September 12, 2011

Text at last: The American Jobs Act.

Read it.

164 comments:

blake said...

Read it?

How passé.

We pass bills to find out what's in them these days.

Shouting Thomas said...

Ok, a quick scan reveals that one aspect is completely bogus:

To ensure that the American Jobs Act is fully paid for, the President will call on the Joint Committee to come up with additional deficit reduction necessary to pay for the Act and still meet its deficit target.

A future Congress will be called on to implement budget cuts, which will, of course, never be made.

Shouting Thomas said...

A very ominous point:

Allowing more Americans to refinance their mortgages at today’s near 4 percent interest rates, which can put more than $2,000 a year in a family’s pocket.

I've heard rumblings that Obama wants to push the banks once again to loan to uncreditworthy borrowers.

How does he plan to allow this?

Fred4Pres said...

"Tax Cuts to Help America’s Small Businesses Hire and Grow."

About time you caught on.

Original Mike said...

"Watch the enhanced version of the President's Address to Congress which features graphs, charts," and a paragraph on the back of each one, explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against us.

Ignorance is Bliss said...

Read it.

Maybe I missed something, but your link neither includes, nor links to, the text of the act.

It has links to highlights and a complete overview, but no text.

AJ Lynch said...

What Blake said !

And don't you think there oughta be a law that these bills be clearly marked with a price tag so taxpayers know what it costs.

Jeez, they would probably arrest Trooper and his wife if their store's merchandise had no price tags.

Scott M said...

So...I take it this one is only 1000 pages the Dem politicians won't read? Do we need to pass this one to find out what's in it? Perhaps we need a stimulus for congressional legal aides to make sure SOMEONE reads the damned bill this time.

Carol_Herman said...

Oy. Obama wanted $500-billion. And, he got it. The rest of the speech doesn't matter. To give away money, the senate went along.

There's also another reality. You can see it in the way people belt tighten when dealing with economic downturns. We are there, now. So growing anything at all may well be impossible.

If things got boyant? Boy, then people get like those arabs and jump through hoops to do "arab-springs." Highly overrated.

You want a show of an old executive now on trial? Go look at egypt. You think it's just Mubarak caged on a gurney? Try the whole lot of egyptians are now sunk in this mire. And, they can't get out! (On the other hand, over a six day period of time, the Israelis, with the help of the Americans, extracted all their personnel for Egypt, safely.)

Obama got to learn some lessons, too, all over again. About the saud's. And, the arabs in general.

While, oddly enough, Kaddafi keeps hanging on. (Did you know when you hear "Sahara" ... and Kaddafi is hiding someplace in the Sahara ... the the vastness of that desert is LARGER than the size of the USA? Check it out on a map!

Assad is also holding on.

We're lucky we're not under the thumbs of a despot! That we're arguing "less government?" Probably so. Cuts ahead. But whose gonna become unemployed? More white people?

You didn't know most teachers are white?

Nah. No awakening. Business as usual. It's an environment actually favorable to Obama. Not so much to Perry. Or Michele Bachmann. I don't even give Mitt a passing shot.

But that's just me.

Seeing Red said...

Allowing more Americans to refinance their mortgages at today’s near 4 percent interest rates, which can put more than $2,000 a year in a family’s pocket.



Allowing?

The parent will "allow?"

How will he do that?

BTW, we're already refinancing. 4.25%.

BJM said...

Maybe I'm missing it, but don't see a link to the actual bill text, this is just more flim-flam crapola.

There's a very big difference between "allowing" and "shall".

nevadabob said...

"Maybe I missed something, but your link neither includes, nor links to, the text of the act."

This is correct.

The text of the Act is not linked on the White House website because that text doesn't exist. It hasn't been written yet.

The White House is full of shit, which is hardly surprising.

Michael said...

You know, you can read it if you want. But if the Dems lose both of the special elections tomorrow-- no one expected a win in Nevada, but NY will be a very public embarrassment-- you will see every Democrat in Congress backing away from passing anything from Obama as fast as they can.

Levi Starks said...

I actually considered reading it, but then went down the list of white house blogs, and decided- naaa.

Holmes said...

How much of it was just cut and paste from the last time we did this?

nevadabob said...

The official White House transcript also has not been amended to eliminate the stupid assertion that Abraham Lincoln founded the Republican Party.

nevadabob said...

"You know, you can read it if you want."

Actually, you can't read it. The White House hasn't released the text of this Act because the White House hasn't written the text it is lecturing Congress to pass.

Even if Congress passes 100% of what Obama asked for, there are 25.6 million people looking for full time work in this country and even the New York Times' economists estimate that Obama's job's plan would create at most 1 to 1.5 million jobs.

Obama doesn't even have a plan for the other 23 million people who want full-time work but can't find it thanks to his piss poor leadership.

Levi Starks said...

The giving everyone a chance to refinance at 4% is just another way to say there is no longer any value in personal economic responsibility. Simply being alive entitles you to the same interest rate as those who have spent a lifetime making careful conservative economic decisions for themselves and their families.

Pastafarian said...

This was just exactly what I was hoping for.

I get a break on payroll tax; and a tax credit for hiring a wounded vet; and another credit for hiring someone who's been chronically unemployed.

So I just have to find a wounded vet who's been chronically unemployed, and hire him to...sweep the floor, over and over, I guess. And I'll get about $10,000 in tax credits, back from the hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes that I pay in.

Score!

And I don't have much to do, so I was really looking forward to several thousand more pages of obscurely worded government documents that I can comb through to find all of these little Easter eggs that Easter Bunny Obama has sprinkled about the garden.

I suspect that if the wounded vet is also a left-handed ginger, I might get an extra $875. This shit's fun, it's like doing sudoku; only with more federal prison involved if you solve it incorrectly.

Oh, and I get to update Peachtree to put this temporary change in withholding rates in there. Love, love, love to update Peachtree.

And thank goodness we can start renovating all of these run-down commercial properties. Because that's what you do with money, when you're in a super-saturated commercial real estate market -- you spruce those motherfuckers up.

Thanks Easter Bunny!

Scott M said...

Simply being alive entitles you to the same interest rate as those who have spent a lifetime making careful conservative economic decisions for themselves and their families.

This! Some complained back when the original housing bubble burst and the federal government was trying bail people out of their underwater mortgages. I specifically remember panel members on Hardball making the same point as above; that people that made wise choices, bought a house they could offord and plan for the future were getting screwed.

Matthews said, "Life's not fair."

If only the rest of the left would discover this axiomatic truth about life.

Levi Starks said...

In the world of liberal ethics you are entitled to wake up everyday with a clean slate, never to be hindered by the mistakes you made yesterday, or the previous week or any previous time in your life. Accountability for previous actions is to them an unnecessary hindrance to happiness in this current moment. And heaven forbid anyone should have to struggle, because struggling sounds like suffering, and suffering no matter how slight cannot be tolerated in the utopia we are creating for ourselves.

nevadabob said...

"The giving everyone a chance to refinance at 4% is just another way to say there is no longer any value in personal economic responsibility."

Not only that, it's bullshit. The market is already offering 4% interest rates.

Even better on 15-year notes. Wells Fargo today offers 3.25%.

Obama wants the federal government to compete against banks ... just like they took over the car companies. Now they're trying to bankrupt the banks.

This is all bullshit campaign commercial crap so Obama can claim he did something, but the bad old Republicans stole your cookies.

https://www.wellsfargo.com/mortgage/rates/

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PETER V. BELLA said...

There is not text of the actual act. It is merely highlights and an overview.

He will not put the whole text out there. He knows it is another failed big lie.

LilyBart said...

Let me see if I understand this -

If they pass this bill, and I lose my job a week later, the President wants to take my tax money to incent businesses to hire someone other than me?

This is typical of government programs - thinking of only part of the equation - helping one group - without consideration about hurting everyone else.

AJ Lynch said...

Decreasing the interest rate means bank stock owners and bondholders will see a decrease in their interest income and dividends. So the stimulus effect could very well be a wash. But it will redistribute income which is always Prez Obama's No. 1 Goal.

AJ Lynch said...

LilyBart:

Correct. Obama and the Dems love to decide who wins and who loses.

Bruce Hayden said...

The Nevada race can't be very tight. I am sitting up here in Montana, and never got anything in the mail back in Nevada to vote. If you get out of Reno proper, it is hard to find any Democrats in that district, and, esp. not now.

Ok, at my office there, there were a majority, but probably some of the only Dems in town.

If the Democrat wins in NV, I will kick myself for not voting. But I expect that my rear end is safe. We shall see.

Shouting Thomas said...

I haven't read this in enough detail to comment much further...

But, it looks to me like Obama continues to refuse to get out of the way and allow the private sector to flourish.

He's still convinced that it is the government that should fuel the economy.

Tom said...

The state by state impact proves the entire thing is just yet another tax payer funded Obama re-election ploy.

Levi Starks said...

I imagine the federal government as a someone walking a tightrope struggling to keep their balance. With each attempt to regain their balance their arms flail in increasingly wide arcs until the inevitable happens and they begin a steep decent toward the earth below.

Bruce Hayden said...

I expect that Obama's bill is not going to make it unscathed. For one thing, apparently, there are provisions in it for saving 200K+ teachers' jobs, plus a lot of police and fire jobs. Which translates into more federal money to bail out their pension plans and to funnel to the DNC by their unions. Not going to happen.

And, of course, there is "infrastructure" in there too. Apparently, Obama has forgotten that there is no such thing as a shovel ready project any more.

Which reminds me of, I think, Bob Bechtol last week on the 5 on Fox. He questioned that most of the infrastructure money was aimed at unions. I couldn't figure out whether he had never heard of Davis-Bacon, or was just being his usual partisan hack self.

Which apparently can be, but hasn't been, waived - or at least it apparently can be for disasters.

Which points out that much of the delay and the reason that there is no such thing as shovel ready products is the volume of federal paperwork and the number of federal regulations that need to be satisfied before contracts can be let and construction begun.

Of course, the Executive branch issues these regulations, the very same Executive branch that President Obama theoretically heads. It would be interesting to determine how many of these regulations have been waived by his Administration in the name of expediting construction of infrastructure projects, or, just to help us get out of the recession. And, then, compare it to the number of regulations added by his Administration that hurt the recovery. However, I think that one would have to make sure that the number of regulations waived did not end up on the bottom in a division.

Shouting Thomas said...

I really wondered about the "saving teacher's jobs" bit, too.

Teacher's jobs are being cut where I live because of declining student populations.

People just aren't having as many kids.

We're supposed to have the same number of teachers, even if student populations decline?

Elle said...

Just listened to Glenn Beck play "which stimulus speech was it?" Difficult to tell the difference since the ideas are identical, unless you were listening to his tone. "Jobs" bill had a definite temper tantrum attitude to it.

Hilarious, in a we-are-so-screwed kind of way.

Alex said...

So this new regulation:

Prohibiting employers from discriminating against unemployed workers when hiring.

How will it be enforced? Yet another anvil on the back of American business! Thanks Barry.

Alex said...

Immediate investments in infrastructure and a bipartisan National Infrastructure Bank,
modernizing our roads, rail, airports and waterways while putting hundreds of thousands of workers back on the job.


More shovel-ready jobs? Really were they the first time? Just more union giveaways! *spit*

Alex said...

Preventing up to 280,000 teacher layoffs, while keeping cops and firefighters on the job.

Another sop to the unions. Where is the regulation forbidding private-sector layoffs Barry?

bagoh20 said...

"Read it."

Does it start with ""Call me Ishmael"?

AJ Lynch said...

Can anyone explain how an infrastructure bank works? The pols make it sound like it's a free lunch.

ErnieG said...

If this thing is anything like the "Affordable Health Care Act," there will be finely crafted "sleeper" passages tucked away here and there that will give rise to hundreds of pages of onerous regulations benefiting favored constituencies.

Kirby Olson said...

"The committee of six will do all the heavy lifting. It's above my pay grade. I just try to make outlandish proposals for new spending. Other people will figure out where the money is coming from."

Scott M said...

Does it start with ""Call me Ishmael"?

No, I'm betting is starts with "Call me (insert name to be determined later by the debt commission)".

or

No, I think it starts, "Rage. Sing, O Pelosi, of the rage of Obama, son of Barack..."

Clyde said...

Meanwhile, Fox News just showed some Obama henchman in a press conference admitting that taxes would be going up on people making $200,000 or couples making $250,000 in order to pay for it.

So those small businessman will have money taken out of their pockets (and businesses) in order to pay for Obama's scheme to get them to hire more people.

Brilliant!

I guess Obama is changing the phrase "robbing Peter to pay Paul" to "robbing Peter to pay Peter"! Now that's change you can believe in!

Clyde said...

He's gonna make those thousandaires pay their fair share!

Jim Bullock said...

Um, how can someone writing a *blog* on the WH *web site* not get that the interwebs isn't just another kind of push media?

Text. In legal language, as submitted to congress. Ideally with delivery time-stamped and under revision control.

This "new media" isn't just another way to get to the proles, over heads of opinion makers and analysts. It *is also* an expectation that you'll show your work, footnote your facts, and put it all out there for people to analyze independently.

I don't know whether the idiot "media" will pick it up, but you can believe that every engaged, motivated citizen will note that we haven't been given the info to make an informed decision.

PaulV said...

How many jobs will be destoyed by federal law suit against banks. BOA is laying off 10,000 now. Destroy the banks to make more loans??? LOL! 20% down should be required to protect industry from another housing bubble.
Yes, Obama wants an election year tax cut, WTF.
Next he may say drill, baby, drill to create energy jobs he has destroyed.

Original Mike said...

"...some Obama henchman in a press conference admitting that taxes would be going up on people making $200,000 or couples making $250,000 in order to pay for it."

Stubborn, isn't he?

prairie wind said...

you can believe that every engaged, motivated citizen will note that we haven't been given the info to make an informed decision.

All I needed was to know that Obama suggested this.

Temporary tax cuts are not going to provide the stability businesses are craving.

Alex said...

You know garage is going to come in here any moment and tell us how we're all just a bunch of insane wingnuts for not supporting this.

3-2-1...

Original Mike said...

"Can anyone explain how an infrastructure bank works? The pols make it sound like it's a free lunch."

I'm thinking Fannie and Freddie for bridges.

prairie wind said...

Tax hikes, not tax cuts.

Still not the stability business is craving.

Mike K said...

Obama and his people are incoherent and can't understand why nobody believes them.

The public has tuned him out as noise.

Widely Seen said...

Text at last,
Text at last,
Thank God almighty,
There's text at last!

Oops, just practicing for whenever the real thing shows up...

wv: misregra = wrong key

AJ Lynch said...

Ok Orig Mike, we should come up with a name for the infrastructure bank then. I suggest:

Solid Gold Highway Fund

or

Bridges to Everywhere

traditionalguy said...

Slush Funds-R-Us!

It is like a Sears Catalog fullof pretty pictures!

Obama plans to start a re-election media meme that he is being blocked from saving the jobs that he has ignored for three years when he wasn't killing jobs along with killing the USA's energy industry.

AJ Lynch said...

Trad Guy said:

"Slush Funds R Us"

We have a winner!

Scott M said...

Solid Gold Highway Fund

or

Bridges to Everywhere


B of A...Be VERY of A.

garage mahal said...

You know garage is going to come in here any moment and tell us how we're all just a bunch of insane wingnuts for not supporting this.

If it means creating any jobs or helping the economy of course I wouldn't expect conservatives to support it. That would be stripped out of the bill post haste.

Roger J. said...

I doubt that anyone (meaning the Anmerican public) is listening to jug ears--the bill, like the President himself, is full of sound and fury and totally empty--this is simply a step in his coming campaign to villify the opposition. The sooner we are rid of this clown in the white house, the better we will be. (lest the secret service come down on me, I am referring to the electoral process)

Henry said...

That would be stripped out of the bill post haste.

Don't worry. That won't be necessary.

Brennan said...

Maybe I'm missing it, but don't see a link to the actual bill text, this is just more flim-flam crapola.

Looks that way to me. I cannot find the text of the bill. Which means it is written down to share with the public. Which means Harry Reid is writing it in his office.

Ignorance is Bliss said...

AJ Lynch said...

Can anyone explain how an infrastructure bank works?

Easy. If North Carolina has a few more bridges then they need at the moment, they deposit them in the bank. If California needs more bridges then they have, they can borrow some from the bank, and then pay them back, with interest, over time.

And thanks to the wonders of fractional banking, for every bridge that North Carolina deposits, the bank can lend 10 bridges to other states.

It's a win-win.

Christopher in MA said...

"If it means creating any jobs or helping the economy of course I wouldn't expect conservatives to support it. That would be stripped out of the bill post haste."

But don't you DARE question garage's patriotism!

Alex said...

you have to understand. Garage was the real patriot all along. The rest of us are plain traitors.

Henry said...

Easy. If North Carolina has a few more bridges then they need at the moment, they deposit them in the bank. If California needs more bridges then they have, they can borrow some from the bank, and then pay them back, with interest, over time.

Once again, George Bailey is going to miss out on his honeymoon.

Levi Starks said...

Banks create money out of thin are, so infrastructure banks will of course create bridges out of thin air.

Levi Starks said...

but unlike banks, the bridges will nerve collapse

sorepaw said...
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Henry said...

"Text at last: The American Jobs Act."

If the audience laughter isn't in it, it's not the real text.

* * *

@prairie wind -- Thanks for the link. You've given us one substantive detail to add to the White House's lack of information.

The White House's plan to eliminate state and local tax deductibility for high-income folks is probably a non-starter, but the Republicans should pass it. They can pretend their doing it for the greater good.

And then the wealthy will move to Texas. The Red States will get the entrepreneurs. New York City will get crushed. So will California. Expect Mayor Bloomberg and Governor Brown to both come out against this brilliant plan.

Browndog said...

Here's my comment on how Obama plans to pay for it:

I'll let others comment, then pick the one that really works, and that will be my comment.

If none make the grade, then my comment will be:

Obama is a mind numbing, one-trick pony asshole.

Brennan said...

I imagine the infrastructure bank would look something like the DoE's "bank" for giving sweetheart loans to Solyndra and making sure that the private equity gets first in line on recouping their losses.

Dusty said...

Sorry, but that's not even close to the American Jobs Act. Acts are legislative bills. And they read like legislative bills.

This is just a fact sheet. It might be detailed but it's just a fact sheet. And it's a fact sheet from the Obama Administration so the facts are going to be, well, let's just say, awfully loose.

Has the WH provided a proposed bill? If not, who is going to write it? The Republicans in the House and the Dems in the Senate?

Let me know when there is a bill.

Let me say it another way. The speech was idea. This is a summary. The details will be in the bill. What is at the WH web page are not details, mostly because all the devils are not included.

Alex said...

The point is liberals believe in Obama's job-creating potential. You have to believe, otherwise there is no hope.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Decreasing the interest rate means bank stock owners and bondholders will see a decrease in their interest income and dividends.

Banks do NOT want to refinance your loans. Why would they? It would be a stupid business decision at this time.

Interest rates on loans are at an historic low. The bank would be locking in its income for the next 30 years at these lows, while at the same time knowing that the savings rates, their expenses, are certainly going to be going up.

Let's see

Lock in future income to a guaranteed low versus the certainty that expenses will rise in the future. What could be wrong with that business model?

The only thing that the banks can do...and WILL do, if forced to make these terrible loans is to raise fees and charges on all of the rest of us to make up the difference in income/expenses.

Get ready to be hosed by your bank and thank Obama for the experience.
I'm trying to figure out how our corporation could hire me as a bookkeeper and get that 4000 credit. I've been unemployed for over 6 months. Win Win :-D

Christopher in MA said...

"Obama is a mind numbing, one-trick pony asshole."

I denounce you for racism, Browndog. All good-thinking people know SCoAMF (Stuttering Clusterfuck of A Miserable Failure) is the go-to phrase du jour.

TosaGuy said...

I was pondering a kitchen upgrade and a new vehicle or buying some more stock. Given the next 18 months of cluelessness, I think I will continue to John Galt that money. I know more than a few folks who think the same way. Pile up the reserves and hope that you have enough.

Bumsurf said...

According to www.recovery.gov (the WH site) $33.7M has been spent in my zipcode so far. Guess how many jobs were created with that paltry sum? If you guessed one (1), you're right! That was the first American Jobs Act. Fool me once...

Browndog said...

Wierd.

It's almost as if we have seen this movie before.

It seems that when Obama won the election, and created The Office of the President Elect, he proposed a $450 Billion "Stimulus" package to include money for teachers, and firefighters, and infrastructure, even creating an infrastructure bank based on the European model, targeted tax incentives for special interests, payroll tax holiday, etc...

Naturally, by the time Pelosi and Reid got done writing it, it had swelled to well over $1Trillion, and had to be scaled back.

Oh, about that infrastructure bank that nobody seems to remember Obama had to put in his back pocket for another time-

Obama's team turn to EU bank for inspiration

Sunday, 25 January 2009

edutcher said...

Hate to agree with nevadabob, but where's the actual text of the bill?

I see highlights I can download, an overview I can read (assuming I wasn't educated by union teachers), I can see how it will affect me (suuure), and I can call the White House.

Another, "We have to pass it to see what's in it", production.

BJM said...

@Clyde

So those small businessman will have money taken out of their pockets (and businesses) in order to pay for Obama's scheme to get them to hire more people.

Brilliant!


Yep.

1.Tax small businesses
2.?
3.Jobs!

Add in raising taxes on general aviation (corporate jets) and oil/gas and you've got a Gnome underpants trifecta!

Browndog said...

I denounce you for racism, Browndog. All good-thinking people know SCoAMF (Stuttering Clusterfuck of A Miserable Failure) is the go-to phrase du jour.

Yea, I know.

I couldn't remember the exact language off the top of my head, so I went rogue

BJM said...

@DBQ

Lock in future income to a guaranteed low versus the certainty that expenses will rise in the future. What could be wrong with that business model?

Yeah, it's worked so well for the US Postal Service.

wv=hapen As in: it ain't gonna hapen, Bammy.

C R Krieger said...

Ignorance is Bliss makes my point.

What was that First Reading a couple of Sunday's ago?

Jeremiah 20:7..."You duped me, O Lord, and I let myself be duped".  The 22nd Sunday in Ordinary Time.

And so it is here.

Regards  —  Cliff

Hoosier Daddy said...

"... Meanwhile, Fox News just showed some Obama henchman in a press conference admitting that taxes would be going up on people making $200,000 or couples making $250,000 in order to pay for it...."

Well no shit. There aren't enough millionaires and billionaires to pay for all the things government wants to spend money on.

kimsch said...

Obama had an inch thick stack of paper held together with a black binder clip in his hand this morning. Of course it probably was/could have been a stack of blank paper with a brightly colored cover sheet on top.

wc: ficie

David said...

Why should I read any White House summaries of this bill? I will read the bill, and informed summaries and discussions, but there is no reason to trust the WH to put out any summary that is honest.

Browndog said...

In the very near future I expect Moody's to, once again, remind President Downgrade what gave birth to the tea party movement, and what ushered in an unprecedented and historic republican power sweep just mere months ago.

kimsch said...

Hoosier, and why do they discriminate against married couples? A single can make up to $200K but a couple only $250K. So, if my husband makes $175K I can only make up to $75K before we'd hit the ceiling, but if I was single, I could make up to $200K before hitting the same ceiling.

Gender discrimination and marriage discrimination.

Hoosier Daddy said...

"... If it means creating any jobs or helping the economy of course I wouldn't expect conservatives to support it...."

Maybe because it was tried before to the tune of $700+ billion and didn't work.

pcrh said...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/09/09/american-jobs-act-read-all-details

The man is formidable. He asks the deficit committee to pay for the jobs plan ($0.5T), so they have to find $2T instead of $1.5T ($1.5T was agreed on in the recent debt ceiling limit debate). Then he comes out with suggestions about how to pay for his jobs plan--and picks all the low hanging fruit the deficit committee would have picked anyway to reach their original goal of $1.5T. Now he can say, "I figured out how to pay for the jobs plan." Leaves them on the hook for the remaining $1.5T. But gets his own wishlist paid for up front.

Pretty slick.

Original Mike said...

"The man is formidable."

Not the first word that comes to my mind.

nevadabob said...

And now we see why Obama has been hiding his "jobs" plan ... it's a stealth tax increase ... one of the highest in history ... and breaks his campaign pledge of not raising taxes on any one making less then $250,000 a year.

This plan is DOA.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904353504576566802250477510.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

BJM said...

@kimsch

Obama had an inch thick stack of paper held together with a black binder clip in his hand this morning. Of course it probably was/could have been a stack of blank paper with a brightly colored cover sheet on top.


Moochelle's 2012 travel itinerary?

BJM said...

@pcrh

"The man is fungible."

FIFY

Coketown said...

It is not Obama's intention to have this bill pass. He knows it's sloppy, ineffective, and is basically the Recovery Act 2.0. He knows it will fail in the House, and then he can spend 14 months blaming Republicans for obstructionism.

If the bill wasn't a total fustercluck, I'd suggest the Republicans go ahead and pass it so it can fail just as miserably as Recovery Act 1.0. Unfortunately, the consequences of it passing are too ghastly to imagine.

lgv said...

If one spends $450b now and pays for it with tax increases that generate $450b over ten years, then isn't that just more deficit spending?

If not, then how can government revenue generation (i.e. increased taxes) and equal spending be stimulative? You can't have it both ways.

The only difference is it includes the actual payback plan vs. nothing.

So, you help small business with $xxx tax breaks and increase taxes on families making $250k. I don't think he understands that those are often the same people.

garage mahal said...

Maybe because it was tried before to the tune of $700+ billion and didn't work.

Actually it did work as it was intended, and only around 200 billion of it was slated for infrastructure type jobs.

DCS said...

I can't read it. I can only read a pre-digested press release that purports to show the results of the bill, not the details. When the Patient Protection and Affordable Act was passed, I read most of it online and it scared the pants off me.

prairie wind said...

Better tighten your suspenders, then, DCS.

Coketown said...

After all the humiliation, torture, and tragedy this administration has subjected us to, and the shocking reality that there are still people faithful enough to re-elect Obama, I think we all feel like American Jobs. Hence the bill's title. It's not about jobs; it's a Bible reference!

Coketown said...

Actually it did work as it was intended, and only around 200 billion of it was slated for infrastructure type jobs.

You might want to consult with Christina Romer to see if it "worked as it was intended." And why can't liberals get it through their heads that transfer payments and tax cuts are, under neo-Keynesian theory, as-if-not-more stimulative than infrastructure spending? Regardless of how it was comprised, we had $800 billion in "stimulus" spending that failed. It is absurd to think less would do more.

Toshtu said...

Text at last, text at last. Thank O almighty we've text at last!

wv: uptedi. How Obama holds bows his head in prayer

Seeing Red said...

For instance, Fox reports that the president’s plan eliminates the deductions for state and local taxes paid. The administration estimates that the new taxes would raise $400 billion of the $447 billion price tag of the jobs package.




Blue staters will love this~


wv: razative - this pending bill is very razative.

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yashu said...

Obama had an inch thick stack of paper held together with a black binder clip in his hand this morning. Of course it probably was/could have been a stack of blank paper with a brightly colored cover sheet on top.

All work and no play makes Barack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Barack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Barack a dull boy.

Seeing Red said...

If they pass this bill, and I lose my job a week later, the President wants to take my tax money to incent businesses to hire someone other than me?




It's like FIFO?? Instead of 1st In, 1st Out

It's FOFI!


1st out, 1st in!

Simon said...

As several other commenters have pointed out, the post doesn't link to the bill, and none of the links on the page to which it does go link in turn to the bill. Nor have I been able to get to the bill by searching around on the WH site. I think a corrected post is in order...

This morning, Obama told us that the bill he four days ago demanded that Congress pass "right away" would be available tongiht. What if, gee, what if... this is all we're getting? What if this is what he plans to send to Congress?

Lance said...

National Journal says this is the text of the bill.

BTW I hate scribd. Most unreadable online format ever.

Simon said...

I mean—LOL—where's the bill, Mr. President? You told Congress you'd send it to them, and you demanded that they pass it right away. Is this it? This is it? Tell us that this isn't it. Tell us that you have an actual bill to send to Congress, not just a recipe whence they can bake their own bill.

Lance said...

When is the federal government going to finally enter the 21st century? We've got these things now called hyperlinks. They make it easy to navigate large documents, y'know?

walter said...

"the President will call on the Joint Committee to come up with additional deficit reduction necessary to pay for the Act and still meet its deficit target."

Pass this buck...

Scott M said...

What if it is it? It would be one of those, "do you remember what you were doing when..." moments.

denmotherblog said...

Sorry if I'm repeating what someone else already said, but...

Where is the text of the actual bill? Is there an actual bill yet? And if so, how does it propose to pay for what it provides? "Call[ing] on the Joint Committee to come up with additional deficit reduction" yada yada yada doesn't come close to being a legislative appropriation.

This administration really does think we're all idiots.

Roger J. said...

text? text? i dont need no stinkin text (apologies to treasure of the sierra madre)

its time to run this boy in the white house out on a rail--he's a fucking idiot.

Coketown said...

There isn't a text yet because it isn't easy abridging Das Kapital on such short notice. The White House link just goes to the SparkNotes site for now.

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Paddy O said...

Read it?!

We're not supposed to read it.

We're supposed to believe in it.

yashu said...

The White House these days must feel a little like the Overlook Hotel. With Carter & Nixon serving as the bartender & the bathroom attendant.

Roger J. said...

Seems quite clear to me that Mr Obama remains clueless about the economy. This bullshit he is putting forward is only to generate talking points for his campaign for reelection. Mr Obama is simply a sorry piece of shit. The worst president evahhhh--without class, intelligence or decency.

kimsch said...

Extending the "payroll tax holiday" (it's only a discount from the regular amounts) and extending it to the employer as well only reduces the time until the social security and medicare entitlements are out of money.

I wouldn't be surprised if the administration doesn't make any adjustments to the "earned income credit" which is nothing more than a rebate of the payroll taxes paid in for lower income families. This is one way lower income families get refunds on their income taxes that are greater than income taxes withheld.

And the lower income taxpayers get "credit" on their future social security and medicare payments of the amounts withheld, not the actual amounts paid in.

One more example of the United States Government spending the same dollar three times.

wv: persi

Seeing Red said...

So he's once again going after OIL, Corporate Jet Owners & "the rich" who he's been trying to get at for 3 years now and couldn't do it when he had control of Congress?

Calypso Facto said...

thousandaires

Ha! That's going into immediate circulation. Thank you!

AllenS said...

I doubt if anything good happened on obama's watch when he was a community organizer. He has absolutely no clue where money comes from, or how to use it to generate a profit. To him, it's lets get some taxpayer money and spend it.

David said...

AP: In a sharp challenge to the GOP, President Barack Obama proposed paying for his costly new jobs plan Monday with tax hikes that Republicans have already rejected, and he accused them of political motives if they still refuse to go along.

"The only thing that's stopping it is politics," Obama declared.


Of course it's politics. The whole point of the political process is to sort out competing viewpoints. The Republicans were elected to oppose Obama's spending and tax increases, among other things. They will do so. Then Obama will say "the Republicans" did not compromise. Then there will be another election. Which might actually settle a few things. For a while.

Triangle Man said...

Read it.

...and weep.




Too obvious? Don't care.
to;dc

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AprilApple said...

Hoosier Daddy said:
"... Meanwhile, Fox News just showed some Obama henchman in a press conference admitting that taxes would be going up on people making $200,000 or couples making $250,000 in order to pay for it...."

Well no shit. There aren't enough millionaires and billionaires to pay for all the things government wants to spend money on.


Warren Buffet just called. He's thrilled with Obama's plan!

Calypso Facto said...

Bumsurf said...

You inspired me to check recovery.gov for the zip codes I live in: over $20 million spent and ZERO jobs reported.

At least they're honest?

Sharc said...

Hello? "Read it"?

There is no f-ing bill. There is a blog entry that invites us to read the "details" of the bill. There is a 3-page fact sheet "about" said bill. There is a somewhat lengthier "overview" about the bill, as though someone has read it already and is summarizing it for the masses. There is no bill. Is there?

I noted at the time that O's address did not annoyingly say "Pass this bill now." Rather, he annoyingly said "Pass this bill right away." In Clinton-speak, "now" was not operative, so he parsed another phrase. There is no bill for anyone to pass. But I guarantee O will lecture us through November 2012 about how Congress refused to follow his instructions.

There is no bill.

David said...

There is a bill, by the way, with actual text. It will take quite a while to read to see with it actually says.

I suggest not focusing on the tax increases but in the additional bureaucracies and sub agencies created to spend the money. Looks like a compendium of doubtful ideas, coupled with the creation of agencies that will require permeant funding.

LilyBart said...

He says, pass this bill, no playing games, etc.

Well, isn't he the one playing games and politics?

He's saying--do it my way - pass my bill, or risk being seen as a do-nothing, stand in the way congress.

He talks about bi-partisanship and compromise, but he never actually practices it.

Don said...

Purported text of actual bill available at:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/64723281/American-Jobs-Act

Original Mike said...

re: no actual bill to review.

I think this President is resentful that he has to turn in his homework. So he doesn't. (see also: "We don't score speeches.")

Original Mike said...

"...coupled with the creation of agencies that will require permeant funding."

Christ.

Seven Machos said...

April -- You are right, but too narrow. The full reality is that there isn't enough income to tax to pay for all the things government wants to spend money on.

The government has grown beyond the means of the people, and it cannot function at its current size, even with a printing press that allows the creation of money out of thin air.

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garage mahal said...

The Republicans were elected to oppose Obama's spending and tax increases, among other things.

Pretty stupid voters if they thought Obama was raising their taxes. I seem to remember a lot of blather about jobs. Have they even thought about it I wonder?

BJM said...

As the re-election iceberg looms dead ahead, fighting a strong headwind and billowy PR swells; Captain Clueless turns hard to port, calls Full Reverse and steams over his oiler.

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garage mahal said...

The unit known as Garage has a poorly equipped data base.

Ok, so this was highly unfunny the first time. 50 times later, it's still not funny.

Shouting Thomas said...

Section 401(b)(2)of the Budget Control Act of 2011 is amended by striking “$1,500,000,000,000” and inserting“$1,950,000,000,000”.

I like that.

It's sort of like issuing a federal fiat that, henceforth, windmills will produce enough energy to power New York City.

Or else...

Ralph L said...

Unfortunately, the consequences of it passing are too ghastly to imagine.
I think the Repubs should pass all the tax increases he wants (esp. the increases in blue states), but make them expire January 2013. Call his bluff!

Shouting Thomas said...

I'll watch O'Reilly in an hour to see he frames it.

That will be the political key.

Original Mike said...

"Pretty stupid voters if they thought Obama was raising their taxes."

It certainly isn't for lack of trying.

Hoosier Daddy said...

"... Actually it did work as it was intended, and only around 200 billion of it was slated for infrastructure type jobs...."

So it increased unemployment to 9.5% as intended?

Gotcha.

John Smith said...

In a previous life he blamed Jewish bankers and money brokers.

Curious George said...

"garage mahal said...
Actually it did work as it was intended, and only around 200 billion of it was slated for infrastructure type jobs."

I was going to point out that by Obama's promises it did not work, but instead I will just ask again if you are a liar or an idiot.

America's Politico said...

GOP is screwed. There is no room to hide.

POTUS Obama gets re-elected by over 70%.

GOP loses WH, Senate, and House.

mesquito said...

Is the Lady Professor gonna live-blog this debate? I sure as hell ain't gonna watch it, but I might follow along with a live blog.

mesquito said...

Obama's still strong in Minsk, I see.

Cedarford said...

Downloaded the highlights. It is vastly inferior to the Romney Economic Recovery Plan. It is DOA. It does more harm than good and I think there are details even moderate Dems will conclude are absolutely out of the question.

But some comments on this abortion:

Pastafarian had a fine post at 12:11.
And Lilybart was dead on - bill passes and his/her job is lost the next week - they are no longer in an Obama-favored group to find a new job.

I'll add a few things.

1. No employer chip-in for financially troubled Medicare/SS if they raise workers wages??? Great. Let's all raise workers wages to get out of the tax! Just who covers the missing funds? Later generations?

2. Subsidized wages for jobs for "low income" youth and adults? Does that mean no more min wages for "select" Obama constituency groups like "low income" illegals and inner city people with skills problems?

3. 4% mortgages for those who are such credit risks they can't get the 3.26-4.25 mortgage refis now available without more Gov't IOUs to China. (Oh, I forgot...his plan raises taxes on business owners making over 200K a year to pay for any new employees they hire, the payroll taxes they cut, and the refis that low wage people can get.)

4. Much does not go to new jobs, but propping up already hired government union employees in states that refuse to cut back on gov workers they can't afford. Expecting people and leaders in states that did negotiate staffing reductions or union givebacks givebacks to keep California, Philadephia, etc. in the spend on government past your means, business.

***Anyways, it is moot and DOA. The wiser people around Obama know it and are already positioning for his reelection that he had all these great ideas to create jobs and keep hero government employees like teachers, firefighters, and cops in total job security..but for those Evil Republicans!!***

(Not a thing about looking at jobs-killing regulations it costs nothing to get rid of or addressing China's currency manipulation)

Hoosier Daddy said...

Every time Obama pushes a proposal I can't help but recall what my granddad would sometimes say.

Everything he touched turns to shit.

Ignorance is Bliss said...

I read a little of the bill that others have linked:

a) INCREASED TARGET FOR JOINT SELECT COMMITTEE.— Section 401(b)(2)of the Budget Control Act of 2011 is amended by striking “$1,500,000,000,000” and inserting“$1,950,000,000,000”.(b) TRIGGER FOR JOINT SELECT COMMITTEE . – Section 302 of the BudgetControl Act of 2011 is amended by redesignating subsection (b) as subsection (c) and byinserting after subsection (a) the following new subsection:“(b) TRIGGER.— If a joint committee bill achieving an amount greater than“$1,650,000,000,000” in deficit reduction as provided in section 401(b)(3)(B)(i)(II) of this Act is enacted by January 15, 2012, then the amendments to the Internal RevenueCode of 1986 made by subtitles A through E of title IV of the American Jobs Act of 2011, shall not be in effect for any taxable year.

Obama is upping the committee's goal from 1.5t to 1.95t. But he is not upping the trigger for automatic across the board cuts above 1.2t. Instead, he is inserting a new trigger at 1.65t. If the 1.65t target is met, then the tax increases included in his bill ( corp jets, oil and gas, etc ) do not go into effect.

So he's amending the Budget Control Act to stack the default action in the Democrat's favor.

SukieTawdry said...

Actually it did work as it was intended, and only around 200 billion of it was slated for infrastructure type jobs.

No it didn't. How many times did they have to move the goal posts to make "as intended" work? Why did they have to invent the term "saved jobs?" Why...wait a minute.

Maybe you meant it worked as intended because it paid off Democratic constituencies, provided funds to keep unionized, dues-paying public sector workers employed and transferred wealth from the producers to the non-producers. In that case, you'd be absolutely right.

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Cedarford said...

It is the prospect of 4 more years of this shit that makes it imperative that Republicans do not field a far-right candidate that will lose, lose with ideological purity honored and the hushpuppy munchers rooting them as the ticket goes down in flames - but "Send a Message!!" a la Goldwater or Sharron Angle.

We know how much LBJ and Harry Reid heeded the "Message Sent to them and DC".

Clyde said...

@ America's Politico

So, how does Weprin do tomorrow in New York?

"There are no Republican tanks in Baghdad!"

Robin said...

garage, claiming that the ARRA stimulus "worked as intended" is really about par for your brazen misrepresentations here.

The White House predicted the unemployment rates "with" and "without" the stimulus. The actual unemployment rates exceeded the "without" prediction. So by definition, the stimulus bill did not work as intended by the Obama administration's own standards.

But you just keep putting out the fraudulent talking points.

Don't Tread 2012 said...

Democrat congress has 99% approval rating.

In addition, their balanced budget makes the GOP offering look lame in comparison.

Democrats are the real tax-cutters in Washington.

:) It's fun pretending I'm the mongoloid known as 'America's Politico'.

Gary Petersen said...

The full text of the bill proposed by President Obama is here:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/09/12/message-president-congress-sectional-analysis-and-text-american-jobs-act

Marina said...

Obama is doing his best for the people and for the economy to boost up back on. It is not easy to rebuild something after it was completely destroyed before he became a president.

http://www.howtogetyourexbackmym3.com

blake said...

It's even harder when you want to keep doing the things that destroyed it in the first place.

Seven Machos said...

Obama is doing his best for the people and for the economy to boost up back on. It is not easy to rebuild something after it was completely destroyed before he became a president.

Still trying to run against Bush! In 2011. Hilarious! Shrill and stupid, but hilarious.