatives of the incumbent.So Walkerphobes get unlimited attempts at petition fraud. Their worst-case scenario is that all the excess signatures are caught and disallowed. Well, that plus writer's cramp.Seems like either of two simple reforms would be useful: (1) the cost of a recall election is assessed among all the signers of the petition, or (2) a win by the incumbent grants him a new, full term immediately.
Silver Bells, silver Bells,Its Recall time in the city.Ring a ling, hear them ringSoon it will be voting day.
Allie said... Soon it will be voting dayAnd then what? Will there be no Governor of Wisconsin?
Well, Madison is the center of anti-Christian hatred in the upper midwest, so perhaps it is less like Christmas Eve and move like Mid-Winter Holiday Eve.
By the way, Allie, just who is going to replace Walker should he be recalled?This is my question if asked.I'm not real supportive of the exercise in futility that will happen if a far-left Democrat that PD endorses without question is running against Walker. And I don't know who will be running against him.
@Chuck66--Every day is Festivus in Madison.
"(1) the cost of a recall election is assessed among all the signers of the petition"Good idea. Why do we have to pay for this?
You better watch outYou better not cryBetter not poutI'm telling you whyRecall has come to townWe're making a list,And checking it twice;Gonna find out Who's naughty and nice.Recall has come to Town!
Allie, are you a typical wacko? Do your neighbors hate you also?
On the first day of Recall, my true sent to me A petition in a pear tree...
This is the reason college kids should only be allowed to vote in the district that is their legal permanent residence.
Why do we have to pay for this?I'm not too ambivalent about paying for it -- there is a cost to Democracy, after all.Like I said upthread, I have trouble buying into the success of the venture without knowing half the ballot. Paying for a failed attempt rubs me the wrong way.
Walker the red nosed GovernorHad a very short short termAnd when the Recall's overWe will surely see him squirm.
HA HA HAAll those presents displayed under retail store trees are EMPTY! Neatly wrapped, though."You could take a picture."Meanwhile, there's NO WAY the loons who have to find half a million voters willing to sign petitions ... means they can reach this goal.Like the link above. They've jumped into their "Triatholon" ... And, in the water they're having a panic attack.So the press comes to the rescue.Same dogs that would sue if there was a Christmas display at a Mall. (Unless you think Sandra Day O'Connor's plastic reindeer saved the day.)I still laugh when I hear about the plastic reindeer. Would those pink flamingos work as well?How do you read the news, anyway? Do you find news stories credible? Or so one sided it's a wonder they're not rated as fairytales?Think of it this way. You have to earn 9,000 pennies every single day for the next 3 months. The media is gonna be reporting this.Does your back break from the daily bending down? As generous people throw pennies your way ... like they're breadcrumbs?How many people, in today's world, actually want to give a stranger their name and address. And, their phone number?Right off the bat I think "you know, if I sign this, I'm going to get annoying phone calls. Worse. I may get "volunteers" knocking on my door ... and they're not selling religion. They want to know that I'll definitely vote for their candidate.Maybe, they'll offer me a "free ride" to the polls on election day?REALLY!Anyway, I'll gamble. I don't think there are half a million people willing to disclose where they live.What's their benefit? A recall election?
Is that legal political activity in the buildings? Just curious???Why wouldn't it be?If it's not disruptive, I see no reason to limit activity in a public building that can be done outside.I thought there was a law against political activity in government owned buildings in Wisconsin
How come I remember the name Susan?It was a recall campaign. With a phone call from a man named Clark. To a constituent. To "schmooze her" into voting for him.But the viral tape didn't go that way, did it?And, you, too, remember Susan's response, no?Where does the money come from to fight Walker? The UNIONS. Maybe some thrown in by George Soros?It's not as if whoredom also doesn't feed people who couldn't get such well paying jobs in the marketplace.Politics creates the marketplace.We get to watch.Remember when Dan Rather thought he could push George Bush away from his win?Sure. Dan Rather and his "Wounded Woverines." (Probably refers to a sports team, but I know not which.)
Are these courses about American politics taught in schools?Bill Clinton's story is told. But I'm not so sure it will be taught in schools.The Internet THRIVES. Goody. Goody.Oh, Wisconsin, with its 10 Electoral College votes, is one of the 12 flip states.We need a song. The 12 Flip States of Christmas.
On the other hand, if there are a lot more like Allie living in Wisconsin, maybe it really is one big lunatic asylum.
"there is a cost to Democracy, after all."This isn't democracy. We had the election already, and the next one is already scheduled. This is a bunch of spoiled brats imposing their discontent on the rest of us.
there is a cost to Democracy, after all.Of course there is. As in all other cases, the question is how much of it you want at the going price.Why not have annual elections? That would give you lots and lots of input from the people. Since nobody anywhere seems to do that, I'd guess the answer is, "Too costly." So defending "free" recalls as part of the cost of Democracy doesn't persuade me. "Democracy" doesn't require arbitrarily short election cycles.
I thought there was a law against political activity in government owned buildings in WisconsinEvidently not.http://gab.wi.gov/sites/default/files/publication/65/circulating_recall_petitions_in_public_buildings_3_79133.pdf
Let's try that again.GAB letter
Allie, as the great Doug McKenzie said, "it was funny at first, but now it just bugs me." You can barely rhyme and your sense of scansion is nearly nonexistent. You've devolved into a bus-and-truck version of Carol Herman. None of the originality, old, clapped out and somewhat shabby.But crow on, little girl. Just as I have with garage's posts, I'm saving yours. MY Christmas present will be the snuggly warmth of jamming them all back down your throat when you lose the recall.
What? You didn't enjoy my Christmas program? Remember Santa doesn't like bad children.No candy cane for you, Chrissy.
To actually "have" the recall ... the petitioners have to collect HALF A MILLION SIGNATURES.And, then? Like Santa's "list" ... the names get checked not once. But twice.And, some of us remember the VIRAL phone call Clark made to a woman named Susan. Where the answering machine collected her RESPONSE!"SUCH A SHAME," she said. Clark wanted to call her back to beat her up.Since Wisconsin is one of the 12 States considered "flippers" in the presidential election to come. Why do you believe the "noise" that getting these signatures will be like "Christmas Morning?"Do adults still believe presents shoot down the chimney? And, only Santa pays for them?I say: GROW UPI say: Plastic reindeer was a judicial joke. I got it!I say: Walker is ahead. Kasich, alas, misplayed his hand.Politics lets us learn lessons.While Dan Rather's reference to "Wounded Woverines" has me flummoxed.Why does the left try so many underhanded tricks? Is it possible they can't sell themselves on credibility?You know, I don't think there are 9,000 people a day, in Wisconsin, who are gonna come through with signatures.As to "inside government buildings" being a collection point ... what makes you think it's where you'd go to collect half a million signatures?Usually, the "collectors" stand outside Walmarts. IN THE COLD.And, they have to ask the shoppers to take off their gloves. And, to stand there with their carts full of merchandise.Maybe, it's just me, but I see the downside. Oh. And, I don't mind saying so, either.
This isn't democracy. We had the election already, and the next one is already scheduled.Well, Wisconsin does allow Recall Elections as part of its Democratic Process. Your argument is with the people who wrote the law setting the recall bar too low.
Allie, is your last name Grinch?
Over in Saudi Arabia ... someone notices that in Wisconsin anyone can walk into a public building! They're probably thinking LAX SECURITY.Won't be hard to dress up a "volunteer" bomber with a backpack full of explosives. And, no on-site security ... where he can press a button and go pop.On the other hand? Outside of some government buildings in Wisconsin; I'd bet that a huge sum of money has gone into appropriate security. You enter beyond the lobby ONLY if you have a legitimate reason. And, you're discussing this with security, first.What does the signature collector do? Say he's there because he can canvas the building? And, the security officer is then the first person to sign?What if to test this, in Saudi Arabia ... they're cooking up ways for "their front line volunteers" ... to enter public buildings looking just like "signature collectors?"How many buildings would have to go "pop" in the daylight ... to show the security weaknesses you get from "easy access?"Most of these "collections" will go door-to-door. If you're not expecting anyone ... it's a pretty good rule of thumb NOT to open your door.If you do open your door ... I hope you have a very large pet dog ... who also becomes party to your "hello." "What do you want?"All the "volunteer canvassers" should be outfitted with running shoes.
Bagoh20 said: Even if I agreed with these people politically, I'd still find them unbearable.I find myself thinking that all of the time. In fact, even where I do agree with the liberal-leaning line of thought, I often find myself embarassed for my ideological bretheren. (Major example: the Prop 8 dispute. From a pure, what policy do I agree with, I wanted it to fail, but by the time everything was said and done, I found myself sort of almost rooting for it to pass just because the NoH8 people were being such jerks about everything.)
Allie, is your last name Grinch?11/16/11 12:22 PM No Allen, I am no relation to Governor Grinch.
O Little Town of MadisonOh, how the Lefties lieThey've got a bone with Scott to pickHe stopped them looting pieYet in the madness growingThe levelheaded waitTo make ol' Walker once againThe man in State once great
"Well, Wisconsin does allow Recall Elections as part of its Democratic Process. Your argument is with the people who wrote the law setting the recall bar too low."My argument is with both the people who wrote the law and the selfish people who are taking advantage of it. Just because it is legal for me to act boorishly doesn't mean it's somebody else's fault when I do so.
From the UW System guidelines for employees (I work at a UW campus):As a university employee, your political campaign activities are restricted by Regent policy and state law in three significant ways: (1) You may not engage in political campaign activities during your work time; (2) You may not use state resources to engage in political campaign activities at any time; and (3) You may not solicit contributions or services for a political purpose from other university employees while they are engaged in their official duties.
where's the "TOTAL RECALL!" guy? i liked him.is this really what democracy looks like, a completely sclerotic, non-functioning entity that values its own needs over those of the electorate that it purports to serve? stupid question, i know.even if this were a recall effort of a Dem guv, i'd still say Wiss-kahn'-sin is seriously, seriously effed up right now. apparently 21st century palace coups are bloodless now, as the goal is attrition--or at least absolute stasis--through non-stop campaigning and elections.
"Well, Wisconsin does allow Recall Elections as part of its Democratic Process. Your argument is with the people who wrote the law setting the recall bar too low."Forrest Gump: Scene where Wesley the hippie hits Jenny and says:"Jenny? Things got a little out of hand. It's just this war and that lying son of a bitch Johnson and...I would never hurt you. You know that."
Why not have annual elections? Not only should we have annual elections, but a politician should also receive a vote from the majority of all the citizens s/he is seeking to represent, rather than just a majority of the people who bothered to actually vote.From what I've been told, that is the best way to ensure that the will of the people is upheld.
Every day is Festivus in Madison.hehehehe
"Your argument is with the people who wrote the law setting the recall bar too low."And the more I think about it, no. How long has this law been in place? Has it ever been abused like this? (Maybe it has, I don't know). Being a guy of low imagination, I try not to criticize well-meaning people of similar limitations.
purplepenquin said...Why not have annual elections? From what I've been told, that is the best way to ensure that the will of the people is upheld.In America, we don't have elections for "the will of the people"Your ignorance is appalling.
I saw Walker kissing Santa KochUnder the mistletoe last night....
Your argument is with the people who wrote the law setting the recall bar too low."Yeah, uh, because just because we can do something means we should.
How long has this law been in place? Has it ever been abused like this?All due respect, and I mean that sincerely, but how can you know if the process is being "abused" or if it is instead "working as intended" if you don't have any knowledge in regards to the background of the recall-laws in Wisconsin?
In America, we don't have elections for "the will of the people"??What, in your opinion, is the purpose of an election in America?
No, Allie, the Grinch wasn't a Governor. The Grinch is a fictional character created by Dr. Seuss. He first appeared as the main protagonist in the 1957 children's book, How the Grinch Stole Christmas.The devious, anti-holiday spirit of the character has led to the name "Grinch" becoming a term used to describe a person opposed to Christmas time celebrations, or to someone with a coarse, greedy attitude.I'm sorry, but that sounds like you.
I saw Walker kissing Santa KochUnder the mistletoe last night....These are getting increasingly more lame.
What, in your opinion, is the purpose of an election in America?The United States is a representative republic, not a direct democracy.
No, Allie, the Grinch wasn't a Governor. The Grinch is a fictional character created by Dr. Seuss. He first appeared as the main protagonist in the 1957 children's book, How the Grinch.11/16/11 1:00 PMYes Allen dear, I read it to my grandchildren every Christmas to remind them not to be greedy and selfish and consumed with want of material goods.
Yes Allen dear, I read it to my grandchildren every Christmas to remind them not to be greedy and selfish and consumed with want of material goods....says the person typing on a computer she owns on an internet connections she pays for...oh wait, who am I kidding? It is just leeching off what somebody ELSE is paying for.
What, in your opinion, is the purpose of an election in America?Um, to elect reprsentatives entrusted with governance.
purplepenquin said...What, in your opinion, is the purpose of an election in America?I realize to you left wing morons it is all about you and sending people to office to reflect your feelings and silly ideas, but that isn't why we have elections.I suggested you Google "electoral college" and read the federalist papers.
Is the following the Grinch, or a Madison lefty:Hates Christmas. Bans Christmas trees.Is perpetually angry.Lives in an isolated cacoon.Only cares about what he gets and doesn't care about the good of the broader society.
Allie said...Yes Allen dear, I read it to my grandchildren every Christmas to remind them not to be greedy and selfish and consumed with want of material goodsHysterical.So says someone who votes for the party that believes it is the responsibility of government to define and punish "the rich" while redistributing income.You are delusional.
Damikesc,I worked from the time I was 15 on until I retired, I paid for everything I own , wear, eat, and live in. Sorry to burst your bubble. So unimaginative , can't you do better than that?
How long has this law been in place?Added to the Constitution in 1926, amended (not sure how) in 1981.
"All due respect, and I mean that sincerely, but how can you know if the process is being "abused" ..."That's my opinion. If this is indeed what was intended, then I do have a beef with the those who wrote it.
I worked from the time I was 15 on until I retired, I paid for everything I own , wear, eat, and live in. Sorry to burst your bubble. So unimaginative , can't you do better than that?So, you seem QUITE obsessed with your material goods.Did you teach all of your kids your rank hypocrisy?
I worked from the time I was 15 on until I retired, I paid for everything I own , wear, eat, and live in. Congratulations. Now what?
"These are getting increasingly more lame."E.M., they were lame from the start, with her "Santa Baby" snigger. Although it at least reminded me of the cover by Kellie Pickler, which has a nice arrangement and a sexy Marilyn Monroe vibe to it, unlike (IMHO) Eartha Kitt's frightening, breathy "you better watch out!" growl.
Really havent followed the Wisconsin kerpluffle--Apparently there is recall petion against the incumbent governor, who has apparently pissed som people off.So please, someone, preferably a wisconsite informed about the Wisconsin constitution and appropriate codes, enlighten me--some wisconsin voters wish to recall the governor--does the recall petition specify who should replace the governor if so recalled?Or is the governor declared persona non grata and is there a subsequent election to replace him (or her)?Or do recall petitions require a replacement name?If the current governor is recalled, does the Lt Gov (or some similar entity)take over the reins of governance?I would like someone to 'splain this all to me.These are my questions, and honestly i dont give a damn what the folks in Wisconsin do--its their state not mine. Just asking about process here.
I don't know, Roger, but I'm sure a recall supporter, who certainly deliberated carefully and responsibly before saddling the state with this burden, will be able to answer all your questions.
Original Mike--I await the answer with bated breath.
Me too, actually.
And the more I think about it, no. How long has this law been in place? Has it ever been abused like this? (Maybe it has, I don't know). Being a guy of low imagination, I try not to criticize well-meaning people of similar limitations.O.M., laws like these have been around for awhile. The CA recall law (from U of CA Govt. Studies Institute):"The language in the recall provision is strictly procedural. Substantive grounds for recalls are not specified. Recalls can be launched to remove corrupt officials, and to remove officials whose policies and performance are found wanting. The recall is but one of several mechanisms for removing public officers. Others include the normal criminal process, impeachment, term limits, and, of course, the next election."Obviously it's very vague, and the phrase 'whose policies and performance are found wanting' leaves it wide open for abuse (if WI recall law is similarly written). My understanding of recall law is that this was a safety mechanism that would allow the electorate to get rid of someone who was either corrupt or really, really sucked by all standards. Not 'I don't agree with your politics'. Usually congressfolk are loathe to impeach someone because the wind can change direction suddenly while you're pissing on your colleague.So it is legal, but that doesn't mean it's not being abused or that it couldn't use a little tightening up. To just say 'oh well, that's the law' is to imply a laissez-faire approach to all government regulation. Can you imagine a lefty advocating that financial regulation laws be left unchanged?
http://www.doj.state.wi.us/absolutenm/templates/template_share.aspx?articleid=2708&zoneid=1Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen Issues Formal Opinion: Wisconsin Constitution Requires a Separate Petition for Recall of Governor and Lieutenant GovernorThursday, November 03, 2011Electors to vote for each office separately if constitutional recall election for each officer is triggeredMADISON — Wisconsin Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen issued a formal opinion today concluding that the Wisconsin Constitution's recall provisions apply independently to the Office of Governor and the Office of Lieutenant Governor. If the constitutional requirements for a recall election are met with respect to one officer, only that office will appear on the ballot in a recall election. If both officers were to be recalled, recall elections would be held for each office and electors would vote for those offices independently.In the general election, as opposed to a recall election, the Governor and Lieutenant Governor are jointly elected as a partisan ticket.
Joe Schmoe--I liked your comment, but as you said, the procdures would, presumably based in the Wisconsin code and constitution.Still waiting for Wisonsite to explain this to me--preferably with cititations from the Wisconsin code or constitution.what happens in CA stays in CA--ask Grey Davis--what does Wisconsin law say about this?
RogerJ, A candidate does not need to be named at this time. Both the Governor and his Lieutenant are being recalled simultaneously, but on separate petitions.
And Allie--as I understand your link, it appears that the Lt Gov would assume the office of governor, since the Lt Governor is not a subject of the recall petition--Is that correct?
oops--sorry Allie--didnt see your subsequent post--so both the gov and lt gov are being recalled?
some wisconsin voters wish to recall the governor--does the recall petition specify who should replace the governor if so recalled?In the case of recalled Senators, there was an election held where the Senator ran against someone. I'm not certain, but I think if the recall signature-gathering is successful, then an opposition candidate (candidates? Why assume just one party?) is chosen and an election is held.So the recall petition only asks for a recall election to be held. That's my understanding -- I haven't actually read any petitions.
Allie et al--so were the petition drives to be affirmed, there would be a subsequent electio to elect both the gov and lt gov?
Guess what that refers toI would have guessed earmarks being added to some bill.But then I clicked on the comments.
Mad Man--as is usual remain the voice of reason on this blog--thanks
So as I understand from those who have been so gracios to respond--if both the gov and lt gov are recalled, then a general election will be required?
Allie et al--so were the petition drives to be affirmed, there would be a subsequent electio to elect both the gov and lt gov?11/16/11 2:10 PM Yes, Roger.
oops--sorry Allie--didnt see your subsequent post--so both the gov and lt gov are being recalled?11/16/11 2:08 PM Yes, so fellow Wisconsinites, don't forget to sign BOTH petitions.
And should the gov be recalled, and the lt gov not recalled, does the lt gov assume the governship?wv: enuffhow does the damn thing know?
and assuming both gov and lt gov are recalled when is general election held to elect a replacement for both positions?
And should the gov be recalled, and the lt gov not recalled, does the lt gov assume the governship?wv: enuffhow does the damn thing know?11/16/11 2:21 PMA recal election is different than a general election in that the Governor and Lt Governor are elected separately, so no Kleefish does not become Governor , should he be recalled and she survives recall. This is what I understand, but will see if I can find a source to link to.
and a follow-on--were both gov and lt gov recalled who runs the ship of Wisconsin state until a general election is held?I dont mean to sound contentious, but these seem to me to be appropriate questions.If you think I am out of bounds let me know.
Allie--thanks for your input--you seem to the only person willing to step up to the plate on my questions--which, again, I am not positing for argumenative purposes--only to find out what the process is,
http://elections.state.wi.us/docview.asp?docid=11827&locid=47The recall election is held on the Tuesday of the 6th week after the recall petitions are certified.
No problem Roger, happy to provide the particulars.:)
How does the recall work? I mean the petition doesn't remove Walker does it? It just triggers an election? in which Walker can run? So Walker gets a chance to talk about how the unions caused teacher layoffs in Milwaukee and so on. So why the celebration by leftists? I think they are whistling past their graveyard.
were both gov and lt gov recalled who runs the ship of Wisconsin state until a general election is held?The recall only means that an election will be scheduled to vote between the elected official to be recalled and his or her opponent(s).So the governor would continue to govern, just as he (or she) would if a "regular" general election was approaching.
Mad Man--thanks to you as wellI find it fascinating, at least as the thread responses have played out, not many wisconsites understand the consequences of a recall and what happens in its aftermath.My thanks to Allie and Mad Man who have tried to inform me--I hope both of you can bring some facts to the table as a result of a recall petition.As I said, I have no dog in this fight--I think an informed electorate needs to know the potential consequences of their vote.
There could also be a Primary in the recall election process, so another Republican could challenge Walker. If he isn't challenged he can run again against the Democratic candidate.
Allie--again thanks--has there been a democratic candidate who might seek the governship? If so who?
I should clarify, If Walker loses the Primary vote , then he obviously would not run again, interesting, no?
The recall election, Ms Allie, is interesting--which led me to me first list of questions.
Screen grab: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/11/democrats-plan-cemetery-petition-drive-to-collect-names-to-oust-scott-walker/Democrats will do anything to get enough signatures for the recall!
Mahlon Mitchell,a firefighter union chief is very popular. Some hope he will run. Nice video of him in link.http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/27/8506067-firefighter-union-chief-considering-run-against-scott-walker
has there been a democratic candidate who might seek the governship? If so who?There have been names tossed around as trial balloons, but I don't think anyone has declared an intention to run. I could be wrong. Politics is wearying to keep up with.I know that Feingold has said he would not run. There are probably others.
"Mahlon Mitchell,a firefighter union chief is very popular."With who? You live in a very bizarre world.
Would that be the Mahlon Mitchell that refused to have the City of Madison Fire Department participate in the state 9/11 commemoration ceremony because the governor gave a speech there?Is that why he is popular?
"My understanding of recall law is that this was a safety mechanism that would allow the electorate to get rid of someone who was either corrupt or really, really sucked by all standards. Not 'I don't agree with your politics'."Yeah, the "I don't agree with your politics" reason is abuse, in my book. And you know how we can test for abuse (unfortunately, after the fact)? Walker is recalled 75% to 25% = legit. Walker is recalled 52% to 48% = abuse.
Hey, I live in Arizona, and about six months ago when people began the drive to recall Russell Pearce (arguably the most powerful politician in the state) NOBODY thought there was any chance at all that it could succeed.Even a month ago, all the pundits were predicting he'd pull it out, and a week before the recall were shocked when a poll came out showing the race was a dead heat.But-- it can be done. We did it.(best thing about Arizona-- we are now the only state in the country with politicians named Jerry Lewis, Dean Martin and Paul Newman.
>>I find it fascinating, at least as the thread responses have played out, not many wisconsites understand the consequences of a recall and what happens in its aftermath.<<I think you're drawing the wrong conclusion. We are very much aware of what will happen in the event of a recall. Here in S/E Wisconsin we're watching how the recall campaign kicked off with a rally in front of Walker's private residence; the proponents of the recall aren't making many friends with that stunt.
Curious George, did you find out YOU were the idiot? Hahahahahaha.
While I am generally against most of the rulings by that left-wing icon of the Supreme Court, Oliver Wendell Holmes, reading Allie's pathetic scribblings makes me reconsider my opposition to his ruling in Buck v. Bell (274 U. S. 200 (1927) for those of you legally inclined).Perhaps this liberal lion of the Supreme Court may have been on to something, in the extremely narrow circumstance of inferiors such as Allie, Garage, and the other leftwing dregs that inhabit this site.To quote Holmes, "Three generations of imbeciles is enough."
Curious George, I can just see you rushing to delete your comments when you found out YOU WERE WRONG LMAO!
we are now the only state in the country with politicians named Jerry Lewis, Dean Martin and Paul Newman.You've posted this before. But a great fact like this deserves repeating.
Here's a reform that would weed out abuse: A successful recall requires 2/3rds of the votes.
How many elections, even with known corrupt politicos, are decided that overwhelmingly? (I don't know the answer to that question).I don't want the bar too high. The number of signatures required for it should probably be upped, however -- although I don't know what that requirement is either!I don't know very much, apparently.
Recall should not be just another election. It should be for malfeasance or incompetance.
2/3rds is the bar to remove the President, if I am not mistaken. The logic in having the bar that high is clear. "Elections 'till we win" is unstablizing.
@MadMad, I used to have you pegged as a standard-issue Madison liberal. But here and in other recent threads you are displaying a decent amount of common sense. Since liberals don't usually exhibit any degree of common sense, I have to find a new pigeon hole for you.
Isn't Jerry Lewis in California? San Bernardino area I think. Or are their two Jerry Lewi in Congress?
"Allie said...Curious George, I can just see you rushing to delete your comments when you found out YOU WERE WRONG LMAO!"Rushing? They were up for an hour.I was thinking of a non-partisan election, as this came up regarding Prosser.Your point really is stupid however. There is no way that Walker will not be on the final ballot. No real GOP contender will oppose him. I suppose a strong Dem contender could oppose him, and make the primary into the recall election, for all intents and purposes....but that ain't going to happen. So Walker will be on the ballot. There might be GOPs in the Democratic primary...and there could be multiple Dems. Of course right now there is none. I think it's telling that lefties are big on Mahlon Mitchell. You really don't care who runs the state as long as it's not Walker. But this guy is a one trick pony...a union guy...and the last thing the left wants top talk about is the public union issue. If Mitchell gets the nod Walker will ea him for lunch. He will be the lefts next Lena Taylor.Wait, weren't you the one that thought Taylor would have a chance now against Walker? Pretty sure you were. And conforms that you are in fact a moron.
Has a certain childish charm, no?Amusing, these 'many' that refuse to take 'no' for an answer.I doubt there are many who've considered the ramifications of a recall.
'Twas the Night Before Recall, or A Visit From a Fighting Spirit.by Steven Philip Senski‘Twas the night before Recall, and all through the stateOf Wisconsin were voters who scarcely could wait... The papers were Xeroxed and readied with careIn fond hopes of the signatures soon to be thereThe children were slumbering, home safely from schoolsWhich were gutted and cut by Republican 'tools'With our Recall Scott Walker sign stuck in the lawnMy wife and I planned to arise with the dawnAnd set out, door to door, to those neighbors we knewWho were just as disgusted at Scooter and CrewWhen down from the street there arose such a blastI thought, Lord, what new hell has the GOP passed?The November air, once so chilly and quietWas filled with excitement; could it be a riot?A storm, it was breaking; not one from the skyBut a groundswell that rose with a hue and a cryWhen what to my wondering eye appear’d thenceBut a figure in black from a century henceHe marched with a fist raised in manner defiantWhile his workers upon ev’ry word were reliant“On Wausau! On Oshkosh! On Point and Milwaukee!On Kenosha and Ashland! Yes, you too, Pewaukee!To each office and home, till you reach one and all.Now sign away, sign away, sign to Recall!”They came from their neighborhoods, came from their jobs,They came, though reviled as thugs and as slobsThey came from Menasha, Monona and MerrillThey came, for they knew that their state was in perilThere were Waukesha folk, not a lot, it was plainBut they worked with resolve like their county was DaneNow who was their leader, this fiery speakerWho roused them when they should grow sullen or weaker?His clothes were familiar, his stance, it was steel’dBut the night kept his features being revealedI awaited the point when mayhap we would meetAs he solemnly marched up my once-sleepy streetThen…a turn! Now a streetlamp! Epiphany in light!And we saw Bob La Follette returned for the fight!This was no fragile ghost, but substantial in powerThat grew from his minions, was fed by the hourAnd at last I could see, and with joy understandThat the Progressive Spirit returned to our landThen our gaze finally met, dear old Bob’s and my ownAnd for one beat in time, we were two souls aloneHe gave me a smile, I returned it in kindThough one living, one not, we were of the same mindAs I saw tears a-forming from tired old lidsI held my wife close, and we thought of our kidsFor this task to be done wasn’t for here and nowBut for those to come after, so they would see howWe must always be wary and watchful and wiseFor greed and corruption takes any disguiseAnd when given the chance, shapes the world to its wishesBut Wisconsin’s not open to those avariciousBob La Follette, he knew it, and now we do tooThough the task is historic, we must see it throughThen Bob gave me a nod, and the night closed aroundAs he slipped from my view, making nary a soundBut I heard him exclaim as he marched out of sight,“Happy Recall to all! Never give up the fight!”
Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!
"@MadMad, I used to have you pegged as a standard-issue Madison liberal. But here and in other recent threads you are displaying a decent amount of common sense. Since liberals don't usually exhibit any degree of common sense, I have to find a new pigeon hole for you."You are correct, MM is a pretty reasonable guy.
With regard to recall reform, I propose the number of signatures needed is the amount the candidate received in the prior election plus 1.
Allie said...This post has been removed by the author.11/16/11 6:50 PMWrong too, huh?
No, EM Davis, I posted two Night Before Recalls, I deleted the first one, because it wasn't as witty as the one that I left. BUT I can post it again , no problem:) Or how about some more carols?
The children were slumbering, home safely from schoolsWhich were gutted and cut by Republican 'tools''Twas the Night Before Christmas was fiction, too.
I realize to you left wing morons...*sigh*Keeping it classy as always, I see. I've been respectful to those I disagree with; is it really too much to ask others to do so as well?Seriously, instead of just playing these childish name-calling games you should try to have an actual discussion. You could start off by explaining why you personally choose to vote. I go to the ballotbox 'cause I want to express my will...my viewpoints....my vision...for the city/state/county/country. I do this by voting for someone who can best represent that for me. Why else would someone bother to cast a ballot?
If I hadn't read the tags, I'd have just assumed that Ann was talking about the Kindle Fire. Got mine yesterday ...wv: onefu
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